I guess people in Springfield don't smoke or drink,

[luv]

or the ones who do just don't vote.

Smoking ban for all Springfield businesses...
http://ozarksfirst.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=434696

No alcoholic beverages in movie theaters....
http://ozarksfirst.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=434676

I'm a non-smoker, and I don't drink at the movies, but there's nothing like people taking away people's (namely business owners') rights one proposition at a time.

Maybe this should be in DC. If so, move it. Just thought I'd get people's opinions.

[notorious]

There are a lot more non-smokers then smokers.


With that said the decision should be left up to the business owners.

[DaFace]

I won't comment on the smoking part, as I'm sure that's about to blow up into a nice spirited debate.

The alcohol thing is odd to me, though. I mean, I think that MOST theaters shouldn't have alcohol, but there's an "adult" (not porn) theater near me that has a full bar and doesn't allow kids in. It's a lot of fun.

[Bugeater]

There are a lot more non-smokers then smokers.

This is exactly what it comes down to.

[Bugeater]

And yes, move this crap to DC. :D

[KurtCobain]

They do just keeping taking people's rights.

[durtyrute]

There are a lot more non-smokers then smokers.


With that said the decision should be left up to the business owners.

This. How can you go into someones business and tell them what they can and cannot do. Crazy

[notorious]

And yes, move this crap to DC. :D

Is this a conspiracy against angry smokers?

[luv]

There are a lot more non-smokers then smokers.


With that said the decision should be left up to the business owners.

Agree 100%.

I can see the family theaters not serving alcohol (all our theaters are considered family, I believe), but, even then, I can't think of once instance that I've heard of where there have been any problems caused by it since they started serving alcohol (beer).

[Bugeater]

They do just keeping taking people's rights.
OMG U DO NOT HAVE TEH RIGHT TO KILLZ ME WIT UR SECONDHAND SMOKE :haironfire:

[luv]

OMG U DO NOT HAVE TEH RIGHT TO KILLZ ME WIT UR SECONDHAND SMOKE :haironfire:

It includes bars and clubs.....in a college town.....

[LiveSteam]

:haironfire:

My farts are on fire tonight,

[philfree]

Poor citizen that I am I didn't vote in this election. I don't smoke but a smoking ban is BS. Drinking at the movies:shrug: that's for minors or something.....dads who don't want to be there.

PhilFree:arrow:

[notorious]

My farts are on fire tonight,

Volcano Nachos?

[WV]

Meh...I'd rather not smell like an ash tray and can do with out beer for a couple hours at the most.

[LiveSteam]

Volcano Nachos?

Yup.
Im going to go take a bath & fart in the tub & try to bite the bubbles.

[Just Passin' By]

or the ones who do just don't vote.

Smoking ban for all Springfield businesses...
http://ozarksfirst.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=434696

No alcoholic beverages in movie theaters....
http://ozarksfirst.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=434676

I'm a non-smoker, and I don't drink at the movies, but there's nothing like conservatives taking away people's (namely business owners') rights one proposition at a time.

Maybe this should be in DC. If so, move it. Just thought I'd get people's opinions.


Both sides of the political spectrum take away people's rights.

[Bugeater]

Is this a conspiracy against angry smokers?
Nah, I failed to get one of her threads moved last night so I'm taking advantage of what appears to be a better opportunity to do so.

[Saulbadguy]

Did you vote?

[notorious]

Yup.
Im going to go take a bath & fart in the tub & try to bite the bubbles.

Aroma therapy taken to the extreme.

[luv]

Both sides of the political spectrum take away people's rights.

Yeah, I'm probably quick to blame conservatives. That happens sometimes when ou live in the buckle of the Bible belt.

[luv]

Did you vote?

Yep.

[notorious]

Nah, I failed to get one of her threads moved last night so I'm taking advantage of what appears to be a better opportunity to do so.

Damn.


I want to believe.

[LiveSteam]

"I guess people in Springfield don't smoke or drink"
But do they fart in the bath tub & bite the bubbles ?
Or is it just an Omaha thing?

[luv]

Nah, I failed to get one of her threads moved last night so I'm taking advantage of what appears to be a better opportunity to do so.

I see how you are.

[luv]

I guess people in Springfield don't smoke or drink
But do they fart in the bath tub & bite the bubbles ?
Or is it just an Omaha thing?

I'm pretty sure a majority of us are not retarded (sorry to those who are offended by that word).

[LiveSteam]

I'm pretty sure a majority of us are not retarded (sorry to those who are offended by that word).

HEY, HEY, HEY.
Its not easy. you have to be fast
I bet Kurt Cobain could give me a run for my money

[notorious]

Yeah, I'm probably quick to blame conservatives. That happens sometimes when ou live in the buckle of the Bible belt.

When I lived in Tulsa, I found it facinating that a region in which the primary religion's holy book states very clearly that judging is God's responablility, NOT the people's, yet that is primarily what is done by most bible thumpers on a daily basis.

[notorious]

I'm pretty sure a majority of us are not retarded (sorry to those who are offended by that word).

Have you seen my baseball?

[Just Passin' By]

Yeah, I'm probably quick to blame conservatives. That happens sometimes when ou live in the buckle of the Bible belt.

As a general rule, it's the rightist states that are the most free in the nation, and the leftist states that have the most intrusive governments.

[luv]

Just read the story a little more closely on the smoking ban.

Yes - 53.35%
No - 48.29%

Uh.... anyone see a problem with that?

[luv]

As a general rule, it's the rightist states that are the most free in the nation, and the leftist states that have the most intrusive governments.

My apologies for not being up on my political stats. Church-goers tend to be conservative. Smoking is a sin. I'm sure you see my reasoning behind my assumption.

[notorious]

Just read the story a little more closely on the smoking ban.

Yes - 53.35%
No - 48.29%

Uh.... anyone see a problem with that?


That's all I needed.


Conspiracy!

[PornChief]

My apologies for not being up on my political stats. Church-goers tend to be conservative. Smoking is a sin. I'm sure you see my reasoning behind my assumption.

well shit, I don't see it. It's always the leftiods that jump up and down trying to save the weak and stupid from themselves in my country, can't imagine it's any different in yours.

[DaFace]

Just for the record, smoking has been banned in businesses here for a while now, and we're not exactly a bunch of bible thumpers. It's not really a conservative vs. liberal thing.

[Just Passin' By]

My apologies for not being up on my political stats. Church-goers tend to be conservative. Smoking is a sin. I'm sure you see my reasoning behind my assumption.

No, I don't, actually. The modern U.S. smoking bans (late 20th century through today) are an example of the leftist states leading the charge.

[luv]

Just for the record, smoking has been banned in businesses here for a while now, and we're not exactly a bunch of bible thumpers. It's not really a conservative vs. liberal thing.

I'm amazed at how my mind works sometimes. So often, I get onto people I know for judging other people, and here I am judging. I guess I just think that most people would see things the way I do. I'm not easily bothered by such things....well, maybe I should say I'm more tolerant than some.

[LiveSteam]

The Third Reich
Started the first smoking bans, as we know them today.
How many of you knew that ?
I blame Hitler.

[greg63]

I blame conservatives, liberals and independents for all our nations woes. :D

[Rain Man]

people drink alcohol in movie theaters? how does that happen?
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[WV]

people drink alcohol in movie theaters? how does that happen?
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We have one of these close by....Never been though.

http://www.drafthouse.com/winchester/

[greg63]

people drink alcohol in movie theaters? how does that happen?
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They sneak it in. Ain't like they give strip searches. :D

[Just Passin' By]

people drink alcohol in movie theaters? how does that happen?
Posted via Mobile Device

It's a great way to watch a movie. I suppose it could make it confusing when a woman tells her friend that she's going to the adult theater to watch a movie and suck down a few.

[Bearcat]

I agree that it should be the business' decision, but I do enjoy the smoking ban, and it's actually pretty weird now when I go into a restaurant that has a smoking section (such Smokehouse in Gladstone). It's almost like I have to be reminded that people still smoke, which is kind of nice... heh.

I've read stories where bars have put signs outside that ask "where are all the non-smokers now?" because of the decline in business after a smoking ban, which I find odd, but it would truly suck for a business owner (which is, again, why I think it should be up to them).

[greg63]

Just for the record, smoking has been banned in businesses here for a while now, and we're not exactly a bunch of bible thumpers. It's not really a conservative vs. liberal thing.

It's an evil communist conspiracy; much like the weather machine the Russians are using against us to destroy us with inclement weather.

[Jewish Rabbi]

I agree that it should be the business' decision, but I do enjoy the smoking ban, and it's actually pretty weird now when I go into a restaurant that has a smoking section (such Smokehouse in Gladstone). It's almost like I have to be reminded that people still smoke, which is kind of nice... heh.

I've read stories where bars have put signs outside that ask "where are all the non-smokers now?" because of the decline in business after a smoking ban, which I find odd, but it would truly suck for a business owner (which is, again, why I think it should be up to them).
Meh. It hurts business for a while, but those people will come back.

[crazycoffey]

If you don't drink and don't smoke, what do you do?
subtle innuendos follow





There must be something inside....
/Adam

[Bugeater]

Meh. It hurts business for a while, but those people will come back.
I haven't.

[talastan]

The alcohol thing was somewhat of a more legitmate proposal; the smoking ban was just ridiculous. No reason to actually let the business owners decide, just ban everyone. :shake: Completely unecessary law IMO. I voted against it.

[Saulbadguy]

The alcohol thing was somewhat of a more legitmate proposal; the smoking ban was just ridiculous. No reason to actually let the business owners decide, just ban everyone. :shake: Completely unecessary law IMO. I voted against it.

How is the alcohol thing a more legitimate proposal?

[Los Pollos Hermanos]

I think a business owner should be able to decide if they want to allowing smoking or not. But it is so much nicer going to a bar/restaurant now and not smelling like an ashtray afterwards.

[Huffman83]

"All right. Well, you can walk into a movie theater in Amsterdam and buy a beer. And I don't mean just like in no paper cup, I'm talking about a glass of beer. And in Paris, you can buy a beer at McDonald's."

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ppah3a9SwjI/ST1meyD6yyI/AAAAAAAAAIo/73d520t90NI/s400/amsterdam.jpg

I see a point in smoking bans. However I don't exactly see a point in the alcohol thing. In Columbia there's the Rag Tag Theatre which only shows independent films. Which in some ways is cool...and really most ways kind of sucks unless something interesting comes through.

But they have a full bar, good food and a great atmosphere. It's nice to be able to get a bottle of mead and watch a flick. It would be a shame if something like that was voted in Columbia.

I guess in Springfield it makes sense though. Bible belt. It'll get cha!

[luv]

The alcohol thing was somewhat of a more legitmate proposal; the smoking ban was just ridiculous. No reason to actually let the business owners decide, just ban everyone. :shake: Completely unecessary law IMO. I voted against it.

There are cigar bars and Just For Him, that will probably end up closing. Their entire business revolved around the fact that you could smoke.

[luv]

How is the alcohol thing a more legitimate proposal?

I don't think "more legitimate" would necessarily be the proper term, but I get what he's saying. That one doesn't get people in as much of an uproar. Theaters didn't used to sell beer. They really haven't been selling it for that long. I mean, Dr Pepper goes much better with my Milk Duds. :)

[Saulbadguy]

I don't think "more legitimate" would necessarily be the proper term, but I get what he's saying. That one doesn't get people in as much of an uproar. Theaters didn't used to sell beer. They really haven't been selling it for that long. I mean, Dr Pepper goes much better with my Milk Duds. :)

Yeah, it affects less people but I don't get it. I suppose if someone drinks enough beer at the theater they could become loud and obnoxious.

[MOhillbilly]

Fucking bullshit on all fronts.

I dont care to live in a fucking nanny state.

[Saulbadguy]

Fucking bullshit on all fronts.

I dont care to live in a fucking nanny state.

move

[Los Pollos Hermanos]

So, is there a loophole such as a bar becoming a private club and then allowing smoking?

[MOhillbilly]

move

To another nanny state? Get real.

[LiveSteam]

Bugeater says? Smoke-em if you got-em

[wazu]

I was opposed to a smoking ban in KC. But it passed pretty easily and honestly from a selfish perspective I love it now as a non-smoker.

Regarding the no alcohol in movie theaters - WTF even thinks to propose that kind of crap? Seriously, if somebody supports that measure, I have to assume they also support general prohibition of all alcohol everywhere. Lamo Springfieldians.

[MOhillbilly]

no titties, no smokin, no booze.

but we have a entire street dedicated to hobos.

[luv]

no titties, no smokin, no booze.

but we have a entire street dedicated to hobos.

Is that still Commercial Street? You can tell I'm a southsider who doesn't make it north of Battlefield Road very often...lol. If so, I was under the impression that it was improving with all of the bars/clubs/lofts up there now.

[crazycoffey]

If you don't drink and don't smoke, what do you do?
subtle innuendos follow





There must be something inside....
/Adam



no adam and the ants fans?

[HonestChieffan]

no titties, no smokin, no booze.

but we have a entire street dedicated to hobos.

Gotta hand it to Jeff City. They can zero in like a lazer on the critical stuff. Cheap cigs that you can only smoke in special areas, protecting the scenery and beauty of the state with massive billboards coast to coast, tittie bar bans......they do a hell of a job down there.

[MOhillbilly]

Is that still Commercial Street? You can tell I'm a southsider who doesn't make it north of Battlefield Road very often...lol. If so, I was under the impression that it was improving with all of the bars/clubs/lofts up there now.

Lipstick on a pig.

[MOhillbilly]

Gotta hand it to Jeff City. They can zero in like a lazer on the critical stuff. Cheap cigs that you can only smoke in special areas, protecting the scenery and beauty of the state with massive billboards coast to coast, tittie bar bans......they do a hell of a job down there.

For me it starts at the top with Jay Nixon. He wants all our souls to get to heaven. one ban at a time. POS.

[loochy]

Just read the story a little more closely on the smoking ban.

Yes - 53.35%
No - 48.29%

Uh.... anyone see a problem with that?

Yes - 0%
No - 100%

# of people polled: 1 (me)

[luv]

Yes - 0%
No - 100%

# of people polled: 1 (me)

How can you have 101.64%?

[loochy]

How can you have 101.64%?

Oh haha I thought you were referencing the fact that only a simple majority won...

Maybe someone tried to vote for yes AND no. Hey, it happens here on ChiefsPlanet with flawed polls, so why couldn't it happen in the great metropolis of intelligence that is Springfield?

[talastan]

How is the alcohol thing a more legitimate proposal?

I think "legitimate" is probably the wrong word. I voted against both proposals. The smoking ban was just the most :BS: of the two proposals. Most of the businesses here in Springfield were already smoke free anyway. This pretty much just targets bars, smoke shops, and private clubs. VFW and American Legion posts can't even smoke in their own clubs. It also was a very vague law in that it defines not smoking in playgrounds or childcare facilities. It defines childcare as anywhere that cares for children, and playgrounds as anywhere that children play.

[MOhillbilly]

How much is this gonna cost a city thats already broke?

[talastan]

How much is this gonna cost a city thats already broke?

My friend who runs the Albatross Smoke Shop downtown is already talking about going out of business; there is potential tax revenue lost there for both the city and the state. Great job Springtucky! :thumb: :doh!:

[Bob Dole]

I was opposed to a smoking ban in KC. But it passed pretty easily and honestly from a selfish perspective I love it now as a non-smoker.

Regarding the no alcohol in movie theaters - WTF even thinks to propose that kind of crap?

Probably the same person who proposed making it illegal to blow your nose in a restaurant back in the 1980's...

[Lzen]

Without reading the whole thread, I am having trouble seeing how this has much to do with conservatives. Am I missing something?

[Lzen]

Also, I would think TRUE conservatives would be on the side of businesses and not support a smoking ban. Instead letting businesses decide whether smoking or non smoking is good for their individual businesses.

[luv]

Without reading the whole thread, I am having trouble seeing how this has much to do with conservatives. Am I missing something?

Alright, alright. I changed the OP.

[Frazod]

I was opposed to a smoking ban in KC. But it passed pretty easily and honestly from a selfish perspective I love it now as a non-smoker.

Regarding the no alcohol in movie theaters - WTF even thinks to propose that kind of crap? Seriously, if somebody supports that measure, I have to assume they also support general prohibition of all alcohol everywhere. Lamo Springfieldians.

It's never a problem until the fascists go after something YOU actually care about, is it?

I've said it a 1,000 times - the evil fucks who push this shit through care nothing for your personal health or safety - all they want to do is CONTROL YOUR LIFE.

[Lzen]

Meh...I'd rather not smell like an ash tray and can do with out beer for a couple hours at the most.

Sure, I'd rather not smell like an ash tray and can do without beer for a couple hours, as well. That's not the point. I would simply avoid a theater that allowed that. IMO, it should be up to the businesses to decide what's best. Not gov't.

[Lzen]

Alright, alright. I changed the OP.

Didn't mean to get your panties in a bunch, but I think your anger was misguided. ;)

[luv]

Didn't mean to get your panties in a bunch, but I think your anger was misguided. ;)

Yeah, keep reading. I did come to the realization that not everyone thinks like me (how scary would that be?).

[Lzen]

I don't think "more legitimate" would necessarily be the proper term, but I get what he's saying. That one doesn't get people in as much of an uproar. Theaters didn't used to sell beer. They really haven't been selling it for that long. I mean, Dr Pepper goes much better with my Milk Duds. :)

The question would be when does it stop. I mean, I can still order a beer when I'm at some restaurants with the wife and kids. Are they going to take that away, too?

[Lzen]

.... everyone thinks like me (how scary would that be?).

Very. :D

[Groves]

There goes my idea for a young people's smoke shoppe. I was gonna call it "Junior High".

I voted against it, and I really thought I was the tipping point, but I guess not.

[luv]

The question would be when does it stop. I mean, I can still order a beer when I'm at some restaurants with the wife and kids. Are they going to take that away, too?

No, the alcohol ban was only for movie theaters.

[KCHawg]

No, the alcohol ban was only for movie theaters.

...this time.

[Alton deFlat]

I don't smoke, but I don't care if others do in a restaurant, or especially a bar. I'm just not bothered by it in a restaurant, and if I go into a bar, I figure it's going to be smoky, and if it bothers me I can leave. Just another case of the damn government sticking there friggin' noses where it doesn't belong, and banning a legal substance. I don't even live in Springfield, but I do in Joplin, and figure the ban is coming there soon too. A group was attempting to get signatures on a petition yesterday to get it on a future ballot, but I don't think it went too well.

[Just Passin' By]

No, the alcohol ban was only for movie theaters.

The smoking bans began with "only" requiring non-smoking sections. The American public remains stubbornly, and willfully, blind to the camel's nose method of lawmaking.

[Saulbadguy]

The smoking bans began with "only" requiring non-smoking sections. The American public remains stubbornly, and willfully, blind to the camel's nose method of lawmaking.

:LOL:

[ChiefsCountry]

Movie theater ban is just for the big theaters were kids make up alot of the sales. It was the big theater on Campbell that was the target of this. The little indepedent movie craphouses like the Moxie can still serve beer.

Hell Columbia is way more liberal than Springfield and it had a no smoking ban passed way before Springfield did. And St. Louis County as well.

[FishingRod]

Ya know I’m just sick of second hand smokers. All addicted to my smoke but never paying for the product. Ya see them hanging around AA meetings, and casinos. I’m constantly having to kick their heads away from my ashtray as they suck up the smoke and they are constantly getting in my personal space waiting for me to exhale.

[Chiefnj2]

I've never been to a movie theater that sells beer.

[keg in kc]

I've never been to a movie theater that sells beer.There's a couple of Fork and Spoon theaters (AMC) around KC, and I've really enjoyed it the few times I've gone. One of my favorite experiences was watching Up with a Guinness in a theater full of families.

[MOhillbilly]

Society makes me a criminal. Cause ill still smoke at the park and ill still sneak hot damn into the movie.
ACAB

[luv]

If you don't drink and don't smoke, what do you do?
subtle innuendos follow





There must be something inside....
/Adam

I've been singing this song all afternoon while wondering how I got it stuck in my head. Then, I remembered.....

[Lzen]

I've never been to a movie theater that sells beer.

Neither have I. Not sure I would want to buy a beer at the movies, though. Knowing what they charge for something like Milk Duds, I imagine I would have to give them a kidney for a beer.

[luv]

Neither have I. Not sure I would want to buy a beer at the movies, though. Knowing what they charge for something like Milk Duds, I imagine I would have to give them a kidney for a beer.

I've bought one. It was a Bud Light, and I think it was around $6.

[crazycoffey]

I've been singing this song all afternoon while wondering how I got it stuck in my head. Then, I remembered.....

goody two, goody two
goody goody two shoes

[Ralphy Boy]

I for one am glad about the smoking ban and I happen to know a lot of people (though probably not most) in the industry that are happy about it as well. They won't publicly stand up and say that they are for fear of pissing off their regulars, many of whom happen to be smokers. But a lot of the industry people aren't pissed about it. It basically took the option off the table and they end up with a cleaner atmosphere over all.

So for people like myself who hate to go home smelling like an ash tray and with a pounding head ache, its a big win.

[Saulbadguy]

I for one am glad about the smoking ban and I happen to know a lot of people (though probably not most) in the industry that are happy about it as well. They won't publicly stand up and say that they are for fear of pissing off their regulars, many of whom happen to be smokers. But a lot of the industry people aren't pissed about it. It basically took the option off the table and they end up with a cleaner atmosphere over all.

So for people like myself who hate to go home smelling like an ash tray and with a pounding head ache, its a big win.

It's true, smokers are bad tippers.

[KCbroncoHATER]

I use to smoke and think public places should be smoke free.

Everytime I smell a cig, I want one.

So all you smokers need to suck it up and work with me.

Still smoke free!

[notorious]

I used to get hangovers from smoke when I bartended years ago.


And no, I didn't drink on the job.


Anyone that says second hand smoke doesn't physically harm others is fucking retarded.


BUT, if a business owner wants smoking, they should be allowed to have it.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Never thought it would pass down here. Guess what city I won't be going to bars in? Ozark, MO Chiefsplanet members, let's get together. Maybe we can break the Springfield curse.

[luv]

Never thought it would pass down here. Guess what city I won't be going to bars in? Ozark, MO Chiefsplanet members, let's get together. Maybe we can break the Springfield curse.

WTF is there to go to in Ozark?

[luv]

I for one am glad about the smoking ban and I happen to know a lot of people (though probably not most) in the industry that are happy about it as well. They won't publicly stand up and say that they are for fear of pissing off their regulars, many of whom happen to be smokers. But a lot of the industry people aren't pissed about it. It basically took the option off the table and they end up with a cleaner atmosphere over all.

So for people like myself who hate to go home smelling like an ash tray and with a pounding head ache, its a big win.

I must just not be that sensitive to it. I mean, I can smell it on classmates when they come in from a smoke break, but, the only time I've felt I smelled like an ash tray was whenever I went to play bingo. Clubs, I guess, but that was back in the day, and you know people are there to drink, smoke, dance, and pick people up.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

WTF is there to go to in Ozark?

Hell, I don't know. Somewhere I can smoke?

[luv]

Hell, I don't know. Somewhere I can smoke?

Nixa.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Nixa.

Heh, even better! I live in Nixa.

[mikeyis4dcats.]

This. How can you go into someones business and tell them what they can and cannot do. Crazy

Easy, same way you can tell them whathours they can operate, how old employees need to be, how much to charge in certain instances, etc.


I see it this way...you can't smoke at the mall. You can't smoke at the movies. You can't smoke on a plane. Why is a restaurant any different?

[stevieray]

shortage of air.

[jspchief]

This has been a law in Iowa for some time now. Being a non-smoker, I was happy to see it happen. But honestly, most of my friends smoke, and even they think it's not a bad deal now. They enjoy the smoke free atmosphere and not smelling like an ashtray at the end of the night. The biggest inconvenience is having to go outside to smoke in extreme weather.

[luv]

Heh, even better! I live in Nixa.

http://www.bumsteadsnixa.com/

[Mr. Flopnuts]

http://www.bumsteadsnixa.com/

Driven by there a hundred times, never stopped in. Looks like a cool place though.

[Mama Hip Rockets]

Smoking sucks.

[MOhillbilly]

Driven by there a hundred times, never stopped in. Looks like a cool place though.

Its a trap!


This is the place.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Hooligans-Icehouse/125229038923

[Lzen]

I've bought one. It was a Bud Light, and I think it was around $6.

I said beer, not piss. :D