UFC 88

[ArrowheadHawk]

Should be a good one. The misses just gave me the go ahead to order it. Here is the card.

Main Event
Rashad Evans (205) vs Chuck Liddell (204)

Matt Hamill (205) vs Rich Franklin (204.5)
Dan Henderson (185) vs Rousimar Palhares (184.5)
Nate Marquardt (185) vs Martin Kampmann (184.5)
Matt Brown (170) vs Dong Hyun Kim (170)

Thiago Tavares (155) vs Kurt Pellegrino (156)
Tim Boetsch (205.25) vs Michael Patt (205.25)
Jason Lambert (185) vs Jason MacDonald (185)
Ryo Chonan (170) vs Roan Carneiro (170)

This card is loaded with talent. I don't know who to root for because I like all four of the top 2 fights.

[ArrowheadHawk]

Anybody watch UFC around here?

[El Pendejo]

It's disappointing that Karo had to pull out. The fight between Yoshiyuki Yoshida and him looked to be a very entertaining one.

Should still be a solid night of fights from top to bottom.

[Valiant]

Looks good on paper.. Hopefully the fights back it up.. I have been disappointed quite a bit lately on the fights..

[keg in kc]

Card doesn't really do much for me. There's talent on it, yes, but I'm not sure how good the fights will actually be.

[macdawg]

been a fan since ufc 1 card is mediocre

[El Pendejo]

been a fan since ufc 1 card is mediocre

I think if you watch this event without a jaundiced eye you'll enjoy this card. Pretty much every match-up has the potential to be exciting.

Then again there won't be a repeat of Keith Hackney going speed bag on Joe Son's apple bag. Those were the good ole days, eh?

[ArrowheadHawk]

I think if you watch this event without a jaundiced eye you'll enjoy this card. Pretty much every match-up has the potential to be exciting.

Then again there won't be a repeat of Keith Hackney going speed bag on Joe Son's apple bag. Those were the good ole days, eh?
I have not bought a paperview in in about 6 monthes. I like this one because I really like Rashad Evans and Matt Hamill, I think those two with Michael Bisping are the future of the sport.

[Iowanian]

What is the website that you can see this streaming?

They're up about every time.....and it looks like I'm home with the kids tonight.

[ArrowheadHawk]

What is the website that you can see this streaming?

They're up about every time.....and it looks like I'm home with the kids tonight.
I know you can buy it from yahoo(check 88.ufc.com for more details) Also its tomorrow night.

[TrickyNicky]

Still would've liked to have seen Shogun vs Liddell but them's the breaks. I don't think Rashad has much of a chance if Chuck came prepared and hungry.

[Iowanian]

I found a couple of places where it will be streamed...

[KcMizzou]

Still would've liked to have seen Shogun vs Liddell but them's the breaks. I don't think Rashad has much of a chance if Chuck came prepared and hungry.I'm a big Chuck fan. I know it's not popular to like him because he's uh... too popular... but I always find myself rooting for the guy.

[KcMizzou]

Who do you root for on the Hamill vs. Franklin fight?

I don't really want to see either guy lose.

And I really want Boetsch to win on the under card.

[TrickyNicky]

I want Franklin to win as a fan, because 185 is a lost cause for him. Unless he wants another free rhinoplasty from The Spider.

[KcMizzou]

I want Franklin to win as a fan, because 185 is a lost cause for him. Unless he wants another free rhinoplasty from The Spider.Yeah... he's in a bad spot there. The best of the rest.

And he seems like a hell of a good guy.

[TrickyNicky]

Theres just a shortage of credible 185'ers that Silva can take on though. Bisping is still undefeated. Swick lost. He's already beaten Marquardt and Hendo. Okami will probably be on the radar for a non-title fight too.

[KcMizzou]

Theres just a shortage of credible 185'ers that Silva can take on though. Bisping is still undefeated. Swick lost. He's already beaten Marquardt and Hendo. Okami will probably be on the radar for a non-title fight too.Bisping looks like a MUCH better fight to me, now that he's trimmed down.

[TrickyNicky]

Yeah. But they have to build to Bisping, since he's fighting Leben in the headliner of 89. Letting Baloni, Busta, and Woogie go years and years ago was dumb since they could have been good matchups for Silva and kept the division on the up and ups. I think a fun fight could be for Silva to go up to 205 and fight Machida, since Lyoto is a natural 205 and wouldn't be cutting 15 lbs. If Machida ever gets the belt, that could definitely be a superfight.

[TrickyNicky]

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/articlefiles/7034-LiddellEvansUFC88Weigh.jpg

Look at the gut :( Please don't be phoning this one in like Jardine, Chucky...

[KcMizzou]

Machida's the best fighter nobody seems to want to see.

I'm a fan. The guy's amazing. He's elusive... he's not running from anything.

[TrickyNicky]

It's no different from what Mayweather does on occasion. Knowing your strengths and playing to them is the whole point of game-planning a fight.

[SAUTO]

Machida's the best fighter nobody seems to want to see.

I'm a fan. The guy's amazing. He's elusive... he's not running from anything.

oh yeah what he does is amazing but makes for awful boring fights for the occasional watcher

[macdawg]

Machida is amazing, he does run a lot but you gotta give it up to a guy facing top fighters and not getting hit or taking any kind of damage.

[KcMizzou]

On a somewhat related note...

World Extreme Cagefighting's Sept. 10 "WEC 36: Faber vs. Brown" event has been rescheuled for Nov. 5 due to Hurricane Ike, which is expected to hit Florida early next week.

WEC officials notified the event's competitors and their management teams Friday night during a conference call, fighters' representatives told MMAjunkie.com (UFC blog for UFC news, UFC rumors, fighter interviews and event previews/recaps | MMAjunkie.com).

"WEC 36: Faber vs. Brown," is set to take place at the Seminole Hard Rock Hotel & Casino in Hollywood, Fla., which is located in the southern portion of the state. WEC officials said the venue is already being prepared as an emergy shelter for area residents.

In addition to the night's main event of WEC featherweight champ Urijah Faber vs. Mike Brown, undefeated middleweight title-holder Paulo Filho puts his belt on the line against Chael Sonnen at the event.

WEC officials apparently made the decision now -- rather than closer to the event -- to assure fans and fighters weren't stranded in Florida if the hurricane hits with full force.

The latest projections have Ike -- a Catgeory 4 hurricane that at least temporarily weakened to a Category 3 on Friday evening -- hitting the Southern tip of Florida on Tuesday evening and ravaging the southern half of the state by Wednesday night.

In anticipation of Ike's early-week arrival, emergency-management officials have already initiated mandatory evacuations for the 80,000 residents of the Florida Keys, a 110-mile stretch of coral islands located south of Florida's mainland.

That has to suck for the fighters. All that hard work and training....

[SAUTO]

damn i was lookin forward to watching faber. that guy is great

[ArrowheadHawk]

I hope Rashad has a good showing tonight. That man is quick as lightning.

[SAUTO]

i dont really like chuck or rashad but im hoping rashad wins. im more of a rampage and wand fan myself. i really liked pride and the guys who were over there. i like the ufc also but REALLY dislike the way dana white acts like he's is the MMA god, hopefully fertita takes some of dana's authority

[CoMoChief]

I cant wait for the Lesnar Couture fight.

[SAUTO]

i feel as though coture fedor should be made to happen first

[KcMizzou]

Well, I broke down and ordered the PPV.

I have no willpower.

Mizzou football leading right into UFC... should be a fun night.

[SAUTO]

Well, I broke down and ordered the PPV.

I have no willpower.

im the same way, i record all of them on dvd and have from 31 until now, so you see what i've got tied up in it. also have lots of pride, kotc, and anything else you could buy on ppv.

[KcMizzou]

Countdown show's on Spike now.

[Smed1065]

Gotta leave for the "live" event.....Now... damn free tickets cost gas money.......

[KcMizzou]

Fight time. :toast:

[The Dynasty]

anyone have sopcast??

[BigVE]

anyone have sopcast??
It's not working for me.

[The Dynasty]

only stream i have that works.

http://cdn1.ustream.tv/swf/4/viewer.25.swf?cid=260445

[BigVE]

http://www.mmashare.com/mma-live-stream-free.html

[ArrowheadHawk]

Matt Brown got a little cocky in that third round.

[ArrowheadHawk]

Is it just me or are Hendo's fights boring?

[The Dynasty]

Yeah that was a boring ass fight. I'll be watching Katsidis/Baby Bull on HBO with the main event mma on my lappy.

[TrickyNicky]

Ouch.

[kcxiv]

So who won? I didnt watch it this week. I wasnt to excited about the card.

[ArrowheadHawk]

Rashad is officially the "****ing" MAN!

[ArrowheadHawk]

So who won? I didnt watch it this week. I wasnt to excited about the card.
:doh!: I loved this card.

[keg in kc]

Might have been worth paying just to see Liddell get knocked the f*ck out.

Can't stand that guy.

[ArrowheadHawk]

Might have been worth paying just to see Liddell get knocked the f*ck out.

Can't stand that guy.
I actually like both Lidell and Evans. Evans is definatly going to be a Legend in this sport when he is done.

[chop]

I don't care for Rashad because he's really cocky and most of his fights are pretty boring. There have been maybe two fights of his that I thought was entertaining. As for this fight, he didn't land that many punches because he was running from Chuck most of the time but the one punch he did land was a very good shot.

[TrickyNicky]

On the plus side, we may get to see Wandy rape choke Rashad.

[ArrowheadHawk]

I don't care for Rashad because he's really cocky and most of his fights are pretty boring. There have been maybe two fights of his that I thought was entertaining. As for this fight, he didn't land that many punches because he was running from Chuck most of the time but the one punch he did land was a very good shot.He has every right to be cocky, he has never lost. I think he will be an awesome fighter when all is said and done. He is very quick. I think some of what made him boring in the beginning was that he was fighting at heavyweight. Since moving down he has been amazing.
On the plus side, we may get to see Wandy rape choke Rashad.
I wouldn't bet on it.

[KcMizzou]

Might have been worth paying just to see Liddell get knocked the f*ck out.

Can't stand that guy.That actually kinda sucked for me.

But if you're a hater.. it'd have been worth it. It was pretty brutal.

[TrickyNicky]

He was out for like 5 minutes too.

[TrickyNicky]

If Rashad leapfrogs Machida, I'll be pissed. It will probably happen too.

[ArrowheadHawk]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v506/Gudster/Album%202/LOLOUT.jpg

[ArrowheadHawk]

If Rashad leapfrogs Machida, I'll be pissed. It will probably happen too.
Machida sucks, Rashad would destroy him. Rashad is one of the few fighters that are fast enough to counter his style.

[kcxiv]

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[KcMizzou]

Machida sucks, Rashad would destroy him. Rashad is one of the few fighters that are fast enough to counter his style.Bullshit.

[ArrowheadHawk]

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<embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/qJZe-Hi_iSg&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></object>Rep for the vid.

[ArrowheadHawk]

Bullshit.
I bet you thought the Iceman was going to dominate Rashad also.

[ArrowheadHawk]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v506/Gudster/Album%202/chuckout.gif

[KcMizzou]

Machida sucks, Rashad would destroy him. Rashad is one of the few fighters that are fast enough to counter his style.You're dead wrong about that.

All of that.

[ArrowheadHawk]

You're dead wrong about that.

All of that.
Ok I admit he doesn't suck, I just don't like his style.

[KcMizzou]

Ok I admit he doesn't suck, I just don't like his style.Fair enough.

[TrickyNicky]

I will agree it would be a bad fight. But I think Machida would ride his bike to a win.

[ArrowheadHawk]

I will agree it would be a bad fight. But I think Machida would ride his bike to a win.
I hope that Rashad's next fight is either Rampage or Forrest.

[KcMizzou]

Yeah, I'm a little upset that Chuck got KTFO... I knew about him before I knew about MMA.

In my mind, it was like watching Joe Montana getting crushed in Buffalo while trying to get the Chiefs to the big game. (Not that bad... but similar.)

Still though, I'm a huge fan of the sport.

[ArrowheadHawk]

Yeah, I'm a little upset that Chuck got KTFO... I knew about him before I knew about MMA.

In my mind, it was like watching Joe Montana getting crushed in Buffalo while trying to get the Chiefs to the big game. (Not that bad... but similar.)

Still though, I'm a huge fan of the sport.
:clap: At least we can agree on two things. MMA and the Chiefs. Now if you would just come around about those tiggers.:cuss:

[KcMizzou]

:clap: At least we can agree on two things. MMA and the Chiefs. Now if you would just come around about those tiggers.:cuss:We're never gonna agree on that. ;)

[ArrowheadHawk]

It looks like Vandy and Rampage are gonna fight at UFC 91

http://www.mmafrenzy.com/2008/09/06/wanderlei-silva-vs-quinton-jackson-nearly-finalized-for-ufc-91/

That likely leaves a Griffen vs Machida Title fight and then the winner of that Vandy vs Rampage could fight Rashad for the next title shot. What do you all think?

[TrickyNicky]

Sounds ok. Although I need to See Wandy vs Rampage III about as much as I needed to see Wandy vs Sakuraba III. I think it should go Rampage vs Machida and Wandy vs Rashad.

[ArrowheadHawk]

Sounds ok. Although I need to See Wandy vs Rampage III about as much as I needed to see Wandy vs Sakuraba III. I think it should go Rampage vs Machida and Wandy vs Rashad.
I haven't seen any of the matches you have mentioned. Except maybee in highlights. Until lately the only MMA i watched was the UFC.

[TrickyNicky]

Theres a whole other scene in Japan, man. You need to get some DVDs.

[ArrowheadHawk]

Theres a whole other scene in Japan, man. You need to get some DVDs.
That won't work for me. I only like current fights. I tried to torrent an MMA event that was in Japan and it didn't have enough popularity for me to get it in a timely fashion so I just skipped it.

[TrickyNicky]

Youtube works wonders too

[ArrowheadHawk]

Youtube works wonders too
I'll try that next time.

[chop]

He has every right to be cocky, he has never lost. I think he will be an awesome fighter when all is said and done. He is very quick. I think some of what made him boring in the beginning was that he was fighting at heavyweight. Since moving down he has been amazing.


I guess it's not just him being cocky but it's annoys me when fighters disrespect other fighters.

He has gotten better in his fights of late but most of this fight was boring also. He kept running from Chuck and didn't really engage in any action in the first round. Chuck chased him down again in the second before he threw that wild punch that connected with Chucks chin.

The good thing for Rashad is that he has more speed than most in the UFC. He used to be one dimensional but he is turning into a well rounded fighter. This victory gives him more time to work on his game and still have a shot at the title in the near future.

[SAUTO]

rashad has got BALLS. to stand there, not clinch, not try the takedown, only real d was to back offand to use head movement to slip the punches, WOW. also i dont think the ko punch was wild, he set that one up for a long time. he kept throwing that left, even if it was at air, to get chuck to watch it then when chuck saw the left coming and tried to counter rashad threw that crushing right, beautiful

[ArrowheadHawk]

rashad has got BALLS. to stand there, not clinch, not try the takedown, only real d was to back offand to use head movement to slip the punches, WOW. also i dont think the ko punch was wild, he set that one up for a long time. he kept throwing that left, even if it was at air, to get chuck to watch it then when chuck saw the left coming and tried to counter rashad threw that crushing right, beautiful
No way that was a wild punch. He stepped into it and threw to me what looked like a solid punch. We should ask Chuck if he thinks it was wild.

[SAUTO]

YEAH he set it up the whole fight

[ArrowheadHawk]

A day later and I still can't believe what I saw.

[TrickyNicky]

No way that was a wild punch. He stepped into it and threw to me what looked like a solid punch. We should ask Chuck if he thinks it was wild.
I doubt he remembers a damn thing.

If that was a wild punch, then every punch Chuck has ever KO'ed anyone else with is also wild. That was Chucks signature punch. Like Gonzaga high kicking Cro Cop into Bolivian.

[ArrowheadHawk]

I doubt he remembers a damn thing.....
:clap:

[Bowser]

Jesus, Liddell got knocked the **** out. Just saw the highlights of this. Pretty brutal.

[Chief_in_Commander]

Very happy with this card until the last fight. I hate Rashad more than any fighter in the UFC. He was a bad matchup for Chuck as Liddell is a counter puncher and not usuall the aggressor so he defends the take downs and counter punches. Well you can't counter punch Rashad because he just back pedals the entire time so Chuck was really having to get in close to and lean to get his flurries in. The way Chuck was approaching so fast it was very easy to see that coming. I just hope wanderlei can get ahold of Rashad because he will attack the way he did against Jardine and Rampage and just destroy Rashad.

[TrickyNicky]

Poor Chuck, he's been getting the Matt Hughe's treatment all over the place, but these are funny.

The Original
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http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/BKChivo/icezman2.jpg

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa7/cbia/rashchuck2.jpg

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo285/AliasFaux/chuck.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll294/killbobPhoto/rashaddunk.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e188/hogrock/rashadchuck1.jpg

[badgirl]

Reminds of when rampage Jackson knocked the hell out of him for the belt.

[keg in kc]

Payouts from the fight.

Liddel got a half a million. Not a bad haul for getting your ass kicked. Funny how it works (this way in boxing, too...), the guy facedown on the mat makes four times as much as the guy running circles and cheering.

Rashad Evans: $120,000($60,000 win bonus included) def.
Chuck Liddell: $500,000

Rich Franklin: $100,000($50,000 win bonus included) def.
Matt Hamill: $10,000

Dan Henderson: $250,000 ($150,000 win bonus included) def.
Rouismar Palhares: $7000

Nathan Marquardt: $56,000 ($28,000 win bonus included) def.
Martin Kampmann: $15,000

Dong Hyun Kim: $46,000 ($23,000 win bonus included) def.
Matt Brown: $8000

Kurt Pellegrino: $24,000 ($12,000 win bonus included) def.
Thiago Tavares: $13,000

Tim Boetsch: $16,000 ($8000 win bonus included) def.
Matt Patt: $5000

Jason MacDonald: $44,000 ($22,000 win bonus included) def.
Jason Lambert $17,000

Ryo Chonan: $30,000 ($15,000 win bonus included) def.
Roan Carneiro: $9000

[ArrowheadHawk]

Very happy with this card until the last fight. I hate Rashad more than any fighter in the UFC. He was a bad matchup for Chuck as Liddell is a counter puncher and not usuall the aggressor so he defends the take downs and counter punches. Well you can't counter punch Rashad because he just back pedals the entire time so Chuck was really having to get in close to and lean to get his flurries in. The way Chuck was approaching so fast it was very easy to see that coming. I just hope wanderlei can get ahold of Rashad because he will attack the way he did against Jardine and Rampage and just destroy Rashad.
Dana already said Forrest vs Rashad in December.