Who the heck is this guy? Patrick Mahomes the 6th best QB in the league?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by stumppy

They never learn. I've noticed a lot of the talk in sports media this off-season speaks as if the Chiefs' Dynasty is over. Not much discussion about how or why, they just assume it's over. The fools will never learn.

You know what's funny? And honestly, it's something I didn't really notice until stacking up the roster after the draft.

This team is probably better EVERYWHERE than it was last season.

The only argument is at S where Hicks may not duplicate what Reid gave us, though Edwards as a true FS can help a bit there and honestly even Connor, if moved back to S, can play. You could argue DT if you put any stock in the loss of Nnadi (I don't) or presume Jones will drop off (I think that happened LAST season and will actually stabilize a bit this season). Even if you believe both those things, the addition of ONL will help a fair bit and any fat body in the world can replace Nnadi.

And maybe you could argue the OL as an aggregate through the loss of Thuney at LG but the addition of Moore (and potentially Simmons) at the LT position should easily cover for that by simply getting credible play at a more important position.

WR -- better (for now; added Royals, lost nothing, room should be healthy/more experienced -- gotta avoid injury and ill-timed suspension)

RB -- MUCH better (Pacheco more healthy, addition of Mitchell and Smith)

TE -- Maybe even? Arguably better -- Kelce will not come back that out of shape. He didn't return to go out and mail it in, IMO. There's more money to be made for him outside of football. His pride won't allow what happened last year to happen again.

DEs -- Better (healthy Omenihu and Danna , addition of Gallette; lost nothing)

LBs -- better (lost nothing; added Bassa -- Chenal a year more experienced)

CBs -- better (Watson back, addition of Williams and Fulton)

This team is better than last year. This team might be a LOT better than last year. Injury is the only thing that I can see really preventing that and my word, can the injuries POSSIBLY be worse than last season?

Think whatever you want, talking heads. This is a far improved football team to last season's squad.

And last year's....wasn't too bad.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You know what's funny? And honestly, it's something I didn't really notice until stacking up the roster after the draft.

This team is probably better EVERYWHERE than it was last season.

The only argument is at S where Hicks may not duplicate what Reid gave us, though Edwards as a true FS can help a bit there and honestly even Connor, if moved back to S, can play. You could argue DT if you put any stock in the loss of Nnadi (I don't) or presume Jones will drop off (I think that happened LAST season and will actually stabilize a bit this season). Even if you believe both those things, the addition of ONL will help a fair bit and any fat body in the world can replace Nnadi.

And maybe you could argue the OL as an aggregate through the loss of Thuney at LG but the addition of Moore (and potentially Simmons) at the LT position should easily cover for that by simply getting credible play at a more important position.

WR -- better (for now; added Royals, lost nothing, room should be healthy/more experienced -- gotta avoid injury and ill-timed suspension)

RB -- MUCH better (Pacheco more healthy, addition of Mitchell and Smith)

TE -- Maybe even? Arguably better -- Kelce will not come back that out of shape. He didn't return to go out and mail it in, IMO. There's more money to be made for him outside of football. His pride won't allow what happened last year to happen again.

DEs -- Better (healthy Omenihu and Danna , addition of Gallette; lost nothing)

LBs -- better (lost nothing; added Bassa -- Chenal a year more experienced)

CBs -- better (Watson back, addition of Williams and Fulton)

This team is better than last year. This team might be a LOT better than last year. Injury is the only thing that I can see really preventing that and my word, can the injuries POSSIBLY be worse than last season?

Think whatever you want, talking heads. This is a far improved football team to last season's squad.

And last year's....wasn't too bad.

Yeah, I think the Chiefs’ improvements are flying under the casual fan/analysts’ radar.

Joe Thuney is a big loss and they won’t be better at LG over Thuney… but they WILL be better at LG than Caliendo. And better at LT than anything they got last year.

Say they’re average at LG and LT, rather than really bad at LT and elite at LG. OL as a whole is going to be better.

They will be better at WR. I think they actually may be better at S (Conner can be effective in the box role, Hicks is a better pass defender than Reid). Big improvements at CB (especially in the slot). Legit option at WLB/covering TEs (may take some time to come along for Bassa, but he’s bright and was the signal caller for Oregon’s defense, which is not vanilla). More explosion in the room at RB.

People are overlooking how much injuries (WRs, Jaylen Watson) affected KC last year. And that’s fine.

Going to make the redemption run that much better.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Yeah, I think the Chiefs’ improvements are flying under the casual fan/analysts’ radar.

Joe Thuney is a big loss and they won’t be better at LG over Thuney… but they WILL be better at LG than Caliendo. And better at LT than anything they got last year.

Say they’re average at LG and LT, rather than really bad at LT and elite at LG. OL as a whole is going to be better.

They will be better at WR. I think they actually may be better at S (Conner can be effective in the box role, Hicks is a better pass defender than Reid). Big improvements at CB (especially in the slot). Legit option at WLB/covering TEs (may take some time to come along for Bassa, but he’s bright and was the signal caller for Oregon’s defense, which is not vanilla). More explosion in the room at RB.

People are overlooking how much injuries (WRs, Jaylen Watson) affected KC last year. And that’s fine.

Going to make the redemption run that much better.

I am with you but with the caveat that we don't know for sure that LG will be better than Caliendo. I think it will be but Kingsley has much to prove.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by Lzen

I am with you but with the caveat that we don't know for sure that LG will be better than Caliendo. I think it will be but Kingsley has much to prove.

This is where I'm at also. Last year going into the season I had great concerns about the left tackle position. That proved to do us in. This season I'm concerned with not only left tackle, but left guard, admittedly though there's more in play this season in case something goes wrong. (Veach did a great job there, imo) But man, as good as the Chiefs are, if the OL problems persist, it won't matter.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You know what's funny? And honestly, it's something I didn't really notice until stacking up the roster after the draft.

This team is probably better EVERYWHERE than it was last season.

The only argument is at S where Hicks may not duplicate what Reid gave us, though Edwards as a true FS can help a bit there and honestly even Connor, if moved back to S, can play. You could argue DT if you put any stock in the loss of Nnadi (I don't) or presume Jones will drop off (I think that happened LAST season and will actually stabilize a bit this season). Even if you believe both those things, the addition of ONL will help a fair bit and any fat body in the world can replace Nnadi.

And maybe you could argue the OL as an aggregate through the loss of Thuney at LG but the addition of Moore (and potentially Simmons) at the LT position should easily cover for that by simply getting credible play at a more important position.

WR -- better (for now; added Royals, lost nothing, room should be healthy/more experienced -- gotta avoid injury and ill-timed suspension)

RB -- MUCH better (Pacheco more healthy, addition of Mitchell and Smith)

TE -- Maybe even? Arguably better -- Kelce will not come back that out of shape. He didn't return to go out and mail it in, IMO. There's more money to be made for him outside of football. His pride won't allow what happened last year to happen again.

DEs -- Better (healthy Omenihu and Danna , addition of Gallette; lost nothing)

LBs -- better (lost nothing; added Bassa -- Chenal a year more experienced)

CBs -- better (Watson back, addition of Williams and Fulton)

This team is better than last year. This team might be a LOT better than last year. Injury is the only thing that I can see really preventing that and my word, can the injuries POSSIBLY be worse than last season?

Think whatever you want, talking heads. This is a far improved football team to last season's squad.

And last year's....wasn't too bad.

Well said, though I think you under value Nnadi. After the SB and looking back at everything, I came to the conclusion that this team, with all of the injuries and condition it was in by the end of the season, should not have gotten very far in the playoffs. I would argue that Mahomes is so good that he was able to carry the team much further than should have been possible.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Lzen

Well said, though I think you under value Nnadi. After the SB and looking back at everything, I came to the conclusion that this team, with all of the injuries and condition it was in by the end of the season, should not have gotten very far in the playoffs. I would argue that Mahomes is so good that he was able to carry the team much further than should have been possible.

Nnadi has been a league minimum player for 3 straight years.

He wasn't technically PAID the league minimum the last 2 years, but because we got him with the VSB, he was a league minimum cap charge for us.

No team, in three seasons, has been willing to pay him more than the absolute minimum for a player with his amount of experience.

I'm not sure where that puts him in relation to where I value him, but it sure seems to say that the league doesn't value him very much.

And they shouldn't. Because he's not good at football. At all.

[Gary Cooper]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You know what's funny? And honestly, it's something I didn't really notice until stacking up the roster after the draft.

This team is probably better EVERYWHERE than it was last season.

The only argument is at S where Hicks may not duplicate what Reid gave us, though Edwards as a true FS can help a bit there and honestly even Connor, if moved back to S, can play. You could argue DT if you put any stock in the loss of Nnadi (I don't) or presume Jones will drop off (I think that happened LAST season and will actually stabilize a bit this season). Even if you believe both those things, the addition of ONL will help a fair bit and any fat body in the world can replace Nnadi.

And maybe you could argue the OL as an aggregate through the loss of Thuney at LG but the addition of Moore (and potentially Simmons) at the LT position should easily cover for that by simply getting credible play at a more important position.

WR -- better (for now; added Royals, lost nothing, room should be healthy/more experienced -- gotta avoid injury and ill-timed suspension)

RB -- MUCH better (Pacheco more healthy, addition of Mitchell and Smith)

TE -- Maybe even? Arguably better -- Kelce will not come back that out of shape. He didn't return to go out and mail it in, IMO. There's more money to be made for him outside of football. His pride won't allow what happened last year to happen again.

DEs -- Better (healthy Omenihu and Danna , addition of Gallette; lost nothing)

LBs -- better (lost nothing; added Bassa -- Chenal a year more experienced)

CBs -- better (Watson back, addition of Williams and Fulton)

This team is better than last year. This team might be a LOT better than last year. Injury is the only thing that I can see really preventing that and my word, can the injuries POSSIBLY be worse than last season?

Think whatever you want, talking heads. This is a far improved football team to last season's squad.

And last year's....wasn't too bad.

This is true but we don't play in a vacuum. Have the Eagles also improved? Although it's a different Conference, they might be our biggest competitors right now. Baltimore/Buffalo probably got better too but they were already behind the Chiefs.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Gary Cooper

This is true but we don't play in a vacuum. Have the Eagles also improved? Although it's a different Conference, they might be our biggest competitors right now. Baltimore/Buffalo probably got better too but they were already behind the Chiefs.

The Eagles lost Williams, Sweat, Becton and Slay. Even losing Isaiah Rodgers is a blow for them.

I'd say they held serve, for the most part. At best.

No, I don't think the Eagles improved.

[Gary Cooper]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The Eagles lost Williams, Sweat, Becton and Slay. Even losing Isaiah Rodgers is a blow for them.

I'd say they held serve, for the most part. At best.

No, I don't think the Eagles improved.

Didn't the Eagles have a successful draft by all accounts? Obviously the games haven't been played yet but it appears they did fairly well on their picks.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Gary Cooper

Didn't the Eagles have a successful draft by all accounts? Obviously the games haven't been played yet but it appears they did fairly well on their picks.

The Eagles ALWAYS have successful draft according to the draft guys because they just sit back and pick the guy at the top of the consensus boards.

But ultimately I think they got Campbell to replace Sweat (good pick) and then....eh. I think Mukuba is fine. Then it's just a bunch of 3rd day flyers who I don't like any better than the guys we got. I think Cameron Williams was a heck of a pick that late but it also appears that I'm wrong -- he wasn't even the first OT they took in the 6th round.

No -- their draft didn't move the need for me much. They're just getting jerked off for taking Campbell at 31 when draftheads thought he'd go top 15. They do that every season with the highest rated Alabama or Georgia defender on the consensus big boards. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it don't.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by Gary Cooper

Didn't the Eagles have a successful draft by all accounts? Obviously the games haven't been played yet but it appears they did fairly well on their picks.

They did. They, like the Ravens, always seem to draft well.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The Eagles lost Williams, Sweat, Becton and Slay. Even losing Isaiah Rodgers is a blow for them.

I'd say they held serve, for the most part. At best.

No, I don't think the Eagles improved.

Don't forget that Dean ruptured his patellar tendon pretty late in the year, so the odds he is available this year at all are tiny-tiny, and the odds he even comes back the same are not great...

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

This team is better than last year. This team might be a LOT better than last year. Injury is the only thing that I can see really preventing that and my word, can the injuries POSSIBLY be worse than last season?

It’s amazing that people don’t ask these naysayers a simple question. Is Andy, Mahomes, Spags and Veach still there? Bc those guys are all top 3 at what they do, at worst.

There isn’t a better staff in the league and last year continued to prove it. Chiefs had the worst LT situation by far and 3 of their 4 top young weapons were out 90% of the season.

This team had Justin Watson as WR1 for a month before acquiring Hopkins. They had a slow undrafted RB start a game for them, a RB literally off the couch start for them, lost Watson, only had 21 sacks in their first 11 games bc Omenihu and Danna were hurt.

This staff improvised and made all of that work with their starters going 17-1 leading up to the SB. How many staffs can do that?

And now the personnel staff gets multiple LT’s, multiple pass rushers, multiple RB’s with elite explosion, multiple outside corners, another nice WR prospect and more depth.

I don’t give a shit what Denver or LAC or the Bills or anyone else did. The Chiefs are one of the most improved teams. I’m not picking anyone over them to go back to the SB.

[siberian khatru]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Injury is the only thing that I can see really preventing that and my word, can the injuries POSSIBLY be worse than last season?

Well, actually, yes they can ... in a very specific way that we won't talk about.

But if that happens, we'll likely have a decently high draft slot in 2026.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by siberian khatru

Well, actually, yes they can ... in a very specific way that we won't talk about.

But if that happens, we'll likely have a decently high draft slot in 2026.

"We don't practice '****ed'"

Just an all-time quote.