Off-season WR possibilities

[Reerun_KC]

Seeing a lot of teams with sub .500 records with WRs that need to get with Mahomes.

Who is available and who would you like to see us pursue to go with Rice and Watson.

[Dunerdr]

Originally Posted by Jerm

The pivot came the second they traded Tyreek...

They won a superbowl post Pivot. Kind of shits on your argument. But you can stay mad about Tyreek if you so choose. They proved that Kelce, one above average guy, a solid deep threat and a room full of Jags can win with Mahomes at the helm. They took the safer bet. If Tyreek gets an injury and you lose one guy, you now have JAGS a middling defense and are up shits creek. They spread the wealth and investments. And its not like the just didnt try to sign Tyreek he just pushed them past where they were comfortable with. Can you pay that? sure. But you may quickly end up like the rams a few years ago with all your money in a few guys and in cap hell with no picks to boot when one falls off. They took the New England approach, the only one to have won multiple super bowls with a qb on a big contract in the modern era. And I for one dont blame them.

[Jerm]

Originally Posted by Dunerdr

They won a superbowl post Pivot. Kind of shits on your argument. But you can stay mad about Tyreek if you so choose. They proved that Kelce, one above average guy, a solid deep threat and a room full of Jags can win with Mahomes at the helm. They took the safer bet. If Tyreek gets an injury and you lose one guy, you now have JAGS a middling defense and are up shits creek. They spread the wealth and investments. And its not like the just didnt try to sign Tyreek he just pushed them past where they were comfortable with. Can you pay that? sure. But you may quickly end up like the rams a few years ago with all your money in a few guys and in cap hell with no picks to boot when one falls off. They took the New England approach, the only one to have won multiple super bowls with a qb on a big contract in the modern era. And I for one dont blame them.

I'm so sick of the Super Bowl argument...it doesn't "shit on my argument"...it was a tremendous accomplishment, yes. If it was proof of anything, you'd see it this year and this year proves that wasn't the right move.

Should the Ravens have kept Trent Dilfer and made him the face of their franchise since he was the QB of the Super Bowl winners? Apparently so...don't talk about all the other factors that went into that SB, that means that works.

I think a lot of Chiefs fans need to come to grips that last year was a heist...and I don't even mean that in a negative way but if we're all being honest, that wasn't our Super Bowl to win. We stole one like the Rams stole the Super Bowl in 21/22 when the Chiefs were clearly the best team.

I'm not bitching about Tyreek...I was making the point that when you trade that guy, you're clearly pivoting away from an offensive powerhouse of a team WHICH THEY DID.

How's this year working out for that? You don't think it'd be any different next year if they neglect the offense again?

[Dunerdr]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

This is on Veach and Reid.

You don't trust a repeat SB win to children. It's fine to dream your picks hit but you need to have real NFL WR's on your roster that can perform and they didn't bother.

Took the $$$ away from a weak group and used it to buy more defensive depth with no #1 or #2 WR on the roster.

Their gamble probably doesnt look as bad if MVS is what he was last year. It should have been a room with MVS, James and Watson leading Rice in his first year, Toney and Moore (who were both better last year). After the superbowl I would have told you i'm fine with that. Not happy but fine. I would have guessed James and Moore combined would have filled what Juju left behind. Things you cant account for happened. James got hurt, MVS decided to stop having any ****ing football IQ and neither a first or second round pick developed at all in their second and third off seasons. Everyone is pissed, I get it, but its not like they just said **** it we wont have receivers at all or something.

[Jerm]

And if last year disproves what I said than EVERYONE is wrong about MVS because based on last year, he's a decent to pretty good WR...

ANYONE willing to go out on that ****ing limb???

Yeah didn't think so...

[tyton75]

I'm taking the perspective of; we just need guys who are able to get open and run a good route. Not that speed isn't important, but not every guy needs to be able to break it for the house.

Still pissed we didn't bring in a guy like Amari Cooper; but not sure if he was over our head financially.

[ptlyon]

Originally Posted by Jerm

And if last year disproves what I said than EVERYONE is wrong about MVS because based on last year, he's a decent to pretty good WR...

ANYONE willing to go out on that ****ing limb???

Yeah didn't think so...

You can't have everything. Where would you put it.

[Jerm]

Originally Posted by ptlyon

You can't have everything. Where would you put it.

Put what? The money and resources? The QB and weapons...

[ptlyon]

Originally Posted by Jerm

Put what? The money and resources? The QB and weapons...

You can't pay your QB and your WR 500 million dollars. That's not how this works. That's not how any of this stuff works.

[Jerm]

Originally Posted by ptlyon

You can't pay your QB and your WR 500 million dollars. That's not how this works. That's not how any of this stuff works.

So basically unless we hit in the draft on a very high end guy, we'll never have elite weapons? That it basically? Ok well I hope you enjoy years like this one.

Still can find the $$ to give a turnstile at RT 20 mil. per season and a completely mid safety 3 years 31.5 mil....but I agree, penny pinch at one the most important positions.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Dunerdr

Their gamble probably doesnt look as bad if MVS is what he was last year. It should have been a room with MVS, James and Watson leading Rice in his first year, Toney and Moore (who were both better last year). After the superbowl I would have told you i'm fine with that. Not happy but fine. I would have guessed James and Moore combined would have filled what Juju left behind. Things you cant account for happened. James got hurt, MVS decided to stop having any ****ing football IQ and neither a first or second round pick developed at all in their second and third off seasons. Everyone is pissed, I get it, but its not like they just said **** it we wont have receivers at all or something.

None of them are #1 or #2 WR's.

Why would you take away your #1WR from a WEAK WR room and not replace them?

MVS was a high priced decoy. That's all he was and at best a #3 in Green Bay when they had a Davante.

James has done almost nothing in he NFL but was a cheap flier.

Skyy Moore did nothing and had no traits or things you could even hope on.

Why would you treat this worse than teams that are REBUILDING when we are supposed to be competing for Super Bowls?

Imagine telling people about how Mahomes led his team to 5 straight AFC Championships in his first 5 years and why it didn't happen year 6 someday.

Oh, our GM and coach wanted to develop a low talent draft pick to see what would happen.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by ptlyon

You can't pay your QB and your WR 500 million dollars. That's not how this works. That's not how any of this stuff works.

Look at the Ravens.

Now explain why their high paid QB is allowed to have weapon after weapon after weapon and our QB cannot get even basic dudes who can play in the NFL.


Or how their 4th or 5th WR in Duvernay who normally does not play is BETTER than our highest paid WR?

[Chargem]

I only realized today how the silver lining to all this is no one is suggesting the Chiefs sign Derrick Henry or Saquon Barkley. We may not even get a thread about how we should get Kareem Hunt back this offseason. Imagine that.

[Chargem]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Look at the Ravens.

Now explain why their high paid QB is allowed to have weapon after weapon after weapon and our QB cannot get even basic dudes who can play in the NFL.


Or how their 4th or 5th WR in Duvernay who normally does not play is BETTER than our highest paid WR?

Interesting to compare the Chiefs to the Ravens. I would say the Ravens drafted better than the Chiefs for the last 5 years, but were not coached as well. The Ravens have also got to pick consistently higher than the Chiefs in each of the last 5 drafts, including picking 14 overall in 2022.

But the Ravens got zero superbowls out of Lamars rookie deal and are now in the first year of a mega deal for him, going into year 2 of his deal next year they have limited cap space and are paying 20m in total to 5 players to not be on the team (including 11m cap hit for OBJ in 2024 and further cap hits all the way out to 2027!).

Any team including the Chiefs could pack in a high risk signing with cap implications stretching out multiple years after the player is no longer undercontract, but I am pretty glad the Chiefs have not done that. Lamar's window could already be closing if they stumble this year, based on the decisions they have made.

I think this angst about "our QB is not allowed to have weapons!" is only justified if the Chiefs don't do much to address the receiver positions this offseason.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by OKchiefs

I’m not talking about anything else but the WR position. Yes, he completely screwed the pooch there, zero question.

See you are forgetting that there is more than just the WR position that has put us in our current situation.
Did he believe in Chris Jones and his ability to get the contract extension done? I believe that is most of the problem.
When you are always pushing the top of the cap you are going to have to work things out with big $$$$ contract situations ahead of time. Jones screwed that situation up big time.
So the only blame he bears is that he believed that Jones would be extended because of what Jones had/has consistently said.

[Chief Roundup]

We need to sign the correct type of WR for this Andy Reid west coast offense. Do not get caught up in the stats a WR has put up in a different type of offense.