Top 10 rappers of all time?

[WebGem]

and put them in order. Do your top 10 as the 10 you think are the best overall. Not your 10 favorite rappers to listen to.

Yes it's an opinionated question, so give your opinionated answer. No there's no wrong answer, but it'll be funny to those of us who actually understand hip hop to see how awful some lists are.

1. Rakim
2. Jay-Z
3. Biggie
4. KRS-One
5. Nas
6. Big L
7. Pac
8. Eazy E
9. Big Pun
10. Eminem

Remember that this isn't name your favorite rappers in order, because if that were the case Nas, Eazy E and Big L would be my top 3 and neither are in the top 3.

[RealSNR]

1 Vanilla Ice
2 Me
3 Eminem
4 Frank Sinatra (some of his stuff is a bit rappy)
5 Jack Benny (see Sinatra)
6 Ice-T or some shit like that
7 Vanilla Ice because he's that damn good
8 Tai mai shu
9 Vanilla Ice
10 Nobody cares

JMO, tho

[BigMeatballDave]

Hey! Where the Fuck is Snow?

[BigMeatballDave]

1 Vanilla Ice
2 Me
3 Eminem
4 Frank Sinatra (some of his stuff is a bit rappy)
5 Jack Benny (see Sinatra)
6 Ice-T or some shit like that
7 Vanilla Ice because he's that damn good
8 Tai mai shu
9 Vanilla Ice
10 Nobody cares

JMO, thoLMAO

[rageeumr]

I got a list, here's the order of the list that it's in:

1. Reggie (Redman)
2. Jay-Z
3. 2pac
4. Biggie
5. Andre from Outkast
6. Jada
7. Kurupt
8. Nas
9. Eminem

[Demonpenz]

my order of how I like them. I don't care about really getting into specific skills, accent on beats, rhymes. Here is a list if you were like, Demon? What do type of rap do you want to listen to today.

1:) Eminem
2:) Will Smith
3:) 2 Skinnie J's
4:) Gnarls Barkley
5:) Tech-9
6:) Blondie
7:) Maroon 5
8:) LFO
9:) Fred Durst
10:) Smashmouth

[BigMeatballDave]

my order of how I like them. I don't care about really getting into specific skills, accent on beats, rhymes. Here is a list if you were like, Demon? What do type of rap do you want to listen to today.

1:) Eminem
2:) Will Smith
3:) 2 Skinnie J's
4:) Gnarls Barkley
5:) Tech-9
6:) Blondie
7:) Maroon 5
8:) LFO
9:) Fred Durst
10:) Smashmouth:LOL:

[BigRedChief]

Rap is morally bankrupt macho self grandizing mythical bullshit.

/Skip

[ILChief]

1. Dre
2. Jay-z
3. Snoop
4. Tupac
5. Eminem
6. Ludacris
7. BIG
8. Warren G/Nate Dogg
9. Ice T
10. Method man

[The Franchise]

Good music is like eating candy.....you always throw away the rappers.

[BigMeatballDave]

Rap is morally bankrupt macho self grandizing mythical bullshit.

/average white person with a functioning brainfyp :)

[whoman69]

The only good rapper is a dead one.

No really, all the good ones are dead.

[Bane]

M&M and Jay Z.....LMAO

[Molitoth]

1) Busta Rhymes
The rest don't matter.

[notorious]

1. Dre
2. Jay-z
3. Snoop
4. Tupac
5. Eminem
6. Ludacris
7. BIG
8. Warren G/Nate Dogg
9. Ice T
10. Method man


It's about time.

This is a list I agree with somewhat.

[The Franchise]

1) Busta Rhymes
The rest don't matter.

pretty much this.

[Sanka]

Redman 2pac Nas AZ Ghostface Raekwon Tical Joe Budden Big L Eminem... in no specific order

[LiL stumppy]

1. 2 Pac
2. Eminem
3. The Game
4. Old Nelly
5. Lil wayne stuff when he's being serious
6. Jay Z
7. Wiz
8. 50 cent when he is being serious
9. Dre
10. Biggie

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Whodini and Grandmaster Flash. The end. Yes I know they were both groups and not lone rappers but you kids won't know that anyway.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

No love for J Roc? Know what I'm sayin :)

[MahiMike]

You mean there are 10?

[Chiefs Pantalones]

I like rap, but in no way does it deserve a "top 10" or whatever type of list, IMO. They are all the same and the "music" isn't nothing to write home about. I don't think anyone will ever remember someone that wrote "music" about bitches and hos 20 years down the road lol. Good beats though, but it doesn't take a genius to rap.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

I like rap, but in no way does it deserve a "top 10" or whatever type of list, IMO. They are all the same and the "music" isn't nothing to write home about. I don't think anyone will ever remember someone that wrote "music" about bitches and hos 20 years down the road lol. Good beats though, but it doesn't take a genius to rap.

A top 10 ten rappers list is akin to a list of the top 10 Chiefs draft busts.

[Frazod]

A top 10 ten rappers list is akin to a list of the top 10 Chiefs draft busts.

Or top 10 forms of venereal disease.

[notorious]

Chronic 2001 is the only rap CD I have ever purchased. Twice.

[Okie_Apparition]

Rappers get shot before they fade with arthritis

[Pablo]

Eminem, Tech, Andre 3000, Mac Lethal, Weezy, Jay Z, Luda, Busta, Kanye, and Jeezy.

[LiL stumppy]

I like rap, but in no way does it deserve a "top 10" or whatever type of list, IMO. They are all the same and the "music" isn't nothing to write home about. I don't think anyone will ever remember someone that wrote "music" about bitches and hos 20 years down the road lol. Good beats though, but it doesn't take a genius to rap.

Common mistaken belief that all rap is about bitches and weed.

It's like me saying all country is about farming. It's not.

There are many rappers who talk about real things, and things in the past and future going on in the world.

[rocknrolla]

Word to the Mother!

[Rams Fan]

No mention of Gucci?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

De La created Hip-Hop.

Just so you know.

[LiL stumppy]

Gucci is good, but DOES fall under one of the rappers that only talk about women and drugs. lol

[loochy]

You mean there are 10?

Yeah, but they all look alike.

[Reaper16]

I refuse to give my opinion in this thread. There's a staggering amount of idiocy in here.

[Rams Fan]

I refuse to give my opinion in this thread. There's a staggering amount of idiocy in here.

Not a fan of Tupac, eh?

[loochy]

There's a staggering amount of idiocy in here.
Well yeah...these people actually like rap. :p

[Gonzo]

Sugar Hill Gang, ftw.
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[Deberg_1990]

Hey, wheres Blondie?

[BigMeatballDave]

I refuse to give my opinion in this thread. There's a staggering amount of idiocy in here.There wasn't until you posted. :)

[BigMeatballDave]

Eminem, Tech, Andre 3000, Mac Lethal, Weezy, Jay Z, Luda, Busta, Kanye, and Jeezy.Weezy was on The Jefferson's.

[BigMeatballDave]

Or top 10 forms of venereal disease.LMAO

[Easy 6]

Anyone that doesnt have Chuck D on their list needs to drop n gimme 20.

[johnny961]

I'm not a huge rap fan. Most of the stuff I DID listen to has been mentioned, so I won't relist em. One old school name I was kinda surprised I didn't notice was Too Short.

[Ebolapox]

no particular order:

tech n9ne
chali 2na
nas
biggie
tupac
snoop
ludacris
busta rhymes
eminem
and, going off the reservation: the Gza

[Demonpenz]

Hey, wheres Blondie?

I fuckin listed blonde you white ass manjack fuck

[Over-Head]

I don't think I could even name 10 rappers...Not really my cup of tea.

But hey....to thoses of you who like it, Rock on!!:rockon:

[Over-Head]

I like rap, but in no way does it deserve a "top 10" or whatever type of list, IMO. They are all the same and the "music" isn't nothing to write home about. I don't think anyone will ever remember someone that wrote "music" about bitches and hos 20 years down the road lol. Good beats though, but it doesn't take a genius to rap.

In used to think the same way until somoene pointed out to me, "what ever your taste,,,how many bands all had the same lip stick, sex, drugs, rock n roll, 3 power chord thing going in the 80's"
Each to their own I guess.

[BigMeatballDave]

I talk shit about rap, mainly because Im becoming an old grouch.

That said, I liked rap up til the mid-90s.

Run DMC and NWA are a ton better than anything that's come out the past 10 years.

[lcarus]

I never really liked rap at all, but I will admit when some of them have talent. Eminem has some talent (at least he used to...no idea what he's doing now days). Also Tupac is on the list, and Biggie and Puff Daddy I used to like. I never understood all the hype over Jay-Z or especially Lil Wayne.

[NewChief]

I'm not going to do the whole DJ vs. MC vs. producer thing. I'll just list rappers and groups who influenced my tastes pretty heavily. I'm also not going to say that my list is of the best or greatest rappers. There are rappers out there, who I know are hugely important, that I never got into (WuTang, TuPac, Puff Daddy, Nas, Biggie, Jay-Z). This will be more of an evolution of my rap tastes.

1. Beastie Boys
2. Too $hort
3. Ice-T
4. NWA
5. Erik B. and Rakim
6. Tribe Called Quest
7. Public Enemy
8. Jurassic 5
9. Kanye
10. Doomtree Collective (big time cheat to lump them altogether, but hey, killing about 6 birds with one stone).

[Red Beans]

Saul Williams, if you're into some intellectual shit...

[NewChief]

Saul Williams, if you're into some intellectual shit...

Yes.

[rocknrolla]

I talk shit about rap, mainly because Im becoming an old grouch.

That said, I liked rap up til the mid-90s.

Run DMC and NWA are a ton better than anything that's come out the past 10 years.

THIS X10000 :clap::clap:

[Buns]

2pac
Too $hort
Scarface
Biggie Smalls
Andre 3000
Eminem
Ice Cube
Eazy-E
Tech n9ne
Snoop Doggy Dogg
Aesop Rock

[ZootedGranny]

1. Andre 3000

I'm too lazy and disinterested in listing the rest.

[Demonpenz]

Kanye was funny on South Park.

[Archie F. Swin]

In no Particular Order....
Big Boi (Outkast)
Chuck D (public Enemy)
Q-Tip (Tribe Called Quest)
Rakim (Eric B & Rakim)
Jay Z
Eminem
C.L. Smooth (Pete Rock & C.L. Smooth)
Kanye West
Busta Rhymes
Snoop Dog

[KurtCobain]

Eminem at ten? He's the most lyrically studded man in the world. Nobody can hang where he's at.

[Archie F. Swin]

In no Particular Order....
Big Boi (Outkast)
Chuck D (public Enemy)
Q-Tip (Tribe Called Quest)
Rakim (Eric B & Rakim)
Jay Z
Eminem
C.L. Smooth (Pete Rock & C.L. Smooth)
Kanye West
Busta Rhymes
Snoop Dog

***honorable mention
Dres (Black Sheep)

[KurtCobain]

Respect to those who don't like/know about rap and just joked in this thread. Thankyou for not trying to be something your not.

Keep in mind OP said we're talking about who has the most skill, not who we like the most.


1. Dre
2. Jay-z
3. Snoop
4. Tupac
5. Eminem
6. Ludacris
7. BIG
8. Warren G/Nate Dogg
9. Ice T
10. Method man

What the fuck planet do you live on? Dr Dre? Is that the dre your talking about? The Dre who hasn't written a rap of his own since the 80s?






I got a list, here's the order of the list that it's in:

1. Reggie (Redman)
2. Jay-Z
3. 2pac
4. Biggie
5. Andre from Outkast
6. Jada
7. Kurupt
8. Nas
9. Eminem

Awesome. Rep for you for life.

[WebGem]

I'm not going to do the whole DJ vs. MC vs. producer thing. I'll just list rappers and groups who influenced my tastes pretty heavily. I'm also not going to say that my list is of the best or greatest rappers. There are rappers out there, who I know are hugely important, that I never got into (WuTang, TuPac, Puff Daddy, Nas, Biggie, Jay-Z). This will be more of an evolution of my rap tastes.

1. Beastie Boys
2. Too $hort
3. Ice-T
4. NWA
5. Erik B. and Rakim
6. Tribe Called Quest
7. Public Enemy
8. Jurassic 5
9. Kanye
10. Doomtree Collective (big time cheat to lump them altogether, but hey, killing about 6 birds with one stone).

LMFAO KANYE

KILL YOURSELF

[BigMeatballDave]

Kanye was funny on South Park.You're a gay fish.

[WebGem]

It's about time.

This is a list I agree with somewhat.

How the fuck do you agree with his list? His list literally doesn't even make sense.

[KurtCobain]

LMFAO KANYE

KILL YOURSELF

Just as funny putting Big Pun, Biggie and Rakim that high. The first two shouldn't even be on a top ten list.

Nor Kanye.

[NewChief]

LMFAO KANYE

KILL YOURSELF

Dude is hugely influential and smarter than shit with production. I don't think he's a good rapper (which is why I prefaced mine by saying it would be about people who influenced my taste in rap, not about actual MCs. That post would take way more thought and recollection than I care to do right now for a post that's going to garner idiotic responses like your own).

[WebGem]

Just as funny putting Big Pun, Biggie and Rakim that high. The first two shouldn't even be on a top ten list.

Nor Kanye.

ROFL

Coming from some fucking Eminem mark that is HILARIOUS. Eminem probably shouldn't even be in the top 10. And there's a reason Jay-Z is on the list, it isn't because I like him. I fucking hate him and refuse to listen to his music unless I absolutely have to. If you think he or Rakim aren't in the top 10 I really don't know what world of hip hop you're listening to.

[notorious]

How the **** do you agree with his list? His list literally doesn't even make sense.

It's rap from the 90's. I was in high school and college.


Besides, it's the only list where I recognized a most of them

[NewChief]

And in a list that has people seriously throwing out Gucci Mane as a contender, I hardly think that Kanye or Eminem or Rakim or Big Pun are even close to the most egregious submissions.

[KurtCobain]

ROFL

Coming from some fucking Eminem mark that is HILARIOUS. Eminem probably shouldn't even be in the top 10. And there's a reason Jay-Z is on the list, it isn't because I like him. I fucking hate him and refuse to listen to his music unless I absolutely have to. If you think he or Rakim aren't in the top 10 I really don't know what world of hip hop you're listening to.

First of all I'm KurtCobain. Only like this till the lockout is over. Ironic that I lose a bet like that, and not three days later I'm agruing for eminem.

Second, you're retarded. Eminem uses as much different techniques and skill in one line than Rakim or Jay Z do in an entire album.

And I never said they shouldn't be on the list. I really couldn't seperate a top 5. Rakim is in there. He's not one though.

Really? Respect for Jay z? I don't know why that's become something everybody has to do, but it's stupid.

[SDChiefs]

Wow

[WebGem]

First of all I'm KurtCobain. Only like this till the lockout is over. Ironic that I lose a bet like that, and not three days later I'm agruing for eminem.

Second, you're retarded. Eminem uses as much different techniques and skill in one line than Rakim or Jay Z do in an entire album.

And I never said they shouldn't be on the list. I really couldn't seperate a top 5. Rakim is in there. He's not one though.

Really? Respect for Jay z? I don't know why that's become something everybody has to do, but it's stupid.

I knew who you were. No idea you lost a bet.

You said the top 2 don't belong in a top 10. Rakim was in the top 2.

[WebGem]

Wow

This guy is either really smart or really stupid, I wonder what posts he was wow'ing at.

I hope you're alright.

[NewChief]

Oh damnit. Black Star is on my list somewhere as well. I'll replace Kanye with them, since he's so objectionable (and yes, I know I'm getting two for one with Black Star).

[KurtCobain]

"Just as funny putting Big Pun, Biggie and Rakim that high. The first two shouldn't even be on a top ten list."

I meant the first two from my sentence, sorry for the confusion.

And it was a royals bet and I had to be a rapper till the lockout was over.

I would put Rakeem, Eazy E, Eminem, and Jadakiss in a pool for best rap skill I've ever heard. Tupac just outside for 5.

[NewChief]

Seems like a good place to embed this:

<iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/25632244?title=0&amp;byline=0&amp;portrait=0" width="400" height="225" frameborder="0"></iframe><p><a href="http://vimeo.com/25632244">SCSP Trailer x Blackstar x De La Soul x Rakim</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user2484234">1DA</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>

[zonachief]

I got a list, here's the order of the list that it's in:

1. Reggie (Redman)
2. Jay-Z
3. 2pac
4. Biggie
5. Andre from Outkast
6. Jada
7. Kurupt
8. Nas
9. Eminem


haha...nice....

[Ming the Merciless]

crank these with mad bass , then reassess your life

1. del

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG5La6k6eTI

2. dr. octogon / kool keith etc...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjKHQeRSvjk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fD6EFD7ves
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy3CHycwasA

3. immortal technique

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ7-Ex7xUx4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igt-jW4e8ts&playnext=1&list=PL3CD7BDBEC570DBD7

4. Andre Nikatina

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHvqq7gFCzU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFF1qX1O0ok
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_EYkMFAcqA&feature=related

5. 2Mex

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apkX9BwuLYE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8R8WeUbiZP4&feature=related

6. smoov-e

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNo4l5uOfUw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fxCOd5d5Iw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0E9_kDfsBmk

7. bizzy bone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dfFsq8pt8w&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FE1lo8WNCU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY55R3e1xyE&feature=related

8. lyrics born

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5E7WRgE2i8

9. 36

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-6G3A4L6S0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnrcU-2WyN8&feature=related


10 Afroman (yes these guys are so fucking good it hurts.....)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWylUZub5KM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QstNgN4ANaY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbHLj7xt5Rw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qprAfvN4bos&feature=related

i could go on, but id rather let all of you wack ass bitches suck jay-z's limp cock.....anyone who put jay z on there list is fucking FAIL

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

My Top 6:

1) Phat Shat Crapple

2) Mix-Master Egoli

3) Hot-Head Haleyz

4) Rockin' Rudy Jizzwanker

5) Disabled Vrabel

6) Big-Ballin' Smithy-Sac

[Rams Fan]

and put them in order. Do your top 10 as the 10 you think are the best overall. Not your 10 favorite rappers to listen to.

Yes it's an opinionated question, so give your opinionated answer. No there's no wrong answer, but it'll be funny to those of us who actually understand hip hop to see how awful some lists are.

1. Rakim
2. Jay-Z
3. Biggie
4. KRS-One
5. Nas
6. Big L
7. Pac
8. Eazy E
9. Big Pun
10. Eminem

Remember that this isn't name your favorite rappers in order, because if that were the case Nas, Eazy E and Big L would be my top 3 and neither are in the top 3.

Where the fuck is Dre?

[BigMeatballDave]

Nick Hexum

[WebGem]

crank these with mad bass , then reassess your life

1. del

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG5La6k6eTI

2. dr. octogon / kool keith etc...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjKHQeRSvjk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fD6EFD7ves
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy3CHycwasA

3. immortal technique

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ7-Ex7xUx4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igt-jW4e8ts&playnext=1&list=PL3CD7BDBEC570DBD7

4. Andre Nikatina

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHvqq7gFCzU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFF1qX1O0ok
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_EYkMFAcqA&feature=related

5. 2Mex

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apkX9BwuLYE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8R8WeUbiZP4&feature=related

6. smoov-e

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNo4l5uOfUw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fxCOd5d5Iw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0E9_kDfsBmk

7. bizzy bone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dfFsq8pt8w&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FE1lo8WNCU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY55R3e1xyE&feature=related

8. lyrics born

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5E7WRgE2i8

9. 36

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-6G3A4L6S0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnrcU-2WyN8&feature=related


10 Afroman (yes these guys are so ****ing good it hurts.....)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWylUZub5KM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QstNgN4ANaY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbHLj7xt5Rw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qprAfvN4bos&feature=related

i could go on, but id rather let all of you wack ass bitches suck jay-z's limp cock.....anyone who put jay z on there list is ****ing FAIL

lol, this is so stupid I can't even laugh that hard at it. Hence the lowercase lol. I mean seriously, you're trying way to hard to look like a hip hop smark. If you think Jay-Z isn't in the top 10, whatever I'm not gonna argue that as much as the latter part of what makes me laugh from your post. I've heard many, what I would consider okay, arguments from people with hip hop opinions I respect as to why Pac, Biggie, Jay-Z, Nas, etc don't belong in the top 10. I don't agree with any of them and will never come close to - except Pac is close, he doesn't do much for me. I have already stated I hate Jay-Z, but I can't deny his talent. He's really close to being my #1 tbh.

Calling me a weak ass bitch is pretty funny because I can promise you I know 10000000000000x more about hip hop than you do and I probably know 50x more about each rapper on your list than you do. If you don't believe me you can meet me in the GrindTime tinychat room or at Arrowhead sometime and we can show our knowledge. There's a reason that someone who knows that much about each rapper on your list wouldn't put them on the list, it's because they don't belong. I mean are you stupid? Del the fucking funkee homosapien #1 of all time? ROFLMAO! I've obviously heard the Immortal Tec argument a million times so you having him there is fine, as I said it's an opionionated list. But the majority of your list is just retarded. Bizzy Bone in the top 10 LMAO. Did you have Weedman blaring in your headphones while you were high as all fuck making this list?

[Rams Fan]

l Did you have Weedman blaring in your headphones while you were high as all **** making this list?

Still stunned you didn't include Dre in your list.

It must've been because you were high.

[Rams Fan]

1. Dre
2. Jay-z
3. Snoop
4. Tupac
5. Eminem
6. Ludacris
7. BIG
8. Warren G/Nate Dogg
9. Ice T
10. Method man

/thread

[Ming the Merciless]

lol, this is so stupid I can't even laugh that hard at it. Hence the lowercase lol. I mean seriously, you're trying way to hard to look like a hip hop smark. If you think Jay-Z isn't in the top 10, whatever I'm not gonna argue that as much as the latter part of what makes me laugh from your post. I've heard many, what I would consider okay, arguments from people with hip hop opinions I respect as to why Pac, Biggie, Jay-Z, Nas, etc don't belong in the top 10. I don't agree with any of them and will never come close to - except Pac is close, he doesn't do much for me. I have already stated I hate Jay-Z, but I can't deny his talent. He's really close to being my #1 tbh.

Calling me a weak ass bitch is pretty funny because I can promise you I know 10000000000000x more about hip hop than you do and I probably know 50x more about each rapper on your list than you do. If you don't believe me you can meet me in the GrindTime tinychat room or at Arrowhead sometime and we can show our knowledge. There's a reason that someone who knows that much about each rapper on your list wouldn't put them on the list, it's because they don't belong. I mean are you stupid? Del the ****ing funkee homosapien #1 of all time? ROFLMAO! I've obviously heard the Immortal Tec argument a million times so you having him there is fine, as I said it's an opionionated list. But the majority of your list is just retarded. Bizzy Bone in the top 10 LMAO. Did you have Weedman blaring in your headphones while you were high as all **** making this list?

You fail so hard. Put up 3 jay z songs where you think he can out-rap bizzy bone...Please...Jay Z sounds like an ignorant retard on the mic that can barely pronounce words or even finish sentences.

my list puts yours to shame in every way...

basically your list is like if I were to ask the top 10 restaurants in the USA and you answered 1) mcdonalds 2) taco johns 3) kfc 3) popeyes etc...youre just an ignorant idiot

[Rams Fan]

You fail so hard. Put up 3 jay z songs where you think he can out-rap bizzy bone...Please...Jay Z sounds like an ignorant retard on the mic that can barely pronounce words or even finish sentences.

my list puts yours to shame in every way...

While I don't think Jay-Z's a great rapper, I think he's be one of the most memorable rappers out there.

[KurtCobain]

Still stunned you didn't include Dre in your list.

It must've been because you were high.

Dr Dre?

He's one of the greatest producers.... rappers though? Not even top 25.

[BWillie]

Anybody that has jayz in the top ten has failed

[Rams Fan]

Dr Dre?

He's one of the greatest producers.... rappers though? Not even top 25.

Disagree.

He's one of the greatest rappers ever. If Eminem is on the list, Dr. Dre should be, too.

[KurtCobain]

Anybody that has jayz in the top ten has failed

This.

And pawnmower, I don't know half of the guys on your list well enough to rank them.

[KurtCobain]

Disagree.

He's one of the greatest rappers ever. If Eminem is on the list, Dr. Dre should be, too.

What? You do know he stopped writing his own raps years ago, right? Like, before I was born.

[Rams Fan]

What? You do know he stopped writing his own raps years ago, right? Like, before I was born.

I get that, but I think he influenced rap as we know it today.

[KurtCobain]

I get that, but I think he influenced rap as we know it today.

Maybe, but we're talking about the BEST rappers. And from what I get, we're basing it on rapping skill.

Not the most influential rapper, the best period.

Dre can set there and form amazingness in his head. He can direct a symphony into making the most amazing beats in the world, and he's a perfectionist. But he's not a good rapper. Not the whole show.

Even the rhymes he's had qhostwritten for him since the 90's have sucked.

[Ming the Merciless]

While I don't think Jay-Z's a great rapper, I think he's be one of the most memorable rappers out there.

Nah..He is a horrible rapper...He is just a GREAT producer and marketing agent basically.....

Saying he is a great rapper is like saying Hansen or NSYNC were great bands...

Sure the masses love it (mcdonalds) but thats because the masses are stupid.

This thread wasnt about great production/marketing....it was supposed to be about talent...at rapping. No one will know any of Jay Z's songs in 10 years...he isn't 'memorable' either..(and that isnt even the point of this thread).

[SDChiefs]

This guy is either really smart or really stupid, I wonder what posts he was wow'ing at.

I hope you're alright.

Op and first page. Dre doesn't even write his own shit. How is he top ten let alone top 2:

[Ming the Merciless]

This.

And pawnmower, I don't know half of the guys on your list well enough to rank them.

most people don't, thats ok...

but most people eat more at IHOP or olivegarden / red lobster than unknown but better local restaurants. More people drink bud/coors than unknown but better micro brews....

It is sadly the way of the world.

Marketing is king, people are sheep.

[WebGem]

You fail so hard. Put up 3 jay z songs where you think he can out-rap bizzy bone...Please...Jay Z sounds like an ignorant retard on the mic that can barely pronounce words or even finish sentences.

my list puts yours to shame in every way...

basically your list is like if I were to ask the top 10 restaurants in the USA and you answered 1) mcdonalds 2) taco johns 3) kfc 3) popeyes etc...youre just an ignorant idiot

To be honest, your list and it's stupidity is too much for me to even respond to and have an ongoing argument. If you want a comprehensive post about why Jay-Z is undoubtedly top 5, then read this:

http://board.rapmusic.com/hip-hop-central/868566-why-jay-z-best-rapper-fink-acurate3522.html

If an ROH PPV wasn't on right now I'd clown your dumb ass for a while but I don't have time today between the PPV and having horses deep.

Speaking of professional wrestling, you sound like a dumb fucking internet wannabe Indy smark who puts Chris Hero in the top 10 of all time. Hell, you're probably the guy from CZWFans that said he's the best ever. Is he, no? Shawn Michaels is, and that's not even debatable. But I'm not gonna argue with such a stupid fucking opinion.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

I'd rather discuss the top 10 yodelers of all time

[WebGem]

Op and first page. Dre doesn't even write his own shit. How is he top ten let alone top 2:

I never mentioned Dre. He's not even top 50.

[Ming the Merciless]

To be honest, your list and it's stupidity is too much for me to even respond to and have an ongoing argument. If you want a comprehensive post about why Jay-Z is undoubtedly top 5, then read this:

http://board.rapmusic.com/hip-hop-central/868566-why-jay-z-best-rapper-fink-acurate3522.html

If an ROH PPV wasn't on right now I'd clown your dumb ass for a while but I don't have time today between the PPV and having horses deep.

Speaking of professional wrestling, you sound like a dumb ****ing internet wannabe Indy smark who puts Chris Hero in the top 10 of all time. Hell, you're probably the guy from CZWFans that said he's the best ever. Is he, no? Shawn Michaels is, and that's not even debatable. But I'm not gonna argue with such a stupid ****ing opinion.

Look, i understand you go by other people's opinions. Your list makes that clear. I challenged you to find 3 songs where jay-z out raps bizzy bone (who wasn't even in the top of my list btw). This should be easy for you, correct? Just post the songs up..... You have had 30 minutes...I'm sure youve been looking on youtube this whole time, and now suddenly 'you don't have time.' You are a ****ing failure.....everyone can see it...You have to base your opinions on other stupid people.....No thanks. Try thinking for yourself some time instead of kicking rocks and looking down and stammering like a little ****. Oh and nice try to change the subject to wrestling...Probably a good idea since you clearly know JACK SHIT about music...Stick to subjects you can fake.

[KurtCobain]

I like JayZ and respect him, but he's not top five.

[SDChiefs]

I never mentioned Dre. He's not even top 50.

I was refering to the posts on page one. I love bone thugs and still don't think eazy e should be top ten and jay z is not better than nas let alone biggie and pac.

[WebGem]

Oh I want to say that even though I just referenced that old ass thread from FINK/Abstract, I don't agree with a lot of it. But like I said, it should at least help you somewhat that Jay-Z shits on anyone from your list. And FINK is a fucking faggot and I hope he's dead.

[Bwana]

I'd rather discuss the top 10 yodelers of all time

Franzl Lang

http://youtu.be/67rc96joOz8

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/252/514034.jpg

[DBOSHO]

I got a list, here's the order of the list that it's in:

1. Reggie (Redman)
2. Jay-Z
3. 2pac
4. Biggie
5. Andre from Outkast
6. Jada
7. Kurupt
8. Nas
9. Eminem

PROPS.

[WebGem]

Look, i understand you go by other people's opnions. Your list makes that clear. I challanged you to find 3 songs where jay-z out raps bizzy bone (who wasn't even in the top of my list btw). This should be easy for you, correct? Just post the songs up..... You have had 30 minutes...I'm sure youve been looking on youtube this whole time, and now suddenly 'you don't have time.' You are a ****ing failure.....everyone can see it...You have to base your opinions on other stupid people.....No thanks.

Yeah I totally go on other people's opinions. Especially considering I don't listen (at all) to hardly anyone on my top 10 list except for Big L and Rakim. You're a fucking idiot dude. But because I don't listen to Jay-Z ever doesn't take away from the fact that he's top 5 all time.

I've been a huge contributor to various parts of the hip hop community for over a decade, especially the last 3 years. If you want to have this argument, meet me in this chat room later on this week late at night or if you can't let me know when you have time. I'm extremely busy this month but I will try to accommodate.

http://tinychat.com/grindtimelive

I'll get on cam and give you any knowledge you want about hip hop because if you think I'm some clown that knows nothing you're dead wrong and I can promise you that. I'd be live on webcam so you can't accuse me of googling/YouTube'ing anything (as if that's even possible to do anyways). So if you wanna actually put your knowledge where your mouth is and prove you have any clue what you're talking about, let me know. I'm there just about every night when I get home from the Rio.

I haven't had 30 minutes to do shit. I already told you why I don't have time, I'm watching the ROH PPV right now. I'm posting this between the TV title match and tag match. I actually WATCH wrestling, so when there's a match on I don't have time to sit here and argue on RM with someone who doesn't know what they're talking about. I've been through this arguments too many times with wannabe smarks from RM and random wrestling forums. I'm to the point now that after 15 years of it, it's just stupid and not worth my time. But if you actually want to argue over this then do it in the GrindTime tinychat room where you can't hide behind a computer and act like you know what you're talking about.

[cardken]

Number One: Aluminum. Number Two: Glad Wrap.

[Rams Fan]

http://tinychat.com/grindtimelive



I got kicked out of the chat. Thanks.

[WebGem]

I got kicked out of the chat. Thanks.

lol why/how? i can tell whatever mod's in there to unban you. what was your name?

i'm in there now but i haven't had it open...the wrestling PPV i'm watching is an iPPV and i'm on my laptop so I have had that tab open 95% of the time.

[Rams Fan]

lol why/how? i can tell whatever mod's in there to unban you. what was your name?

i'm in there now but i haven't had it open...the wrestling PPV i'm watching is an iPPV and i'm on my laptop so I have had that tab open 95% of the time.


I went in as ramsfan.

What's your name in there?

Back in as Brian.

[WebGem]

I went in as ramsfan.

What's your name in there?

colbycorino

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Jay-Z was probably the slowest rapper ever. His songs put me to sleep. When he tried to rap fast he sounded uncomfortable. He was the rapper for slow kids lol

[Priest31kc]

I refuse to give my opinion in this thread. There's a staggering amount of idiocy in here.

This

[Chiefs Pantalones]

This guy is the best rapper of all time...

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[KurtCobain]

Yeah I totally go on other people's opinions. Especially considering I don't listen (at all) to hardly anyone on my top 10 list except for Big L and Rakim. You're a fucking idiot dude. But because I don't listen to Jay-Z ever doesn't take away from the fact that he's top 5 all time.


Make your opinion dude. How the fuck do you put someone you don't listen to on a top ten list? How do you know Jay Z is good if you don't listen to him?

That's ignorant.

[NewChief]

Make your opinion dude. How the **** do you put someone you don't listen to on a top ten list? How do you know Jay Z is good if you don't listen to him?

That's ignorant.

I'm assuming that he's listened to Jay-Z quite a bit, even if he doesn't like him that much. I agree with what you're saying, though. His list is basically the same list (with maybe a few deviations such as Big L) that any magazine would give you (or that I could have come up with off the top of my head. He basically just put up the same names that anyone puts up when they talk about best rappers of all time). That's why I made my post with the caveats they did. I could have said, 'Jay-Z is one of the best. Or Tupac is one of the best' but they're not to me. I didn't listen to them enough to say that they're the best. I've heard them. I respect their work. People whose opinions I respect respect their work. But I haven't listened to them enough to say that they're better than Too Short. And, to me at this point in time, they aren't.

He's also extremely hostile to any outside the box suggestions for top 10, so I'm not sure what the point of the thread was. Doesn't look like he really wants to discuss, just wants to show how much more hiphop he is than anyone else on here, I guess.

[Brock]

I think this guy's like 16. Just pathetic.

[Ming the Merciless]

Yeah I totally go on other people's opinions. Especially considering I don't listen (at all) to hardly anyone on my top 10 list except for Big L and Rakim. You're a ****ing idiot dude. But because I don't listen to Jay-Z ever doesn't take away from the fact that he's top 5 all time.

I've been a huge contributor to various parts of the hip hop community for over a decade, especially the last 3 years.

:LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL:

hahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

You're more retawded than Jay Z, son.

If you dont listen to 8 of the top 10 on YOUR OWN LIST then you obviously are just going off of other peoples opinions/lists, you imbecile.

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[Backwards Masking]

Don't personally listen to much rap. Not nearly enough backwards messages for my taste. It's supposedly "controversial" but most of the controversey comes from rapping about sex, drugs and guns, i.e. stuff everybody likes or does or owns. Not much controversey there.

My vote would have to go to Eminem, for the "Marshall Mathers LP" by Itself. Now THAT's a controversial record. Even listening to it in it's entirety the other day 11 plus years after it's release it still makes my jaw drop, CONSTANTLY. If more rap records had the attitude that LP had I'd listen to it a lot more, the stuff I get exposed to just sounds like bragging about how much money and chicks they're getting. But I'm a Rock homer admittedly.

[kysirsoze]

I enjoy Jay-Z at times, but it's kinda like how I enjoy a loud action movie. I wouldn't put that movie on my top 10 list.

Eminem, Mos Def, Redman, Method Man, Biggie, Talib Kwali, Bizzy Bone, and Common are a few guy I love off the top of my head.

I also like Trick Daddy, Ludacris (Until about 4 or 5 years ago), 50, and SOME Kanye, but I wouldn't put those guys in a best all-time discussion.

Eminem is the best all-time, IMO, but that's because lyrics are the most important part to me and no one can touch him in that department.

[Titty Meat]

Afrika Bambaataa
Run DMC
Notorius BIG
Jay-Z
Rakim
Nas
Tupac
NWA
Mobb Deep
Wu-Tang

My 10 personal favorites

Jay-Z
Cam'ron/ Dipset
2pac
Notorious Big
Big L
Mobb Deep
Nas
Big Pun
Jadakiss
Stack Bundles

[luv]

Snoop and Ludacris would be on the list.

Also Run DMC, and who could forget the Sugarhill Gang (they did do more than Rapper's Delight)?

[luv]

Also, Ice T.

[Titty Meat]

Jay-Z was probably the slowest rapper ever. His songs put me to sleep. When he tried to rap fast he sounded uncomfortable. He was the rapper for slow kids lol

Rapping isn't about who raps the fastest lmao

[Titty Meat]

Still stunned you didn't include Dre in your list.

It must've been because you were high.

Dr.Dre didn't even write his own fucking lyrics!

[luv]

Dr.Dre didn't even write his own fucking lyrics!

He's become one hell of a producer.

[kcxiv]

ill just put who i like the most out of this whole thing. I mean, i respect that there are great ones out there, but i am going to put ones up that i actually listen to.

1. E-40
2. Brotha Lynch Hung
3. NWA
4. Snoop (his new album is really fuckign good)
5. TuPac
6. C-Bo
7. Mac Dre
8. Andre Nikatina

yeah, i am from Nor Cal.

[Brock]

Dr. Dre is a decent rapper, but not one of the greats by any means. He's a producer, mostly. Ice Cube belongs on a top 10 list though.

[luv]

Tupac is probably my all-time favorite.

I like listening to the guy from Digital Underground, too.

I guess I could compose my own full list. I didn't think I could, but I just keep thinking of people I like and thought were good.

Oh, definitely Eminem, too.

[Titty Meat]

ill just put who i like the most out of this whole thing. I mean, i respect that there are great ones out there, but i am going to put ones up that i actually listen to.

1. E-40
2. Brotha Lynch Hung
3. NWA
4. Snoop (his new album is really ****ign good)
5. TuPac
6. C-Bo
7. Mac Dre
8. Andre Nikatina

yeah, i am from Nor Cal.

No DJ Quik? Fuck you!

[kcxiv]

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheKcXiV#grid/user/FCB0126E285DC2B8

my youtube play list, its mostly hardcore shit tho.

[kcxiv]

No DJ Quik? **** you!

DJ Quick has some good songs, just not enough of them.

[Titty Meat]

Dr. Dre is a decent rapper, but not one of the greats by any means. He's a producer, mostly. Ice Cube belongs on a top 10 list though.

Yea thats whats tough about these lists. Ice Cube was a beast but there was something about Eazy E. He was entertaining as fuck.

[luv]

Yea thats whats tough about these lists. Ice Cube was a beast but there was something about Eazy E. He was entertaining as fuck.

Were you even alive before he died?

[Chiefshrink]

Good music is like eating candy.....you always throw away the rappers.

Precisely:thumb:

[Ming the Merciless]

ill just put who i like the most out of this whole thing. I mean, i respect that there are great ones out there, but i am going to put ones up that i actually listen to.

1. E-40
2. Brotha Lynch Hung
3. NWA
4. Snoop (his new album is really ****ign good)
5. TuPac
6. C-Bo
7. Mac Dre
8. Andre Nikatina

yeah, i am from Nor Cal.

solid list..puts op's list to shame

[Backwards Masking]

can anyone name a rap record more controversial and more filled with attitude / disrespect than the Marshall Mathers LP? If so I'd like to buy it.

[KurtCobain]

Oh, definitely Eminem, too.

Definitely.

[Titty Meat]

Were you even alive before he died?

I was 10 I think when he died? Back then though I wasn't a huge fan I was more focused on Coolio LMAO. Back then though MTV played great music and I had to sneak rap into the house. Those were the days man!

[luv]

can anyone name a rap record more controversial and more filled with attitude / disrespect than the Marshall Mathers LP? If so I'd like to buy it.

Too Live Crew?

[Ming the Merciless]

can anyone name a rap record more controversial and more filled with attitude / disrespect than the Marshall Mathers LP? If so I'd like to buy it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2qiWiTzQac


or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGKR5Oe-4Oc

[Backwards Masking]

Too Live Crew?

Please someone tell me they can do better than this. I stopped being impressed by 2 Live Crew at 13 after the first time I heard Manson's Portrait Of An American Family.

[luv]

Please someone tell me they can do better than this. I stopped being impressed by 2 Live Crew at 13 after the first time I heard Manson's Portrait Of An American Family.

My apologies. You asked about controversial. They were the first ones to come to mind. They were quite controversial back in the day. If you're asking about something more controversial since Marshal Mathers, then I got nothin'.

[NewChief]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2qiWiTzQac


or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGKR5Oe-4Oc

Heh. I snuck on the Ghetto Boys tour bus when I was in High School and they played Pine Bluff. Shook Bushwick Bill's hand before they booted us off the bus. Almost got killed as well. We were the only white guys at the show. One of my friends got robbed in the bathroom, and another guy tried to loan us his gun because he said, "You're going to need it if you want to get out of here alive."

Good times.

[Backwards Masking]

My apologies. You asked about controversial. They were the first ones to come to mind. They were quite controversial back in the day. If you're asking about something more controversial since Marshal Mathers, then I got nothin'.

I remember them, thanks for trying. Can't believe nobody's topped a white boys record from 11 years ago in terms of controversey. I know, that's racist, flame away.

[Backwards Masking]

That Q Strange song was a pretty good start. Their whole record sound like that?

[Just Passin' By]

This thread would be much more inclusive if either the second or third "p" was missing from the title.

[KurtCobain]

I remember them, thanks for trying. Can't believe nobody's topped a white boys record from 11 years ago in terms of controversey. I know, that's racist, flame away.

It's shaaaady!

[luv]

I remember them, thanks for trying. Can't believe nobody's topped a white boys record from 11 years ago in terms of controversey. I know, that's racist, flame away.

It's a little more memorable when a white guy gives the middle finger to "the man" I guess.

[luv]

This thread would be much more inclusive if either the second or third "p" was missing from the title.

I never saw them rape people, so I couldn't possibly rank that.

[Ming the Merciless]

That Q Strange song was a pretty good start. Their whole record sound like that?

pretty much....

theyre kinda 'horror core' or whatnot..

also try immortal technique (on my top 10 list earlier)

hes always controversial:

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[KurtCobain]

I never saw them rape people, so I couldn't possibly rank that.

Then go with other people's opinions then, sheesh!

[Backwards Masking]

It's a little more memorable when a white guy gives the middle finger to "the man" I guess.

Uh, Marshall Mathers isn't more memorable because it's a white guy, it's more memorable cause it's the most controverisal (and IMO the best) rap record I have ever heard. Now THAT quote is TRULY racist!

[luv]

Uh, Marshall Mathers isn't more memorable because it's a white guy, it's more memorable cause it's the most controverisal (and IMO the best) rap record I have ever heard. Now THAT quote is TRULY racist!

You think it would have been just as memorable if a black guy was rapping about the same thing?

[Backwards Masking]

You think it would have been just as memorable if a black guy was rapping about the same thing?

Of course!

"i don't give a f*ck if this chick was my own mother i'd still f*ck her with no rubber and have a new son and a new brother at the same time and just say
that it ain't mine. What's my name?"

Again, that record was phenomenal beacuse it was phenomenal. Totally disagree with you here.

[luv]

Of course!

"i don't give a f*ck if this chick was my own mother i'd still f*ck her with no rubber and have a new son and a new brother at the same time and just say
that it ain't mine. What's my name?"

Again, that record was phenomenal beacuse it was phenomenal. Totally disagree with you here.

Oh, I agree that it was phenomenal in it's own right. I just think it was more publicly recognized and controversial because it was a white guy rapping the lyrics.

[Ming the Merciless]

Uh, Marshall Mathers isn't more memorable because it's a white guy,

youre wrong...

yes, mathers is phenominal on his own...but to say he isnt even a little more special cuz he was a white kid is naive at best.

[Backwards Masking]

youre wrong...

yes, mathers is phenominal on his own...but to say he isnt even a little more special cuz he was a white kid is naive at best.

It helped with his POPULARITY, I''m not arguing that. He isn't more special beacuse he's white, YOU'RE wrong. He IS more popular, but the record would have been just as phenomenal had it been written word for word and note by note by an unknown, sold less than a hundred copies and vanished into obscurity. Popularity and Sales DO NOT equal talent or greatness. Talent and greatness can be unheard of just as easily as garbage can sell 10 million copies.

[Backwards Masking]

Measuring the artistic merit or "specialness" of any work of art based on pupularity and sales is naive at best.

[luv]

It helped with his POPULARITY, I''m not arguing that. He isn't more special beacuse he's white, YOU'RE wrong. He IS more popular, but the record would have been just as phenomenal had it been written word for word and note by note by an unknown, sold less than a hundred copies and vanished into obscurity. Popularity and Sales DO NOT equal talent or greatness. Talent and greatness can be unheard of just as easily as garbage can sell 10 million copies.

You originally asked about controversial, but then changed to memorable. If he only sold a few hundred copies and vanished into obscurity, then you probably wouldn't have been asking about anything it.

[Backwards Masking]

You originally asked about controversial, but then changed to memorable. If he only sold a few hundred copies and vanished into obscurity, then you probably wouldn't have been asking about anything it.


Doesn't mean it wouldn't still have been a great record. Would I have listed it if I had never heard it. Absolutely not. But it STILL would be the best rap record even sitting in somebody's basement collecting dust. And that would not have happened just because a black unknown wrote it. That record was good enough that osburity was not an option. It probably would not have sold nearly as many copies or been as popular (I admitted that). It still would be my favorite rap record of all time. I was kidding before with the racist remarks.

[KurtCobain]

This whole thread has been racist and reported.

[Ming the Merciless]

wrong again...He was a breakthrough artist....Its the same as in other areas..(Obama 1st black president....Black Athletes etc)....To ignore the racial context of Marshal mathers and how that affected his life and music is absurd......its like political correctness gone horribly wrong....it IS more special that he is white....theres quite a fewo better rappers/freestylers than him...As a matter of fact the only reason you are so adamant about this is precisely BECAUSE he is white and popular....Ironic eh?

[Backwards Masking]

wrong again...He was a breakthrough artist....Its the same as in other areas..(Obama 1st black president....Black Athletes etc)....To ignore the racial context of Marshal mathers and how that affected his life and music is absurd......its like political correctness gone horribly wrong....it IS more special that he is white....theres quite a fewo better rappers/freestylers than him...As a matter of fact the only reason you are so adamant about this is precisely BECAUSE he is white and popular....Ironic eh?

Actually The Slim Shady LP came out BEFORE the Marshall Mathers LP.

Go back and read my posts I've admitted TWICE that the record would not have been as popular were he black. I think if he WERE black it would have been every bit as good a record. THAT'S ALL I SAID. Sheesh.

[Ming the Merciless]

Go back and read my posts I've admitted TWICE that the record would not have been as popular were he black. I think if he WERE black it would have been every bit as good a record. THAT'S ALL I SAID. Sheesh.

Well , although 'good' is a fairly subjective word, I disagree. To me, how 'good' a record is can depend on a number of contextual issues. For example, a record like Led Zeppelin I or Black Sabbath Paranoid. If you listen to those records, (most people with an ear for music) you will think....wow that is 'good.' But then you look at the DATE and you see they were written and produced in like 1968.....over 40 ****ing years ago....And you go...Holy Shit! For 1968 that is GODLY. Context matters.....Its the Same with Eminem.....You listen to him and you think...That kid is good...But then you understand the context of his music, being a white kid in detroit, one of the 1st successful white rappers...and it makes it BETTER.

Of course its just an opnion...I cant argue about your own definition of 'good.' I can only give you MINE. And in my world, context of music is important..

Another example is Lyrics Born...I listened to it, and immediately liked it...But then later on someone told me he was Japanese....it blew my mind. The context of it changed and it became even better to me. More special and unique.

Time, Place, Race, Gender, Sexuality....Politics .....Music has a context and to me that is an important aspect of it. Hip Hop is a culture.....

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Yet another example is Bad Brains:

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To ignore that they were black, rastfarians with dreads playing the hardest punk rock ever seen....would be....crazy. To ignore their blackness would be a shame and wouldnt paint the entire picture...and yes their music is better because theyre black rastas.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Dirt Nasty:

You can't get any sloppier or shittier than that.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Yet another example is Bad Brains:

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To ignore that they were black, rastfarians with dreads playing the hardest punk rock ever seen....would be....crazy. To ignore their blackness would be a shame and wouldnt paint the entire picture...and yes their music is better because theyre black rastas.

I'm seeing you in a WHOLE new light. Rep.

[Urc Burry]

Not having Andre 3k in the top ten is a fail

[Demonpenz]

I really love E-40.

[Ebolapox]

Were you even alive before he died?

I wasn't alive before Mozart died, but it doesn't stop me from enjoying his music every now and then.

[Backwards Masking]

Well , although 'good' is a fairly subjective word, I disagree. To me, how 'good' a record is can depend on a number of contextual issues. For example, a record like Led Zeppelin I or Black Sabbath Paranoid. If you listen to those records, (most people with an ear for music) you will think....wow that is 'good.' But then you look at the DATE and you see they were written and produced in like 1968.....over 40 ****ing years ago....And you go...Holy Shit! For 1968 that is GODLY. Context matters.....Its the Same with Eminem.....You listen to him and you think...That kid is good...But then you understand the context of his music, being a white kid in detroit, one of the 1st successful white rappers...and it makes it BETTER.

Of course its just an opnion...I cant argue about your own definition of 'good.' I can only give you MINE. And in my world, context of music is important..

Another example is Lyrics Born...I listened to it, and immediately liked it...But then later on someone told me he was Japanese....it blew my mind. The context of it changed and it became even better to me. More special and unique.

Time, Place, Race, Gender, Sexuality....Politics .....Music has a context and to me that is an important aspect of it. Hip Hop is a culture.....

Yet another example is Bad Brains:

To ignore that they were black, rastfarians with dreads playing the hardest punk rock ever seen....would be....crazy. To ignore their blackness would be a shame and wouldnt paint the entire picture...and yes their music is better because theyre black rastas.

We'll have to agree to disagree. Context DOES have a bearing on what gets classified as great art. No disputing that. But IMO it shouldn't. Something that is great is great regardless of trivial behind the scenes facts like time place, race, gender and all the rest. Again, I Never argued context doesn't have a bearing on what is considered great what isn't. I just don't think it should. The Marshall Mathers LP ain't better cause Em's white, Bad Brains ain't better because they were black. They are in your book and they are to the masses. But they aren't in mine.

[Demonpenz]

I tend to agree, look at Maroon 5, their lead singer is funky as hell, and no one gives a damn he is white, and oh by the way he is fucking awesome!

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

I know you kids won't think this is as cool as today's stuff but you need to at least know it if you're going to call yourself a rap fan... and besides it's way better than any jaywizzlediddymimen crap...

Ladies and gentlemen The Message by Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4o8TeqKhgY

[Mama Hip Rockets]

1. Aesop Rock
2. Brother Ali
3. Braille
4. Surreal (Sound Providers/Surreal & DJ Balance)
5. Rakim
6. Gift of Gab (Blackalicious)
7. Mos Def
8. Biggie Smalls
9. Big Pun
10. ManChild (Mars Ill/Move Merchants)

[Buck]

Hey guys, I'm not that huge of a rap fan, so I'm only going to give my top 5. Sorry about that WebGem.

1. Dylan
2. Dylan
3. Dylan
4. Dylan
5. Dylan

[KurtCobain]

1. Aesop Rock
2. Brother Ali
3. Braille
4. Surreal (Sound Providers/Surreal & DJ Balance)
5. Rakim
6. Gift of Gab (Blackalicious)
7. Mos Def
8. Biggie Smalls
9. Big Pun
10. ManChild (Mars Ill/Move Merchants)

Webgem will call you out for trying to act like you know more about rap, with a list like this, man.

[Rausch]

No sense of history...

No LL Cool J.
No NWA.
No Too $hort.
Not even a nod to George Clinton!?!

Fucking noobs...

[Ming the Merciless]

We'll have to agree to disagree. Context DOES have a bearing on what gets classified as great art. No disputing that. But IMO it shouldn't.

yes it should. I will leave you with two examples:


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I think i understand your point...context seems like it shouldnt logically affect our admiration for a given piece of art......but.....art isnt about logic. That is where we differ , methinks.

[blaise]

No Big Daddy Kane?

There's a Tribe Called Quest documentary coming out this summer, by the way. I'm sure very limited release.

[WebGem]

If you dont listen to 8 of the top 10 on YOUR OWN LIST then you obviously are just going off of other peoples opinions/lists, you imbecile.

Ummmm, no? I have obviously listened to every single album of everyone on my top 10 list. I'm saying that I don't listen to them hardly ever. I listen to music pretty much all day every day when I'm at work 50-60 hours a week and half of the time when I'm not working and out of anyone on my top 10 list I might listen to 1 or 2 of those rappers every couple weeks. The rest of that list I doubt I'd listen to at all more than a couple times a year. That doesn't mean I think they're great at what they do. Hip hop is 100% for sure the #1 inspiration in my life and I'm positive I wouldn't be who I am today without it. I've listened to and studied it hardcore since 1999 when I fell in love w/ 50 cent POTD and Benefit's self-titled album. So to say that I'm copying a list or others opinions is just retarded because I only know a handful of people who know as much about hip hop as I do.

Your post makes no sense though, did you put any thought into it? Since this forum knows I'm obsessed w/ professional wrestling..try this one out. Who's the best wrestler in the world right now? My opinion: Bryan Danielson/Davey Richards pretty much tied at #1. Do I watch Bryan Danielson matches? No. Do I enjoy most of his work in the past? Yes I guess, but not nearly as much as a lot of other wrestlers and I'd never go out of my way to watch his matches. But is he the best in the world? Yes, easily. And it's not that debatable as music is tbh. Now hopefully that makes sense to you? Why the hell would I put artists on the playlists that I actually listen to if I don't enjoy listening to them as much as others. What I personally listen to has NOTHING to do with this thread. I don't even listen to hip hop 50% of the time I listen to music anymore. From 95-2008 it was probably 90% hip hop but nowadays it honestly isn't even half.

BTW if you happen to be up Thesaurus is in GT tinychat (link I posted earlier) right now laughing his ass off at you. So come say hi if you want. He's won Scribble Jam and won the WRC's twice plus shitloads of other rap achievements but he must not know anything about hip hop either because he's dying laughing that someone said Bizzy Bone > Jay-Z. But hey, you're the genius here not anyone who actually works in and contributes to the industry like myself or Pete. Del is the #1 of all time and you are Jesus.

[WebGem]

Webgem will call you out for trying to act like you know more about rap, with a list like this, man.

That list is actually full of common names from the average person in one of these threads, so not sure why you said this. That idiot who had Del #1 had the most hilarious list in the history and I've been over this debate thousands and thosuands of times with tons of people.

[WebGem]

Oh here's another example for Pawnretard. Since I'm obviously a huge battle rap fan and have seen every single KOTD and GT battle in the history of their existence...my favorite battler is Rheteric Ramirez. Is he in the top 20? Fuuuuuuuuuck no. Not even close on anyone's list. His skill is < chedda cheese. But I've probably watched every single one of his battles at least 10 times. And that's serious. So I hope your stupid ass brain can work well enough to realize why when I listen to rap why I will almost certainly not be listening to anyone on my top 10 list. It's not that hard to get, I promise. Just keep trying.

Oh and can you guys please neg rep me again? I wanna be red before I get up tomorrow or I'm posting another burning flag.

[blaise]

We'll have to agree to disagree. Context DOES have a bearing on what gets classified as great art. No disputing that. But IMO it shouldn't. Something that is great is great regardless of trivial behind the scenes facts like time place, race, gender and all the rest. Again, I Never argued context doesn't have a bearing on what is considered great what isn't. I just don't think it should. The Marshall Mathers LP ain't better cause Em's white, Bad Brains ain't better because they were black. They are in your book and they are to the masses. But they aren't in mine.

It would make it difficult to appreciate some great works of satire without understanding their context at the time they were written. If you don't know know what Voltaire's referring to in parts of Candide, where Swift is coming from in his writing, or the social context of Moliere's time you're missing most of the effect. I don't understand why you would say it shouldn't matter, especially in works of satire. You'd just be limiting yourself, I believe, from enjoying great pieces of art.

[Alton deFlat]

Call me old, but I doubt I could even list 10 rappers, let alone a "top ten".

[Molitoth]

Ok guys, I will admit up front that I stopped caring about rap long ago... and that my top list is probably not very worthy of credability. Regardless, I'll name some stuff.
Just keep in mind that if you bash my list and have Jay ****ing Z in yours... I don't have any respect for your opinion on the matter either, lol.

This is what I was into back in the day:

1) Busta Rhymes (The Coming was pure brilliance)
2) Eminem (Can't deny his skills)
3) Snoop/Dre/Warren G (Chronic Era)
4) Do or Die (Do you wanna ride?)
5) Bone Thugs n Harmony (East 1999)
6) Tupac
7) BIGGY
8) ICP (What a bunch of tools, but back when Great Milenko came out, that shit was funny)
9) Master P (Make crack like this,,,, whaaa?)
10) Dr. Octagon (I used to spin the shit out of his stuff.... blue flowers!)

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Call me old, but I doubt I could even list 10 rappers, let alone a "top ten".

You're old. There.:p

[MOhillbilly]

krs-one
big
quik

these are the 3 i like best.

[Mama Hip Rockets]

Call me old, but I doubt I could even list 10 rappers, let alone a "top ten".

Why do these people come in this thread? Why do these people post in this thread?

I don't go into soccer threads and say "I don't know anything about soccer and I couldn't name ten soccer players." I don't go into Glee threads and say "I don't watch Glee and can't list my ten favorite Glee characters."

What is the point?

[alpha_omega]

Interesting thread....

Unfortunately, i am completely unqualified to list a top 10.

[SAUTO]

I refuse to give my opinion in this thread. There's a staggering amount of idiocy in here.

finally someone with some sense.

[SAUTO]

Heh. I snuck on the Ghetto Boys tour bus when I was in High School and they played Pine Bluff. Shook Bushwick Bill's hand before they booted us off the bus. Almost got killed as well. We were the only white guys at the show. One of my friends got robbed in the bathroom, and another guy tried to loan us his gun because he said, "You're going to need it if you want to get out of here alive."

Good times.

lol i used to have some pics of george clinton in the back seat of my buddy's taurus after a show in KC years ago.....


yeah we used to party hard. his security wasnt too happy with us OR him when we dropped him off at the tour bus at 7 A.M.

[SAUTO]

"Just as funny putting Big Pun, Biggie and Rakim that high. The first two shouldn't even be on a top ten list."

I meant the first two from my sentence, sorry for the confusion.

And it was a royals bet and I had to be a rapper till the lockout was over.

I would put Rakeem, Eazy E, Eminem, and Jadakiss in a pool for best rap skill I've ever heard. Tupac just outside for 5.


no love for biggie?


and i will say that no mention of too short in the first 3 posts makes me a sad panda.

[SAUTO]

No sense of history...

No LL Cool J.
No NWA.
No Too $hort.
Not even a nod to George Clinton!?!

Fucking noobs...

yep this to ya rausch....

[NewChief]

lol i used to have some pics of george clinton in the back seat of my buddy's taurus after a show in KC years ago.....


yeah we used to party hard. his security wasnt too happy with us OR him when we dropped him off at the tour bus at 7 A.M.

How many trips to the rockhouse did you all have to make that night? ;)

[NewChief]

I gave Too Short some love. One of the better things to happen in rap lately is the number of cameos Too $hort is starting to make (along with Busta Rhymes, who is also making a resurgence).

[Alton deFlat]

Why do these people come in this thread? Why do these people post in this thread?

I don't go into soccer threads and say "I don't know anything about soccer and I couldn't name ten soccer players." I don't go into Glee threads and say "I don't watch Glee and can't list my ten favorite Glee characters."

What is the point?

:hmmm:

I've never been one of "these" guys before, but if it chaps your ass a little less....

Jay-Z
Eminem
Snoop Dog
Ice-T

[SAUTO]

How many trips to the rockhouse did you all have to make that night? ;)

lol why do you think he was WITH US?

[KurtCobain]

Give me two fat tabs and three shrooms and you won't see me like fat people in steam rooms.

[NewChief]

lol why do you think he was WITH US?

That's what I was going to say. Luring George Clinton into your car probably wasn't that hard. "Hey George. I got some crack. Want to hang out?"

[blaise]

I think asking who the best MC is and the best rapper are two different things. And, some people included acts with multiple MCs so it's even more confusing. I don't think Jay Z is one of the great MCs and he's not a guy I really enjoy, but he's had a great career and he's a giant in the genre. Biggie had, I think, the best microphone skills of anyone I've ever heard, but his career was cut short and a lot of his stuff seems dated to me now. It came out of that whole, "Cristal" era.
If you're talking about best microphone skills I say Biggie, Big Daddy Kane and Rakim. If you're talking about body of work and longevity, I don't know. That's different.

[kcxiv]

Ok guys, I will admit up front that I stopped caring about rap long ago... and that my top list is probably not very worthy of credability. Regardless, I'll name some stuff.
Just keep in mind that if you bash my list and have Jay ****ing Z in yours... I don't have any respect for your opinion on the matter either, lol.

This is what I was into back in the day:

1) Busta Rhymes (The Coming was pure brilliance)
2) Eminem (Can't deny his skills)
3) Snoop/Dre/Warren G (Chronic Era)
4) Do or Die (Do you wanna ride?)
5) Bone Thugs n Harmony (East 1999)
6) Tupac
7) BIGGY
8) ICP (What a bunch of tools, but back when Great Milenko came out, that shit was funny)
9) Master P (Make crack like this,,,, whaaa?)
10) Dr. Octagon (I used to spin the shit out of his stuff.... blue flowers!)

Master P's early shit kicked so much ass, with 99 Ways to die and The Ghetto's trying to kill me along with the first 2 TrU albums. great stuff.

[WebGem]

It's funny how Pawnclown can rep this morning but he can't respond ITT because he's too fucking stupid and anyone who has any clue about hip hop laughs at his list and anything he says. He's probably butthurt that I said Thesaurus was laughing at him. Since he's from the Bay he's probably a huge Pete fan. Hell, he's probably the "How would you feel, Pete?" guy who got robbed trying to get him on his 16 LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

It's also funny how you ignored a challenge to show up in Tinychat where we can see who really knows more about hip hop and even your own top 10 who I'm 100% sure I know far more about than you.

And no sorry I'm not retarded and didn't fail special day class. I don't even know what special day class is, but I've never failed any class in my life so I probably haven't failed that. I did graduate from college with a 3.91 GPA though, albeit from a complete joke of a college, but I haven't failed a class nonetheless.

So hey why don't you man up and put your actual knowledge where your mouth is and prove you have a single fucking clue what you're talking about?

[Ming the Merciless]

Your post makes no sense though, did you put any thought into it?

BTW if you happen to be up Thesaurus is in GT tinychat (link I posted earlier) right now laughing his ass off at you. So come say hi if you want. He's won Scribble Jam and won the WRC's twice plus shitloads of other rap achievements but he must not know anything about hip hop either because he's dying laughing that someone said Bizzy Bone > Jay-Z. But hey, you're the genius here not anyone who actually works in and contributes to the industry like myself or Pete. Del is the #1 of all time and you are Jesus.

I did put thought into my post, unlike you who just copied your pillowbitergot friend's list. I asked you simply 3 times to throw up 3 songs by Jay Z where he out-raps bizzy. You can't. Hell, go back and look at my post, i threw up examples from all 10 of my choices.... You keep talking shit about deltron, yet he can rap circles around jay z. Please , please put up ANYTHING by jay-z that shows he is a better RAPPER than deltron.....I dare you.

I dont care how many awards you and your lover put on each other's bodies in the dark while you listen to big pimpin.....it doesn't mean you know shit about hip hop.....you can shove your awards in your ass. You even admit you dont listen to the shit on your OWN list......hey but im glad you feel your cardboard cookie cutter list represents real hip hop...and you and your hard ass homeys who are 'more' real hip hop in your hip hop chat room....LOL

I have an award for you too: The T.otally A.wesome R.adical D.eejay award for the best top 10 list , congrats webgem!

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[SAUTO]

That's what I was going to say. Luring George Clinton into your car probably wasn't that hard. "Hey George. I got some crack. Want to hang out?"

LMAO not my car though

[ThaVirus]

I'm laughing at all you oldheads putting Eazy E and Too Short in your top 10. Yeah, I love listening to them too and no doubt they had a huge impact on rap in it's earliest stages. But seriously, those guys have some of the most juvenile lyrics ever: "Yo I don't do dope but I'm dope, not a dope but I'm doper than anybody who tries to cope with the rhyme I'm displaying".

I also love all the people that bag on rap and how it's changed lately. Yeah, we have shitty rappers that talk about money, hoes and clothes, but they weren't doing much different back in 1993 either. With that said, it's damn near impossible to make a list of top 10 rappers without separating the nowadays from the olden days, so here's my new school list:
***Notice: I've foregone the OP rules of going with who I think is the best overall and went with my own ranking based on several different aspects of lyricism as well as overall music making ability. I tried to only include guys are relevant today. So although guys like Busta and Nelly may be making resurgences and Andre 3000/Big Boi/Nas are always around I avoided them altogether. The last thing of note is that I left Jay Z off the list entirely because he sucks...***

1. Eminem- I don't think many people will argue about this one. He rips pretty much everything he gets on and it's hard to argue with over 80 millions records sold. I'd say his biggest weakness is that the whole "pissed off white guy" thing gets a bit old at times, also his whole Relapse period is a bit of a blemish on his otherwise flawless track record.

2. Drake- Probably the most relateable rapper out right now. He has a way of making you feel what he's talking about in everything he does. I put him ahead of Wayne because he's almost as clever with his lyrics but he actually makes sense in his rhymes. His biggest "weakness", if you could call it that, is that he sings a lot.

3. Lil Wayne- Most definitely the most popular rapper today behind Eminem. He rips everything he's off and is WITHOUT A DOUBT the most clever rapper EVER. He's been rapping for over a decade now and has so many different styles and flows he probably won't get "old" anytime soon. My main problem with Weezy is that he never sticks a linear path in his rhymes. "Just talked to moms, told her she the sweetest. I beat the beat up, call it self defense" I could list a million of his rhymes that do basically just that-RHYME, nothing more. He'll relate macaroni and cheese to quantum physics in the very next line. The metaphors he comes up with are clever no doubt, but he loses points for foregoing any form of sense.

4. T.I.- He's been going through some issues lately with his best friend getting murdered, the prison stint, and now apparently him and his wife are into drugs, but since he's come out in the early 2000s he's been a consistent heavyweight in the rap game. I like the conscientious vibe he's taken in his past couple CDs, it seems he's getting a bit more mature musically as most of his songs have a positive message of stopping the violence (I'm aware it's a contradiction with his recent activity, but still...)

5. J. Cole- New guy in the game that's about ready to blow up. There aren't many rappers that have as much substance as J.Cole. He just needs to figure out how to make "hit" music and he'll be one of the best.

6. Kanye West- Kanye would be in my top 3 if it weren't for My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy and 808's and Heartbreaks. He's obviously been pretty depressed and it's rubbing off heavily in his music, I'm awaiting the pre-Graduation Kanye.

7. Ludacris- Ludacris is a tough one. I feel he doesn't get nearly the respect he deserves as an artist and I'm not sure why. Like TI, he's been a consistent force in the game since Back for the First Time, but during that time I feel like he's never been looked at as a top3 guy like Wayne, Kanye or TI. Recently he's been slacking a bit, I didn't like Release Therapy, Theater of the Mind, or Battle of the Sexes much, also he's been featured on a lot of "pop-rap" songs with guys like Taio Cruz and Justin Bieber. Nonetheless, if there were a Hip-Hop Hall of Fame, Luda would be in it.

8. Fabolous- Fabolous is one of those guys that's been around for the longest time but hasn't really made a big impact on the game. Either way, Fab's a lyricist and anyone with a brain can tell that, he just hasn't mastered the art of making super smash music yet.

9. Rick Ross- Ross is probably my favorite gangster rapper right now. I like his mellowed out voice and he has some pretty clever rhymes. Basically, it makes me feel pretty gangster when I listen to him.

10. Young Jeezy/ Nicki Minaj/ Lupe Fiasco- These guys are all pretty much interchangeable to me. Jeezy and Minaj are both pretty good lyrically and have definitely been making hit music, Lupe's kinda new in the mainstream scene so he doesn't have the track record but he's without a doubt the best lyricist of the three.




This list is open to amendment and I may have overlooked a rapper or two, but any questions?

[WebGem]

lol @ that list which was just posted. i will not even begin with this guy, and that's a promise. pawnfag you're still fair game though, let me know if you're gonna show up.

[SDChiefs]

It's funny how Pawnclown can rep this morning but he can't respond ITT because he's too fucking stupid and anyone who has any clue about hip hop laughs at his list and anything he says. He's probably butthurt that I said Thesaurus was laughing at him. Since he's from the Bay he's probably a huge Pete fan. Hell, he's probably the "How would you feel, Pete?" guy who got robbed trying to get him on his 16 LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

It's also funny how you ignored a challenge to show up in Tinychat where we can see who really knows more about hip hop and even your own top 10 who I'm 100% sure I know far more about than you.

And no sorry I'm not retarded and didn't fail special day class. I don't even know what special day class is, but I've never failed any class in my life so I probably haven't failed that. I did graduate from college with a 3.91 GPA though, albeit from a complete joke of a college, but I haven't failed a class nonetheless.

So hey why don't you man up and put your actual knowledge where your mouth is and prove you have a single fucking clue what you're talking about?

Dane?

[Ming the Merciless]

lol @ that list which was just posted. i will not even begin with this guy, and that's a promise. pawnpillowbiter you're still fair game though, let me know if you're gonna show up.

So you want me to come to a chatroom to settle an argument on a CP thread? You dont make sense...Why dont you just post 3 jay Z songs where he out-raps deltron and bizzy?IN THIS THREAD You can even ask all your homies in the chat room to help you....just come back here to this thread with 3 songs where Jay z blows del and bizzy away with his mad skills. I will be here, waiting.

[ThaVirus]

lol @ that list which was just posted. i will not even begin with this guy, and that's a promise. pawnpillowbiter you're still fair game though, let me know if you're gonna show up.

Well I'm pretty good at debating without getting condescending, although I can see you haven't quite mastered that skill; but uhhhhh, why don't you go ahead and dissect my list...

[KurtCobain]

lol @ that list which was just posted. i will not even begin with this guy, and that's a promise. pawnpillowbiter you're still fair game though, let me know if you're gonna show up.

You have an awfully big head. Why'd you even start this thread, just to bitch at people for their opinions?

And his new school list was pretty good.

[Urc Burry]

@ThaVirus... Good call on J. Cole, it may be soon but I think he is going to be the future of hip hop

[ThaVirus]

You have an awfully big head. Why'd you even start this thread, just to bitch at people for their opinions?

And his new school list was pretty good.

Why thank you, good sir... I'd also like to reiterate that I stuck to mainstream artists for my list, so please don't come at me with some Immortal Technique, Black Thought or your favorite local rapper. If you ain't making a splash at the very least on the fringe, I'm not going to consider you (as I mentioned when I said I included several different aspects of lyricism AND overall music making ability).

[NewChief]

There's only one person wearing clown shoes in this thread, and the best part is that he has no clue how moronic and silly he sounds.

[ThaVirus]

@ThaVirus... Good call on J. Cole, it may be soon but I think he is going to be the future of hip hop

I agree. He's going to be one of those guys that preserves the essence of hip-hop, if that makes any sense.. I just hope he doesn't lose track of what makes him him when he blows up.

[Ming the Merciless]

lol @ that list which was just posted. i will not even begin with this guy, and that's a promise. pawnpillowbiter you're still fair game though, let me know if you're gonna show up.

Im showd up....Ill just post a bizzy freestyle from a cellphone while you try and dig up 3 videos where jay z out-raps him in the studio....good luck kid.

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oh and i wonder what would happen if you asked jay z to freestyle on cam drunk at a bar..? would he do it?

[alpha_omega]

Why do these people come in this thread? Why do these people post in this thread?

I don't go into soccer threads and say "I don't know anything about soccer and I couldn't name ten soccer players." I don't go into Glee threads and say "I don't watch Glee and can't list my ten favorite Glee characters."

What is the point?

I am one of "those" people, huh?

Dude...it's Chiefs Planet...you know the deal (or at least you should)!

Truth is, i was curious to see who the CP braintrust thought were the top 10, but felt like i should post since i was in the thread anyway.

Bottom line....STFU and go visit a soccer or a Glee thread!

[SDChiefs]

Im showd up....Ill just post a bizzy freestyle from a cellphone while you try and dig up 3 videos where jay z out-raps him in the studio....good luck kid.

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oh and i wonder what would happen if you asked jay z to freestyle on cam drunk at a bar..? would he do it?

Bones my favorite group of all time and I love bizzy but krayzie>bizzy. Imo

[Ming the Merciless]

Bones my favorite group of all time and I love bizzy but krayzie>bizzy. Imo

i actually like krayzies voice better too, i just think bizzie has some mad skillz, but yah....i can dig that for sure.

either one is more skilled at RAPPING than jay z 100%

[SDChiefs]

i actually like krayzies voice better too, i just think bizzie has some mad skillz, but yah....i can dig that for sure.

either one is more skilled at RAPPING than jay z 100%

I agree.

[Al Bundy]

i actually like krayzies voice better too, i just think bizzie has some mad skillz, but yah....i can dig that for sure.

either one is more skilled at RAPPING than jay z 100%

That isn't saying much. I never liked Bone, but they all seemed to go downhill pretty quickly after Eazy died.

[KCUnited]

Slick Rick tops my list.

[SDChiefs]

That isn't saying much. I never liked Bone, but they all seemed to go downhill pretty quickly after Eazy died.

They blew up after eazy died. E 1999 sold over 10 million albums and the art of war sold over 4 million. I wouldn't call that falling off.

[Al Bundy]

They blew up after eazy died. E 1999 sold over 10 million albums and the art of war sold over 4 million. I wouldn't call that falling off.

Yes they sold a lot on those 2. It is too bad that Eazy died. I didn't realize that they had a huge album in 1997. I admitted earlier I was never a fan of Bone Thugs. Seems weird though that it has been a decade since they were really relevant.

[SPATCH]

Hate him or love him.. you can't deny Kanye West. As far as contemporary rap goes, there is NO ONE that approaches Kanye lyrically.

*Eminem is old guard now, imo.

[SDChiefs]

Yes they sold a lot on those 2. It is too bad that Eazy died. I didn't realize that they had a huge album in 1997. I admitted earlier I was never a fan of Bone Thugs. Seems weird though that it has been a decade since they were really relevant.

Ressurection which came out in2000 went platinum in one month and stregnth and loyalty which came out in 2007 was number two on billboard top 200 and number 1 on itunes. Id say they've maintained relevence.

[Al Bundy]

Ressurection which came out in2000 went platinum in one month and stregnth and loyalty which came out in 2007 was number two on billboard top 200 and number 1 on itunes. Id say they've maintained relevence.

2000 was a decade ago, and no they are not that relevant on the rap scene anymore. 4 years in the rap game is a long time. You're a fan of theirs I am not, I never thought they were that good and still don't.

[CoMoChief]

Here are the top 5......IMO there are these guys, then everyone else in terms of greatness.

1. Aaron Carter
2a. Lil' Ronnie
2b. Vanilla Ice
4. The Blizzard Man
5. K-Fed

[Al Bundy]

2010's album was a dud for Bone Thugs.

[Sanka]

About to OD, anybody that know me
Can tell you I'm bout to make shit feel like it's '03
More like '99
No names should be mentioned but mine, unless you talkin' Big Pun in his prime
Maybe '96 Jay, before Dame was throwin' money around
Or 2pac without Humpty around
Or 50 before Em, Nas talkin' like a gun in his song
Cam'ron during "Children Of The Corn"
Beans before the cops came through and try to grill 'em
I'm talkin '95, Big L before they killed 'em
Em before 8 Mile, Shyne before the jail shit
Canibus, no album out before the L shit
Talkin' bout Kiss, DMX when he was fuckin' wit coke
Or Cuban Linx, with Raekwon and Ghost I do it all, who blendin' so well in the game
Talkin' Fab, back when he was still spellin' his name
On my Diddy shit, Memphis Grizzly shit
Like back in the day when Clue swiped all of Biggie's shit
Rappers don't need trouble with I Unless it's Rass Kass before the D.W.I
Or Talib with Mos, Common before "Be"
If they any less common, don't put 'em before me
See, I'm not a rapper, I'm a prophet

[SAUTO]

Virus: I read what u said about being relevant right now. But can't see how you could laugh at too short and then throw out jeezy, minaj, fiasco.......


Son I am disappoint.
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[Jim Jones]

Anyone doubting Jay-Z's placement in a top 10 list really needs to listen to songs like Dead Presidents I and II, Brooklyn's Finest, D'Evils, Soon You'll Understand, 99 Problems, American Dreamin', Friend of Foe, Can't Knock the Hustle, so on and so forth. The guy has one of the strongest and deepest catalogues in hip hop history. He's easily top 10 and an argument could easily be made for top 5.

[SDChiefs]

2000 was a decade ago, and no they are not that relevant on the rap scene anymore. 4 years in the rap game is a long time. You're a fan of theirs I am not, I never thought they were that good and still don't.

They are still one of the highest selling rap groups of all time. And 15 years of relevence is more than enough time to hold their place in history. And you said they haven't been relevent in over a decade and art of war was the last time they were. Im just stating you're wrong. Whether you like them or not, I couldn't care less.

[SDChiefs]

2010's album was a dud for Bone Thugs.

No it wasn't. And what is the threshold of dud? 5million albums? I don't think they have a single album that hasn't gone at least gold but im not sure the album sells for uni5 though.

[Al Bundy]

No it wasn't. And what is the threshold of dud? 5million albums? I don't think they have a single album that hasn't gone at least gold but im not sure the album sells for uni5 though.

Those first two records were enough to hold their spot in history. I've never denied that. But to me, 4-5 years is an eternity in the rap game. Bone, stands up there with Ice Cube, Too Short, E-40 sales and history wise.

[SDChiefs]

Those first two records were enough to hold their spot in history. I've never denied that. But to me, 4-5 years is an eternity in the rap game. Bone, stands up there with Ice Cube, Too Short, E-40 sales and history wise.

They were 1-2 men short for over a decade and they haven't really done many albums of recently. They aren't and have never been like eminem releasing an album every one to two years.

[Al Bundy]

They were 1-2 men short for over a decade and they haven't really done many albums of recently. They aren't and have never been like eminem releasing an album every one to two years.

Not sure what did it to them. I did an in-store with Bizzy Bone several years ago and he was an incredibly nice guy. They definitely could have been even more.

[ThaVirus]

Virus: I read what u said about being relevant right now. But can't see how you could laugh at too short and then throw out jeezy, minaj, fiasco.......


Son I am disappoint.
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Well I left Too Short off not only because he isn't relevant today, he's also not that good of a rapper. There's a reason he's primarily popular in the Bay Area, although a lot of old school listeners remember him from back in the day. I did a quick search and found he has 11 studio albums. Can you name 3 of them without googling? That alone lands him in the list of irrelevance to me, with over 11 albums (including EPs and such) you need to make a bigger splash than the ripples he's made.

And pertaining to my list, those last three were just bleh to me. That's why they're interchangeable. Jeezy thinks he's some kind of street motivator, but he doesn't even stand for anything, Nicki Minaj is the female, less talented version of Lil Wayne, and I can't really ride on Lupe. He's actually an extremely solid lyricist and he's only going to get better now that's he's known.

I understand the Too Shorts, Eazy Es, and Warren Gs carry a hell of a lot of nostalgia to you guys, but the truth is they were all pretty basic. On an all time list I'd put Rakim, Nas, Eminem, Biggie, Snoop, Pac, LL Cool J, Andre 3000, Big Boi, Ice Cube, Dr. Dre, damn near every member of Bone Thugs and a few others I can't think of right now before I'd put those guys down.

[Jim Jones]

TheVirus - I don't even understand what your list is. It's obviously not top 10 of all time. Is it your top 10 currently? 10 random rappers you like who are relevant? I don't get it. Drake as the SECOND BEST RAPPER IN THE GAME? With all due respect, because I don't like to insult people for their opinions, but that's ****ing retarded. Drake is popular because women like him, that doesn't make him one of the top rappers alive today. Making a list off of who's relevant right now is stupid because Drake could easily be a nobody two years from now.

Also I have a problem putting J Cole over, well, just about anyone since he's never dropped an album. He does have some skills, but for someone who is so concerned about what rappers are relevant right now, you neglect the fact that J Cole's buzz has pretty much all but died. Putting him over someone comparable to him, like Big Sean, who actually has a hit single and an album about to drop, is kind of ridiculous. Especially since your #2 rapper Drake's whole style was ripped off from Big Sean.

[Al Bundy]

Too Short is in top 10, mainly because he owned the early to mid 90's. He opened the door for the Bay area and along with Eazy E and Ice Cube opened the door for the west coast as a whole.

[jason54858]

1. Tupac
2. BIG
3. Nas
4. Jay Z
5. Styles P
and the rest

[ThaVirus]

TheVirus - I don't even understand what your list is. It's obviously not top 10 of all time. Is it your top 10 currently? 10 random rappers you like who are relevant? I don't get it. Drake as the SECOND BEST RAPPER IN THE GAME? With all due respect, because I don't like to insult people for their opinions, but that's ****ing retarded. Drake is popular because women like him, that doesn't make him one of the top rappers alive today. Making a list off of who's relevant right now is stupid because Drake could easily be a nobody two years from now.

Also I have a problem putting J Cole over, well, just about anyone since he's never dropped an album. He does have some skills, but for someone who is so concerned about what rappers are relevant right now, you neglect the fact that J Cole's buzz has pretty much all but died. Putting him over someone comparable to him, like Big Sean, who actually has a hit single and an album about to drop, is kind of ridiculous. Especially since your #2 rapper Drake's whole style was ripped off from Big Sean.

Yes, my list is basically the top 10 rappers of today, or the new school as I put it. I stated in my original post that it's damn near impossible to create a list that fuses these new guys out today with the ones from yesteryear because rap has changed quite a bit since then, so I avoided them altogether. That's why I mentioned but didn't include guys like Busta Rhymes, Nas, Andre 3000 and the like who've been featured on songs or even put out albums recently, because I feel like they've carried over and could be considered old school.

I'll admit it's tough doing these rankings. I tried to include a decent amount of relevance (as you can see a lot of the people on the list have just became hot within the past couple years) but also wanted to include their past work as well (which is why Luda made the list). It's like ranking the best players at certain positions in sports. Say we were ranking the best RBs right now. Yeah, Arian Foster lead the league in damn near everything, but how many people would actually say he's the best running back in the league right now? At the same time a guy like Adrian Peterson who didn't even go for 1300 yards (although he did have 12 TDs) will pretty consistently be put in everyone's top 2... I'm not sure if this is making any sense to you so I'll just leave it at that.

To your Drake point, that's just preposterous. Have you ever listened to the man? I admitted that he sings a lot, but that shouldn't be used against him in a negative way. Look at Lil Wayne (Kanye too), his ass is always singing and autotuning, at least Drake is good at it. It seems to me based on his albums and mixtapes, he does about 50-50 rapping and singing, but he always does a great job rapping and most of all he has substance, unlike a lot of other rappers. Drake catches a lot of shit from hardcore rap lovers for singing, but any one of them that isn't hating will give him props for his rapping ability.

And I can feel where you're coming from about J.Cole. I didn't want to put him on this list for the fact that he hasn't released a studio album, but he's one of the few "underground" artists I've listened to and he's just too good to ignore. He's had three mixtapes, his most recent being released in Novemeber of last year but he's been getting regular radio play in my area (In the Morning, You Got It, and another track I forgot the name). Not to mention he'll be dropping his first studio album in September of this year. I'm not sure where you are or what you're doing but J.Cole's buzz has never been higher and his stock is going up.

[SDChiefs]

Not sure what did it to them. I did an in-store with Bizzy Bone several years ago and he was an incredibly nice guy. They definitely could have been even more.

Flesh was in prison and bizzy had troubles and left to do his own thing. I've met layzie and he's hella cool but never met anyone else so I can't say.

[ThaVirus]

Putting him over someone comparable to him, like Big Sean, who actually has a hit single and an album about to drop, is kind of ridiculous. Especially since your #2 rapper Drake's whole style was ripped off from Big Sean.

I'm also curious to hear more about this ripping of Big Sean's style you speak of. You say Drake is only popular because women like, and I'm assuming that's because he can sing, but I've never heard Big Sean sing. Also, anytime I've ever heard Big Sean rapping it's always about some random nonsense. He may have some substance but I'll just say that I haven't heard too much of it. Meanwhile Drake is always rapping about real shit, that's why I stated that he's one of the most relateable rappers out there. He raps about how his life has changed so much with the fame, relationships with family and friends, as well as the typical materialism and misogyny you'll hear from any other rapper... Honestly, although I disagree that Drake ripped his style off of Big Sean, even if he did I wouldn't give a damn because Drake has obviously perfected it and is doing it about a million times better than the so-called originator.

[Ming the Merciless]

Anyone doubting Jay-Z's placement in a top 10 list really needs to listen to songs like Dead Presidents

dead presidents = garbage

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Crap song. No flow, feeling or heart....just marketed garbage that bustas like you pay for on itunes.

Everyone on my list has better songs than that. Hell i can throw up a couple white kids that arent slim shady that can rap better...sad if you really think jay z is good

2 good songs better than anything jay z ever dreamed of

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ill keep ****ing going

[Al Bundy]

dead presidents = garbage

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Crap song. No flow, feeling or heart....just marketed garbage that bustas like you pay for on itunes.

Everyone on my list has better songs than that. Hell i can throw up a couple white kids that arent slim shady that can rap better...sad if you really think jay z is good

2 good songs better than anything jay z ever dreamed of

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ill keep ****ing going

Swollen Members was pretty good, but that second one was shit.

[Ming the Merciless]

Swollen Members was pretty good, but that second one was shit.

my whole point is i can pick basically at random and if you just look at the rap skill it will be higher than jay z

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

my whole point is i can pick basically at random and if you just look at the rap skill it will be higher than jay z

I liked the "Throw your hands up"-tune, but beyond that...

Meh.

[rocknrolla]

Every time I see this thread, I think it say's "Top 10 rapers of all time?"

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Every time I see this thread, I think it say's "Top 10 rapers of all time?"

Rapelisburger has to make that list.

[Ming the Merciless]

Every time I see this thread, I think it say's "Top 10 rapers of all time?"

no contest, tbh


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[BillSelfsTrophycase]

No Too Short?

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