Tony Gonzalez Trade Talks?

[Micjones]

I just stepped out to lunch and heard a 610 report that the trade talks for Tony Gonzalez are pretty serious. It was said that he could be moved to New York as early as today?

Does anyone have more information about this?
I was only in the car a short time.

[MIAdragon]

that would suck, but good for Tony.

[Frazod]

I hope it's true. Tony deserves better than to end his career playing for these fucking retards. And we could certainly whatever picks we get for him.

[Demonpenz]

that has been the word

[MIAdragon]

Any guess what we would get? A cond 4th?

[Micjones]

I never thought I'd feel this way about him being traded, but my heart sunk when I heard that report.

Tony Gonzalez IS Chiefs football.

And how much worse would this offense be without him?

[penguinz]

Boal said on 810 this morning that the Eagles called about TG and Carl hung up before hearing an offer.

[MIAdragon]

Boal said on 810 this morning that the Eagles called about TG and Carl hung up before hearing an offer.

Sounds about right :cuss:

[penguinz]

I never thought I'd feel this way about him being traded, but my heart sunk when I heard that report.

Tony Gonzalez IS Chiefs football.

And how much worse would this offense be without him?Not much since the ball is not thrown his direction anymore.

[MIAdragon]

I never thought I'd feel this way about him being traded, but my heart sunk when I heard that report.

Tony Gonzalez IS Chiefs football.

And how much worse would this offense be without him?

can it get much worse?

[Brock]

If it isn't a first rounder, the answer should be NO.

[Micjones]

Not much since the ball is not thrown his direction anymore.

He's someone the defense has to account for.
And he takes pressure off of Bowe.

With no one to protect Bowe...
Who in the hell will catch passes for this team?

Jamaal Charles?

[Sure-Oz]

I could see it being a possibility...i would want him on the Giants or some good team so he can win one...

He will never see a SB here

[Dave Lane]

NY Giants also called according to Petro

[KCrockaholic]

wow! this is a true mixed feelings situation here...i want Tony to go to a good team that could win the SB with a good QB (Brett Favre)? or Eli? but wow, i would cry to see Tony go

[Micjones]

If it isn't a first rounder, the answer should be NO.

I'm puzzled. As a football move this is dumb.
No way we get good value for him.

A serious contender would have to be willing to give up more than what he's likely worth at this point in his career.

Unless they're doing this out of respect for Tony.

[triple]

If Tony is asking to get out, which is what I'm reading into this, then we should let him go.

Of course we all know how Carl did Trent Green...

[Micjones]

can it get much worse?

Without a Hall of Famer there to be a safety net?
ABSOTIVELY POSOLUTELY!!!

[teedubya]

Giants or Jets?

[Sure-Oz]

We should get atleast a 2nd rounder, the guy can still play, he has no QB to get him teh ball. His skills haven't diminished that bad

[KCrockaholic]

If Tony is asking to get out, which is what I'm reading into this, then we should let him go.

Of course we all know how Carl did Trent Green...


Carl better not F with Tony like he did Trent...that would be crossing the line

[Brock]

Whatever slim chance Brodie Croyle has of becoming a real NFL QB would leave town with Gonzalez.

[RustShack]

Say it ain't so!!!

[Sure-Oz]

Giants or Jets?

I think the Giants have called

[gblowfish]

Carl won't trade him until they have the yard receiving ceremony for him.
Then he'll trade him.

[beach tribe]

I want Tony to be here when we turn it around. I think he could be a high caliber TE for another 4-5 yrs.

[Sure-Oz]

Carl won't trade him until they have the yard receiving ceremony for him.
Then he'll trade him.

right, I bet herm will be up there congratulating him too

[triple]

Carl better not F with Tony like he did Trent...that would be crossing the line

Carl doesn't give a damn about Tony Gonzalez anymore than he does about Trent Green. He cares about his (megalomanicial interpretation of his) reputation as one tough SOB negotiator, and trying to keep his job.

[Long Duk Dong]

Giants or Jets?

Ya...

[chiefs1111]

I think the Giants have called

Thats what im thinking. I don't see how the Jets could have any cap room left,lol

[PastorMikH]

If it isn't a first rounder, the answer should be NO.



Exactly!


The last thing I think this team needs is to let our best and most dependable player go in the midst of this "Rebuild".

[Deberg_1990]

Giants are a serious super bowl contender. Great for Tony if it works out. He deserves better than these a**clowns.

[Sure-Oz]

Eli to Gonzo would be insane

[Demonpenz]

i likey that double tight set with LJ smith and TG

[shitgoose]

Give this guy a chance to win. Send him to the Eagles for Lito Sheppard and a draft pick.

[talastan]

If is isn't a first rounder we better not go through with it. Your trading one of only three legitimate weapons this offense has. And arguably the most reliable reciever KC has had since Otis Taylor. Of course even with a first rounder from the Giants you're looking at probably a late first round pick. I would say we would want something else. Maybe a fourth? What do you guys think.

[Mr. Arrowhead]

Im sure if we do trade him, it will be performanced based on what we get from them

[RustShack]

Trade him to the Lions for Roy Williams!

[RustShack]

Or maybe we could get a DE from the Giants?

[The Franchise]

If Carl makes this move then it just reeks of him knowing that he's gone....and he's just trying to fuck this team over on the way out.

[Sure-Oz]

If we get a higher pick how does this fuck us over? we can't even get him the ball, period

[The Franchise]

If you trade Gonzo....you might as well eat the cap hit and trade LJ right now as well.

[smittysbar]

If is isn't a first rounder we better not go through with it. Your trading one of only three legitimate weapons this offense has. And arguably the most reliable reciever KC has had since Otis Taylor. Of course even with a first rounder from the Giants you're looking at probably a late first round pick. I would say we would want something else. Maybe a fourth? What do you guys think.

heh, I think there is no way in hell a team gives up a 1st for him

[Mr. Arrowhead]

If we find a team that would trade him for a 2nd, i would do it in a heartbeat, he is only gonna play 2 maybe 3 more years tops. Do him a favor and give him a chance to win

[Micjones]

Giants or Jets?

Giants.

[Micjones]

Trade him to the Lions for Roy Williams!

I'd go for that.

[MIAdragon]

If we find a team that would trade him for a 2nd, i would do it in a heartbeat, he is only gonna play 2 maybe 3 more years tops. Do him a favor and give him a chance to win

Id be shocked if we get a 2nd for him

[Demonpenz]

I would take a second pick for him. We just got TE in cottom. Give him first string (hah first string...) reps f it lets blow it all up

[Sure-Oz]

LOL, why would the lions want Gonzo, they are about as far as we are to contending

[Sure-Oz]

I hope we try to draft Coffman next year if he goes

[Brock]

If we find a team that would trade him for a 2nd, i would do it in a heartbeat, he is only gonna play 2 maybe 3 more years tops. Do him a favor and give him a chance to win

Fuck doing him a favor.

[OnTheWarpath15]

You know, Carl is a retard, but let's take off the hate goggles and look at this objectively.

Do any of you HONESTLY think that Carl is actively looking to trade Tony?

If he IS traded, it will be because he ASKED to be traded, and the organization followed through on his request.

Yet this entire town and fanbase will crucify Carl Peterson for it.

[Micjones]

You know, Carl is a retard, but let's take off the hate goggles and look at this objectively.

Do any of you HONESTLY think that Carl is actively looking to trade Tony?

If he IS traded, it will be because he ASKED to be traded, and the organization followed through on his request.

Yet this entire town and fanbase will crucify Carl Peterson for it.

I'd have to agree.
It's just not a smart football move.
This would have to be something they were doing for Tony.

[The Franchise]

You know, Carl is a retard, but let's take off the hate goggles and look at this objectively.

Do any of you HONESTLY think that Carl is actively looking to trade Tony?

If he IS traded, it will be because he ASKED to be traded, and the organization followed through on his request.

Yet this entire town and fanbase will crucify Carl Peterson for it.

Carl already has two nails in his cross. What's the harm in adding another?

[DeezNutz]

If we get a higher pick how does this **** us over? we can't even get him the ball, period

If we find a team that would trade him for a 2nd, i would do it in a heartbeat, he is only gonna play 2 maybe 3 more years tops. Do him a favor and give him a chance to win

I agree with these posts (except the favor part). As much as I enjoy watching Gonzo, he's not a part of this team's future.

[OnTheWarpath15]

I'd have to agree.
It's just not a smart football move.
This would have to be something they were doing for Tony.

No, it's not a smart football move.

But if it DOES happen, I'm not going to barbecue Carl over it.

JMO.

[Iowanian]

I'd hate to see him go, but he broke every record as a Chief. He deserves a chance to be with a winner, and the Chiefs need more help than 1 TE.

LJ needs to be moved because he won't be worth a fuG by the time the chiefs can compete, and he's a turd.

[Sure-Oz]

I'll be pissed if we get a 5th rounder or some bs

[DeezNutz]

No, it's not a smart football move.


Considering this team's level of suck, what's your rationale for this claim?

[RustShack]

I wish a team would give up their late 1st round pick for him... since we would be trading him to a contender... It will be hard when it happens... :(

[The Franchise]

My thoughts is that if we do trade him to the Giants....is that we'll get a conditional 4th for him.

[The Franchise]

Worst case scenario.....he gets traded to the Patriots and I have to hate Tony G.

[OnTheWarpath15]

I'll be pissed if we get a 5th rounder or some bs

That won't happen, IMO.

Tony knows the business side of things well enough to know Carl can't take a lowball offer just because he requested a trade.

[Micjones]

No, it's not a smart football move.

But if it DOES happen, I'm not going to barbecue Carl over it.

JMO.

I'd be a little upset about it.
Because I don't think you can do Tony a favor at the expense of the team.
If we had identified a valuable #2 guy I think this decision would be easier.

As a GM though I don't think you can go around doing favors for players (even players who've contributed 1 heart and 1 soul to this franchise as Gonzalez has) when it hurts the team.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Considering this team's level of suck, what's your rationale for this claim?

Because we have no chance of getting anywhere near his value.

If some team was actually willing to give up a 1st or 2nd (dream on) then it would be a great move for both Tony and the team, IMO.

At his age, he probably brings, at best a conditional 3rd round pick.

[ceebz]

You can't trade Gonzo for anything less than a first. He's worth much more to this team than just his play on the field, he's been the damn face of the franchise for a decade.

The PR hit alone, is worth a 1st rounder.

[DeezNutz]

Because we have no chance of getting anywhere near his value.


And I think this is where we might disagree. What's the value of a once great, now very, very good player who has 2-3 years left on a terrible ****ing team?

IMO, this team would be best served in the long run with receiving a 3rd. Again, this assumes you don't **** up the pick, and we all know this score...

Any PR hit will be neatly resolved when Carl is shown the door in a couple of months.

[Sure-Oz]

I think they could push a 2nd rounder out of a team that wants added punch towards the playoffs and possible SB

[Micjones]

And I think this is where we might disagree. What's the value of a once great, now very, very good player who has 2-3 years left on a terrible ****ing team?

IMO, this team would be best served in the long run with receiving a 3rd. Again, this assumes you don't **** up the pick, and we all know this score...

Any PR hit will be neatly resolved when Carl is shown the door in a couple of months.

I'd hold out for the #1 or the #2.

[OnTheWarpath15]

And I think this is where we might disagree. What's the value of a once great, now very, very good player who has 2-3 years left on a terrible ****ing team?

IMO, this team would be best served in the long run with receiving a 3rd. Again, this assumes you don't **** up the pick, and we all know this score...

Any PR hit will be neatly resolved when Carl is shown the door in a couple of months.

I could care less about the PR hit. If people don't like it, don't fucking watch the team. Simple as that.

But considering the team's he'd likely be dealt to, that 3rd round pick is almost a 4th - they'll be picking in the last quarter of the round.

[ceebz]

According to Glazer, Gonzo's worth a 2nd and a 5th.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8661522/These-trades-wouldn%27t-be-a-bad-idea

[The Franchise]

What about the Giant's 2nd and 5th that they got in the Shockey trade from the Saints? It's basically Tony Gonzales for Jeremy Shockey straight up.

[Brock]

And I think this is where we might disagree. What's the value of a once great, now very, very good player who has 2-3 years left on a terrible ****ing team?

IMO, this team would be best served in the long run with receiving a 3rd. Again, this assumes you don't **** up the pick, and we all know this score...

Any PR hit will be neatly resolved when Carl is shown the door in a couple of months.

He's worth a lot more to the Chiefs than he is to anybody else. They're basically saying Gonzalez=Shockey, which is a goddamn joke.

[OnTheWarpath15]

According to Glazer, Gonzo's worth a 2nd and a 5th.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8661522/These-trades-wouldn%27t-be-a-bad-idea

At least Glazer is honest about it...

So as we approach another trade deadline that will likely come and go without so much as a peep, I've decided to spice things up a bit with my own personal view of activity I'd love to see come to fruition. None of them have much of a chance of happening and a few are definitely coming out of left field, but that's what makes my little trade fantasy list fun.

[Direckshun]

I would put his value at a 3rd and a 6th.

[MIAdragon]

According to Glazer, Gonzo's worth a 2nd and a 5th.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8661522/These-trades-wouldn%27t-be-a-bad-idea

Id be stoked if it went down like that.

[Demonpenz]

gonzo is worth alot more on a good team where he can stretch the field with our offense we mine as well not have anyone running routes

[DeezNutz]

I could care less about the PR hit. If people don't like it, don't ****ing watch the team. Simple as that.

But considering the team's he'd likely be dealt to, that 3rd round pick is almost a 4th - they'll be picking in the last quarter of the round.

Good point about being late in the round.

But with these types of situations, fans should ask themselves, "What do the best teams do?" Most don't keep old players and they try to get something in return. Why wouldn't we want the Chiefs to do the same?

If the offer is shit, move on. But a legit. offer, like if the idiot on the Net is right about a 2nd and 5th, should have been accepted yesterday.

[ceebz]

I still hold out for a first though. You're trading the face of your franchise, and this move makes the Giants the unquestionable favorite in a brutal NFC.

Since when is a trip to the Super Bowl not worth a 1st round pick?

[Direckshun]

Id be stoked if it went down like that.

I'd be more stoked for Gonzalez, more than anything.

[MIAdragon]

I'd be more stoked for Gonzalez, more than anything.

Im with you.

[OnTheWarpath15]

He's worth a lot more to the Chiefs than he is to anybody else. They're basically saying Gonzalez=Shockey, which is a goddamn joke.

Sentimentally, yeah, he's worth more to us than anyone else.

But he's physically worth WAY more to a team that could very realistically be hoisting their 2nd straight Lombardi Trophy come February 2009.

You can't give him away, but if someone makes a solid offer, it's what's best for the future of the franchise, IMO.

What has a better chance of happening:

a) Tony Gonzalez helping this team win a Super Bowl in the next 2-3 years?

b) The draft pick we received as compensation helping this team win a Super Bowl in the next 5-10 years?

I know, both are longshots. But option A has ZERO chance of happening.

[Dave Lane]

I'd hold out for the #1 or the #2.

A #1 or a 2 and a 4. Anything else is retarded especially from the Giants since the 1st rounder will be like a 2nd...

Dave

[Brock]

But with these types of situations, fans should ask themselves, "What do the best teams do?" Most don't keep old players and they try to get something in return. Why wouldn't we want the Chiefs to do the same?

If Gonzalez contract was almost up, you might have a point.

[DeezNutz]

He's worth a lot more to the Chiefs than he is to anybody else. They're basically saying Gonzalez=Shockey, which is a goddamn joke.

Worth in what sense?

From a wins and losses perspective, I don't think he makes a damn bit of difference. This team sucks. If it's 4-12 with Gonzo or 2-14 without him, I'd take the latter because it means we're closer to getting rid of the clowns in charge AND we're getting (or should be getting) better players in the draft.

[DeezNutz]

If Gonzalez contract was almost up, you might have a point.

He's going to play at a high level for 2 maybe 3 more years, assuming he doesn't get injured. Will this team compete at a high level during this period? His contract length doesn't matter.

[suds79]

This is one of the few times where I'd support a deal even if we don't necessarily get fair market value. And that's purely because Tony has put in the work and deserves a chance to play for a winner.

Now the more we could gash a team of draft picks the better but I'm in support of the deal.

[DaKCMan AP]

Unless a team gives up way too much value, then fuck that. More than likely a team wouldn't give more than a 2nd and Tony is worth more on the field than a 2nd.

As far as "Tony deserves better" - bullshit. He signed a contract to stay here and is making a boatload of money.

[Brock]

Worth in what sense?

From a wins and losses perspective, I don't think he makes a damn bit of difference. This team sucks. If it's 4-12 with Gonzo or 2-14 without him, I'd take the latter because it means we're closer to getting rid of the clowns in charge AND we're getting (or should be getting) better players in the draft.

Well, I'm not really into playing for draft position. If you are, I guess that's okay. Croyle, or whoever the Chiefs draft at QB next year won't be thanking Carl for this deal.

[DeezNutz]

I understand where everyone's coming from who claims that Tony "deserves" to play for a winner.

But **** that. I deserve to cheer for a ****ing winner, too. Hope in one hand, shit in the other...

[DeezNutz]

Well, I'm not really into playing for draft position. If you are, I guess that's okay. Croyle, or whoever the Chiefs draft at QB next year won't be thanking Carl for this deal.

All I'm talking about is what's best for the franchise in the long term. I want to win as much as anyone, but this team is just not set to compete right now, for a number of different reasons.

[aturnis]

I think just b/c the Giants got a 2nd and 5th for Shockey, and are making a run at another SB, the ball is in the Chiefs court. It should either be the 2nd and 5th that they got for Shockey(apparently he, who produces less even now, was worth that), or the 2nd at least. Giants would still make out good, and have essentially a free 5th rounder.

[Demonpenz]

Tony is also due for a large injury

[MIAdragon]

I understand where everyone's coming from who claim that Tony "deserves" to play for a winner.

But **** that. I deserve to cheer for a ****ing winner, too. Hope in one hand, shit in the other...

I get you, but what is Tony going to do in his last few years here? We wont be anywhere near good by the time the game has passed him by. Let get something of value for him while we still can, and the byproduct of that is allowing Tony a chance at a ring.

[FAX]

I would want Gonzo to get a ring, no question. But, if he goes, I'll never forgive Herm Edwards.

FAX

[Sure-Oz]

If you scroll down in that article it also mentions Derek Anderson to the Chiefs, knowing our luck we'd flip that 2nd and 5th for him

[RustShack]

Tony is also due for a large injury

:shake:

[DeezNutz]

I get you, but what is Tony going to do in his last few years here? We wont be anywhere near good by the time the game has passed him by. Let get something of value for him while we still can, and the byproduct of that is allowing Tony a chance at a ring.

We're on the same side. If a good offer is on the table, it would be stupid not to take it because our winner is a year or two down the road, when Gonzo isn't going to be the player he is today.

[talastan]

If you scroll down in that article it also mentions Derek Anderson to the Chiefs, knowing our luck we'd flip that 2nd and 5th for him

**** that :cuss: Let's use the pick in the draft!! We can pick up a pretty decent QB, and even a decent O-Lineman, or DE. Don't spend picks on a freaking QB that is about to lose his starting position on a team that went 10-6 just last year. He is one of the main reasons the Browns are 1-4 right now.

[DeezNutz]

If you scroll down in that article it also mentions Derek Anderson to the Chiefs, knowing our luck we'd flip that 2nd and 5th for him

That would be classic Carl. The true F U to the fans on the way out the door.

[OnTheWarpath15]

You know, Carl is a retard, but let's take off the hate goggles and look at this objectively.

Do any of you HONESTLY think that Carl is actively looking to trade Tony?

If he IS traded, it will be because he ASKED to be traded, and the organization followed through on his request.

Yet this entire town and fanbase will crucify Carl Peterson for it.

Carl already has two nails in his cross. What's the harm in adding another?

If you scroll down in that article it also mentions Derek Anderson to the Chiefs, knowing our luck we'd flip that 2nd and 5th for him


WHERE THE FUCK ARE THOSE NAILS?

[Chiefs Pantalones]

I hope Tony gets his much deserved Super Bowl trophy. Whoever we trade him to (hopefully we trade him) I will be rooting for them to win it all this year.

[Otter]

Hopefully Tony is demanding to be traded quietly in the background, Carl doesn't work with him and he goes public.or just sits out. If if Herm is fired this off season all Carl is going to do is find a another person he likes as opposed to the best available coach.

Fuck that cock sucker Peterson, he has to go.

On the bright side if TG is traded to the Giants I'll actually watch a football game this year and probably have a desire to buy tickets. It would be nice to root for a winner.

[chiefsngop]

A rebuild by competent officials should only take 3 years max.

You mean to tell me that TG couldn't play @ a high level just 2 years from now if it meant a real run @ the super bowl ??

Oh wait, I said a rebuild by competent officials. In reality TG would have to be in tip top shape 7 or 8 years from now.......

Damn, Herm and Carl are gonna cost us Tony. :cuss:

[CoMoChief]

Im banking Coffman getting drafted by KC if we can get that extra 2nd rounder.

[ClevelandBronco]

If Sr. Gonzalez is traded, do the Chiefs get to stay in the NFL?

[DeezNutz]

If Sr. Gonzalez is traded, do the Chiefs get to stay in the NFL?

Just barely, primarily because of the win against the Donks. Oh wait, is that your team? :D

[RustShack]

Im banking Coffman getting drafted by KC if we can get that extra 2nd rounder.

We have other needs besides TE, we also drafted two TE's last year...

[Sure-Oz]

Coffman is a beast, always take best player available, which = shit for us

[suds79]

We have other needs besides TE, we also drafted two TE's last year...

Exactly.

Honestly? As much as I'm so glad we've had him, I've felt for a while now that Tony is in large part why we haven't ever been able to develop a strong receiving core.

With Tony gone, outside of D Bowe the QBs will have no other choice but to throw the ball over to the other side where I'll bet some one emerges.

Anyways, that's besides the point. Tony's value will never again be higher than it is now. This team isn't going anywhere. It makes sense to deal him.

[RustShack]

We don't throw to anyone but Bowe or RB's anyways.

[Micjones]

I wonder how Clark Hunt would feel about Tony being moved off this roster?

If that expedites the firing of Peterson/Edwards and their merry band of idiots I'd take it.

[suds79]

We don't throw to anyone but Bowe or RB's anyways.

Ah you're right. Who was I kidding? :doh!:

[WilliamTheIrish]

Good point about being late in the round.

But with these types of situations, fans should ask themselves, "What do the best teams do?" Most don't keep old players and they try to get something in return. Why wouldn't we want the Chiefs to do the same?

If the offer is shit, move on. But a legit. offer, like if the idiot on the Net is right about a 2nd and 5th, should have been accepted yesterday.

Since you asked. The best teams don't sign aging stars to huge contracts. But this organization certainly doesn't qualify as "best" anything.

[CoMoChief]

Exactly.

Honestly? As much as I'm so glad we've had him, I've felt for a while now that Tony is in large part why we haven't ever been able to develop a strong receiving core.


WTF are you serious? :eek: If anything having TonyG is the reason why Kennison was so productive......why Boerigtor was good while he played and so on.

He took defeners away from other people.

[keg in kc]

If it's for a high enough pick, I'm all for it.

[DeezNutz]

Since you asked. The best teams don't sign aging stars to huge contracts. But this organization certainly doesn't qualify as "best" anything.

That's exactly right.

[RustShack]

Word on the street is Croyle will try to get the ball to Will Franklin more though...

[ClevelandBronco]

Just barely, primarily because of the win against the Donks. Oh wait, is that your team? :D

Yeah. I follow the 4-1 Broncos.

Enjoy Carl and Herm getting off the hook with that win. It was worth the loss. :D

[Sully]

First Kris Wilson...now this?

[Micjones]

Honestly? As much as I'm so glad we've had him, I've felt for a while now that Tony is in large part why we haven't ever been able to develop a strong receiving core.

Excellent point.

We've relied so heavily on him that having competent #2 and #3 Receivers has been deemed unnecessary.

Another reason why they should all be pinkslipped.

[teedubya]

How fucking depressing is this fucking team? Good Lord.

[Fish]

The Chiefs could have a hard time selling jerseys with this Logan's Run philosophy....

:BLVD:

[Spott]

I never thought I'd feel this way about him being traded, but my heart sunk when I heard that report.

Tony Gonzalez IS Chiefs football.

And how much worse would this offense be without him?

Well, we just scored 0 points with him last week, so it's not like we can score negative points without him.

[FAX]

TG has held back the development of our WRs?

Please remove the neuron inhibitor prior to posting.

FAX

[FAX]

Hell, who else is good on this team? LJ? Waters? Let's get rid of them all!!!!

FAX

[ClevelandBronco]

How ****ing depressing is this ****ing team? Good Lord.

The Chiefs are something like the Dow Jones Industrial Average of the NFL.

Y'know? That may not be true. The Dow will inevitably rise again.

[Hammock Parties]

Fuck these assholes trading anyone. Get the hell out of town. Let the next regime decide what to do with our marquee players.

[Psyko Tek]

does this mean I have to put my MCFarlane figure away?

[DeezNutz]

Yeah. I follow the 4-1 Broncos.

Enjoy Carl and Herm getting off the hook with that win. It was worth the loss. :D

Kill yourself. /Hamas/

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Hopefully we get a 2nd and a 5th..

[Fish]

Disposable Chiefs jerseys.... Discount price! Jersey evaporates after the season is over making for hands free clean up! And good for the environment. Call now.

[ClevelandBronco]

Kill yourself. /Hamas/

It's on my list.

My list is pretty long.

If you could ship some antifreeze to a P.O. box, we might get on the same page.

[DeezNutz]

It's on my list.

My list is pretty long.

If you could ship some antifreeze to a P.O. box, we might get on the same page.

I'd send some of my stock, but, if your joke about Herm and Carl proves true, I'm afraid I'll be needing it.

[Bowser]

How pissed would LJ be if this trade went down? HE is the one that wants to be in New York, rollin with Jay-Z and livin' the life.

Hell with it. Trade them both to the Giants.

[Reerun_KC]

Herm I hate you...

[Valiant]

We should get atleast a 2nd rounder, the guy can still play, he has no QB to get him teh ball. His skills haven't diminished that bad

IF it is to a Super Bowl contender it better be their 1st.. The giants would probably net us 28-32nd in the 1st round..

[Valiant]

Exactly.

Honestly? As much as I'm so glad we've had him, I've felt for a while now that Tony is in large part why we haven't ever been able to develop a strong receiving core.

With Tony gone, outside of D Bowe the QBs will have no other choice but to throw the ball over to the other side where I'll bet some one emerges.

Anyways, that's besides the point. Tony's value will never again be higher than it is now. This team isn't going anywhere. It makes sense to deal him.

Really?? I thought we do not throw to those guys because they have always sucked ass, run the wrong routes, bad hands or no separation..

[blaise]

The fact that they're even shopping him tells you all you need to know about what they think of Croyle.
If they thought Croyle could develop into a quality starting QB they'd want Tony there for him to throw to this year. They're pretty much done evaulating him.
This tells me they've given up on Croyle, they don't care what happens to him this year, if he keeps getting the snot kicked out of him that's fine. They're trying to accumulate as many draft picks as they can in case they like a QB and want to move up to get him.

[OnTheWarpath15]

The fact that they're even shopping him tells you all you need to know about what they think of Croyle.
If they thought Croyle could develop into a quality starting QB they'd want Tony there for him to throw to this year. They're pretty much done evaulating him.
This tells me they've given up on Croyle, they don't care what happens to him this year, if he keeps getting the snot kicked out of him that's fine. They're trying to accumulate as many draft picks as they can in case they like a QB and want to move up to get him.

Really? They are shopping him?

Looks to me like they are TAKING calls, not making them...

[blaise]

Yeah, they're sitting by and waiting for the phone to ring. That's PR. If he wasn't being made available nobdoy would be calling.

[FAX]

The Chiefs are something like the Dow Jones Industrial Average of the NFL.

Y'know? That may not be true. The Dow will inevitably rise again.

You goat fans have taught me a valuable life lesson, Mr. ClevelandBronco.

Not everyone kicks you while you're down.

Some people wait until you try to get up first.

FAX

[Micjones]

TG has held back the development of our WRs?

Please remove the neuron inhibitor prior to posting.

FAX

I think you're oversimplifying.

Having such an uber-productive Tight End, in my humble opinion, has made having reliable #2's and #3's less important to Chiefs Brass. He's been like a #1 so drafting or signing a big-time FA Receiver wasn't as vital to the success of our offenses over the years.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Yeah, they're sitting by and waiting for the phone to ring. That's PR. If he wasn't being made available nobdoy would be calling.

If he played for a good team, I'd agree with you.

No one would be calling, because it makes no sense to move him.

Are you not seeing the connection between all these players that are rumored to be dealt?

Gonzalez, Roy Williams, TJ, Leonard Little.

All play on terrible teams.



Christ, the same rule applies even in fantasy football.

The guy with the strong team is trying to rape the weak team by offering depth for a superstar - knowing the guy is desperate - and the weak owner knowing the trade would be good for him long term - he almost has to take it.

[FAX]

I can't believe some of you guys can be so cavalier about trading Gonzo. Other than DT, he's the best player we've had in the last 40 years. And now, because the franchise has screwed things to such an extent, he'll retire in a different uniform. If this isn't justification for a complete fan revolt, I don't know what is.

FAX

[FAX]

I think you're oversimplifying.

Having such an uber-productive Tight End, in my humble opinion, has made having reliable #2's and #3's less important to Chiefs Brass. He's been like a #1 so drafting or signing a big-time FA Receiver wasn't as vital to the success of our offenses over the years.

Ah. I can see that point, Mr. Micjones. I thought you meant Gonzo held back our WR corps "developmentally". My oopsies if I misinterpreted your intent.

If your post was solely in regard to drafting, I have to agree with you.

FAX

[KChiefs1]

I hope it's true. Tony deserves better than to end his career playing for these ****ing retards. And we could certainly whatever picks we get for him.

IMHO...It's a win/win for everyone involved.

[blaise]

Even if it is the other team initiating the call, the impression I get is that the Chiefs are at the minumum, interested. Assuming that (which I do, that's my opinion- you can differ on that) the Chiefs aren't worried about TG being there for Croyle. If they're not worried about him being there for Croyle then they're not really worried about this alleged "evaluation" they're doing.
If they really wanted to see what he could do, and they really believed he was good they'd want TG there.
I think they've given up on him for their future plans (other than maybe a long term backup).

[DeezNutz]

I can't believe some of you guys can be so cavalier about trading Gonzo. Other than DT, he's the best player we've had in the last 40 years. And now, because the franchise has screwed things to such an extent, he'll retire in a different uniform. If this isn't justification for a complete fan revolt, I don't know what is.

FAX

It seems to happen so often, Mr. Fax, that I'm indifferent to the retiring in a different jersey thing. If Montana can wear #19, I'd say Gonzo, maybe the best TE in history, could wear a blue #84, or whatever.

He'll go into the Hall as a Chief. At least I'd hope...not doing this would be completely goofed up.

[Micjones]

I can't believe some of you guys can be so cavalier about trading Gonzo. Other than DT, he's the best player we've had in the last 40 years. And now, because the franchise has screwed things to such an extent, he'll retire in a different uniform. If this isn't justification for a complete fan revolt, I don't know what is.

FAX

The idea of it is definitely disheartening. To say the very least.

[Micjones]

Ah. I can see that point, Mr. Micjones. I thought you meant Gonzo held back our WR corps "developmentally". My oopsies if I misinterpreted your intent.

If your post was solely in regard to drafting, I have to agree with you.

FAX

I can't take credit for that point (though I do agree whole-heartedly).
Suds79 deserves the credit.

[dirk digler]

I can't believe some of you guys can be so cavalier about trading Gonzo. Other than DT, he's the best player we've had in the last 40 years. And now, because the franchise has screwed things to such an extent, he'll retire in a different uniform. If this isn't justification for a complete fan revolt, I don't know what is.

FAX

I agree Fax and I am shocked that possible CP is even thinking about this.

[blaise]

I don't see the big deal. It reminds me of when the Bruins traded Ray Bourque. He was a Hall of Fame type player, he was the face of the franchise, he was beloved in Boston when they traded him to the Avalanche. Then he won the Stanley Cup. For the most part Bruins fans were happy for him. There was no real animosity.
I'm not from here, and I'm not a lifelong Chiefs fan so I can't totally relate but I don't see the big deal.

[aturnis]

They're trying to accumulate as many draft picks as they can in case they like a QB and want to move up to get him.

Why would they need to move up to get anyone?

[evolve27]

Why would they need to move up to get anyone?

The Rams, Lions, and Bengals are bad, real bad.

[Frankie]

Boal said on 810 this morning that the Eagles called about TG and Carl hung up before hearing an offer.

The Eagles have just lost their RB. They need to call us about LJ, not TG.

[chiefs1111]

Well, we just scored 0 points with him last week, so it's not like we can score negative points without him.

You wouldn't think so,but trust me Herm will find a way.

[Shag]

The fact that they're even shopping him tells you all you need to know about what they think of Croyle.
If they thought Croyle could develop into a quality starting QB they'd want Tony there for him to throw to this year. They're pretty much done evaulating him.
This tells me they've given up on Croyle, they don't care what happens to him this year, if he keeps getting the snot kicked out of him that's fine. They're trying to accumulate as many draft picks as they can in case they like a QB and want to move up to get him.

I think that's a bit of a stretch. If the front office is indeed looking to move TG, my guess is that it's because they've realized how far this team needs to go, as a whole, to be competitive. At absolute best, the Chiefs are 2 years from competing for a playoff spot, most likely longer. TG will offer little value by the time that happens, so if they can get good value that will help the team more long term, they'll take it.

I'd hate to see TG leave, but if it does happen, I hope he goes to a team with a legit shot at a championship.

[LOCOChief]

Maybe the rams, but the bungholes have Palmer and they have needs on the other side of the ball. come to think of it we do also.

[Shag]

The Eagles have just lost their RB. They need to call us about LJ, not TG.

LJ doesn't really fit the Philly offense - he's vastly different than Westbrook and Buckhalter, and how they like to use their backs...

[Frankie]

He's someone the defense has to account for.
And he takes pressure off of Bowe.

With no one to protect Bowe...
Who in the hell will catch passes for this team?

Jamaal Charles?

Plus if somehow Croyle stays healthy. TG could be his best friend. I'd rather see TG traded AFTER this season, unless the offer is uncommonly too good to pass up.

[Micjones]

Plus if somehow Croyle stays healthy. TG could be his best friend. I'd rather see TG traded AFTER this season, unless the offer is uncommonly too good to pass up.

I'd rather Bowe be Croyle's best friend since I know Tony's on short time, but he's no less valuable.

[Frankie]

I want Tony to be here when we turn it around. I think he could be a high caliber TE for another 4-5 yrs.

That would not surprise me. The way I've heard he takes care of himself, he could be the Brett Favre of TEs.

[Frankie]

If you trade Gonzo....you might as well eat the cap hit and trade LJ right now as well.

I say trade LJ's ass if there's a reasonable offer out there for him anyway. We should take the cap hit now that we can.

[PastorMikH]

I wonder how Clark Hunt would feel about Tony being moved off this roster?

If that expedites the firing of Peterson/Edwards and their merry band of idiots I'd take it.



If Clark isn't in the loop enough to know that Tony is on the block, he's too out of the loop to care what Carl even does.



Part of me is wondering if Tony's speaking out behind closed doors questioning Herm. Didn't take Trent long to get out of town once he started voicing his opinion on the state of the offense.

[PastorMikH]

Sad thing about trading Tony is, even if we get a 1st rounder, it won't be a high pick. Any team that can give us a pick high enough in the first to be worth it IMO isn't going to make it to the playoffs this year anyway which means Tony won't go for the trade.

[Tribal Warfare]

If Clark isn't in the loop enough to know that Tony is on the block, he's too out of the loop to care what Carl even does.




If I was Tony, I would go straight to Clark and explain his situation then ask for a trade and bypassing the King Carl BS.

[Frankie]

If we find a team that would trade him for a 2nd, i would do it in a heartbeat, he is only gonna play 2 maybe 3 more years tops. Do him a favor and give him a chance to win

My heart agrees with you, but my head says there are other HOFers who retired without a ring. Guys like Dan Marino. Tony's value to this team and Croyle (assuming he lasts the rest of the season) is immeasurable.

[FAX]

It seems to happen so often, Mr. Fax, that I'm indifferent to the retiring in a different jersey thing. If Montana can wear #19, I'd say Gonzo, maybe the best TE in history, could wear a blue #84, or whatever.

He'll go into the Hall as a Chief. At least I'd hope...not doing this would be completely goofed up.

Yeah ... I know, Mr. DeezNutz. It's silly to feel the way I do and I know it.

Still, I'd much rather that Gonzo spend his entire career as a Chief ... which he would have been able to do had it not been for our front office.

FAX

[FAX]

My heart agrees with you, but my head says there are other HOFers who retired without a ring. Guys like Dan Marino. Tony's value to this team and Croyle (assuming he lasts the rest of the season) is immeasurable.

The thing is, though, if Gonzo wants out and another team offers significant value and Carl doesn't trade him, he's going to be pissed off as all get out and then some, Mr. Frankie. That doesn't do the team much good.

FAX

[Frankie]

I'd hold out for the #1 or the #2.

If division rivals Eagles and Giants both have a hard on for him, why not a 1?

[DeezNutz]

Yeah ... I know, Mr. DeezNutz. It's silly to feel the way I do and I know it.

Still, I'd much rather that Gonzo spend his entire career as a Chief ... which he would have been able to do had it not been for our front office.

FAX

I don't disagree with the sentiment that you've expressed. Gonzo is still a very productive player, and, if we were fans of a competently run franchise, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

[Lonewolf Ed]

He's someone the defense has to account for.
And he takes pressure off of Bowe.

With no one to protect Bowe...
Who in the hell will catch passes for this team?

Jamaal Charles?

Just call him the next Kimble Anders.

[SBK]

Yeah. I follow the 4-1 Broncos.



You may be 4-1 but I know for sure that "we bettah den you pahtnah...":D

[chiefs1111]

Carl would do something dumb like trade Tony for a sack of footballs and a couple Jock straps or something like that

[KcMizzou]

I haven't read the whole thread. Heard a bit on 610 during my lunch break today (they never gave a source)... and there was no mention of it on 810.

Is there anything to indicate that there's any truth to this?

[Hammock Parties]

I haven't read the whole thread. Heard a bit on 610 during my lunch break today (they never gave a source)... and there was no mention of it on 810.

Is there anything to indicate that there's any truth to this?

There's definitely substance to the report.

[sedated]

There's definitely substance to the report.

thanks bernstein

[KcMizzou]

thanks bernstein:D Nice.

[Brianfo]

Anyone that even remotely wants to trade Tony Gonzalez is a dumbass. He is the face of the franchise and the best home-grown player since DT. There are some things you never do, and trading the best Chiefs player in the last 15 years is one of them. Trade away LJ. He is a bitch. Tony is a pro's pro.

Edit: If he requests a trade, then by all means try and get it done.

[sedated]

what's worse - trading a 32 year old hall of fame TE, or trading a 26 year old DE who so far was on his way to a hall of fame career?

doing both in the same year?

[TEX]

Anyone that even remotely wants to trade Tony Gonzalez is a dumbass. He is the face of the franchise and the best home-grown player since DT. There are some things you never do, and trading the best Chiefs player in the last 15 years is one of them. Trade away LJ. He is a bitch. Tony is a pro's pro.

Edit: If he requests a trade, then by all means try and get it done.


:clap: :clap: :clap:

[OnTheWarpath15]

what's worse - trading a 32 year old hall of fame TE, or trading a 26 year old DE who so far was on his way to a hall of fame career?

doing both in the same year?

Jared Allen?

HOFer?

You need to lay off the drugs.

[Brianfo]

what's worse - trading a 32 year old hall of fame TE, or trading a 26 year old DE who so far was on his way to a hall of fame career?

doing both in the same year?

If you think Jared is a HOF, I get some Ocean-front property for you. How can you even compare the 2. TG is lock for the HOF, and arguably the best TE EVER!!! JA is one drink away from a has been. Have you watched any VIQUEENS games??

[FAX]

This is depressing. I'm going to go outside and kick the neighbor's dog.

FAX

[OnTheWarpath15]

This is depressing. I'm going to go outside and kick the neighbor's dog.

FAX

Watching the Preds game Mr. FAX?

You might want to kick two dogs...

[mdstu]

Looks like the Donkeys were trying to acquire a murderer.
Per fanball.com/newsbreakers

[FAX]

If I was Tony, I would go straight to Clark and explain his situation then ask for a trade and bypassing the King Carl BS.

Well, if he's going to do that, can he just tell Clark that he'll demand a trade unless Carl and Herm are fired? That would be the best of all possible deals.

Make it happen, Gonzo!

FAX

[pr_capone]

Well... the good thing is that we will know if this is just rumor or true by next Tuesday.

[FAX]

Well... the good thing is that we will know if this is just rumor or true by next Tuesday.

If he leaves, do you think that the average Chiefs fan will be pissed, Mr. pr_capone?

FAX

[MIAdragon]

If he leaves, do you think that the average Chiefs fan will be pissed, Mr. pr_capone?

FAX

how many times can you be kicked in the nads till it doesn’t phase you anymore mr. fax? Id imagine we're about there.

[Frankie]

This is depressing. I'm going to go outside and kick the neighbor's dog.

FAX

I wish you were here Mr. FAX. My neighbor's 2 little sh!t-dogs yap 24-7. She never takes them for a walk. Just kicks'em out the backdoor 6 am. You are welcome to come here and take your depression out on them.

[MIAdragon]

I wish you were here Mr. FAX. My neighbor's 2 little sh!t-dogs yap 24-7. She never takes them for a walk. Just kicks'em out the backdoor 6 am. You are welcome to come here and take your depression out on them.

Come on now you know what to do.

http://www.centrecountyrecycles.com/Recycle/AutoWaste/images/Afreezecolor.jpg

[DJ's left nut]

For Tony's sake, I hope the rumor is true.

In all honesty, it would help the Chiefs long term as well.

It'll suck for a little while from a fan's perspective, but in the end I think it will be for the best.

[Frankie]

Come on now you know what to do.

http://www.centrecountyrecycles.com/Recycle/AutoWaste/images/Afreezecolor.jpg

I'd rather higher a hitman. Mr. FAX has just announced his qualifications.

[MIAdragon]

I'd rather higher a hitman. Mr. FAX has just announced his qualifications.

I think Fax said he's more of a kickman

[chiefs1111]

In the end I doubt it will matter cause I don't think Tony is going anywhere

[pr_capone]

If he leaves, do you think that the average Chiefs fan will be pissed, Mr. pr_capone?

FAX

To be honest... I don't believe so. While many, especially on this board, will disagree vehemently over whether or not it was the right move... at the end of the day we have too many other things to be pissed about to really be truly angry at seeing Gonzo The Magnificent go to another team.

Especially if he gets to the Superbowl.

I also don't believe that CP has the stones to trade Tony on his own. If Tony leaves KC, I believe it will be because he requested the trade.

[FAX]

Oh ... no question that Gonzo would initiate the deal. Undoubtedly. I also believe 100 percent that he wants to be as far away from Herm as possible. Maybe further.

I guess you guys are right, though. By now, who really gives a sh*t. I'll be back in a minute. Spot's still moving.

FAX

[DJ's left nut]

I also don't believe that CP has the stones to trade Tony on his own. If Tony leaves KC, I believe it will be because he requested the trade.

And I don't believe for a minute that CP could resist the urge to take a few shots at him on the way out of town.

[Frankie]

I think Fax said he's more of a kickman

That's good enough. Mr FAX's talent goes back to his previous life as depicted here on this recently unearthed ancient relief.
http://science.kukuchew.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/dog_kick.JPG

[FAX]

To be honest... I don't believe so. While many, especially on this board, will disagree vehemently over whether or not it was the right move... at the end of the day we have too many other things to be pissed about to really be truly angry at seeing Gonzo The Magnificent go to another team.

Especially if he gets to the Superbowl.

I also don't believe that CP has the stones to trade Tony on his own. If Tony leaves KC, I believe it will be because he requested the trade.

Just following up ... Planeteers aren't representative of the average Chiefs fan - are they?

Anyway, it seems to me that the average Chiefs fan would feel that we lost our last connection to the days when we had a good team. Plus, as has been said, in many respects Gonzo is the face of the franchise. I would think that it would sting a little.

FAX

[Frankie]

In the end I doubt it will matter cause I don't think Tony is going anywhere

What does this have to do with Mr. FAX being a kickman?

[MIAdragon]

What does this have to do with Mr. FAX being a kickman?

ROFL

[FAX]

Did you guys know that an Aussie is somewhat aerodynamic?

FAX

[Frankie]

Did you guys know that an Aussie is somewhat aerodynamic?

FAX

I don't see it.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/itconservative/Rrs4xn_qNvI/AAAAAAAAAEo/IcTOrF-WLC0/erin-mcnaught2.jpg

[pr_capone]

Just following up ... Planeteers aren't representative of the average Chiefs fan - are they?

Anyway, it seems to me that the average Chiefs fan would feel that we lost our last connection to the days when we had a good team. Plus, as has been said, in many respects Gonzo is the face of the franchise. I would think that it would sting a little.

FAX

I don't disagree that it will sting... I just don't see waves of Chiefs fans descending upon Arrowhead with pikes demanding Carl's head on a platter either.

As for Planeteers being representative of the average fan.... I believe so. At least the ardent ones. I give credit to Chiefs fans for, in my humble opinion, being some of the more knowledgeable fans in the NFL. I think that we as Chiefs fans relate closely to Cornhusker fans.... we each follow our team intently because there is not much else to do. :D

[OnTheWarpath15]

I don't disagree that it will sting... I just don't see waves of Chiefs fans descending upon Arrowhead with pikes demanding Carl's head on a platter either.

As for Planeteers being representative of the average fan.... I believe so. At least the ardent ones. I give credit to Chiefs fans for, in my humble opinion, being some of the more knowledgeable fans in the NFL. I think that we as Chiefs fans relate closely to Cornhusker fans.... we each follow our team intently because there is not much else to do. :D

You don't actually go to the games, do you?

[pr_capone]

You don't actually go to the games, do you?

lol

yeah, I do.

perhaps my view of the fans has been jaded by my time on the board?

[OnTheWarpath15]

lol

yeah, I do.

perhaps my view of the fans has been jaded by my time on the board?

JMO, but yes.

About the only knowledgeable fans I've seen at Arrowhead are the people I know from this place.

Jesus, the people that sat in 312 last year make KCJ's football IQ look like Bill fucking Walsh's.

[FAX]

I don't see it.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/itconservative/Rrs4xn_qNvI/AAAAAAAAAEo/IcTOrF-WLC0/erin-mcnaught2.jpg

Well, I'm not saying one could handle a non-stop, trans-Atlantic job, Mr. Frankie. But, when you boot one high enough, they do sail pretty darn well for a land animal. I'm guessing the longish fur catches the wind currents and provides some lift.

FAX

[HemiEd]

If it isn't a first rounder, the answer should be NO.

I agree Brock, he is only 32 IIRC.

[MIAdragon]

I agree Brock, he is only 32 IIRC.

Correct.

[HemiEd]

If Clark isn't in the loop enough to know that Tony is on the block, he's too out of the loop to care what Carl even does.



Part of me is wondering if Tony's speaking out behind closed doors questioning Herm. Didn't take Trent long to get out of town once he started voicing his opinion on the state of the offense.

You hit that one out of the park Pastor, grand slam.

[Hammock Parties]

I think I'm gonna go pick up Eli Manning for my fantasy team.

[HemiEd]

what's worse - trading a 32 year old hall of fame TE, or trading a 26 year old DE who so far was on his way to a hall of fame career?

doing both in the same year?

No fucking shit. :spock:

[HemiEd]

For Tony's sake, I hope the rumor is true.

In all honesty, it would help the Chiefs long term as well.

It'll suck for a little while from a fan's perspective, but in the end I think it will be for the best.

Yep no problem, the draft picks will be awesome, because Herm is picking. We have Hali Damnit!

[Boris The Great]

Part of me is wondering if Tonys speaking out behind closed doors questioning Herm.

Tony is speaking out in public to question Herm. But the issue is, he isnt questioning what is best for the Chiefs, he is questioning whats best for Tony Gonzalez.

The writing was on the wall the second Tony left the locker room in a huff after the Chiefs finally WON a game. Even Shannon Sharpe said Tony never should have done that, and when you are making Shannon look smart, you know you messed up.

Gonzalez has been a great player and one of the best Chiefs ever. But the guy has already said he would retire THIS year if he won a Super Bowl. He is ready to go live on the beach for 10 years and his only focus is his own agenda, not anything with the team.

If they can get something good for him, they should absolutely do it. And they should move LJ while they are in a trading mood.

[HemiEd]

And they should move LJ while they are in a trading mood.

Getting rid od Lj would make it easier to swallow, but I still don't want to see Tony go. He is known quality. Herm could draft a Sims, Medloc or Hali with the pick.

[BigRock]

Can anyone explain why the Giants of all teams would want to trade for Tony? Shockey went down 2-3 weeks before the playoffs, they still won the Super Bowl, they're currently undefeated, and their offense is leading the league in both yards and points per game. Boss isn't a superstar, but is there some big hole in their offense that he isn't filling?

[Boris The Great]

I still dont want to see Tony go. He is known quality. Herm could draft a Sims, Medloc or Hali with the pick.

But for how many more years is he a known quality? Two? He has only committed to playing one more year after this season. And we could make a bad pick, or we could get a Bowe or a Branden Albert. Or Flowers or Carr or someone else who was a good pick. That is the risk of trading somebody. Trading Gonzalez is far less risky than trading Allen was. Actually, it isnt really a risk at all.

The only drawback to trading him is the sentimental reasons.

[Boris The Great]

click here to read my take on this mess at KCSportsRant.com

I clicked there. Nothing happened. What a ripoff.

[KcMizzou]

I don't wanna see Tony traded... because he's fuckin' Tony G.

He's the Chiefs version of George Brett for me.

Call me selfish... I want him to be a Chief.

[Nightfyre]

click here to read my take on this mess at KCSportsRant.com

Just another failed attempt at blogging. :shake:

[blueballs]

If he got traded now and won a SB this year
I don't see how he would feel like he really deserved the ring
it would feel cheap and 1/2 a season clunky -but that's just me

[beach tribe]

I have not read this thread, and am drunk as hell, But this team has NOT shown the ability to pick a player worth a 36 yr old Gonzalez in th e2nd or 3rd. They trade him for anything less than a 1st, then they've shown me that they don't think that he could be a contributor when they get this thing in the POs. Which is absolutely retarded. In the NFL, with thr picks we will have, and the cap space available ther is NO REASON why we can't turn it around. by 2009. If This happens, I'm done with this franchise period until carl, and herm are gone. PERIOD. I will shock my friends, and family, if we trade Tony for anything less than a 1st. I will shun the chiefs. I'm not fukin kidding.

[penguinz]

I have not read this thread, and am drunk as hell, But this team has NOT shown the ability to pick a player worth a 36 yr old Gonzalez in th e2nd or 3rd. They trade him for anything less than a 1st, then they've shown me that they don't think that he could be a contributor when they get this thing in the POs. Which is absolutely retarded. In the NFL, with thr picks we will have, and the cap space available ther is NO REASON why we can't turn it around. by 2009. If This happens, I'm done with this franchise period until carl, and herm are gone. PERIOD. I will shock my friends, and family, if we trade Tony for anything less than a 1st. I will shun the chiefs. I'm not fukin kidding.you are drunk

[FAX]

Mr. blueballs has a point ... not like a physical point point ... like an insightful, on target contribution to the topic point.

Let's say that we trade Gonzo. Let's say that he goes to a team that doesn't emphasize the TE position as a "go to" weapon on offense. Let's say that he sits on the bench a lot studying the playbook. Then, let's say that they go to the Super Bowl and win the dang thing. Gonzo will have a ring, sure. But, will it be satisfying? Will it be worth it? Since he didn't actually contribute to that objective, I mean?

FAX

[rambleonthruthefog]

Mr. blueballs has a point ... not like a physical point point ... like an insightful, on target contribution to the topic point.

Let's say that we trade Gonzo. Let's say that he goes to a team that doesn't emphasize the TE position as a "go to" weapon on offense. Let's say that he sits on the bench a lot studying the playbook. Then, let's say that they go to the Super Bowl and win the dang thing. Gonzo will have a ring, sure. But, will it be satisfying? Will it be worth it? Since he didn't actually contribute to that objective, I mean?

FAX

i think your both fools. you play in the league for 10 yrs. work ur azz off for all of em. get traded. during your time there you make your blocks, catch the passes thrown your way, and still constantly work your azz off. you play 10 or 11 games with some guys and win a super bowl. it would most likely be one of the most gratifying points in his life.

[milkman]

Can anyone explain why the Giants of all teams would want to trade for Tony? Shockey went down 2-3 weeks before the playoffs, they still won the Super Bowl, they're currently undefeated, and their offense is leading the league in both yards and points per game. Boss isn't a superstar, but is there some big hole in their offense that he isn't filling?

This is the problem.

People in KC overvalue the TE position because of Tony.

But the fact is, the TE position is one of the least valuable positions on a football team.

If I'm the Chiefs GM, I would want at least a 2nd rounder for Tony.
If I'm the GM of a team attempting to trade for Tony, I'd offer a 4th.

You'd hope they would compromise and settle on a 3rd, but as the GM of another team, that's is the best offer you'd ever get.

[jidar]

This is the problem.

People in KC overvalue the TE position because of Tony.

But the fact is, the TE position is one of the least valuable positions on a football team.

If I'm the Chiefs GM, I would want at least a 2nd rounder for Tony.
If I'm the GM of a team attempting to trade for Tony, I'd offer a 4th.

You'd hope they would compromise and settle on a 3rd, but as the GM of another team, that's is the best offer you'd ever get.

The flaw in this reasoning is that the Giants just traded Shockey away for a 2nd and a 5th. I'd say GMs have a pretty good idea about the value of the Tight End position the way it's been played since Tony got here.

[milkman]

The flaw in this reasoning is that the Giants just traded Shockey away for a 2nd and a 5th. I'd say GMs have a pretty good idea about the value of the Tight End position the way it's been played since Tony got here.

If Tony were still 28 years old, I'd give up a 2nd and a 5th for him.

But that's as much as I give up for a TE in his prime., even one considered the best ever.

[DT58HOF]

If it isn't a first rounder, the answer should be NO.

HAHA Another Dumb statement by the tard!

[Brock]

HAHA Another Dumb statement by the tard!

Thanks!

[NashvilleRock.net]

16 pages of nothing but speculation. Mind numbing!!

[FAX]

i think your both fools. you play in the league for 10 yrs. work ur azz off for all of em. get traded. during your time there you make your blocks, catch the passes thrown your way, and still constantly work your azz off. you play 10 or 11 games with some guys and win a super bowl. it would most likely be one of the most gratifying points in his life.

Hmmm. So, let's say you were related to an independent director and he invited you on location to watch as his next movie was being shot. And, let's say you contributed absolutely nothing to the production of the film other than sitting around on the set, bitching, criticizing others, and misspelling simple words. Then let's say, when the Acadamy Awards rolled around, the movie won the Oscar for Best Picture. You're saying that you would feel just as satisfied and accomplished as the director or producer or lead actor or the other people who actually worked on the movie?

FAX

[milkman]

16 pages of nothing but speculation. Mind numbing!!

Dude.....

There are over three million posts in this forum's existence, of which I'm fairly certain over half are nothing but speculation.

[Brock]

This is the problem.

People in KC overvalue the TE position because of Tony.

But the fact is, the TE position is one of the least valuable positions on a football team.

If I'm the Chiefs GM, I would want at least a 2nd rounder for Tony.
If I'm the GM of a team attempting to trade for Tony, I'd offer a 4th.

You'd hope they would compromise and settle on a 3rd, but as the GM of another team, that's is the best offer you'd ever get.

Gonzalez is not worth less than Jeremy Shockey. No sir.

[milkman]

Gonzalez is not worth less than Jeremy Shockey. No sir.

I don't like Shockey, he can't stay healthy.

That being said, there's no way in hell I'm trading away the future for a guy that has 3 years of productivity left.

But then, I'm one of the very few that hated the trade we made to get Montana.

[Farzin]

Gonzalez for Shockey's draft picks? A first round draft pick MUST be involved if Tony will be traded. Even if it's just a first round pick and nothing else. I'm all for it.

[GoTrav]

Mr. blueballs has a point ... not like a physical point point ... like an insightful, on target contribution to the topic point.

Let's say that we trade Gonzo. Let's say that he goes to a team that doesn't emphasize the TE position as a "go to" weapon on offense. Let's say that he sits on the bench a lot studying the playbook. Then, let's say that they go to the Super Bowl and win the dang thing. Gonzo will have a ring, sure. But, will it be satisfying? Will it be worth it? Since he didn't actually contribute to that objective, I mean?

FAX

If he plays in through the playoffs and in the SB then he deserves it and in no way will it be cheapened. It's not like he Huarded a ring.

[Frankie]

i think your both fools. you play in the league for 10 yrs. work ur azz off for all of em. get traded. during your time there you make your blocks, catch the passes thrown your way, and still constantly work your azz off. you play 10 or 11 games with some guys and win a super bowl. it would most likely be one of the most gratifying points in his life.

Anybody who calls Mr. FAX a fool is my personal enemy!:grr:

[Frankie]

Hmmm. So, let's say you were related to an independent director and he invited you on location to watch as his next movie was being shot. And, let's say you contributed absolutely nothing to the production of the film other than sitting around on the set, bitching, criticizing others, and misspelling simple words. Then let's say, when the Acadamy Awards rolled around, the movie won the Oscar for Best Picture. You're saying that you would feel just as satisfied and accomplished as the director or producer or lead actor or the other people who actually worked on the movie?

FAX

See? Wisdom just oozes out of this man.

[Frankie]

Gonzalez is not worth less than Jeremy Shockey. No sir.

I agree. Position my ass, he is an NFL superstar.

[milkman]

Anybody who calls Mr. FAX a fool is my personal enemy!:grr:

I would never call Mr. Fax a fool, but if I ever even considered it, trust me, this would not deter me.

[milkman]

I agree. Position my ass, he is an NFL superstar.

Tony is a star, no doubt, but that doesn't change the fact that TE is one of the lowest value positions on the football field.

[TrickyNicky]

If the Gints offer their 2nd and 5th, call Philly and ask for a 2nd and 4th. If its a no go, pull the trigger. We can always use those as ammo to move around back into the first round if we absolutely covet someone.

[Sure-Oz]

Nothing new here but saw this on the ESPN bottomline..

Chiefs Tony Gonzalez inquires about a trade to a contender. ESPN's Micheal Smith reports, Chiefs are open to trading Tony Gonzalez before tuesday's trade deadline.

[chop]

That being said, there's no way in hell I'm trading away the future for a guy that has 3 years of productivity left.



If the trade can enhance your position to win a Superbowl in those three years you do it. The Giants won the SB last year and are having a great year so far. If they think that making a move for a proven TE can ensure that get back then they make the deal. Having TG on the Giants makes them much tougher to beat IMO.

[milkman]

If the trade can enhance your position to win a Superbowl in those three years you do it. The Giants won the SB last year and are having a great year so far. If they think that making a move for a proven TE can ensure that get back then they make the deal. Having TG on the Giants makes them much tougher to beat IMO.

We'll never agree.

Giants won one without a star TE, and look better this year.

You don't trade away the future for a 3 year player, especially a TE.