Off-season WR possibilities

[Reerun_KC]

Seeing a lot of teams with sub .500 records with WRs that need to get with Mahomes.

Who is available and who would you like to see us pursue to go with Rice and Watson.

[Special_K]

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

Top Trade Candidates
-Adams
-Cooper
-Ayiuk
-Higgins
-Pickens

Top FA Targets
-Evans
-Pittman
-Lockett?
-Ridley
-Brown

Top mid 1st to late 2nd RD Draft Targets
-Coleman
-Legette
-Egbuka
-Worthy
-Franklyn
-Wilson
-Mitchell
-Thomas
-Polk
-Corley

^If you let Jones & Sneed go (also assuming MVS) you have like $65m to spend, if you keep one or both you're probably more likely to go 1st RD WR.

Of those WRs in the draft who will possibly be there for us, Mitchell, Franklin, or Keon Coleman are the big outside threats that can stretch the field that I'd love to see us take.

Sign Lockett as a FA. He's 31 years old but elite speed has never been his hallmark. He's a outstanding route runner, sure-handed, and is creative when the play breaks down (see him and Wilson for years) and those are all things this WR room desperately has been lacking.

Add Higgins or Aiyuk, move Rice inside to the slot for a majority of the snaps, and this WR room will do a complete 180.

I've also seen projections that have us taking Ben Sinnott from Kansas State later in the draft. He's a swiss army knife type player that is similar to Kyle Juszczyk, but we need a multi-faceted fullback/TE on this roster and he would help replace some of Kelce's production assuming he retires/starts phasing out.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by Special_K

Of those WRs in the draft who will possibly be there for us, Mitchell, Franklin, or Keon Coleman are the big outside threats that can stretch the field that I'd love to see us take.

Sign Lockett as a FA. He's 31 years old but elite speed has never been his hallmark. He's a outstanding route runner, sure-handed, and is creative when the play breaks down (see him and Wilson for years) and those are all things this WR room desperately has been lacking.

Add Higgins or Aiyuk, move Rice inside to the slot for a majority of the snaps, and this WR room will do a complete 180.

I've also seen projections that have us taking Ben Sinnott from Kansas State later in the draft. He's a swiss army knife type player that is similar to Kyle Juszczyk, but we need a multi-faceted fullback/TE on this roster and he would help replace some of Kelce's production assuming he retires/starts phasing out.

Tyler Lockett is exactly the kind of guy they need. Very good route-running, very good hands, very smart player. Not sure the Chiefs can afford Lockett himself, but it would be awesome if they could find someone pretty similar to him.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by DRM08

All I know is Lamar is getting the exact same cash (actually more cash) than Mahomes over the same time period, and Baltimore has figured out a way to build a better team around him.

How about not wasting $20M per year on the most penalized offensive lineman in the entire league? Taylor ain't that great at pass protection or run-blocking, even if you want to ignore the penalty problems.

How about not wasting $10-11M per year on MVS when the Packers & Rodgers wanted to get rid of the guy? The KC front office has had some poor evaluations.

That’s part of it but then look at buffalo and LAC. Any day we want to we can play games we can backload contracts and push the $ obligation out. We chose not to do this. I don’t think we did it because we’re cheap - yes it’s a financial obligation for clark who’s making bank off of the chiefs success, but if this was the issue they wouldn’t have structured mahomes’ contract to provide cap relief any time they want to. They haven’t done it yet because they didn’t want to. They are trying to keep a long term team together.

And I just don’t get it. The window is the widest open it’s ever been and we can’t take for granted for a second every second we have with kelce, to some extent Reid, and even to some extent mahomes. We can afford to be a little worse later if it builds our championship pedigree today.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

Top Trade Candidates
-Adams 31 years old
-Cooper 29 years old
-Higgins 24 years old
-Pickens 22 years old

Top FA Targets
-Evans 30 years old
-Pittman 26 years old
-Lockett 31 years old
-Ridley 29 years old
-Brown 27 years old

Top mid 1st to late 2nd RD Draft Targets
-Coleman
-Legette
-Egbuka
-Worthy
-Franklyn
-Wilson
-Mitchell
-Thomas
-Polk
-Corley

^If you let Jones & Sneed go (also assuming MVS) you have like $65m to spend, if you keep one or both you're probably more likely to go 1st RD WR.

Several of those guys are likely too old.
Pickens is a head case that only has 3 routes that he can run.
Higgins is likely going to get a huge bag. He is a UFA by the way. He is on the wrong list in your post.
Pittman is also likely to get a huge bag.
There is still a lot to learn about all of these college WRs.

[MarkDavis'Haircut]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

I think Veach and Reid got high on their own supply.

Both undervalue the WR position and they thought they could moneyball it even further.

They add DHop at 10-12 cap hit this year and one more viable NFL WR this team walks to the AFC Championship at Arrowhead for 6th straight year.

Well, yeah. That is the token NFL argument. That elite QBs can elevate any weapons.

It is more theory than fact.

[OKchiefs]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Several of those guys are likely too old.
Pickens is a head case that only has 3 routes that he can run.
Higgins is likely going to get a huge bag. He is a UFA by the way. He is on the wrong list in your post.
Pittman is also likely to get a huge bag.
There is still a lot to learn about all of these college WRs.

At this point, who cares how old they are. People will bring up Veach's track record of not signing older FAs. Well, he's ****ed up the WR room so badly that he really needs to do some soul searching and take a look at how he goes about certain things. If the short term answer is signing a 30/31 year old to a 2-3 year deal which will take some pressure off of Rice and a 1st/2nd rd pick at WR to be the answer right away then so be it.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by OKchiefs

At this point, who cares how old they are. People will bring up Veach's track record of not signing older FAs. Well, he's ****ed up the WR room so badly that he really needs to do some soul searching and take a look at how he goes about certain things. If the short term answer is signing a 30/31 year old to a 2-3 year deal which will take some pressure off of Rice and a 1st/2nd rd pick at WR to be the answer right away then so be it.

Yeah more over dramatic reaction. Everything is all his fault when he was the savior of all things Chiefs just a season ago. MORONS.

[JPH83]

I think Pittman costs too much and it'll be multi years, I'd like him given how well he's done in a pretty chappy situation . Higgins the same and I'm less convinced he's a top guy for another team without a no.1. Evans is old but someone will pay him more than we can, and he'll take it given he has a ring.

I like Boyd but he's a slot guy and you have to think we'll prioritise an outside guy first. Ridley I'm not massive on and I think we'd overpay. Marquise Brown is a bit of an undersized outsized guy but he's quick and dependable. I'd imagine we'd try one of those after being priced out of others.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by MarkDavis'Haircut

Well, yeah. That is the token NFL argument. That elite QBs can elevate any weapons.

It is more theory than fact.

Well, last year we had one elite weapon and 1 decent NFL WR that could get open and run routes, get open and catch the ball.

This year the plan was to remove the 1 decent WR and then not replace him with anyone who knew what they were doing.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by OKchiefs

At this point, who cares how old they are. People will bring up Veach's track record of not signing older FAs. Well, he's ****ed up the WR room so badly that he really needs to do some soul searching and take a look at how he goes about certain things. If the short term answer is signing a 30/31 year old to a 2-3 year deal which will take some pressure off of Rice and a 1st/2nd rd pick at WR to be the answer right away then so be it.

I wouldn't be surprised if weapons are now forever prioritised by Veach alongside the OL. Same as he'll never go for a RB in R1 again. You mess up, you correct. I DO think there's some soul searching with regards to the scheme and how players have been evaluated, integrated and prepared. I'm annoyed because I've fairly consistently wanted weapons re-loaded and prioritised, but let's see how the offseason goes. Hopefully Mahomes can come out of it unaffected and return to his level too, because the Raiders game he clearly lost his poise completely.

[OKchiefs]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Yeah more over dramatic reaction. Everything is all his fault when he was the savior of all things Chiefs just a season ago. MORONS.

I’m not talking about anything else but the WR position. Yes, he completely screwed the pooch there, zero question.

[Jerm]

Originally Posted by JPH83

I wouldn't be surprised if weapons are now forever prioritised by Veach alongside the OL. Same as he'll never go for a RB in R1 again. You mess up, you correct. I DO think there's some soul searching with regards to the scheme and how players have been evaluated, integrated and prepared. I'm annoyed because I've fairly consistently wanted weapons re-loaded and prioritised, but let's see how the offseason goes. Hopefully Mahomes can come out of it unaffected and return to his level too, because the Raiders game he clearly lost his poise completely.

Makes you wonder why he decided to pivot in the first place...you had years of proof that building a high powered offense and living with a mid defense worked.

Not to mention it's 2023....defense doesn't win, QB play and weapons are what win.

Just mind numbing...

[Dunerdr]

Originally Posted by Jerm

Makes you wonder why he decided to pivot in the first place...you had years of proof that building a high powered offense and living with a mid defense worked.

Not to mention it's 2023....defense doesn't win, QB play and weapons are what win.

Just mind numbing...

I would assume it wasn't a planned pivot. They trusted their scouts and coaching staff with Moore and Toney. They did not account for MVS falling off and Kelce taking a step back. Had either Moore or Toney been 85% of Juju or just the collective unit been able to each pick up his slack with an extra 100-150 yards each over the season we may be undefeated.

[Jerm]

Originally Posted by Dunerdr

I would assume it wasn't a planned pivot. They trusted their scouts and coaching staff with Moore and Toney. They did not account for MVS falling off and Kelce taking a step back. Had either Moore or Toney been 85% of Juju or just the collective unit been able to each pick up his slack with an extra 100-150 yards each over the season we may be undefeated.

The pivot came the second they traded Tyreek...

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Dunerdr

I would assume it wasn't a planned pivot. They trusted their scouts and coaching staff with Moore and Toney. They did not account for MVS falling off and Kelce taking a step back. Had either Moore or Toney been 85% of Juju or just the collective unit been able to each pick up his slack with an extra 100-150 yards each over the season we may be undefeated.

This is on Veach and Reid.

You don't trust a repeat SB win to children. It's fine to dream your picks hit but you need to have real NFL WR's on your roster that can perform and they didn't bother.

Took the $$$ away from a weak group and used it to buy more defensive depth with no #1 or #2 WR on the roster.