***OFFICIAL Arizona v KU Thread***

[cmh6476]

PBJ


so if the hawks win, they play at 3:30 tomorrow, and if they lose they play at 8:30? :shrug:

[ROYC75]

Not expecting anything from this but a chance to watch the game, that's all.

[cmh6476]

Not expecting anything from this but a chance to watch the game, that's all.

and to get a chance to see these guys against some stiffer competition :thumb:

[AeroSquid]

i'm going to post in the un-offical thread... this one weirds me out.

[leviw]

I honestly have no idea what to expect here. As long as the Hawks don't lose because they're cramping up, I'll be happy.

[ChiefsFire]

be a good test for the boys...want to at least see them play well

if they win,icing on the cake

[cmh6476]

so who's skipping the MNF game to watch the hawks? :shrug:

I have to work late, so I'm taping the KU game so I can evaluate the whole thing for myself.

Could really give a rat's ass about gb and minny...

[ROYC75]

I might flip back and forth during commercials, But KU rules the tube, you hear me ?

[chiefqueen]

PBJ


so if the hawks win, they play at 3:30 tomorrow, and if they lose they play at 8:30? :shrug:

That's backwards if they win they play @ 8:30 tomorro night. Also, if they lose the game will only be on ESPNU (meaning most won't get to see it).

[cmh6476]

That's backwards if they win they play @ 8:30 tomorro night. Also, if they lose the game will only be on ESPNU (meaning most won't get to see it).
well now i do care if they win or lose :mad:

[Lzen]

I will defintely watch the KU game. I really don't pay much attention to other games when the Chiefs aren't playing. I might flip over once in awhile just to catch a snippet of the MNF game only to discuss the next day with coworkers.

[Lzen]

That's backwards if they win they play @ 8:30 tomorro night. Also, if they lose the game will only be on ESPNU (meaning most won't get to see it).

Well that is stupid. WTH don't they show that on ESPN2? Or do they have more important things to show, like poker? :rolleyes:

[Spicy McHaggis]

I'm not expecting the Hawks to win this game. I really just want them to play well and for the youngsters to see how hard they'll have to work if they want to beat the best teams in college basketball. This team will be better off in the long run for it. Come tournament time KU could be a force to be reckoned with.

[jAZ]

SIG bet anyone?

I offered once before and people seemed to be unwilling to take the bet. Anyone willing today?

[jAZ]

Well that is stupid. WTH don't they show that on ESPN2? Or do they have more important things to show, like poker? :rolleyes:
They are trying to sell a new network to cable companies. It's their first step on the path toward the dream that is "The Ocho".

[Skip Towne]

It's on ESPN (206 on Directv) at 8 PM Central. I had to go look it up because nobody posted it.

[Spott]

I didn't realize that the Hawks weren't rated in the top 25. Did they lose that many seniors last year?

[Lzen]

They are trying to sell a new network to cable companies. It's their first step on the path toward the dream that is "The Ocho".

Yes, I understand that. I still think it's stupid. But I do realize it's a business and they're trying to drum up demand for their new network.

[Lzen]

I didn't realize that the Hawks weren't rated in the top 25. Did they lose that many seniors last year?

Uh, yeah. They lost Simien, Miles, Langford, and Lee (along with a couple scrubs) to graduation. They are a freshman and sophomore dominated team. They have 2 seniors that were both originally walk-ons (Moody is now under scholarship) and no juniors.

[chiefqueen]

Uh, yeah. They lost Simien, Miles, Langford, and Lee (along with a couple scrubs) to graduation. They are a freshman and sophomore dominated team. They have 2 seniors that were both originally walk-ons (Moody is now under scholarship) and no juniors.

There was to be one junior but he "mooned" himself off the team.

[DJay23]

SIG bet anyone?

I offered once before and people seemed to be unwilling to take the bet. Anyone willing today?
Don't insult us. We're smarter than that.

[alnorth]

SIG bet anyone?

I offered once before and people seemed to be unwilling to take the bet. Anyone willing today?

Pfft, right. Yall are supposed to cruise tonight.

You do realize that if the baby Jayhawks somehow manage to win, youll catch all kinds of holy hell on this board untill... oh about mid-February, right?

[SCTrojan]

Great opportunity for the 'Hawks do get some experience and improve.

[Dunit35]

I will cry if they pull this one out tonight. Id be horribly shocked if they do win though.

[Saulbadguy]

Wow, they look awful.

[DJay23]

Wow, they look awful.
They look young and intimidated. There's a difference.

[chiefsfan987]

gonna be a LONG season.

[jAZ]

Lute installed the full-court defense and motion offense in the offseason to take advantage of our depth. I kinda wonder if it was all done mostly with KU - and their youth - in mind.

What ever the motiviation or future plans, it seems to be working so far tonight.

[DJay23]

gonna be a LONG season.
Don't give up on em yet.

[chiefsfan987]

They'll be good in a few years, but I'm not counting on anything this year. I'd be happy if they finished in the top half of the Big 12. This is the first time I've gotten to see them on the year and they're pretty much looking like I expected, not good.

[jAZ]

Don't give up on em yet.
I wouldn't give up on them tonight. This is Arizona their playing. The same team that gave up a 20 point lead to Illinois in just 4 minutes in the Elite 8 last year.

[DJay23]

Wow, how often do you see THAT called?

[leviw]

11 turnovers in 12 minutes...Ugh. Kaun looking good once again, though.

[DJay23]

11 turnovers in 12 minutes...Ugh. Kaun looking good once again, though.
Really excited about Kaun. Still looks a little shaky with the ball in his hands and on D, but I expect those things to work themselves out by the end of the year.

[leviw]

Really excited about Kaun. Still looks a little shaky with the ball in his hands and on D, but I expect those things to work themselves out by the end of the year.

Did you hear Bilas comare him to David Padgett. How the hell do you draw that comparison in your wildest dreams?

[DJay23]

Did you hear Bilas comare him to David Padgett. How the hell do you draw that comparison in your wildest dreams?
Kaun doesn't have a vagina does he? Otherwise I might see it. Tall, white, pussies. I'm not willing to put that badge of dishonor on Kaun yet.

[DJay23]

Guys have settled a bit. Playing ball now. I really like the looks of Kaun out there. Nice presence to have.

[leviw]

Kaun doesn't have a vagina does he? Otherwise I might see it. Tall, white, pussies. I'm not willing to put that badge of dishonor on Kaun yet.

Padgett had no post presence, whatsoever. One of the main reasons he left is because Self wouldn't let him play along the perimeter enough. You're 6'11" d-bag. Know your role.

[CoMoChief]

We need to stop turning the ****in ball over

[CoMoChief]

Julian Showtime Wright baby!!!!!!!

[leviw]

We need to stop turning the ****in ball over

And somebody needs to tell Giles his 18-foot jumpers aren't a good call.

[DJay23]

Giles has one ugly J.

Lead cut to 5. This is the kind of stuff I want to see. How do they react when they're down big to a good team. How do the play when the shots aren't falling. How do they respond when they can't complete a pass. I like what I'm seeing.

[CoMoChief]

And someone needs to tell Bill Self the hi-low offense only works in HS.

[leviw]

Welcome back to Earth, Christian Moody. Hope you enjoyed yourself last season.

[DJay23]

Anybody else see that?

[leviw]

Anybody else see that?

yes

[DJay23]

That's a nice shot though.

I like it. Guys are putting out effort. Making a lot of mistakes, but to be expected. Defense looks active and once they learn to control those long arms and speed, teams will be lucky to score anything on us.

[Nelson Muntz]

Anybody else see that?

see what

[DJay23]

see what
Arizona dude bringing the ball up, decided to pick up his dribble around the time line, then decided against it and kind of flipped it forward with 2 hands, like he was about to shoot a free throw. Then started dribbling again.

[CoMoChief]

Christian Moody and Jeff Hawkins should not be playing this much.

They were bench warmers for Roy for a reason. **** You Bill Self!!!

[ROYC75]

Damn, turnovers are killing us. Play a little more in cotrol here and we can pull this game out. Keep turning it over and you can forget about it.

[the Talking Can]

we're only down by 6 to the 8th ranked team in the country....after playing the most retarded half of basketball I've ever seen....they'll beat us today but our upside is off the charts....I like it

[leviw]

Christian Moody and Jeff Hawkins should not be playing this much.

They were bench warmers for Roy for a reason. **** You Bill Self!!!

They were freshmen walk-ons when Roy was here. Of course they were bench warmers. Moody is what he his...not much. J-Hawk can shoot the ball. He's an adequate point guard when Russ Rob gets in his 12-turnovers-a-game funks.

[leviw]

Arizona has been KU's best player tonight. By far.

[DJay23]

Jesus, let them play.

[DJay23]

Very sloppy. I'm waiting for Zona to just turn it on at this point.

[Archie F. Swin]

I wish the guards would pass the ball to Kaun's hands instead of his bean bag... :shake:

[leviw]

I wish the guards would pass the ball to Kaun's hands instead of his bean bag... :shake:

If Kaun is anything like me, his hands are by his bean bag anyway.

[DJay23]

Wow, this is ugly.

[Archie F. Swin]

Self deserves to lose for wearing that teh gHey shirt. The whole staff looks like a strange cult waiting for a UFO.

[chiefsfan987]

Can KU please throw the ball away about 15 more times please? Good lord this game is sloppy.

[Archie F. Swin]

what does " low post"' mean?

[CoMoChief]

Jeff Hawkins needs to not play basketball anymore.

[DJay23]

what does " low post"' mean?
Right under the basket.

[Archie F. Swin]

God, I hope they get all this poop out of their systems.

[teedubya]

ugly game... hopefully they learn from this... scraping back down 20-4 was good... but damn. Do something.

[Archie F. Swin]

Right under the basket.

check

[CoMoChief]

Is it just me or does Duke seem to be playing at a different level than everyone else?

[teedubya]

Chalmers just got schooled... twice.

[DJay23]

This Rodgers looks like a real fuqtard.

[CoMoChief]

Hawkins is awful.

[KChiefs1]

Going to be a long year in Larryville this year judging by this game.

[teedubya]

Going to be a long year in Larryville this year judging by this game.

shuddap, you.

[DJay23]

Like watching someone build a house. Quite a brickfest. I guess the positive is that it can only go up from here, because you can't get much worse.

[KChiefs1]

It was a very painful game to watch...I know it's early in the season, but wow....just awful.

I can't believe Arizona is the 8th best team in the NCAA either.

[Dunit35]

You know after watching this game I was impressed with how they came back down 20-4. Turnovers is what killed their chances at winning this game. I got done watching it when they had 25 turnovers. They will settle down and win some ball games. I bet they are ranked by the time this season gets over with.

[ROYC75]

Alot of talent that needs to play under more control..... give them about 15 to 20 games to jell and watch a big difference in them.

[HolmeZz]

UConn/Arkansas just tipped off. 8-2 Huskies.

[sedated]

That was like watching a middle school girls' game.

[sedated]

Jeff Hawkins needs to not play basketball anymore.

:bravo:

Moody included.

I'm already sick of these horrifically untalented seniors.

[ArrowheadHawk]

moody has to play because of what happened to darnell and j hawk really isn't that horrible

[ChiefsFanatic]

And somebody needs to tell Giles his 18-foot jumpers aren't a good call.

Especially after one pass and with zero rebounders under the basket. But he sure can block a shot, though. That block he had toward the end of the game was sick.

[ChiefsFanatic]

Arizona dude bringing the ball up, decided to pick up his dribble around the time line, then decided against it and kind of flipped it forward with 2 hands, like he was about to shoot a free throw. Then started dribbling again.

I personally thought that this was one of the worst officiated games I have ever seen. Arizona double-dribbled twice, fouled several times (especially cutting the legs of players under the basket twice) without being called. We were called for fouls we didn't commit, and the fouls we did commit were not called.

On one breakaway by Arizona, the official blew his whistle and he wasn't even looking at where the foul was. And if he had been looking, he was screened by the offensive player and would not have been able to see the foul occur.

We played sloppy, they let off after the big lead. I was impressed with the fact that we did not run and hide after they jumped up to that big lead.

One final question:

WHAT THE HELL IS UP WITH RUSH CONTINUALLY LOSING THE HANDLE ON THE BALL WHEN HE IS ABOUT TO FINISH.

[|Zach|]

I was impressed with the fact that we did not run and hide after they jumped up to that big lead.

Really?

[ChiefsFanatic]

Really?

Yes. I think a young team can really get down on themselves. Young teams are also prone to letting their mistakes drag them down even further.

I suppose you knew we would not wilt under the pressure. I didn't know how they would respond to actual competition.

Also, this would be my starting lineup:

Chalmers at 1
Downs at 2
Rush at 3
Giles at 4
Kaun at 5

Hawkins and Robinson just get too sloppy with the ball. Robinson would dribble to the baseline or sideline and pick up his dribble, he keeps trying to make weak layups that get smacked down. He is a good defender, and just barely adequate handling the ball. Chalmers is just bigger and more physical than Hawkins.

I also believe that Downs has the ball handling ability and certainly is more of a scoring threat than either Robinson or Hawkins at the 2. he needs to work on defense.

The rest is pretty self-evident.

And once again, is it just me, or does it seem like Rush becomes butterfingers when he is about to finish?

Flame away.

[jspchief]

Well that is stupid. WTH don't they show that on ESPN2? Or do they have more important things to show, like poker? :rolleyes:Maybe they just don't think a consolation game between two unranked teams is worthy of jacking up their afternoon line-up.

Haha. Actually, they are showing a soccer game instead of the KU game. ROFL

I imagine it will be a hard adjustment for KU fans to get used to their basketball team not mattering. FWIW, I thought they did a good job of hanging with Arizona for most the game.

[sedated]

I imagine it will be a hard adjustment for KU fans to get used to their basketball team not mattering.

the jayhawks always matter

[Swanman]

I personally thought that this was one of the worst officiated games I have ever seen. Arizona double-dribbled twice, fouled several times (especially cutting the legs of players under the basket twice) without being called. We were called for fouls we didn't commit, and the fouls we did commit were not called.

On one breakaway by Arizona, the official blew his whistle and he wasn't even looking at where the foul was. And if he had been looking, he was screened by the offensive player and would not have been able to see the foul occur.

We played sloppy, they let off after the big lead. I was impressed with the fact that we did not run and hide after they jumped up to that big lead.



In the referees' defense, it's next to impossible to officiate a game that sloppily played. That may have been one of the ugliest games I've ever seen, only tempered by the fact that it's real early in the season. But with that said, I would expect either coach to install some sort of offense in practice, but all I saw was guys running around and throwing the ball away. It looked like a game between two bad Chicago public league teams.

[jspchief]

the jayhawks always matterTo the rest of college basketball fandom? Not really. They're going to have to earn that this year.

[Lzen]

There was to be one junior but he "mooned" himself off the team.

Oh yeah, him. I forgot about Giddens. I think I'm trying to subconciously remove him from memory. :shake:

[Saulbadguy]

Oh yeah, him. I forgot about Giddens. I think I'm trying to subconciously remove him from memory. :shake:
Heh. I get to see ole' JR tommorow night when K-State plays New Mexico. I'm going to harass him the entire game.

Anyone have any ideas for some clever chants?

[Lzen]

Maybe they just don't think a consolation game between two unranked teams is worthy of jacking up their afternoon line-up.

Haha. Actually, they are showing a soccer game instead of the KU game. ROFL

I imagine it will be a hard adjustment for KU fans to get used to their basketball team not mattering. FWIW, I thought they did a good job of hanging with Arizona for most the game.

Despite the fact that they're very young and will struggle this year, the Jayhawks are still a powerhouse. They have a huge fanbase and the networks know that. Besides, they really didn't know who would be playing in the consolidation game. Upsets are not uncommon, especially in early season tournaments like this. And really, man, it's a freakin' soccer game. I mean, come on. :rolleyes:

[Lzen]

Heh. I get to see ole' JR tommorow night when K-State plays New Mexico. I'm going to harass him the entire game.

Anyone have any ideas for some clever chants?

1....2....3....4......
Stab somebody and then you score.......

[chiefqueen]

Heh. I get to see ole' JR tommorow night when K-State plays New Mexico. I'm going to harass him the entire game.

Anyone have any ideas for some clever chants?

First, are redshirts allowed to travel with the team? (I thought they weren't.)

If he is there a Randy Moss type salute might be appropriate, however, that would probably get you kicked out of Bramledge.

[jAZ]

I can't believe Arizona is the 8th best team in the NCAA either.
Pre-season polls suck.

Lots of teams are mis-ranked including Arizona.

Lots of teams come out flat in the early going. At least Arizona won their game and actually doubled the "spread" of 5.5 points.

#2 Texas ALMOST lost West Virgina
#7 Kentucky lost to Iowa
#12 Michigan State lost to Hawaii
#19 Syracuse lost to Florida
#20 Maryland lost to Gonzaga

That was just last night.

Only point is that the pre-season polls are worthless in large part because good teams start off slow, bad teams have all off season to prepare for thier first opponent. Upsets mean little this time of year, just like the polls.

I fully expect that Arizona will improve significantly by the time conference play rolls around. And I think KU will similarly improve (if not more) in that same span. By the end of the year, I think KU and AZ will be at about the same level... and I hope we can meet again in the tourney.

This is my favorite non-conference rival and I'm disappointed we didn't continue our home-and-home series after Roy left. I hope we can restart it with Self.

[jspchief]

Pre-season polls suck.

Lots of teams are mis-ranked including Arizona.

Lots of teams come out flat in the early going. At least Arizona won their game and actually doubled the "spread" of 5.5 points.

#2 Texas ALMOST lost West Virgina
#7 Kentucky lost to Iowa
#12 Michigan State lost to Hawaii
#19 Syracuse lost to Florida
#20 Maryland lost to Gonzaga

That was just last night.

Only point is that the pre-season polls are worthless in large part because good teams start off slow, bad teams have all off season to prepare for thier first opponent. Upsets mean little this time of year, just like the polls.

I fully expect that Arizona will improve significantly by the time conference play rolls around. And I think KU will similarly improve (if not more) in that same span. By the end of the year, I think KU and AZ will be at about the same level... and I hope we can meet again in the tourney.

This is my favorite non-conference rival and I'm disappointed we didn't continue our home-and-home series after Roy left. I hope we can restart it with Self.You make it sound like those are a bunch of major upsets. The only true upsets IMO are Mich St and Syracuse.

Maryland lost to a higher ranked Gonzaga.
And the IA vs Kentucky and West Virginia vs Texas were both battles between two top 20 teams on a neutral court. Not exactly what I consider upsets, at least not very big upsets.

[Lzen]

Pre-season polls suck.

Lots of teams are mis-ranked including Arizona.

Lots of teams come out flat in the early going. At least Arizona won their game and actually doubled the "spread" of 5.5 points.

#2 Texas ALMOST lost West Virgina
#7 Kentucky lost to Iowa
#12 Michigan State lost to Hawaii
#19 Syracuse lost to Florida
#20 Maryland lost to Gonzaga

That was just last night.

Only point is that the pre-season polls are worthless in large part because good teams start off slow, bad teams have all off season to prepare for thier first opponent. Upsets mean little this time of year, just like the polls.

I fully expect that Arizona will improve significantly by the time conference play rolls around. And I think KU will similarly improve (if not more) in that same span. By the end of the year, I think KU and AZ will be at about the same level... and I hope we can meet again in the tourney.

This is my favorite non-conference rival and I'm disappointed we didn't continue our home-and-home series after Roy left. I hope we can restart it with Self.


I don't know about those other teams. The Hawaii over MSU was a big upset. But the Gonzaga was not. Gonzaga is a top 10 team.

[duncan_idaho]

Heh. I get to see ole' JR tommorow night when K-State plays New Mexico. I'm going to harass him the entire game.

Anyone have any ideas for some clever chants?

How about this sign:

Shoplifting at Wal*Mart but not losing your athletic scholarship— lucky
Pulling on your jersey and acting like a clown after every routine play— classless
Not making an all-conference team the season you were supposed to jump to the NBA — disappointing
Attacking a guy half your size with in a 10-1 situation — cowardly
Getting run out of town after said pint-size nearly cuts your leg off — priceless

or this one:
Criswell shoulda aimed for the carotid

[Mr. Laz]

Well that game just made me ill


we can't shoot, can't handle the ball


apparently self has done nothing but work on defense thus far.


he truly is gonna turn us into Illinois part 2 ... ugly street slop ball.

high/low offense just sucks


Self is a great recruiter, but i have yet to see him actually coach anything. :(

[sedated]

We lost our poise several times, but we'll be okay.

We've got some ballers, some shooters, and some serious athletes. We just need some leaders

[duncan_idaho]

Self is a great recruiter, but i have yet to see him actually coach anything. :(


Welcome to the club. At least he's actually a good recruiter, not just a perceived good recruiter. And at least he develops his talent a little bit...

[WilliamTheIrish]

How about this sign:

Shoplifting at Wal*Mart but not losing your athletic scholarship— lucky
Pulling on your jersey and acting like a clown after every routine play— classless
Not making an all-conference team the season you were supposed to jump to the NBA — disappointing
Attacking a guy half your size with in a 10-1 situation — cowardly
Getting run out of town after said pint-size nearly cuts your leg off — priceless

or this one:
Criswell shoulda aimed for the carotid

Those are all very good.