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Halfcan

01-29-2014, 09:22 AM

If Bruce Lee at his peak fought Mike Tyson in his prime he would die. Again.

Bruce Lee was not a professional fighter. He was an actor from an acting family that popularized eastern martial arts (boxing IS a martial art btw) in the west via his movies. He then created his own 'style' which was basically him incorporating a bunch of boxing, because boxing is bad ass dangerous.

The myth astounds me, but I'm a fan of Lee because of his contribution to the culture.

Bruce was a fighter on the streets and trained by Ip Man. He was far from a myth-lol

Halfcan

01-29-2014, 09:28 AM

Wait.

You think it would be a good idead to go ground game against a guy who is 80 pounds bigger than you.

If Tyson ever gets that close long enough to actually go to the ground its game over.

I am a believer in Lees mystical abilities too, but somewhere down the line you gotta face reality. Tysons punches could not be blocked or absorbed by Lee.

Lee could win by snapping tysons knee, but thats it.

A fight-would indicate no rules-like they met on the street- Lee would win in 2 seconds or less.

A boxing match would give tyson more of a chance but I doubt he would even land a punch on him.

MMA- once again Lee's kicks were some of the most powerful and fast on record- he could launch a guy 6 feet back. I don't think tyson knows shit about the ground game either.

All the Bruce haters on this thread need to go back and watch video of his early years-there are some great films out there.

BTW Bruce never lost a fight-Ever-most were over in less than a minute-and we are talking against hardcore street thugs or world champion fighters.

rico

01-29-2014, 09:41 AM

Bruce was a fighter on the streets and trained by Ip Man. He was far from a myth-lol

Oh yeah, how do you "know" that? Were you one of his "Hollywood girlfriends????"

You Hollywood girlfriends are all the same....you have an over-abundance of irrational faith in your caricature boyfriends.

The Iron Chief

01-29-2014, 09:43 AM

Most of us think he'd beat Mike Tyson because Bruce Lee was the most skilled martial artist in the world at his prime. Tyson is a great boxer, but there's no way he'd be able to handle what Lee would throw at him.

Wow am I the only person here who is around a karate studio on a regular basis?
Both my boys take karate.

You've now wasted yrs on an argument that really is no argument at all.
Bruce Lee in his prime would kick Tysons ass in mere minutes.
I should say that is when he gets Tyson into some tapping out hold.
And do not laugh when my sons practice various holds on me you tap out or you break or sleep..Tyson with no brain may decide to break or sleep.
But break or sleep he would.
Whether its an elbow,fingers,knees..size has nothing to do with it just technique.

If its straight up swinging and kicking it might take 5 to 10 minutes to rattle Tyson because he literally doesn't have a ****ing brain inside that dense skull.
this side of an aluminum baseball bat..it would take time but in the end stop wasting your time LEE all the way theres no argument here.

I'm willing to bet a number of the masters of my sons gym unless taken by complete surprise by a Tyson haymaker could widdle him down.
Especially if they got him in a hold.

Any of you who attends a respectable karate gym(licensed,registered) not the one down at the corner with thugs standing outside know what I say is true.

Luckily for my kids they attend a top notch non belt factory gym.

Both my boys will be testing for their black belts in Boston late summer and I'll be one nervous father.
In Tang soo do you can only test once a yr for your black belt and its an 8 hour test.

Sorry I snuck a little dad bragging in there :D

Beef Supreme

01-29-2014, 09:45 AM

All things being equal, bet on the bigger guy. Of course, all things aren't equal here. Bruce Lee was much faster and very skilled. He could put a ton of energy behind a punch or kick.

But Mike Tyson wasn't just some big dude. He was a professional fighter who could take some serious hits and deliver a devastating knockout punch. AND he wasn't just a little bigger, he was a lot bigger.

The ground game is a non-starter for Lee in this fight. You don't try to take a guy to the ground that outweighs and out-muscles you by that much. So he tries to stick and move. It might work, but again, Tyson took big punches for a living. And if Tyson gets a hold of him, I think it's over.

beach tribe

01-29-2014, 10:11 AM

Wow am I the only person here who is around a karate studio on a regular basis?
Both my boys take karate.

You've now wasted yrs on an argument that really is no argument at all.ui goŕ
Bruce Lee in his prime would kick Tysons ass in mere minutes.
I should say that is when he gets Tyson into some tapping out hold.
And do not laugh when my sons practice various holds on me you tap out or you break or sleep..Tyson with no brain may decide to break or sleep.
But break or sleep he would.
Whether its an elbow,fingers,knees..size has nothing to do with it just technique.

If its straight up swinging and kicking it might take 5 to 10 minutes to rattle Tyson because he literally doesn't have a ****ing brain inside that dense skull.
this side of an aluminum baseball bat..it would take time but in the end stop wasting your time LEE all the way theres no argument here.

I'm willing to bet a number of the masters of my sons gym unless taken by complete surprise by a Tyson haymaker could widdle him down.
Especially if they got him in a hold.

Any of you who attends a respectable karate gym(licensed,registered) not the one down at the corner with thugs standing outside know what I say is true.

Luckily for my kids they attend a top notch non belt factory gym.

Both my boys will be testing for their black belts in Boston late summer and I'll be one nervous father.
In Tang soo do you can only test once a yr for your black belt and its an 8 hour test.

Sorry I snuck a little dad bragging in there :D
I got a BB when I was 16 and also trained in ninjutsu.
Grappled till I was 19.
And spent the majority of my youth with what you would call trouble makers.

I fought in the battle of Atlanta tourney and on the street more times than I can count.

I weighed 175.

I dont give a damn what your training is there is no substitute for size and power. NONE.

Your training gives you a much better chance but you are immediatly at a disadvantage.

I had a friend named Paul Owens who came to train with us one day.

Paul was a 6 foot 4, 230 lb roid rage monster.

He decimated everyone in my class with raw power. Black Belts. Grapplers. Karate guys.

By the end of Class no one wanted any part of ol Paul.

Having a BB is a nice achievement it feels good to get one.

But make sure that your boys understand that ol Paul is out there and he does not giva a shit about that.

trndobrd

01-29-2014, 10:13 AM

Wait.

You think it would be a good idead to go ground game against a guy who is 80 pounds bigger than you.

or 300lbs difference....oh wait..

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lcarus

01-29-2014, 10:16 AM

Oh yeah, how do you "know" that? Were you one of his "Hollywood girlfriends????"

You Hollywood girlfriends are all the same....you have an over-abundance of irrational faith in your caricature boyfriends.

Yes Bruce was a movie star, but it's well known the guy had world class speed, strength, and skill. Plus one hell of a mind. Which would definitely be one advantage he would have over dumbass Tyson. Yeah, if Tyson got a good punch or two on him it would be over, but good luck with that. He could barely hit Holyfield. How is he gonna hit a guy as fast as Lee?

beach tribe

01-29-2014, 10:22 AM

Oh and if ANY of your MASTERS could beat Mike Tyson they could be The heavy weight champion of the world right now.

That may be one of the dumbest things ive ever read here.

rico

01-29-2014, 10:22 AM

Yes Bruce was a movie star, but it's well known the guy had world class speed, strength, and skill. Plus one hell of a mind. Which would definitely be one advantage he would have over dumbass Tyson. Yeah, if Tyson got a good punch or two on him it would be over, but good luck with that. He could barely hit Holyfield. How is he gonna hit a guy as fast as Lee?

How is Lee going to hit someone as fast as Tyson....dude was quick for his 220 lb body.

Some people put Bruce Lee on some sort of Demigod pedestal...dude was human as hell, yo.

Beef Supreme

01-29-2014, 10:26 AM

ThaVirus

01-29-2014, 10:28 AM

Bruce Lee was pretty incredible. Dude could do two-finger, one-handed push ups. That's insane.

Tyson was also a beast.

The Iron Chief

01-29-2014, 10:31 AM

I got a BB when I was 16 and also trained in ninjutsu.
Grappled till I was 19.
And spent the majority of my youth with what you would call trouble makers.

I fought in the battle of Atlanta tourney and on the street more times than I can count.

I weighed 175.

I dont give a damn what your training is there is no substitute for size and power. NONE.

Your training gives you a much better chance but you are immediatly at a disadvantage.

I had a friend named Paul Owens who came to train with us one day.

Paul was a 6 foot 4, 230 lb roid rage monster.

He decimated everyone in my class with raw power. Black Belts. Grapplers. Karate guys.

By the end of Class no one wanted any part of ol Paul.

Having a BB is a nice achievement it feels good to get one.

But make sure that your boys understand that ol Paul is out there and he does not giva a shit about that.

Trust me I DO get what your saying I do.
I tell my kids often that Paul is out there.
I often tell my youngest to remember if I charged him I could pick him up swing him above my head and slam him down as hard as I could and well I win.
My kids are reserved quiet and take karate as a sport more than I'm gonna kick everyones ass mentality anyhow.

But were talking Tyson in boxing gloves VS Bruce Lee here.
I'm still leaning towards Lee although I admit Tyson is pure Roid Rage with absolutely nothing too rattle in his skull.
I'd pay decent money to witness this fight.

beach tribe

01-29-2014, 10:34 AM

or 300lbs difference....oh wait..

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That is the greatest JJ master of all time against a tub of goo who hasnt seen his dick since he was 9.

Fat MFers are the easiest asses to whip on the planet. I'd rather fight a fat guy than a 13 yr old.

lcarus

01-29-2014, 10:36 AM

How is Lee going to hit someone as fast as Tyson....dude was quick for his 220 lb body.

Some people put Bruce Lee on some sort of Demigod pedestal...dude was human as hell, yo.

Of course he was human, but he was an incredible human physically.

rico

01-29-2014, 10:36 AM

I got a BB when I was 16 and also trained in ninjutsu.
Grappled till I was 19.
And spent the majority of my youth with what you would call trouble makers.

I fought in the battle of Atlanta tourney and on the street more times than I can count.

I weighed 175.

I dont give a damn what your training is there is no substitute for size and power. NONE.

Your training gives you a much better chance but you are immediatly at a disadvantage.

I had a friend named Paul Owens who came to train with us one day.

Paul was a 6 foot 4, 230 lb roid rage monster.

He decimated everyone in my class with raw power. Black Belts. Grapplers. Karate guys.

By the end of Class no one wanted any part of ol Paul.

Having a BB is a nice achievement it feels good to get one.

But make sure that your boys understand that ol Paul is out there and he does not giva a shit about that.

Yup.

And man, can I ever relate to that story. My first 2 years of college, I was at 174 lbs.. we had a 184 lber my Soph year who SOLD and used roids...Wrestling him was frustrating as hell. He cradled the shit out of me in practice. I hadn't been cradled since I was a 1st grader...couldn't stop it vs. this dude...his forearms/grip was just...too much. By the time we were Seniors, we were 184/197 lbers...both of us the stocky types. However, I put on my mass shoveling stucco and loose rock over the Summer...this dude was all roided out...and somehow maintaining a "cool" demeanor outside of wrasslin' practice. We went to rival schools in HS...I never had a problem doing what I wanted in terms of wrestling him pre-roid era. But in college...that dude is literally the only dude who I think hands down, got the best of me in practice, ever (excluding when I had to wrestle 8th graders when I was in 4th grade in practice).

vailpass

01-29-2014, 10:37 AM

Boxing match: Tyson. Dude knocked people out with body blows.

Street Fight: Lee. Unless Tyson landed a punch early.

rico

01-29-2014, 10:37 AM

Of course he was human, but he was an incredible human physically.

Insanely overrated, he was....that Lee of the Bruce character.

lcarus

01-29-2014, 10:39 AM

Insanely overrated, he was....that Lee of the Bruce character.

Some people do go overboard when they talk about the legend of Lee, yes. But it's still obvious the guy was amazing. I'm not claiming I know for sure who would win here, but it'd be fun to see.

beach tribe

01-29-2014, 10:41 AM

Trust me I DO get what your saying I do.
I tell my kids often that Paul is out there.
I often tell my youngest to remember if I charged him I could pick him up swing him above my head and slam him down as hard as I could and well I win.
My kids are reserved quiet and take karate as a sport more than I'm gonna kick everyones ass mentality anyhow.

But were talking Tyson in boxing gloves VS Bruce Lee here.
I'm still leaning towards Lee although I admit Tyson is pure Roid Rage with absolutely nothing too rattle in his skull.
I'd pay decent money to witness this fight.

I'm leaning Lee just because I'm not sure Tyson could get close enough before Lee cripples one of his legs some how.

If there are are ropes, I gotta lean Tyson.

I understand that its easy to see what Tyson is and think he's just a bumbling idiot, and he is, but the guy was an AMAZING fighter.
As skilled at his craft as anyone I've seen in the ring.

How long has it been since you've seen the guy fight at 19-20 yrs old?]
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rico

01-29-2014, 10:41 AM

Boxing match: Tyson. Dude knocked people out with body blows.

Street Fight: Lee. Unless Tyson landed a punch early.

No.

I don't want to sound like the ULTIMATE internet bad ass...but I'd feel confident fighting ANYONE who weighs what Bruce Lee weighed...especially with my wrestling background, which trumps his Jeet Kune Do, IMO. Wrestlers are the baddest motor scooters on the planet...Just wait until Brazil figures this out...

Mr. Laz

01-29-2014, 10:41 AM

depends on what kind of fight

You put them in a ring and the young Tyson wins. Not as much room to move, no weapons etc.

In a no rules death match in the streets, then Bruce Lee.

The Iron Chief

01-29-2014, 10:45 AM

Boxing match: Tyson. Dude knocked people out with body blows.

Street Fight: Lee. Unless Tyson landed a punch early.

This

And I'm certainly not carrying a flag for Bruce Lee..not for his character nor to being the best in karate of all time.
Top 20 in the past 50 yrs probably.
#1 not a chance just the most dramatized/commercial in modern times.

rico

01-29-2014, 10:46 AM

I'm leaning Lee just because I'm not sure Tyson could get close enough before Lee cripples one of his legs some how.

If there are are ropes, I gotta lean Tyson.

I understand that its easy to see what Tyson is and think he's just a bumbling idiot, and he is, but the guy was an AMAZING fighter.
As skilled at his craft as anyone I've seen in the ring.

How long has it been since you've seen the guy fight at 19-20 yrs old?]
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Ok, so who would you have in a Lennox Lewis vs. Bruce Lee match-up? How bout an in his prime, George Foreman vs. Bruce Lee match (I still feel Foreman was a better fighter than Ali...just stepped on his dick against him)? I'm assuming Lewis and Foreman.

Bruce Lee = Hollywood...and a good Hollywood figure he was.

lcarus

01-29-2014, 10:48 AM

No.

I don't want to sound like the ULTIMATE internet bad ass...but I'd feel confident fighting ANYONE who weighs what Bruce Lee weighs...especially with my wrestling background, which trumps his Jeet Kune Do, IMO. Wrestlers are the baddest motor scooters on the planet...Just wait until Brazil figures this out...

You don't think there's some small, good martial artists that could just destroy you? Yeah, that's confidence...

beach tribe

01-29-2014, 10:50 AM

You actually dont' get a sense of Tyson's Speed or head movement from that Vid because they are knockouts and he's in finishing mode.

My brother and I have been pretty much studying Boxers for the past week or so.
Trying to see who the true Pound for Pound best fighter was at his peak.

After watching them ALL. This guy stood out above the rest.
He tarnished his legacy by just collecting huge purses and trying not to get hit later in his career, but this is the most unbeatable fighter at his peak I've ever seen, and This is who I would really like to see Lee fight. I think he might match Lee's speed if he was bare handed. Check this out.
Before you see the name and say "meh" Watch The Video.
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rico

01-29-2014, 10:57 AM

You don't think there's some small, good martial artists that could just destroy you? Yeah, that's confidence...

I am the older brother of a guy who wrestled D1 at 141 lbs (while I wrestled D3 @174-197). My younger bro was capable of beating ANYONE'S ass........as long as they were in his weight range.... With that said, I've always been able to beat my younger brother's ass...this goes for boxing/wrestling/MMA...we've dabbled in all of it....the only thing I can legitimately take seriously other than wrestling and boxing is Jiu Jitsu... and that shit is more useful than boxing, IMO.

Bruce Lee was a charismatic caricature for the ninja genre movies he starred in. Nothing more, nothing less.

TheUte

01-29-2014, 11:01 AM

The problem is people are forgetting the physics. The size difference is just too much to over come.

Lee was what under 145 and Tyson is at 220 to 230, just too much difference.

rico

01-29-2014, 11:05 AM

The problem is people are forgetting the physics. The size difference is just too much to over come.

Lee was what under 145 and Tyson is at 220 to 230, just too much difference.

Exactly.

NinerDoug

01-29-2014, 11:07 AM

Tyson would win. He'd pin Lee and pound the shit out of him UFC style, game over.

Not to mention, how hard could it be to beat up a corpse?

Buehler445

01-29-2014, 11:08 AM

I would put Lee mehhhh....about the same slot as I would put Norris and.......KAREEM ABDULLAH-JABBAR-KcDERKA-DERKAPANTS!!!!!!

fUCK, I AM WASTED.

What the fuck is this post. I don't even..... Jesus.

I missed this 2 years ago (random bump?), but it is quite the interesting question. Tyson was a fucking marvel. I mean Christ. He was just a fucking animal. An insanely fast, brutal, mean son of a bitch.

Now, there is a lot of shit that martial artists do that is absolutely devastating, and that can offset size difference on normal people. Tyson was not a normal dude. He was a ravenous animal. I've spent (thankfully a small amount of) time around livestock, and even cows or pigs, there isn't really much to offset tremendous physical size/power. 235 pound pig says "I ain't going." He ain't fucking going. What's worse is if he says he is going, and dump trucks your ass because he wants back in the pen with his buddies. You have use panels and corral them, they'll just run right through you. You can knock them fuckers in the head with a bat and they'll just run through you.

This is the way Tyson was to a far far far more fast, explosive, angry, vicious kind of way. That power is unfathomable.

I took Lee in a close one. I think he's got the speed to stay the fuck away and kick low and do the martial arts shit that Tyson isn't trained for.

I'm with the rest though, if Tyson ever even got 25% of a punch through to Lee, it'd be devastating and he probably wouldn't be able to land the next one.

I may be wrong and it may be Tyson, but it's closer than you think.

frankotank

01-29-2014, 11:11 AM

Iron mike would not even be able to land a punch. He was an over rated punk that made his name knocking out has beens.

wow :facepalm:

TheUte

01-29-2014, 11:12 AM

You know what would be a good fight, Bruce Lee vs Jet Lee.

frankotank

01-29-2014, 11:15 AM

You know what would be a good fight, Bruce Lee vs Jet Lee.

Chris Tucker vs Jackie Chan

saphojunkie

01-29-2014, 11:15 AM

I am the older brother of a guy who wrestled D1 at 141 lbs (while I wrestled D3 @174-197). My younger bro was capable of beating ANYONE'S ass........as long as they were in his weight range.... With that said, I've always been able to beat my younger brother's ass...this goes for boxing/wrestling/MMA...we've dabbled in all of it....the only thing I can legitimately take seriously other than wrestling and boxing is Jiu Jitsu... and that shit is more useful than boxing, IMO.

Bruce Lee was a charismatic caricature for the ninja genre movies he starred in. Nothing more, nothing less.

hilarious.

Tons of wrestlers go try their hand a MMA and get the shit kicked out of them. Boxers as well. Because your experience in wrestling was one of structure and rules. Holds that aren't designed for another guy being able to hammer punch you in the face.

And you have to actually get the guy on the ground to start wrestling. Good luck "shooting" when the other guy can just knee you in the ****ing face and start elbowing you in the back of the head. Obviously, you can get guys on the ground, but it's much, much, much harder. And even then, there are counters to your wrestling holds that weren't legal in college so you never had to prepare against them.

However, the most basic rule of MMA is that anyone has a puncher's chance, and Tyson is the greatest puncher ever. I'll take Tyson at 225lbs of solid anger vs. 135 pounds. Sometimes size just makes a difference.

saphojunkie

01-29-2014, 11:18 AM

By the way, the real answer is Bas Rutten. Dude might be the most deadly fighter ever, because he didn't learn it in the ring.

Oh, and this motherfucker fought in the old days when there were no rules except eye gouging (which he espouses as the key to any good fight) and don't kill the other guy.

No gloves. No bullshit. Just Bas.

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rico

01-29-2014, 11:19 AM

What the **** is this post. I don't even..... Jesus.

I missed this 2 years ago (random bump?), but it is quite the interesting question. Tyson was a ****ing marvel. I mean Christ. He was just a ****ing animal. An insanely fast, brutal, mean son of a bitch.

Now, there is a lot of shit that martial artists do that is absolutely devastating, and that can offset size difference on normal people. Tyson was not a normal dude. He was a ravenous animal. I've spent (thankfully a small amount of) time around livestock, and even cows or pigs, there isn't really much to offset tremendous physical size/power. 235 pound pig says "I ain't going." He ain't ****ing going. What's worse is if he says he is going, and dump trucks your ass because he wants back in the pen with his buddies. You have use panels and corral them, they'll just run right through you. You can knock them ****ers in the head with a bat and they'll just run through you.

This is the way Tyson was to a far far far more fast, explosive, angry, vicious kind of way. That power is unfathomable.

I took Lee in a close one. I think he's got the speed to stay the **** away and kick low and do the martial arts shit that Tyson isn't trained for.

I'm with the rest though, if Tyson ever even got 25% of a punch through to Lee, it'd be devastating and he probably wouldn't be able to land the next one.

I may be wrong and it may be Tyson, but it's closer than you think.

You are incorrect about Lee winning, but I know what you mean about the farm stuff...I grew up on a farm...we've always had 6-8 horses at all times. I now live 5 miles down the road from my parents and still help them out with chores, regarding it's not too cold for I have cold urticaria.

The derka derka derka stuff was a reference to that movie where Bruce Lee kicked Kareem Abdul Jabbar's ass... I don't understand "Islam" and don't want to (I'm not religious in general), so when I am at a loss, I resort to "derka derka derka." I forget the name of the movie...all Bruce Lee movies are interchangeable.

Sannyasi

01-29-2014, 11:19 AM

CP actually thinks Bruce Lee would win? This is the dumbest shit i have ever seen in my life.

beach tribe

01-29-2014, 11:22 AM

Just want to point out @3:35 in that Roy Jones Video watch what he does to Richard Hall.

Hall was 24-1 with 22 KOs when they fought.

saphojunkie

01-29-2014, 11:24 AM

You are incorrect about Lee winning, but I know what you mean about the farm stuff...I grew up on a farm...we've always had 6-8 horses at all times. I now live 5 miles down the road from my parents and still help them out with chores, regarding it's not too cold for I have cold urticaria.

The derka derka derka stuff was a reference to that movie where Bruce Lee kicked Kareem Abdul Jabbar's ass... I don't understand "Islam" and don't want to (I'm not religious in general), so when I am at a loss, I resort to "derka derka derka." I forget the name of the movie...all Bruce Lee movies are interchangeable.

You should read more books. And travel. Read some books on the plane while you travel.

rico

01-29-2014, 11:25 AM

hilarious.

Tons of wrestlers go try their hand a MMA and get the shit kicked out of them. Boxers as well. Because your experience in wrestling was one of structure and rules. Holds that aren't designed for another guy being able to hammer punch you in the face.

And you have to actually get the guy on the ground to start wrestling. Good luck "shooting" when the other guy can just knee you in the ****ing face and start elbowing you in the back of the head. Obviously, you can get guys on the ground, but it's much, much, much harder. And even then, there are counters to your wrestling holds that weren't legal in college so you never had to prepare against them.

However, the most basic rule of MMA is that anyone has a puncher's chance, and Tyson is the greatest puncher ever. I'll take Tyson at 225lbs of solid anger vs. 135 pounds. Sometimes size just makes a difference.

Nice "slam," but I do agree with the bolded part.

Yes, there are counters...I get that...but having a solid wrestling background makes you more inclined to: A.) having a nice offense, B.) Having a decent secondary game plan and C.) having a nice counter to the counters.

I never said wrestlers don't have to work to succeed in MMA... I just think they are the most likely to be successful. And it isn't close...especially when they are versatile in their skill-set (wrestling-Jiu-Jitsu-Boxing-etc.)

rico

01-29-2014, 11:33 AM

You should read more books. And travel. Read some books on the plane while you travel.

Ok, let's make a deal. I read more books (I have a solid book collecton as it is...as shocking as that may come off to you), and I'll travel when I allow myself to become less Mr. Krabs-ish (I pinch the hell out of pennies these days)...and you stop judging me via a few paragraphs in one thread on CP (unless you have actually noticed my long-winded ass outside of this thread...many don't...which is cool, I'm not a good poster compared to many people on here, and that includes you).

I think you are perceiving me incorrectly, but I can't say I blame you 100%.

frankotank

01-29-2014, 11:36 AM

Tons of wrestlers go try their hand a MMA and get the shit kicked out of them. Boxers as well.

TRUE DAT!

Bruce Lee vs Tyson.....hell I don't know....they are two completely different animals, but I think Lee could possibly get him in a hold and break something.....but if Tyson connects with one of those monster punches....man.....just one punch and you're out to lunch!

my thinking is this....and I know many won't agree....
todays MMA ain't anything like how fighting was back in Bruce Lee's day. these dudes know striking, wrestling, and any combination of the various flavors of martial arts.
I believe there are professional MMA fighters right now that would DESTROY Bruce Lee.......real quick like!

rico

01-29-2014, 11:39 AM

TRUE DAT!

Bruce Lee vs Tyson.....hell I don't know....they are two completely different animals, but I think Lee could possibly get him in a hold and break something.....but if Tyson connects with one of those monster punches....man.....just one punch and you're out to lunch!

my thinking is this....and I know many won't agree....
todays MMA ain't anything like how fighting was back in Bruce Lee's day. these dudes know striking, wrestling, and any combination of the various flavors of martial arts.
I believe there are professional MMA fighters right now that would DESTROY Bruce Lee.......real quick like!

http://rickischultz.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/the_big_lebowski.jpg

Well yeahh.....

lcarus

01-29-2014, 11:44 AM

It'd be interesting to see Bruce Lee in his prime in modern times. This thread gives me an idea for a fighting video game with all the legends. Like The Expendables but a MK style game.

loochy

01-29-2014, 11:45 AM

Bwuce Wee foh suwre

rico

01-29-2014, 11:45 AM

It'd be interesting to see Bruce Lee in his prime in modern times. This thread gives me an idea for a fighting video game with all the legends. Like The Expendables but a MK style game.

That'd be pretty cool.

saphojunkie

01-29-2014, 11:46 AM

Ok, let's make a deal. I read more books (I have a solid book collecton as it is...as shocking as that may come off to you), and I'll travel when I allow myself to become less Mr. Krabs-ish (I pinch the hell out of pennies these days)...and you stop judging me via a few paragraphs in one thread on CP (unless you have actually noticed my long-winded ass outside of this thread...many don't...which is cool, I'm not a good poster compared to many people on here, and that includes you).

I think you are perceiving me incorrectly, but I can't say I blame you 100%.

My bad, didn't mean to come off as judgmental. It was a joke, but preceded by my disagreeing with you, so yeah... that just sounded wrong. Apologies.

Beef Supreme

01-29-2014, 11:46 AM

They have weight classes in most fighting sports for a reason folks.

Amnorix

01-29-2014, 11:50 AM

The one that's always intrigued me is Ali vs Tyson. The prototype fight for power against speed. I would give my left nut to see that fight.

Then watch Ali/Foreman. Foreman's power was legendary. Even as a freaking old man he had incredible power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55AasOJZzDE

rico

01-29-2014, 11:50 AM

Bwuce Wee foh suwre

So interdasting dat u are and eediot on dis subjext.

Just kidding...not an idiot. I just disagree with you, man...

And to the Saphojunkie or saccoppoo...(I get them confused)...this wasn't a random bump...I admit, I've wanted to bump this for a long time, but I saw that there was another thread pertaining to Bruce Lee...that's why I chose to bump it now...so no...not random. I was waiting for my opportunity to bump this one...and when I saw Bruce Lee's name in a different topic, I was all like, "hellz yes."

rico

01-29-2014, 11:54 AM

My bad, didn't mean to come off as judgmental. It was a joke, but preceded by my disagreeing with you, so yeah... that just sounded wrong. Apologies.

Hahahahaahahahah, WUT?!?! I thought it was the other way around. :D:D:D

Welp, no need to apologize, Mr. saphojunkie.

Wait a second, you are trolling me in this post......... HAHAHAHA fudge...

God, I love this place.

Radar Chief

01-29-2014, 11:56 AM

rico

01-29-2014, 11:57 AM

My bad, didn't mean to come off as judgmental. It was a joke, but preceded by my disagreeing with you, so yeah... that just sounded wrong. Apologies.

:D:D:D:D

4 big smiley faces.

I am sorry for coming off as a dude who doesn't read AND doesn't travel...although you were actually correct about the traveling thing...the people closest to me in my life give me shit about how often I avoid traveling. I do need to work on that. My apologies. I hope you accept them. :D:D:D:D

Beef Supreme

01-29-2014, 12:02 PM

BWillie

01-29-2014, 12:05 PM

Ahahahhhaha i just checked this poll again, and it again shows a 135 pound Bruce Lee as the voted winner. Come on people, understand physics.

rico

01-29-2014, 12:07 PM

Game of Death.

Ahhh...ok. I have an uncle who moved to that city in MO where that huge tornado hit. He was the one who showed me that VCR tape. He thinks Bruce Lee could beat Tyson's ass. He is wrong. He was also a great wrestler in his day...one of my high school's legends....he hates the Chiefs now because he (and the rest of my dad's side of the family) are all Bears fans and all he ever hears about now is Chiefs football....I couldn't root for the Bears as a youngster... My dad literally forced the St. Louis Cardinals down my throat (my first toys ever were Fredbird/Cardinals stuffed toys/figurines) and I was literally raised to despise the Cubs... When I was about 7 years old, I noticed that the Bears fans were the same Cubs fans I bickered with at recess...I couldn't root for a fucking Chicago team...that is why I became a Chiefs fan...narrowed it down between the Chiefs and Bengals...chose the Chiefs despite the Denkenger disaster of '85.

ANYWAYS...ol' Uncle Kevin hates it now that our family gathering consists of wrestling, Cardinals, Bears AND Chiefs talk (I'm the oldest of 4 bros...I turned all 3 of my younger bros into Chiefs fans). Just when he thinks he escaped "Chiefsville....HELL NAW!!!! :D

rico

01-29-2014, 12:09 PM

It's funny because he's fat.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-JrmN6ZXF-Vs/UCU0qxMBS4I/AAAAAAAAAYE/NtYXFa38qLo/s1600/396capture_goldmember04.jpg

He doesn't undershtand, he ish huge.

frankotank

01-29-2014, 12:13 PM

http://rickischultz.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/the_big_lebowski.jpg

Well yeahh.....

ROFL

yeah I know...such a stupid post. cause...you know not one CP'er is gonna disagree....right?

after all....

Lee would beat Tyson. \CP

loochy

01-29-2014, 12:16 PM

Ahahahhhaha i just checked this poll again, and it again shows a 135 pound Bruce Lee as the voted winner. Come on people, understand physics.

Here's your physics:

or 300lbs difference....oh wait..

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/POJ2T023M4I" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

rico

01-29-2014, 12:37 PM

ROFL

yeah I know...such a stupid post. cause...you know not one CP'er is gonna disagree....right?

after all....

Lee would beat Tyson. \CP

;)

Big Poppa Payne

01-29-2014, 12:37 PM

rico

01-29-2014, 12:43 PM

Here's your physics:

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060528212206/theoffice/images/9/91/Roy.jpg

Your trolling is the best trolling, of all trolling.

NinerDoug

01-29-2014, 12:55 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=n-wUdetAAlY

NinerDoug

01-29-2014, 12:56 PM

It would be like Bambi vs. Godzilla

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/4609002/bambi-vs-godzilla-o.gif

The Iron Chief

01-29-2014, 01:27 PM

Hey I'm off today wife at work kids at school and not going outside in -5 atm.
So I looked up a couple of videos just for fun
And I realize the argument is Tyson vs Lee but a lot of it is boxing vs martial arts lets face it.
And don't miss the last video to answer the question does size matter.

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This ones for you Rico

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This one Is from a movie not real but an attempt is made to show martial arts vs boxing I felt it was done fairly well but the end seemed like crap.

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And some mixed arts in a Real Street fighting video I found
Props to the policeman @ 2:11

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And this is Funny as Hell.. the announcers are enjoying this insanity

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Beef Supreme

01-29-2014, 01:46 PM

Those videos have what to do with anything?

It's not boxing vs martial arts, or fat out of shape dude against professional fighter, or two skinny white kids in a gymnasium. It's the fighter Bruce Lee against the fighter Mike Tyson.

I wouldn't expect Tyson to box. I would expect him to fight — complete with all the elbows, knees and teeth that he would have liked to have used in the ring, but only got away with occasionally.

listopencil

01-29-2014, 01:49 PM

Tyson=pirate
Lee=ninja
ninjas>pirates
/thread

New World Order

01-29-2014, 01:57 PM

Bruce Lee lost to f'ing Chuck Norris in full contact karate. What do you think Mike Tyson would do to him?

listopencil

01-29-2014, 02:11 PM

Bruce Lee lost to f'ing Chuck Norris in full contact karate. What do you think Mike Tyson would do to him?

When?

I found this:

Facing The Giant - Bruce Lee (Chuck Norris Recalls His Encounter With The Karate Legend Alert) (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/1761174/posts)
<small> Worldnetdaily.com ^ (http://www.freerepublic.com/%5Ehttp://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53584) | 1/01/2006 | Chuck Norris </small>
<small>Posted on Monday, January 01, 2007 11:22:40 PM by goldstategop (http://www.freerepublic.com/%7Egoldstategop/)</small>
Through the years one of the questions I've been asked most has been, ''What was it like to fight Bruce Lee?''

Of course we never actually fought off-screen, because Bruce didn't compete with me in professional tournaments.

We did, however, periodically spar. Believe it or not, it was fun! I can say that because Bruce and I were friends, and we deeply respected each other as masters of martial arts.

Halfcan

01-29-2014, 02:11 PM

Bruce Lee lost to f'ing Chuck Norris in full contact karate. What do you think Mike Tyson would do to him?

lol obviously you don't know what your talking about.

1. Chuck Norris was a karate champ for many years.
2. Bruce never lost to him.
3. Tyson fought old out of shape punching bags and was not even the best fighter of his generation-it was all hype.

vailpass

01-29-2014, 02:16 PM

loochy

01-29-2014, 02:18 PM

I think this video says it all:

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Halfcan

01-29-2014, 02:23 PM

Halfcan

01-29-2014, 02:29 PM

FlintHillsChiefs

01-29-2014, 03:33 PM

Ok, I don't buy Bruce Lee punching his finger through a board. That's the kind of sensationalism that can drive someone nuts when discussing Bruce Lee's legend.

However, if we're talking a non-enclosed area (no cage or ropes) I'd take Bruce Lee. Three reasons for this - 1) Bruce Lee was insanely fast. Mike Tyson was fast as well, but to be able to pull off the 1" punch is a whole different level when it comes to fast twitch muscles. If you think the 1" punch is a myth, it's not. There is a video of Bruce Lee doing it, and its an exercise that is regularly practiced in Wing Chun. 2) Bruce Lee originally learned martial arts from Ip Man, in the Wing Chun style. Wing Chun is similar to Judo in the sense that it uses the opponent's own strength against them. Wing Chun martial artists are known for not blocking an opponent's strike, but rather redirecting it and throwing the opponent off his centerline, thus exposing himself to strikes against the vital organs. Additionally, there is a seamless transition from defense to offense in Wing Chun and that form of martial arts excels in close quarters combat. The closer, the better. 3) Finally, Tyson would have a hell of time protecting himself against strikes against his knees, groin, and instep, etc. He wouldn't be able to go into a traditional boxer's stance without exposing himself to massive damage to his lower body tendons and bones.

Beef Supreme

01-29-2014, 03:41 PM

I think it was Jet Li-who in his own right was a world champ- was asked about who would win.

He said it would be hard for anyone to beat Bruce if it was a life and death fight-Bruce was so fast, and he could punch his finger through a board- first thing he would do is take your eyes out with a finger jab.

It would be hard for roided up Tyson to fight with no eyes.

He could shoot fire from his ass and friggin laser beams from his eyes.

Jakemall

01-29-2014, 03:48 PM

Tyson over Lee is something I would put a million dollars on if I had it.

This...pretty much one hit and it is over.

Halfcan

01-29-2014, 04:11 PM

This...pretty much one hit and it is over.

Just like Tyson did to Buster?

Mike never won against anyone worth a crap. And to think he could beat a Master in the art of fighting is pretty funny.

LoneWolf

01-29-2014, 04:15 PM

Here is a look at 50 of Tyson's knockouts. I don't think 135lb Bruce Lee would stand much of a chance.

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The only thing that video showed me was the incredible string of absolute bums or over the hill fighters Tyson beat. Buster Douglas didn't fight a great fight to beat Tyson. He just wasn't an absolute bum or 10 years past his prime.

TheUte

01-29-2014, 04:19 PM

You do realize that he was a teenager for most of those fights right?

A teenage kid against grown men?

LoneWolf

01-29-2014, 04:27 PM

You do realize that he was a teenager for most of those fights right?

A teenage kid against old men?

FYP

Jakemall

01-29-2014, 04:30 PM

Just like Tyson did to Buster?

Mike never won against anyone worth a crap. And to think he could beat a Master in the art of fighting is pretty funny.

Actually, you didn't watch the fight did you? Tyson had been out partying instead of training and even while Buster trained his ass off and had the fight of his life, Tyson still laid him out once before losing.

TheUte

01-29-2014, 04:32 PM

FYP

Who was old that he beat?

TheUte

01-29-2014, 04:33 PM

Had Cus D'Amato not died Tyson would easily beat the great boxer of all time.

LoneWolf

01-29-2014, 04:40 PM

Who was old that he beat?

Larry Holmes and Michael Spinx (the signature win of his career).

Jakemall

01-29-2014, 04:40 PM

Another thing to consider..Tyson knocked all those professional fighters out with 10 oz gloves.

DomerNKC

01-29-2014, 04:42 PM

in this instance, size does matter. Id go with Iron Mike.

Halfcan

01-29-2014, 04:43 PM

Actually, you didn't watch the fight did you? Tyson had been out partying instead of training and even while Buster trained his ass off and had the fight of his life, Tyson still laid him out once before losing.

Watched it live and won money on it. Everyone thought tyson had an easy fight-even him.

Mike took a massive beating. His legend died that night.

TheUte

01-29-2014, 04:44 PM

Larry Holmes and Michael Spinx (the signature win of his career).

Spinks was 31 and Homles 39 not exactly old.

LoneWolf

01-29-2014, 04:46 PM

Spinks was 31 and Homles 39 not exactly old.

For a fighter, that is old. Spinx was 2 weeks away from his 32nd birthday and Holmes was way way way past his prime. How well did Tyson fight in his thirties? What about his late 20s?

TheUte

01-29-2014, 04:49 PM

For a fighter, that is old. Spinx was 2 weeks away from his 32nd birthday and Holmes was way way way past his prime. How well did Tyson fight in his thirties? What about his late 20s?

Tyson was a young kid who got screwed over because he trusted the wrong people. His potential was unlimited, people really forget how dominate he was in the mid 80's.

Why do you think the turd Lennox Lewis dodge him for so long.

Jakemall

01-29-2014, 04:51 PM

For a fighter, that is old. Spinx was 2 weeks away from his 32nd birthday and Holmes was way way way past his prime. How well did Tyson fight in his thirties? What about his late 20s?

to be fair, Tyson sucked after he parted with Bill Cayton and Kevin Rooney.

LoneWolf

01-29-2014, 04:58 PM

Why do you think the turd Lennox Lewis dodge him for so long.

Because Tyson went to prison twice so he wasn't available to fight?

When they did fight, Lewis destroyed Tyson.

Tombstone RJ

01-29-2014, 05:01 PM

I don't think Lee's blows would have much effect on Tyson, unless of course, he's got numbchucks or something. So, if weapons are involved, Lee. If it's just fists and legs, Tyson.

LoneWolf

01-29-2014, 05:01 PM

to be fair, Tyson sucked after he parted with Bill Cayton and Kevin Rooney.

He must have forgotten how to fight without those two around or it could be he gained his reputation by knocking out journeyman fighters or fighters past their prime and when he finally ran into actual good/great fighters he was exposed.

Amnorix

01-29-2014, 05:07 PM

So those denigrating Tyson's abilities as a boxer (he only fought old men, etc.) I think are really underestimating his speed, power and ferocity. He fought everyone that they was to fight, and to my knowledge never ducked any top contender. When he was young and in shape, he was absolutely phenomenal. I'd put him up against the best.

I think we can all agree on one thing -- if Tyson hits Lee square, Lee is done. One shot. Lee just isn't going to take a good shot from Tyson in his prime.

Nobody has mentioned this (probably because it's pointless), but I think it's fairly clear that if you give them both any kind of hand weapon, Tyson is probably meat. Stick, knife, ANYTHING, Lee is going to be able to use it to much better advantage than Tyson.

Bare hands -- I think it's close, but I'll give the nod to Lee. Basically Tyson's entire life was training to box, not to use legs, etc. Lee isn't going to box. He's going to be coming at Tyson with legs and from all kinds of angles that Tyson just isn't trained to deal with, from one of the best (and fastest) to ever live. I'll echo what someone else said -- Lee might very well put out Tyson's eyes, and then it's Tyson that is in a world of hurt.

A critical question is whether they're fighting in some parking lot or if they're in a ring. In a ring, Tyson might be able to just bull rush Lee, get him into a grapple, and then wring him out. He had 100 pounds of pure muscle on Lee, and that's no joke.

It's an interesting question though.

(and no, MMA guys beating up on fat slobs who can't even wipe their own ass isn't evidence of anything).

rico

01-29-2014, 05:21 PM

How old was Berbick when Tyson knocked him out? That KO was funny.

LoneWolf

01-29-2014, 06:22 PM

How old was Berbick when Tyson knocked him out? That KO was funny.

32.

BWillie

01-29-2014, 07:17 PM

Just like Tyson did to Buster?

Mike never won against anyone worth a crap. And to think he could beat a Master in the art of fighting is pretty funny.

Martial Arts is the pretty way to fight, and in a way, so is boxing. Any MMA heavy weight champion would beat them both, easily.

Ask yourself this, if a 205 lbs MMA journeyman pro fought a 135 pound MMA champion who would win? It wouldn't even be close, the 205 lbs MMA journeymen would submit him in about 20 seconds.

Aries Walker

01-29-2014, 07:20 PM

Mike Tyson is an athlete, who knows his discipline very well. He is sculpted and designed for those muscles to work in that way, and he's ridiculously dangerous at it.

Bruce Lee was a martial artist. He could fight in many different disciplines, adapt for different positions, and attack from directions Tyson simply wouldn't be trained for (like the legs). He also had a massive edge in discipline. Between these two, I chose Lee.

As much as it seems like a comedy bit, Chuck Norris would win against either. Unlike Lee, his training came from actual tournament combat, rather than fitness and sparring. Lee was more of a philosopher and teacher, but Norris at his prime was a better straight-up fighter.

penchief

01-29-2014, 07:35 PM

Tyson was the most overhyped overrated boxer ever. Dude never fought anyone and when he finally did he got ass kicked. Dodged Holyfield until he had no choice but to fight him.

WhiteWhale

01-29-2014, 07:47 PM

Tyson was the most overhyped overrated boxer ever. Dude never fought anyone and when he finally did he got ass kicked. Dodged Holyfield until he had no choice but to fight him.

Good point.

Bruce lee was always beating up elite fighters in pro fights, so that makes this pretty obvious.

Did i say 'pro fights'?

I meant 'movies.'

WhiteWhale

01-29-2014, 07:49 PM

Martial Arts is the pretty way to fight, and in a way, so is boxing. Any MMA heavy weight champion would beat them both, easily.

Ask yourself this, if a 205 lbs MMA journeyman pro fought a 135 pound MMA champion who would win? It wouldn't even be close, the 205 lbs MMA journeymen would submit him in about 20 seconds.

Boxing IS a martial art.

Why does everyone think eastern martial arts are so superior to western martial arts (boxing, wrestling, ect)? Seems it's a result of a generation that grew up during the ninja/kung fu fad of the late 70's and 80's.

When you look at MMA, chinese arts are almost non-existent for a reason. They're largely just myth because they look good on film while western arts are HEAVILY incorporated and basically required learning if you want to avoid getting your ass beat..

WhiteWhale

01-29-2014, 07:54 PM

Just like Tyson did to Buster?

Mike never won against anyone worth a crap. And to think he could beat a Master in the art of fighting is pretty funny.

He was a master of Wing Chun.

Not 'fighting'.

Wing chun. This idea that a boxer is inferior to a Wing Chunner is an insult to your entire culture.

WhiteWhale

01-29-2014, 07:56 PM

I think it was Jet Li-who in his own right was a world champ- was asked about who would win.

He said it would be hard for anyone to beat Bruce if it was a life and death fight-Bruce was so fast, and he could punch his finger through a board- first thing he would do is take your eyes out with a finger jab.

It would be hard for roided up Tyson to fight with no eyes.

Wushu is more about showmanship than actual fighting. Jet Li is hella entertaining, but his art doesn't have a whole lot of practical merit when compared to boxing.

Dayze

01-29-2014, 07:58 PM

what about Rocky Maricano?

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-HcnZ1TR_x0Y/TWjz_kYMWnI/AAAAAAAABvY/POjNKRY3rXE/s1600/jewish-man-coming-to-america-bow-tie.png

WhiteWhale

01-29-2014, 07:59 PM

what about Rocky Maricano?

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-HcnZ1TR_x0Y/TWjz_kYMWnI/AAAAAAAABvY/POjNKRY3rXE/s1600/jewish-man-coming-to-america-bow-tie.png

I dunno... would the mob pay off Bruce to lose?

mike_b_284

01-29-2014, 08:08 PM

Didn't you ever play tekken?
jax vs law

Wait, jax was mk

ThaVirus

01-29-2014, 08:22 PM

Didn't you ever play tekken?
jax vs law

Wait, jax was mk

There was Jack in Tekken. He was the huge robot guy.

LoneWolf

01-29-2014, 08:38 PM

what about Rocky Maricano?

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-HcnZ1TR_x0Y/TWjz_kYMWnI/AAAAAAAABvY/POjNKRY3rXE/s1600/jewish-man-coming-to-america-bow-tie.png

He beat Joe Louis' ass.

listopencil

01-29-2014, 08:56 PM

He was a master of Wing Chun.

Not 'fighting'.

Wing chun. This idea that a boxer is inferior to a Wing Chunner is an insult to your entire culture.

That is not completely correct. He began with Wing Chun.

Buzz

01-29-2014, 08:58 PM

prison rules, the taco.

Baby Lee

01-29-2014, 09:10 PM

Tyson had a skill in a sport

Get to a guy's kidney or jaw and retreat to a neutral corner.

Bruce Lee [no relation] had a skill in inflicting pain and doing damage until the end.

Tough to compare someone with a goal in an organized setting and a fight to the death/mea culpa.

Still, Tyson might have the edge in enduring pain. Tough to say.

Dayze

01-29-2014, 09:12 PM

He beat Joe Louis' ass.

God damnit, this is a free country; if a man want's to change his name to Mu-hhhamed Ali, he should be able to

Baby Lee

01-29-2014, 09:13 PM

He beat Joe Louis' ass.

ROFL ROFL

That's beautiful. What is that, velvet?

Dayze

01-29-2014, 09:13 PM

LoneWolf

01-29-2014, 09:14 PM

God damnit, this is a free country; if a man want's to change his name to Mu-hhhamed Ali, he should be able to

His mama named him Clay so I'm gonna call him Clay.

Dayze

01-29-2014, 09:15 PM

His mama called him Clay..
I call him Clay
http://thegrio.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/momma-named-him-clay.jpg%3Fw%3D560

Dayze

01-29-2014, 09:16 PM

damnit Lonewolf.....
beat me by >< much

Rasputin

01-29-2014, 09:22 PM

Bruce Lee beat Chuck Norris if you beat Chuck Norris you can beat anybody.

LoneWolf

01-29-2014, 09:22 PM

damnit Lonewolf.....
beat me by >< much

Sexual Chocolate!!

https://static.squarespace.com/static/52006141e4b0eefc5e9d6f51/52006aebe4b04624715f6771/52006aece4b04624715f6a35/1325076626873/1000w/coming_to_america_sexual_chocolate_slpr.jpg

Buzz

01-29-2014, 09:24 PM

Baby Lee

01-29-2014, 09:25 PM

Sexual Chocolate!!

ASSHAT, we're in the Barbershop.

Baby Lee

01-29-2014, 09:26 PM

I don't see Lee having enough power or force to do any real damage to a heavy weight like Tyson, the dude would just walk right through the biggest guy's in the world, hands tucked right below his eyes, enough he could protect his chin and body, pivot from his hips and knock the dude out. Lee would just be punching and kicking with the blows bouncing off with no effect.

The body is where the damage is done, get the kidney and body just shuts down - Dickey Eckland.

Listen the the commentary

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BTW, I know the difference between Mickey and Dickey.

Buzz

01-29-2014, 09:31 PM

The body is where the damage is done, get the kidney and body just shuts down - Dickey Watt.

Seriously? Tyson is a professional boxer, you don't think the dude knows how to protect his kidney's and for that matter trained to take those shots?

Big Poppa Payne

01-29-2014, 09:32 PM

His mama named him Clay so I'm gonna call him Clay.

Joe Louis had come out of retirement to fight Rocky Marciano the minute he was 76 years old. Joe Louis was always lying about his age. He lied about his age all the time. One time Frank Sinatra came in here and sat in this chair. I said Frank 'you hang out with Joe Louis, just between me and you, how old is Joe Louis?' You know what Frank told me, he said "Hey, Joe Louis is 137 years old." A hundred and thirty-seven years old!

LoneWolf

01-29-2014, 09:35 PM

ASSHAT, we're in the Barbershop.

When I look at these contestantsahh. From the Miss Black Awareness Pageantahh. I feel good! I feel good because I know there's a god somewhere.

http://content8.flixster.com/question/52/31/85/5231854_std.png

LoneWolf

01-29-2014, 09:38 PM

Joe Louis had come out of retirement to fight Rocky Marciano the minute he was 76 years old. Joe Louis was always lying about his age. He lied about his age all the time. One time Frank Sinatra came in here and sat in this chair. I said Frank 'you hang out with Joe Louis, just between me and you, how old is Joe Louis?' You know what Frank told me, he said "Hey, Joe Louis is 137 years old." A hundred and thirty-seven years old!

You never met no Frank Sinatra.

Fuck you, fuck you, and fuck you. Who's next?

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/KANVw9IbgCE/hqdefault.jpg

Big Poppa Payne

01-29-2014, 09:40 PM

When I look at these contestantsahh. From the Miss Black Awareness Pageantahh. I feel good! I feel good because I know there's a god somewhere.

http://content8.flixster.com/question/52/31/85/5231854_std.png

He helped Joshua fight the battle of Jericho, he helped Daniel get out the lion's den, he helped Gilligan get off the island.

If lovin' the lord is wrong, I don't want to be right.

LoneWolf

01-29-2014, 09:48 PM

He helped Joshua fight the battle of Jericho, he helped Daniel get out the lion's den, he helped Gilligan get off the island.

If lovin' the lord is wrong, I don't want to be right.

Hey Stu, your rents due motherfucker. And don't try that falling down the stairs shit again. You conscious.

I can do this shit all night. I love that movie.

Big Poppa Payne

01-29-2014, 09:52 PM

Hey Stu, your rents due motherfucker. And don't try that falling down the stairs shit again. You conscious.

I can do this shit all night. I love that movie.

Haha. Me too man, that's one of my all time favorites.

Baby Lee

01-29-2014, 09:53 PM

Hey Stu, your rents due motherfucker. And don't try that falling down the stairs shit again. You conscious.

I can do this shit all night. I love that movie.

I love that movie to death, but I sometimes vaccilate between it and Harlem Nights as the best of that era.

Big Poppa Payne

01-29-2014, 09:54 PM

[QUOTE=LoneWolf;10401817]Hey Stu, your rents due motherfucker. And don't try that falling down the stairs shit again. You conscious.

All right, here we are. There's only one bathroom on this floor, so you're going to have to share it. We got a bit of an insect problem, but you boys from Africa are used to that. And another thing, don't use the elevator. It's a death trap. This is the place I was telling you about. It's real fucked up. Got just one window facing a brick wall. Used to rent it to a blind man... damn shame what they did to that dog.

LoneWolf

01-29-2014, 09:56 PM

I love that movie to death, but I sometimes vaccilate between it and Harlem Nights as the best of that era.

Oh, you like to hit people with garbage cans. Now I'm going to have to cut you.

Big Poppa Payne

01-29-2014, 09:58 PM

Oh, you like to hit people with garbage cans. Now I'm going to have to cut you.

I'm warning ya, put that razor away or I'm gonna shoot your pinky toe off.

GloryDayz

01-29-2014, 10:00 PM

I blame KenDICK Lewis for questions such as these eeking their way out of CP's asshole this soon!

Baby Lee

01-29-2014, 10:04 PM

Oh, you like to hit people with garbage cans. Now I'm going to have to cut you.

I've never not laughed at this scene with the guy in Arsenio's crew with the revolver.

What the fuck you think you're doing with that little shit?!?!

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rico

01-29-2014, 10:06 PM

pr_capone

01-29-2014, 10:45 PM

WhiteWhale

01-29-2014, 10:56 PM

That is not completely correct. He began with Wing Chun.

Then he incorporated a lot of boxing...

WhiteWhale

01-29-2014, 11:00 PM

Bruce Lee beat Chuck Norris if you beat Chuck Norris you can beat anybody.

ROFL

The sad thing is that, given the course of this discussion, I'm not sure if you realize that only happened in a movie or not.

That's sad. I can't even tell who's being sarcastic and who's not.

beach tribe

01-29-2014, 11:19 PM

LMAO ... I love the turn this thread took to the Coming to America stuff.

I was real drunk and kind of purposely being buffoonish with a lot of my replies from last night/this morning...but I stand by it. Tyson wins this one, no diggity-no doubt.

He beat Joe Lewis's ass.

Joe Lewis was 137m years old wheney fought.

Fuck you, fuck you, and fuck you.
Who's next?

That may be the funniest movie ever made.
Quotable from start to finish.

Its funny that Sam Jackson is the guy who robs McDowell's
Home of the big Mick.

"Anybody move Ill blow your fuckin head off"

Baby Lee

01-29-2014, 11:29 PM

rico

01-29-2014, 11:50 PM

He beat Joe Lewis's ass.

Joe Lewis was 137m years old wheney fought.

**** you, **** you, and **** you.
Who's next?

That may be the funniest movie ever made.
Quotable from start to finish.

Its funny that Sam Jackson is the guy who robs McDowell's
Home of the big Mick.

"Anybody move Ill blow your ****in head off"

Can't help, but think about the restaurant robbery scene in Pulp Fiction.

Speaking of, was Samuel L. Jackson a regular on Pee-Wee's Playhouse or was that Laurence Fishburne?

Baby Lee

01-29-2014, 11:54 PM

Can't help, but think about the restaurant robbery scene in Pulp Fiction.

Speaking of, was Samuel L. Jackson a regular on Pee-Wee's Playhouse or was that Laurence Fishburne?

LF

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Of course that was LONG after AN

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Earliest I remember of SLJ off the top of my head of the CTA holdup man.

rico

01-29-2014, 11:55 PM

I'm never eating your pizza.

mostly because I'm never going to Iowa

GASP!!!

It's gonna be some awesome pizza, Bruce Baby-Lee-Roy. :)

rico

01-29-2014, 11:55 PM

LF

Earliest I remember of the top of my head of SLJ was Gator in Jungle Fever.

And ol' Larry Fishburne was in Apocalypse Now.

Baby Lee

01-30-2014, 12:00 AM

And ol' Larry Fishburne was in Apocalypse Now.

Edited to add already.

BossChief

01-30-2014, 12:26 AM

rico

01-30-2014, 12:45 AM

Edited to add already.

I heard he lied about his age to get the role of "Clean" on AN. He said he was like in the 18-20 range or something, but was actually only 15 when the movie was made.

Love that movie...one of my faves, evar.

crazycoffey

01-30-2014, 12:49 AM

It would be over quickly, regardless of who won.

If I had to bet money on one, I'd probably pick Bruce because he would wait for Mike to punch himself out and countering him until he would get very frustrated and beat himself. Death by a thousand cuts...but if Mike ever connects on one of his lightening haymakers, the fight would be over within 10 seconds.

Tough call, but I'd have to give the edge to Bruce.

This, even in a structured boxing bout. But straight street fight, with no crowd or rules or weapons, I'd take Bruce no edge required. I heard an interview with chuck Norris, after he met Bruce they talked for hours and became friends. All Bruce was doing was learning. More if his "take what you can use" style. But when Bruce asked to do a fight scene; CN only agreed if he could be portrayed as having a chance. Lol. Something like "as long as I get to hit you too." From CN's mouth.

BL was a bad ass.

RobBlake

01-30-2014, 12:49 AM

wouldn't be close. Tyson. Lee doesn't have the strength to go toe to toe with Tyson. A couple of body shots from Tyson and Lee would be going down.

rico

01-30-2014, 12:58 AM

wouldn't be close. Tyson. Lee doesn't have the strength to go toe to toe with Tyson. A couple of body shots from Tyson and Lee would be going down.

Yup...and some people are talking as if Tyson wouldn't be able to contend with Bruce's speed and therefore, not be able to maintain an adequate defense against him....please...Tyson was quick as hell...insanely quick for his size, and is definitely capable of countering more of what HolLEEwood threw at him than people probably realize.

crazycoffey

01-30-2014, 01:23 AM

Yup...and some people are talking as if Tyson wouldn't be able to contend with Bruce's speed and therefore, not be able to maintain an adequate defense against him....please...Tyson was quick as hell...insanely quick for his size, and is definitely capable of countering more of what HolLEEwood threw at him than people probably realize.

You haven't done your research, I can tell. Love you bro muthusious, loved watching Tyson box too. BL was a fighter, studied and mastered most forms of stratigic fighting, from boxing to fencing, used elements of all to form his own evolving ethos. And despite his cockiness persona was humble underneath. Took his knowledge into practice/training, knew more ways to kill a man than anyone. Yes, he made money in the films, but he was tested in many environments too. A straight boxing match would be Tyson's only hope of beating BL. But that's. It what you asked.....

rico

01-30-2014, 01:42 AM

You haven't done your research, I can tell. Love you bro muthusious, loved watching Tyson box too. BL was a fighter, studied and mastered most forms of stratigic fighting, from boxing to fencing, used elements of all to form his own evolving ethos. And despite his cockiness persona was humble underneath. Took his knowledge into practice/training, knew more ways to kill a man than anyone. Yes, he made money in the films, but he was tested in many environments too. A straight boxing match would be Tyson's only hope of beating BL. But that's. It what you asked.....

Dude, dude, dude....I've done more research on Bruce Lee than I ever wanted... his accolades, style, myths of actual street fights, techniques, etc. have been pounded in my head since I was a little kid by my dad and his brothers... I mean, we can't have a Christmas gathering where Bruce Lee isn't spoken about for like...15-30 minutes. Along with that, I've done my own, independent research as well. I just think his status is just...mythical. I tell my family about this and it becomes a huge debate for the night similar to how we've been debating on here. It's pretty fun.

Tyson, along with being a relentless freaking chimpanzee (chimps are pretty tough) would just be way, way too big AND skilled for HolLeewood.

If I were you, I'd rather run down Bruce Lee for stealing an old lady's purse than run down Mike Tyson if he did the same thing (and probably has many times in his day).

crazycoffey

01-30-2014, 03:18 AM

Dude, dude, dude....I've done more research on Bruce Lee than I ever wanted... his accolades, style, myths of actual street fights, techniques, etc. have been pounded in my head since I was a little kid by my dad and his brothers... I mean, we can't have a Christmas gathering where Bruce Lee isn't spoken about for like...15-30 minutes. Along with that, I've done my own, independent research as well. I just think his status is just...mythical. I tell my family about this and it becomes a huge debate for the night similar to how we've been debating on here. It's pretty fun.

Tyson, along with being a relentless freaking chimpanzee (chimps are pretty tough) would just be way, way too big AND skilled for HolLeewood.

If I were you, I'd rather run down Bruce Lee for stealing an old lady's purse than run down Mike Tyson if he did the same thing (and probably has many times in his day).

The needles from my taser would work magic on Tyson's meaty body, he'd twitch for 7seconds and be MY bitch.

The "myth" of BL was born out of truths! You, kind sir, have been pointing your biased finger the wrong direction. You look for frailty in a great fighter because you grew up hearing about him. Now you want to debunk that "mystic" because you didn't see it?

mike_b_284

01-30-2014, 10:12 AM

The fact that their respective styles of fighting are so different makes it hard to say. the use of kicks and limb and body grappling in martial arts certainly complicates matters.

Wallcrawler

01-30-2014, 10:15 AM

Gotta go Tyson here.

Tyson was big, built like a tank, and could deliver crushing physical blows.

Lee was a small guy, really fast, and while he might be able to hit Tyson quickly with small flurries, his strikes simply wouldn't generate the damage required to win the fight before Tyson delivered punishment Lee could not withstand.

Unless Bruce Lee was able to somehow defeat Tyson without ever being dealt a blow, I don't think he wins.

All this business about being able to break boards and such with his strikes doesn't really apply when you fight people. People are built differently than boards, and what's more, in Bruce Lee's own words "Boards don't fight back".

I figure the fight goes down with Tyson absorbing Lee's offense, and Lee is unable to do the same when on the receiving end of what Tyson could dish out. Tyson hits with so much pure force and followthrough that Lee's small frame simply could not withstand, no matter how much determination Lee had.

Many people think of Tyson as this big, lumbering, brute when they think of how fast Bruce Lee was. Tyson wasn't a slouch though. He was big, and he was damned fast and powerful. He wasn't as fast as Lee, no, but he wasn't just some lumbering ogre that would be helpless against the speed Lee possessed.

mike_b_284

01-30-2014, 10:21 AM

mike_b_284

01-30-2014, 10:28 AM

Combine that knowledge with (from what I understand) Lee's almost maniacal work ethic and you have a dangerous human being.

Not saying he would win. Tyson was a beast, I grew up watching his fights in the late 80's. Crazy fast, powerful. I remember how he completely dominated people. I'm just saying, it might not be as one-sided as you think.

Halfcan

01-30-2014, 10:36 AM

Tyson was the most overhyped overrated boxer ever. Dude never fought anyone and when he finally did he got ass kicked. Dodged Holyfield until he had no choice but to fight him.

:clap:

blaise

01-30-2014, 10:38 AM

Yet he still would have knocked Bruce Lee clean out.

Halfcan

01-30-2014, 10:40 AM

Wushu is more about showmanship than actual fighting. Jet Li is hella entertaining, but his art doesn't have a whole lot of practical merit when compared to boxing.

Jet Li was a world champ for over 10 years. He would beat Tyson's ass too.

I think if someone can kick you in the face 5 times in less than 3 seconds-that would count as pratical merit.

Kylo Ren

01-30-2014, 10:42 AM

Tyson only needs to catch him with ONE punch. If Tyson can stand Lee's initial flurry, I'd say Tyson would win.

Halfcan

01-30-2014, 10:47 AM

someone said lees attacks would "bounce off tyson". I wouldn't go that far. What a true expert of asian martial arts lacks in size/power, they can certainly compensate for with the knowledge how to deconstruct the human body (attacking tendons, arteries, nerves, etc). My uncle practiced and taught for 20+ years and has a huge collection of manuals and books. It is always interesting to flip through them, I estimate more than half of the text was about human anatomy.

If you go back and watch some early training films Lee did-he was literally kicking guys back 6 feet and knocking them out while they were holding pads. He had a one inch punch that was the most powerful of his day that could stop a guys heart- to think his punches would just bounce off Iron mike is quite funny.

BTW Bruce was probably 10 times smarter, trained in many forms of combat, faster, had a deadly ground attack, more elusive, more dedicated and much better shape-especially in cardio.

Pablo

01-30-2014, 10:48 AM

If Tyson connects once it's all over. Lee was insanely fast, but I'd bet on Tyson so long as he didn't get his knee blown out or something.

Big Poppa Payne

01-30-2014, 10:48 AM

Here is a good martial arts instructional video.

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vailpass

01-30-2014, 10:49 AM

If you go back and watch some early training films Lee did-he was literally kicking guys back 6 feet and knocking them out while they were holding pads. He had a one inch punch that was the most powerful of his day that could stop a guys heart- to think his punches would just bounce off Iron mike is quite funny.

BTW Bruce was probably 10 times smarter, trained in many forms of combat, faster, had a deadly ground attack, more elusive, more dedicated and much better shape-especially in cardio.

Agreed for the most part.
But if iron Mike laid one on Bruce's jaw first down he goes.

blaise

01-30-2014, 10:51 AM

Agreed for the most part.
But if iron Mike laid one on Bruce's jaw first down he goes.

He would go down even if Tyson landed one to his midsection. Even if he didn't go down he'd be in some pain.

Wallcrawler

01-30-2014, 10:58 AM

Agreed for the most part.
But if iron Mike laid one on Bruce's jaw first down he goes.

This.

What was Bruce anyway, like 140lbs tops?

Even if Mike didn't land the jaw, his body blows would be devastating as well on that small frame. Tough to fight when you cant breathe.

The only way I see him winning is if he stays completely out of range, and finishes the fight without ever being hit.

I just don't see how Bruce Lee could absorb any of Tyson's attacks.

Halfcan

01-30-2014, 11:07 AM

Agreed for the most part.
But if iron Mike laid one on Bruce's jaw first down he goes.

Not sure where all the Lee couldnt take a punch stuff is coming from- I guess all the street fighters he fought growing up didn't hit hard? Or maybe he wasn't hit hard in training by Ip Man? Maybe Tyson can hit harder than all the champions Lee challanged from different backgrounds when he opened his school in Seattle but I doubt it. They sent the best in the world after him and he took on all challengers.

People are comparing the Founder of Jeet Kune Do to a boxer who was brought up agaisnt lessor competition, was lazy in his training, a convicted rapist and was disgraced in the ring when he bite Evander's ear off when he was being outclassed by a much better fighter.

Jeet Kune Do (also "Jeet Kun Do", or simply "JKD") is an eclectic/hybrid system and philosophy of life founded by martial artist Bruce Lee[2] with direct, non-classical, and straightforward movements. Due to the way his style works, Jeet Kune Do practitioners believe in minimal movement with maximum effect and extreme speed. The system works on the use of different 'tools' for different situations. These situations are broken down into ranges (kicking, punching, trapping and grappling), with techniques flowing smoothly between them. It is referred to as a "style without style" or "the art of fighting without fighting" as said by Lee himself. Unlike more traditional martial arts, Jeet Kune Do is not fixed or patterned, and is a philosophy with guiding thoughts. It was named for the concept of interception, or attacking your opponent while he is about to attack. However, the name Jeet Kune Do was often said by Lee to be just a name. He himself often referred to it as "The art of expressing the human body" in his writings and in interviews. Through his studies Lee came to believe that styles had become too rigid, and unrealistic. He called martial art competitions of the day "Dry land swimming". He believed that combat was spontaneous, and that a martial artist cannot predict it, only react to it, and that a good martial artist should "Be like water" and move fluidly without hesitation.

In 2004, the Bruce Lee Foundation decided to use the name Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do (振藩截拳道) to refer to the martial arts system that Lee founded. "Jun Fan" was Lee's Chinese given name.

Lee's philosophy[edit]

Jeet Kune Do (JKD) is the name Lee gave to his combat system and philosophy. Originally, when Lee began researching various fighting styles, he gave his martial art his own name of Jun Fan Gung Fu. However not wanting to create another style that would share the limitations that all styles have, he instead described the process that he used to create it:

I have not invented a "new style," composite, modified or otherwise that is set within distinct form as apart from "this" method or "that" method. On the contrary, I hope to free my followers from clinging to styles, patterns, or molds. Remember that Jeet Kune Do is merely a name used, a mirror in which to see "ourselves". . . Jeet Kune Do is not an organized institution that one can be a member of. Either you understand or you don't, and that is that.

There is no mystery about my style. My movements are simple, direct and non-classical. The extraordinary part of it lies in its simplicity. Every movement in Jeet Kune-Do is being so of itself. There is nothing artificial about it. I always believe that the easy way is the right way. Jeet Kune-Do is simply the direct expression of one's feelings with the minimum of movements and energy. The closer to the true way of Kung Fu, the less wastage of expression there is. Finally, a Jeet Kune Do man who says Jeet Kune Do is exclusively Jeet Kune Do is simply not with it. He is still hung up on his self-closing resistance, in this case anchored down to reactionary pattern, and naturally is still bound by another modified pattern and can move within its limits. He has not digested the simple fact that truth exists outside all molds; pattern and awareness is never exclusive. Again let me remind you Jeet Kune Do is just a name used, a boat to get one across, and once across it is to be discarded and not to be carried on one's back.

— Bruce Lee[3]

JKD as it survives today — if one wants to view it "refined" as a product, not a process — is what was left at the time of Lee's death. It is the result of the lifelong martial arts development process Lee went through. Lee stated that his concept is not an "adding to" of more and more things on top of each other to form a system, but rather, a winnowing out. The metaphor Lee borrowed from Chan Buddhism was of constantly filling a cup with water, and then emptying it, used for describing Lee's philosophy of "casting off what is useless". He used the sculptor's mentality of beginning with a lump of clay and hacking away at the "unessentials"; the end result was what he considered to be the bare combat essentials, or JKD. The dominant or strongest hand should be in the lead because it would perform a greater percentage of the work. Lee minimised the use of other stances except when circumstances warranted such actions. Although the On-Guard position is a good overall stance, it is by no means the only one. He acknowledged that there were times when other positions should be utilised.

Lee felt the dynamic property of JKD was what enabled its practitioners to adapt to the constant changes and fluctuations of live combat. He believed that these decisions should be done within the context of "real combat" and/or "all out sparring" and that it was only in this environment that a person could actually deem a technique worthy of adoption.

Lee did not stress the memorisation of solo training forms or "Kata", as most traditional styles do in their beginning-level training. He often compared doing forms without an opponent, to attempting to learn to swim on dry land. Lee believed that real combat was alive and dynamic. Circumstances in a fight change from millisecond to millisecond .Thus, pre-arranged patterns and techniques are not adequate in dealing with such a changing situation. As an antidote to this thinking, Lee once wrote an epitaph which read: 'In memory of a once fluid man, crammed and distorted by the classical mess.' The "classical mess" in this instance was what Lee thought of classical martial arts.

Principles[edit]

The following are principles that Lee incorporated into his Jeet Kune Do.[4] Lee felt these were universal combat truths that were self-evident, and would lead to combat success if followed. Familiarity with each of the "Four ranges of combat", in particular, is thought to be instrumental in becoming a "total" martial artist.

JKD teaches that the best defence is a strong offence, hence the principle of an "intercepting fist". For a person to attack another hand-to-hand, the attacker must approach the target. This provides an opportunity for the attacked person to "intercept" the attacking movement. The principle of interception may be applied to more than intercepting physical attacks. Non-verbal cues (subtle movements that an opponent may be unaware of) may be perceived or "intercepted", and thus be used to one's advantage.

The "Five ways of attack", categories which help JKD practitioners organise their fighting repertoire, comprise the offensive teachings of JKD. The concepts of "Stop hits & stop kicks", and "Simultaneous parrying & punching", borrowed from épée fencing's and Wing Chun's concepts of single fluid motions which attack while defending, comprise the defensive teachings of JKD. These concepts were modified for unarmed combat and implemented into the JKD framework by Lee, to complement the principle of interception.

Straight Lead[edit]

Lee felt that the straight lead was the most integral part of Jeet Kune Do punching, "The leading straight punch is the backbone of all punching in Jeet Kune Do".[5] The straight lead is not a power strike but a strike built for speed. The straight lead should always be held loosely with a slight motion, this adds to its speed and makes it harder to see and block. The strike is not only the fastest punch in JKD, but also the most accurate. The speed is attributed to the fact that the fist is held out slightly making it closer to the target and its accuracy is gained from the punch being thrown straight forward from your centerline. The straight lead should be held and thrown loosely and easily tightening up only upon impact adding a snap to your punch. The straight lead punch can be thrown from multiple angles and levels.[6] 1. High straight lead 2. Medium straight lead (to body) 3. Low straight lead 4. Slanting right 5. Slanting left 6. Double straight lead "Your leads hand should be like greased lightning and must never be held rigidly or motionless. Keep it slightly moving (without exaggeration) in a threatening manner, as it not only keeps your opponent on edge, but can also be delivered faster from motion than from immobility. Like a cobra, your strike should be felt before it is seen".[5]

Non-Cellphone Punch[edit]

Lee felt explosive attacks with no telegraphing signs of intention were best. He displayed that the attacks should catch the opponent off guard, throwing them off balance, leaving the opponent unable to defend against further attacks. "The concept behind this is that when you initiate your punch without any forewarning, such as tensing your shoulders or moving your foot or body, the opponent will not have enough time to react".[7] The key is that you must keep your body and arms loose, weaving your arms slightly only becoming tense upon impact. Lee wanted no wind up movements or "get ready poses" before any of your strikes were thrown. Lee explained that any twitches or slight movements before striking should be avoided as they will give the opponent signs or hints as to what you are planning and then they will be able to strike you first while you are preparing an attack. Consequently, non-telegraphic movement is an essential part of Jeet Kune Do philosophy.[8]

"Be like water"[edit]

Lee emphasized that every situation, in fighting or in everyday life, is varied. To obtain victory, therefore, it is essential not to be rigid, but to be fluid and able to adapt to any situation. He compared it to being like water, "Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle and it becomes the bottle. You put it in a teapot it becomes the teapot. That water can flow, or it can crash. Be water my friend".[9] Lee’s theory behind this is rather simple, you must be able to function in any scenario you are thrown into and you should react accordingly. You should know when to speed up or slow down, when to expand and when to contract, when to remain flowing and when to crash. It is the awareness that both life and fighting can be shapeless and ever changing that allows one to be able to adapt to those changes instantaneously and bring forth the appropriate solution. Lee didn’t believe in "styles" and felt that everyone and every situation is different, not everyone fits into a mould, we must remain flexible in order obtain new knowledge and victory in both life and combat. We must never become stagnant in the mind or method always evolving and moving towards improving ourselves.[10]

Economy of motion [edit]

Jeet Kune Do seeks to waste no time or movement, teaching that the simplest things work best as in Wing Chun. Economy of motion is the principle by which JKD practitioners achieve:
Efficiency: An attack which reaches its target in the least amount of time, with maximum force.
Directness: Doing what comes naturally in a disciplined way.
Simplicity: Thinking in an uncomplicated manner; without ornamentation.

This is meant to help a practitioner conserve both energy and time; two crucial components in a physical confrontation. Maximized force seeks to end the battle quickly due to the amount of damage inflicted upon the opponent. Rapidity aims to reach the target before the opponent can react, which is half-beat faster timing, learned in Wing Chun and Western boxing.[11] Learned techniques are utilised in JKD to apply these principles to a variety of situations.

Stop hits and stop kicks[edit]

"When the distance is wide, the attacking opponent requires some sort of preparation. Therefore, attack him on his preparation of attack." "To reach me, you must move to me. Your attack offers me an opportunity to intercept you." This means intercepting an opponent's attack with an attack of your own instead of a simple block. It is for this concept Jeet Kune Do is named. JKD practitioners believe that this is the most difficult defensive skill to develop. This strategy is a feature of some traditional Chinese martial arts as wing chun, as well as an essential component of European épée fencing. Stop hits & kicks utilise the principle of economy of motion by combining attack and defence into one movement thus minimising the "time" element.

Simultaneous parrying and punching[edit]

When confronting an incoming attack, the attack is parried or deflected and a counterattack is delivered at the same time. Not as advanced as a stop hit but more effective than blocking and counterattacking in sequence. This is practised by some Chinese martial arts as wing chun etc., it is also known in Krav Maga as "bursting". Simultaneous parrying & punching utilises the principle of economy of motion by combining attack and defence into one movement thus minimising the "time" element and maximising the "energy" element. Efficiency is gained by utilising a parry rather than a block. By definition a "block" stops an attack whereas a parry merely re-directs an attack. Redirection has two advantages: 1)It requires less energy to execute; 2) It utilises the opponents energy against them by creating an imbalance. Efficiency is gained in that the opponent has less time to react to an incoming attack, since they are still nullifying the original attack.

Low kicks[edit]

JKD practitioners believe they should target their kicks to their opponent's shins, knees, thighs, and midsection like in wing chun.[12] These targets are the closest to the foot, provide more stability and are more difficult to defend against. Maintaining low kicks utilises the principle of economy of motion by reducing the distance a kick must travel thus minimising the "time" element. However, as with all other JKD principles nothing is "written in stone". If a target of opportunity presents itself, even a target above the waist, one could take advantage of the situation without feeling hampered by this principle.

Four ranges of combat[edit]
Kicking
Punching
Trapping
Grappling

Jeet Kune Do students train in each of the aforementioned ranges equally. According to Lee, this range of training serves to differentiate JKD from other martial arts. Lee stated that most but not all traditional martial arts systems specialise in training at one or two ranges. Lee's theories have been especially influential and substantiated in the field of Mixed Martial Arts, as the MMA Phases of Combat are essentially the same concept as the JKD combat ranges. As a historical note, the ranges in JKD have evolved over time. Initially the ranges were categorised as short or close, medium, and long range.[13] These terms proved ambiguous and eventually evolved into their more descriptive forms although there may still be others who prefer the three categories.

Five ways of attack[edit]

The Original Five Ways of Attack Are:
1.Single Direct Attack (SDA)
2.Attack By Combination (ABC)
3.Progressive Indirect Attack (PIA)
4.(Hand) Immobilization Attack (HIA)
5.Attack by Drawing (ABD)

SDA has been expanded to include:
. Simple Angle attack (S.A.A): The simple angle attack is the use of any “Simple Attack”, an attack that has direct line of fire that is exploited by faking or beating an opponent to the punch, from an unexpected angle. The S.A.A can be set up by either feinting or readjusting the distance with footwork.

HIA has been expanded to also encompass foot immobilisation techniques and is sometimes just referred to as IA. Immobilization Attack (I.A): The immobilisation attack is the effective use of “Trapping”. Trapping is a method of attack that results in the holding down of an opponent’s hand or leg providing a safe route of attack. The trapping prevents the opponent from moving the body parts needed for defence, leaving them “trapped” and their body or face open for multiple strikes.
. Progressive Indirect Attack (P.I.A): The progressive indirect attack is similar to a “simple attack” except there is not a committed fake or feint. The P.I.A is an uncommitted thrust motion that forces your opponent to move in defence as you exploit the predetermined open area.
. Attack by Combination (A.B.C) Attack by combination is a series of punches and or kicks that follows a particular sequence to create openings or “Setups” in your opponent’s defence. The “setup” is created by the series of punches and or kicks manoeuvring the opponent into a position to receive a knockout blow.
. Attack by Drawing (A.B.D) The attack by draw method is executed when you are able to make your opponent believe there is an opening or weak spot in your defence. When your opponent tries to attack this area he creates his own opening or weak point and you attack that area, completely catching them off guard.[8]

Centerline[edit]

The Wing Chun centerline.

Punching from the Wing Chun centerline.

The centerline can be expressed as the height of a triangle.

An animation of mechanical linkage to the shoulders of the triangle illustrates the importance of guarding the centerline.
The centerline is an imaginary line drawn vertically along the center of a standing human body, and refers to the space directly in front of that body. If we draw an isosceles triangle on the floor, for which our body forms the base, and our arms form the equal legs of the triangle, then h (height of the triangle) is that same centerline. The Wing Chun concept is to exploit, control and dominate an opponent's centerline. All attacks, defences, and footwork are designed to guard your own centerline while entering your opponent's centerline space. Lee incorporated this theory into JKD from his sifu Yip Man's Wing Chun.

The three guidelines for centerline are:
The one who controls the centerline will control the fight.
Protect and maintain your own centerline while you control and exploit your opponent's.
Control the centerline by occupying it.

This notion is closely related to maintaining control of the center squares in the strategic game chess. The concept is obviously present in xiangqi (Chinese chess), where an "X" is drawn on the game board, in front of both players' general and advisors.

Combat realism[edit]

One of the premises that Lee incorporated in Jeet Kune Do was "combat realism". He insisted that martial arts techniques should be incorporated based upon their effectiveness in real combat situations. This would differentiate JKD from other systems where there was an emphasis on "flowery technique" as Lee would put it. Lee claimed that flashy "flowery techniques" would arguably "look good" but were often not practical or prove ineffective in street survival and self-defense situations. This premise would differentiate JKD from other "sport" oriented martial arts systems that were geared towards "tournament" or "point systems". Lee felt that these systems were "artificial" and fooled its practitioners into a false sense of true martial skill. Lee felt that because these systems favoured a "sports" approach they incorporated too many rule sets that would ultimately handicap a practitioner in self-defense situations. He felt that this approach to martial arts became a "game of tag" which would lead to bad habits such as pulling punches and other attacks; this would again lead to disastrous consequences in real world situations. Another aspect of realistic martial arts training fundamental to JKD is what Lee referred to as "aliveness". This is the concept of training techniques with an unwilling assistant who offers resistance. Lee made a reference to this concept in his famous quote "Boards don't hit back!"[14] Because of this perspective of realism and aliveness, Lee utilised safety gear from various other contact sports to allow him to spar with opponents "full out". This approach to training allowed practitioners to come as close as possible to real combat situations with a high degree of safety.

Absorbing what is useful, discard what is useless[edit]

This is the idea that a martial artist can only learn techniques in their proper context, through a holistic approach. Styles provide more than just techniques: They offer training methods, theories, and mental attitudes. Learning these factors allows a student to experience a system in what Lee called its "totality". Only through learning a system completely will an artist be able to, "absorb what is useful," and discard the remainder. Real combat training situations allow the student to learn what works, and what doesn't. The critical point of this principle is that the choice of what to keep is based on personal experimentation with various opponents over time. It is not based on how a technique may look or feel, or how precisely the artist can mimic tradition. In the final analysis, if the technique is not beneficial in combat, it is discarded. Lee believed that only the individual could come to understand what worked; based on critical self-analysis, and by, "honestly expressing oneself, without lying to oneself."

Branches[edit]

Although Lee officially closed his martial arts schools two years before his death, he allowed his curriculum to be taught privately. Since his death, Jeet Kune Do is argued to have split into different groups. Allegedly they are:
The Original (or Jun Fan) JKD branch, whose proponents include Taky Kimura, James Yimm Lee, Jerry Poteet, and Ted Wong; these groups teach what was developed and taught by Lee, and encourage the student to further develop his or her self and abilities through those teachings. The inherent training principles of this branch are shaped by the concepts of what was "originally taught", by Lee, which does include concepts that are often misused and misunderstood. Some argue these theories are merely viewed in different contexts by the two branches.
The JKD Concepts branch, whose proponents include Dan Inosanto, Richard Bustillo, Larry Hartsell; these groups strive to continue the philosophy of individual self-expression through re-interpretation of combat systems through the lens of Jeet Kune Do, under the concept that it was never meant to be a static art but rather an ongoing evolution, and have incorporated elements from many other martial arts into the main fold of its teachings (most notably, grappling and Kali / Escrima material) based on the individual's personal preferences and physical attributes. The entire "system" can be described through a simple diagram, and the concepts can then be applied to a variety of contexts in a "universal" way.

As far as is known, Lee himself authorised only one person to teach Jeet Kune Do: Daniel Inosanto, who achieved 3rd rank in JKD. Ted Wong, Lee's last student, achieved 2nd rank in Jeet Kune Do while training privately with Lee. After this, Lee did away with rankings in his teachings, so Ted was never "ranked" beyond the 2nd. Dan Inosanto, however, fully certified Ted Wong to teach after Lee's death.

Two other people were certified to teach by Lee as well. Taky Kimura and James Yimm Lee were certified to teach Jun Fan Gung Fu (the precursor to JKD), but not Jeet Kune Do itself.

There are essentially two "types" or viewpoints of Jeet Kune Do:
1.JKD framework This type of JKD provides the guiding principles. Lee experimented with many styles and techniques to reach these conclusions. To Lee these principles were truisms. The JKD framework is not bound or confined by any styles or systems. This type of JKD is a process.
2.JKD Personal Systems This type of JKD utilises the JKD framework along with any techniques from any other style or system to construct a "personal system". This approach utilises a "building blocks" manner in which to construct a personalised system that is especially tailored to an individual. Lee believed that only an individual could determine for themselves what the usefulness of any technique should be. This type of JKD is thus a product, but left to personal interpretation and therefore drifts further from that Lee actually developed and employed.

Lee believed that this freedom of adoption was a distinguishing property from traditional martial arts.

There are many who confuse the JKD Framework with a JKD Personal System (IE. Lee's personal JKD) thinking them to be one and the same. The system that Lee personally expressed was his own personal JKD; tailored for himself. Before he could do this, however, he needed to first develop the "JKD Framework" process. Many of the systems that Lee studied were not to develop his "Personal JKD" but rather was used to gather the "principles" for incorporation in the JKD Framework approach. The uniqueness of JKD to Lee is that it was a "process" not a "product" and thus not a "style" but a system, concept, or approach. Traditional martial arts styles are essentially a product that is given to a student with little provision for change. These traditional styles are usually fixed and not tailored for individuals. Lee said there were inherent problems with this approach and established a "process" based system rather than a fixed style which a student could then utilise to make a "tailored" or "personal" product of their own. To use an analogy; traditional martial arts give students fish to eat (a product). Lee believed that a martial art should just teach the student to fish (a process) and gain the food directly.

The two branches of JKD differ in what should be incorporated or offered within the "JKD Framework". The Original (or Jun Fan) JKD branch believes that the original principles before Lee died are all that is needed for the construction of personalised systems. The JKD Concepts branch believe that there are further principles that can be added to construct personalised systems. The value of each Branch can be determined by individual practitioners based on whatever merits they deem important.

Original JKD is further divided into two points of view. OJKD and JFJKD both hold Wing Chun, Western Boxing, and Fencing as the cornerstones on Lee's JKD.
OJKD follows all Lee's training from early Jun Fan Gung Fu (Seattle period) and focuses on trapping with Wing Chun influence. This is his teachings before it was Jeet Kune Do, but still his kung fu interpretations.
Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do is a signature version of JKD as Lee taught privately to Ted Wong. This is a later time period and practices a greater emphasis on elusiveness and simplified trapping unique to Lee's later approach to combat. The focus is with Wing Chun, Western Boxing, and Fencing.

Jeet Kune Do in popular culture[edit]

Movie & television[edit]
Kato (Bruce Lee) from The Green Hornet is the first fighter who used Jeet Kune Do.
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar from Game of Death.
Zen (Jeeja Yanin) from Chocolate use Jeet Kune Do mixed Muay Thai.
Silence Killer from Muay Thai Chaiya.
Kamen Rider Meteor from Kamen Rider Fourze
Tommy Oliver' (Jason David Frank) from Power Rangers. Actor Jason David Frank studied Jeet Kune Do in real life, bringing the techniques to the character.
In The Forbidden Kingdom, the lead character refers to Bruce Lee and "the way of the intercepting fist". The film's screenwriter, John Fusco, is a Shaolin Kung Fu practitioner and student of Jeet Kune Do.

Fish

01-30-2014, 11:16 AM

Lee's intelligence and speed would be too much for Tyson. And I don't buy the BS of Tyson just needing one punch. That's silly. Lee would frustrate Tyson, and use his anger against him.

Pablo

01-30-2014, 11:21 AM

WALL OF TEXT NOBODY WILL READ

Seriously man, CP'ers don't have the attention span to read more than a paragraph at a time for the most part.

GloryDayz

01-30-2014, 11:23 AM

Not sure where all the Lee couldnt take a punch stuff is coming from- I guess all the street fighters he fought growing up didn't hit hard? Or maybe he wasn't hit hard in training by Ip Man? Maybe Tyson can hit harder than all the champions Lee challanged from different backgrounds when he opened his school in Seattle but I doubt it. They sent the best in the world after him and he took on all challengers.

People are comparing the Founder of Jeet Kune Do to a boxer who was brought up agaisnt lessor competition, was lazy in his training, a convicted rapist and was disgraced in the ring when he bite Evander's ear off when he was being outclassed by a much better fighter.

Jeet Kune Do (also "Jeet Kun Do", or simply "JKD") is an eclectic/hybrid system and philosophy of life founded by martial artist Bruce Lee[2] with direct, non-classical, and straightforward movements. Due to the way his style works, Jeet Kune Do practitioners believe in minimal movement with maximum effect and extreme speed. The system works on the use of different 'tools' for different situations. These situations are broken down into ranges (kicking, punching, trapping and grappling), with techniques flowing smoothly between them. It is referred to as a "style without style" or "the art of fighting without fighting" as said by Lee himself. Unlike more traditional martial arts, Jeet Kune Do is not fixed or patterned, and is a philosophy with guiding thoughts. It was named for the concept of interception, or attacking your opponent while he is about to attack. However, the name Jeet Kune Do was often said by Lee to be just a name. He himself often referred to it as "The art of expressing the human body" in his writings and in interviews. Through his studies Lee came to believe that styles had become too rigid, and unrealistic. He called martial art competitions of the day "Dry land swimming". He believed that combat was spontaneous, and that a martial artist cannot predict it, only react to it, and that a good martial artist should "Be like water" and move fluidly without hesitation.

In 2004, the Bruce Lee Foundation decided to use the name Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do (振藩截拳道) to refer to the martial arts system that Lee founded. "Jun Fan" was Lee's Chinese given name.

Lee's philosophy[edit]

Jeet Kune Do (JKD) is the name Lee gave to his combat system and philosophy. Originally, when Lee began researching various fighting styles, he gave his martial art his own name of Jun Fan Gung Fu. However not wanting to create another style that would share the limitations that all styles have, he instead described the process that he used to create it:

I have not invented a "new style," composite, modified or otherwise that is set within distinct form as apart from "this" method or "that" method. On the contrary, I hope to free my followers from clinging to styles, patterns, or molds. Remember that Jeet Kune Do is merely a name used, a mirror in which to see "ourselves". . . Jeet Kune Do is not an organized institution that one can be a member of. Either you understand or you don't, and that is that.

There is no mystery about my style. My movements are simple, direct and non-classical. The extraordinary part of it lies in its simplicity. Every movement in Jeet Kune-Do is being so of itself. There is nothing artificial about it. I always believe that the easy way is the right way. Jeet Kune-Do is simply the direct expression of one's feelings with the minimum of movements and energy. The closer to the true way of Kung Fu, the less wastage of expression there is. Finally, a Jeet Kune Do man who says Jeet Kune Do is exclusively Jeet Kune Do is simply not with it. He is still hung up on his self-closing resistance, in this case anchored down to reactionary pattern, and naturally is still bound by another modified pattern and can move within its limits. He has not digested the simple fact that truth exists outside all molds; pattern and awareness is never exclusive. Again let me remind you Jeet Kune Do is just a name used, a boat to get one across, and once across it is to be discarded and not to be carried on one's back.

— Bruce Lee[3]

JKD as it survives today — if one wants to view it "refined" as a product, not a process — is what was left at the time of Lee's death. It is the result of the lifelong martial arts development process Lee went through. Lee stated that his concept is not an "adding to" of more and more things on top of each other to form a system, but rather, a winnowing out. The metaphor Lee borrowed from Chan Buddhism was of constantly filling a cup with water, and then emptying it, used for describing Lee's philosophy of "casting off what is useless". He used the sculptor's mentality of beginning with a lump of clay and hacking away at the "unessentials"; the end result was what he considered to be the bare combat essentials, or JKD. The dominant or strongest hand should be in the lead because it would perform a greater percentage of the work. Lee minimised the use of other stances except when circumstances warranted such actions. Although the On-Guard position is a good overall stance, it is by no means the only one. He acknowledged that there were times when other positions should be utilised.

Lee felt the dynamic property of JKD was what enabled its practitioners to adapt to the constant changes and fluctuations of live combat. He believed that these decisions should be done within the context of "real combat" and/or "all out sparring" and that it was only in this environment that a person could actually deem a technique worthy of adoption.

Lee did not stress the memorisation of solo training forms or "Kata", as most traditional styles do in their beginning-level training. He often compared doing forms without an opponent, to attempting to learn to swim on dry land. Lee believed that real combat was alive and dynamic. Circumstances in a fight change from millisecond to millisecond .Thus, pre-arranged patterns and techniques are not adequate in dealing with such a changing situation. As an antidote to this thinking, Lee once wrote an epitaph which read: 'In memory of a once fluid man, crammed and distorted by the classical mess.' The "classical mess" in this instance was what Lee thought of classical martial arts.

Principles[edit]

The following are principles that Lee incorporated into his Jeet Kune Do.[4] Lee felt these were universal combat truths that were self-evident, and would lead to combat success if followed. Familiarity with each of the "Four ranges of combat", in particular, is thought to be instrumental in becoming a "total" martial artist.

JKD teaches that the best defence is a strong offence, hence the principle of an "intercepting fist". For a person to attack another hand-to-hand, the attacker must approach the target. This provides an opportunity for the attacked person to "intercept" the attacking movement. The principle of interception may be applied to more than intercepting physical attacks. Non-verbal cues (subtle movements that an opponent may be unaware of) may be perceived or "intercepted", and thus be used to one's advantage.

The "Five ways of attack", categories which help JKD practitioners organise their fighting repertoire, comprise the offensive teachings of JKD. The concepts of "Stop hits & stop kicks", and "Simultaneous parrying & punching", borrowed from épée fencing's and Wing Chun's concepts of single fluid motions which attack while defending, comprise the defensive teachings of JKD. These concepts were modified for unarmed combat and implemented into the JKD framework by Lee, to complement the principle of interception.

Straight Lead[edit]

Lee felt that the straight lead was the most integral part of Jeet Kune Do punching, "The leading straight punch is the backbone of all punching in Jeet Kune Do".[5] The straight lead is not a power strike but a strike built for speed. The straight lead should always be held loosely with a slight motion, this adds to its speed and makes it harder to see and block. The strike is not only the fastest punch in JKD, but also the most accurate. The speed is attributed to the fact that the fist is held out slightly making it closer to the target and its accuracy is gained from the punch being thrown straight forward from your centerline. The straight lead should be held and thrown loosely and easily tightening up only upon impact adding a snap to your punch. The straight lead punch can be thrown from multiple angles and levels.[6] 1. High straight lead 2. Medium straight lead (to body) 3. Low straight lead 4. Slanting right 5. Slanting left 6. Double straight lead "Your leads hand should be like greased lightning and must never be held rigidly or motionless. Keep it slightly moving (without exaggeration) in a threatening manner, as it not only keeps your opponent on edge, but can also be delivered faster from motion than from immobility. Like a cobra, your strike should be felt before it is seen".[5]

Non-Cellphone Punch[edit]

Lee felt explosive attacks with no telegraphing signs of intention were best. He displayed that the attacks should catch the opponent off guard, throwing them off balance, leaving the opponent unable to defend against further attacks. "The concept behind this is that when you initiate your punch without any forewarning, such as tensing your shoulders or moving your foot or body, the opponent will not have enough time to react".[7] The key is that you must keep your body and arms loose, weaving your arms slightly only becoming tense upon impact. Lee wanted no wind up movements or "get ready poses" before any of your strikes were thrown. Lee explained that any twitches or slight movements before striking should be avoided as they will give the opponent signs or hints as to what you are planning and then they will be able to strike you first while you are preparing an attack. Consequently, non-telegraphic movement is an essential part of Jeet Kune Do philosophy.[8]

"Be like water"[edit]

Lee emphasized that every situation, in fighting or in everyday life, is varied. To obtain victory, therefore, it is essential not to be rigid, but to be fluid and able to adapt to any situation. He compared it to being like water, "Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle and it becomes the bottle. You put it in a teapot it becomes the teapot. That water can flow, or it can crash. Be water my friend".[9] Lee’s theory behind this is rather simple, you must be able to function in any scenario you are thrown into and you should react accordingly. You should know when to speed up or slow down, when to expand and when to contract, when to remain flowing and when to crash. It is the awareness that both life and fighting can be shapeless and ever changing that allows one to be able to adapt to those changes instantaneously and bring forth the appropriate solution. Lee didn’t believe in "styles" and felt that everyone and every situation is different, not everyone fits into a mould, we must remain flexible in order obtain new knowledge and victory in both life and combat. We must never become stagnant in the mind or method always evolving and moving towards improving ourselves.[10]

Economy of motion [edit]

Jeet Kune Do seeks to waste no time or movement, teaching that the simplest things work best as in Wing Chun. Economy of motion is the principle by which JKD practitioners achieve:
Efficiency: An attack which reaches its target in the least amount of time, with maximum force.
Directness: Doing what comes naturally in a disciplined way.
Simplicity: Thinking in an uncomplicated manner; without ornamentation.

This is meant to help a practitioner conserve both energy and time; two crucial components in a physical confrontation. Maximized force seeks to end the battle quickly due to the amount of damage inflicted upon the opponent. Rapidity aims to reach the target before the opponent can react, which is half-beat faster timing, learned in Wing Chun and Western boxing.[11] Learned techniques are utilised in JKD to apply these principles to a variety of situations.

Stop hits and stop kicks[edit]

"When the distance is wide, the attacking opponent requires some sort of preparation. Therefore, attack him on his preparation of attack." "To reach me, you must move to me. Your attack offers me an opportunity to intercept you." This means intercepting an opponent's attack with an attack of your own instead of a simple block. It is for this concept Jeet Kune Do is named. JKD practitioners believe that this is the most difficult defensive skill to develop. This strategy is a feature of some traditional Chinese martial arts as wing chun, as well as an essential component of European épée fencing. Stop hits & kicks utilise the principle of economy of motion by combining attack and defence into one movement thus minimising the "time" element.

Simultaneous parrying and punching[edit]

When confronting an incoming attack, the attack is parried or deflected and a counterattack is delivered at the same time. Not as advanced as a stop hit but more effective than blocking and counterattacking in sequence. This is practised by some Chinese martial arts as wing chun etc., it is also known in Krav Maga as "bursting". Simultaneous parrying & punching utilises the principle of economy of motion by combining attack and defence into one movement thus minimising the "time" element and maximising the "energy" element. Efficiency is gained by utilising a parry rather than a block. By definition a "block" stops an attack whereas a parry merely re-directs an attack. Redirection has two advantages: 1)It requires less energy to execute; 2) It utilises the opponents energy against them by creating an imbalance. Efficiency is gained in that the opponent has less time to react to an incoming attack, since they are still nullifying the original attack.

Low kicks[edit]

JKD practitioners believe they should target their kicks to their opponent's shins, knees, thighs, and midsection like in wing chun.[12] These targets are the closest to the foot, provide more stability and are more difficult to defend against. Maintaining low kicks utilises the principle of economy of motion by reducing the distance a kick must travel thus minimising the "time" element. However, as with all other JKD principles nothing is "written in stone". If a target of opportunity presents itself, even a target above the waist, one could take advantage of the situation without feeling hampered by this principle.

Four ranges of combat[edit]
Kicking
Punching
Trapping
Grappling

Jeet Kune Do students train in each of the aforementioned ranges equally. According to Lee, this range of training serves to differentiate JKD from other martial arts. Lee stated that most but not all traditional martial arts systems specialise in training at one or two ranges. Lee's theories have been especially influential and substantiated in the field of Mixed Martial Arts, as the MMA Phases of Combat are essentially the same concept as the JKD combat ranges. As a historical note, the ranges in JKD have evolved over time. Initially the ranges were categorised as short or close, medium, and long range.[13] These terms proved ambiguous and eventually evolved into their more descriptive forms although there may still be others who prefer the three categories.

Five ways of attack[edit]

The Original Five Ways of Attack Are:
1.Single Direct Attack (SDA)
2.Attack By Combination (ABC)
3.Progressive Indirect Attack (PIA)
4.(Hand) Immobilization Attack (HIA)
5.Attack by Drawing (ABD)

SDA has been expanded to include:
. Simple Angle attack (S.A.A): The simple angle attack is the use of any “Simple Attack”, an attack that has direct line of fire that is exploited by faking or beating an opponent to the punch, from an unexpected angle. The S.A.A can be set up by either feinting or readjusting the distance with footwork.

HIA has been expanded to also encompass foot immobilisation techniques and is sometimes just referred to as IA. Immobilization Attack (I.A): The immobilisation attack is the effective use of “Trapping”. Trapping is a method of attack that results in the holding down of an opponent’s hand or leg providing a safe route of attack. The trapping prevents the opponent from moving the body parts needed for defence, leaving them “trapped” and their body or face open for multiple strikes.
. Progressive Indirect Attack (P.I.A): The progressive indirect attack is similar to a “simple attack” except there is not a committed fake or feint. The P.I.A is an uncommitted thrust motion that forces your opponent to move in defence as you exploit the predetermined open area.
. Attack by Combination (A.B.C) Attack by combination is a series of punches and or kicks that follows a particular sequence to create openings or “Setups” in your opponent’s defence. The “setup” is created by the series of punches and or kicks manoeuvring the opponent into a position to receive a knockout blow.
. Attack by Drawing (A.B.D) The attack by draw method is executed when you are able to make your opponent believe there is an opening or weak spot in your defence. When your opponent tries to attack this area he creates his own opening or weak point and you attack that area, completely catching them off guard.[8]

Centerline[edit]

The Wing Chun centerline.

Punching from the Wing Chun centerline.

The centerline can be expressed as the height of a triangle.

An animation of mechanical linkage to the shoulders of the triangle illustrates the importance of guarding the centerline.
The centerline is an imaginary line drawn vertically along the center of a standing human body, and refers to the space directly in front of that body. If we draw an isosceles triangle on the floor, for which our body forms the base, and our arms form the equal legs of the triangle, then h (height of the triangle) is that same centerline. The Wing Chun concept is to exploit, control and dominate an opponent's centerline. All attacks, defences, and footwork are designed to guard your own centerline while entering your opponent's centerline space. Lee incorporated this theory into JKD from his sifu Yip Man's Wing Chun.

The three guidelines for centerline are:
The one who controls the centerline will control the fight.
Protect and maintain your own centerline while you control and exploit your opponent's.
Control the centerline by occupying it.

This notion is closely related to maintaining control of the center squares in the strategic game chess. The concept is obviously present in xiangqi (Chinese chess), where an "X" is drawn on the game board, in front of both players' general and advisors.

Combat realism[edit]

One of the premises that Lee incorporated in Jeet Kune Do was "combat realism". He insisted that martial arts techniques should be incorporated based upon their effectiveness in real combat situations. This would differentiate JKD from other systems where there was an emphasis on "flowery technique" as Lee would put it. Lee claimed that flashy "flowery techniques" would arguably "look good" but were often not practical or prove ineffective in street survival and self-defense situations. This premise would differentiate JKD from other "sport" oriented martial arts systems that were geared towards "tournament" or "point systems". Lee felt that these systems were "artificial" and fooled its practitioners into a false sense of true martial skill. Lee felt that because these systems favoured a "sports" approach they incorporated too many rule sets that would ultimately handicap a practitioner in self-defense situations. He felt that this approach to martial arts became a "game of tag" which would lead to bad habits such as pulling punches and other attacks; this would again lead to disastrous consequences in real world situations. Another aspect of realistic martial arts training fundamental to JKD is what Lee referred to as "aliveness". This is the concept of training techniques with an unwilling assistant who offers resistance. Lee made a reference to this concept in his famous quote "Boards don't hit back!"[14] Because of this perspective of realism and aliveness, Lee utilised safety gear from various other contact sports to allow him to spar with opponents "full out". This approach to training allowed practitioners to come as close as possible to real combat situations with a high degree of safety.

Absorbing what is useful, discard what is useless[edit]

This is the idea that a martial artist can only learn techniques in their proper context, through a holistic approach. Styles provide more than just techniques: They offer training methods, theories, and mental attitudes. Learning these factors allows a student to experience a system in what Lee called its "totality". Only through learning a system completely will an artist be able to, "absorb what is useful," and discard the remainder. Real combat training situations allow the student to learn what works, and what doesn't. The critical point of this principle is that the choice of what to keep is based on personal experimentation with various opponents over time. It is not based on how a technique may look or feel, or how precisely the artist can mimic tradition. In the final analysis, if the technique is not beneficial in combat, it is discarded. Lee believed that only the individual could come to understand what worked; based on critical self-analysis, and by, "honestly expressing oneself, without lying to oneself."

Branches[edit]

Although Lee officially closed his martial arts schools two years before his death, he allowed his curriculum to be taught privately. Since his death, Jeet Kune Do is argued to have split into different groups. Allegedly they are:
The Original (or Jun Fan) JKD branch, whose proponents include Taky Kimura, James Yimm Lee, Jerry Poteet, and Ted Wong; these groups teach what was developed and taught by Lee, and encourage the student to further develop his or her self and abilities through those teachings. The inherent training principles of this branch are shaped by the concepts of what was "originally taught", by Lee, which does include concepts that are often misused and misunderstood. Some argue these theories are merely viewed in different contexts by the two branches.
The JKD Concepts branch, whose proponents include Dan Inosanto, Richard Bustillo, Larry Hartsell; these groups strive to continue the philosophy of individual self-expression through re-interpretation of combat systems through the lens of Jeet Kune Do, under the concept that it was never meant to be a static art but rather an ongoing evolution, and have incorporated elements from many other martial arts into the main fold of its teachings (most notably, grappling and Kali / Escrima material) based on the individual's personal preferences and physical attributes. The entire "system" can be described through a simple diagram, and the concepts can then be applied to a variety of contexts in a "universal" way.

As far as is known, Lee himself authorised only one person to teach Jeet Kune Do: Daniel Inosanto, who achieved 3rd rank in JKD. Ted Wong, Lee's last student, achieved 2nd rank in Jeet Kune Do while training privately with Lee. After this, Lee did away with rankings in his teachings, so Ted was never "ranked" beyond the 2nd. Dan Inosanto, however, fully certified Ted Wong to teach after Lee's death.

Two other people were certified to teach by Lee as well. Taky Kimura and James Yimm Lee were certified to teach Jun Fan Gung Fu (the precursor to JKD), but not Jeet Kune Do itself.

There are essentially two "types" or viewpoints of Jeet Kune Do:
1.JKD framework This type of JKD provides the guiding principles. Lee experimented with many styles and techniques to reach these conclusions. To Lee these principles were truisms. The JKD framework is not bound or confined by any styles or systems. This type of JKD is a process.
2.JKD Personal Systems This type of JKD utilises the JKD framework along with any techniques from any other style or system to construct a "personal system". This approach utilises a "building blocks" manner in which to construct a personalised system that is especially tailored to an individual. Lee believed that only an individual could determine for themselves what the usefulness of any technique should be. This type of JKD is thus a product, but left to personal interpretation and therefore drifts further from that Lee actually developed and employed.

Lee believed that this freedom of adoption was a distinguishing property from traditional martial arts.

There are many who confuse the JKD Framework with a JKD Personal System (IE. Lee's personal JKD) thinking them to be one and the same. The system that Lee personally expressed was his own personal JKD; tailored for himself. Before he could do this, however, he needed to first develop the "JKD Framework" process. Many of the systems that Lee studied were not to develop his "Personal JKD" but rather was used to gather the "principles" for incorporation in the JKD Framework approach. The uniqueness of JKD to Lee is that it was a "process" not a "product" and thus not a "style" but a system, concept, or approach. Traditional martial arts styles are essentially a product that is given to a student with little provision for change. These traditional styles are usually fixed and not tailored for individuals. Lee said there were inherent problems with this approach and established a "process" based system rather than a fixed style which a student could then utilise to make a "tailored" or "personal" product of their own. To use an analogy; traditional martial arts give students fish to eat (a product). Lee believed that a martial art should just teach the student to fish (a process) and gain the food directly.

The two branches of JKD differ in what should be incorporated or offered within the "JKD Framework". The Original (or Jun Fan) JKD branch believes that the original principles before Lee died are all that is needed for the construction of personalised systems. The JKD Concepts branch believe that there are further principles that can be added to construct personalised systems. The value of each Branch can be determined by individual practitioners based on whatever merits they deem important.

Original JKD is further divided into two points of view. OJKD and JFJKD both hold Wing Chun, Western Boxing, and Fencing as the cornerstones on Lee's JKD.
OJKD follows all Lee's training from early Jun Fan Gung Fu (Seattle period) and focuses on trapping with Wing Chun influence. This is his teachings before it was Jeet Kune Do, but still his kung fu interpretations.
Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do is a signature version of JKD as Lee taught privately to Ted Wong. This is a later time period and practices a greater emphasis on elusiveness and simplified trapping unique to Lee's later approach to combat. The focus is with Wing Chun, Western Boxing, and Fencing.

Jeet Kune Do in popular culture[edit]

Movie & television[edit]
Kato (Bruce Lee) from The Green Hornet is the first fighter who used Jeet Kune Do.
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar from Game of Death.
Zen (Jeeja Yanin) from Chocolate use Jeet Kune Do mixed Muay Thai.
Silence Killer from Muay Thai Chaiya.
Kamen Rider Meteor from Kamen Rider Fourze
Tommy Oliver' (Jason David Frank) from Power Rangers. Actor Jason David Frank studied Jeet Kune Do in real life, bringing the techniques to the character.
In The Forbidden Kingdom, the lead character refers to Bruce Lee and "the way of the intercepting fist". The film's screenwriter, John Fusco, is a Shaolin Kung Fu practitioner and student of Jeet Kune Do.

Jesus Christ man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Beef Supreme

01-30-2014, 11:27 AM

Nobody's saying Lee couldn't take a punch. But Tyson was knocking out professional fighters as big as he was in the first minute of fights on a regular basis.

Bruce Lee weighed 160 lbs soaking wet. You can overcome a significant size difference with skill, but the size difference here is huge, and Tyson was strong, fast and well trained.

Flyweights rarely knock each other out, because the power just isn't there. Bruce Lee may have trained to have phenomenal power in his punches, but he's still fighting an uphill battle against someone that much bigger and stronger than him. And Tyson regularly took punches from some pretty good punchers.

I'd love to believe that a small guy could just train hard enough and be the biggest badass on the planet, but it just isn't gonna happen. He can be a pretty big badass, but bigger, stronger and also pretty well trained is tough to fucking beat.

Halfcan

01-30-2014, 01:22 PM

Jakemall

01-30-2014, 01:32 PM

Actually Bruce was about 5'7 and 140-with less 1% body fat. Tyson was only 5'10 but balloned to 220 after prison.

Again, Tyson was knocking guys out with padded gloves.

One hit and it is over. Can Bruce Lee win? Only if he can avoid being hit once.

It doesn't matter how smart or good of a fighter you are...if the other guy is trained and half again your size, you have a significant disadvantage.

BTW, Mike Tyson weighed in about 220 in most of his fights....after prison he started weighing in around 230-235.

BossChief

01-30-2014, 02:06 PM

I think it would be a lot closer than most here think.

PRIME Iron Mike in a street fight type setup without the limitations of a ring and the types of attacks he can use and what he can't do and it would be hard for anyone to stop. Including Bruce Lee.

Tombstone RJ

01-30-2014, 02:53 PM

Not sure where all the...

tldr

and, when Tyson was a younger guy, he was an animal. Sure, after he got all famous and successful, he started to suck, but Tyson in his prime was an animal.

I'm sure Lee was a great fighter and technically sound. I Just don't know if he was in a cage match with Tyson and no weapons are involved, how well he'd do against Tyson. I think Tyson would be able to absorb some of Lee's blows and if Tyson ever got Lee into a corner and got in close to Lee, forget it. He'd kill Lee with a few blows. Once Lee got injured then it would be over.

The question is, could Lee injure Tyson enough to finish him off?

Tombstone RJ

01-30-2014, 02:56 PM

Actually Bruce was about 5'7 and 140-with less 1% body fat. Tyson was only 5'10 but balloned to 220 after prison.

In Tyson's prime he was 5'11 & 3/4" so he was just a hair under 6.0" tall and he weighed around 210lbs and it was all muscle. He was a tank.

Rausch

01-30-2014, 02:59 PM

In Tyson's prime he was 5'11 & 3/4" so he was just a hair under 6.0"

So you're actually arguing that in his prime he was taller?...

Rausch

01-30-2014, 03:03 PM

Nobody's saying Lee couldn't take a punch. But Tyson was knocking out professional fighters as big as he was in the first minute of fights on a regular basis.

Mike Tyson, never, at any point, was able to "think" boxing.

Someone like Ali, Holyfield, or even Floyd Patterson would out-think or out move him.

The original Lewis (Joe), and best, was a beast. Lead fists and determination no fighter today could dream of...

MAYHEM

01-30-2014, 03:06 PM

Chuck Lidell used to bum rush fools in MMA successfully all the time. Tyson would have murdered Lee in that format.

Halfcan

01-30-2014, 03:17 PM

In Tyson's prime he was 5'11 & 3/4" so he was just a hair under 6.0" tall and he weighed around 210lbs and it was all muscle. He was a tank.

According to his own website he was never that tall-lol

And against old worn out fighters paid to take dives-he did look like an animal- but when he had to fight good competition he resorted to ear biting.

I doubt he would have landed one punch on Lee.

Fish

01-30-2014, 03:18 PM

TheUte

01-30-2014, 03:20 PM

Exactly. I don't think Tyson is smart enough to beat Lee. Fighting isn't simply about size.

Sometimes is about the physics though, really damn tough to fight someone who has a 100 LBs of muscle on you.

There are weight classes in the martial arts for a reason.

Halfcan

01-30-2014, 03:23 PM

Mike Tyson, never, at any point, was able to "think" boxing.

Someone like Ali, Holyfield, or even Floyd Patterson would out-think or out move him.

The original Lewis (Joe), and best, was a beast. Lead fists and determination no fighter today could dream of...

Yep Iron Mike couldnt beat Buster, Evander or Lennox Lewis- but supposedly could take out the greatest Martial Artist of all time and the founder of a complete fighting system with one punch-lol :rolleyes:

Lee is considered the GodFather of MMA for a reason-he could easily submit tyson-thats if he didn't knock him out first with a powerful kick.

Its amazing Tyson's hype lives on.

blaise

01-30-2014, 03:25 PM

What do Buster Douglas or Evander Holyfield have to do with Bruce Lee?

Fish

01-30-2014, 03:29 PM

Sometimes is about the physics though, really damn tough to fight someone who has a 100 LBs of muscle on you.

There are weight classes in the martial arts for a reason.

In most controlled competitive fighting, yes. But Lee's versatility, intelligence, experience, and speed overcome the size difference.

MAYHEM

01-30-2014, 03:31 PM

Exactly. I don't think Tyson is smart enough to beat Lee. Fighting isn't simply about size.

It's about size and power when you fight professionally.

Lee didn't fight professionally so he probably had a few more brain cells that Tyson did.

Bruce Lee had tiny hands. On the off chance he wasn't knocked out in the fist 20 seconds, I don't see Lee being able to even grab a forearm or other extremity to pull off a submission move.

Rausch

01-30-2014, 03:34 PM

It's about size and power when you fight professionally.

Lee didn't fight professionally so he probably had a few more brain cells that Tyson did.

Bruce Lee had tiny hands. On the off chance he wasn't knocked out in the fist 20 seconds, I don't see Lee being able to even grab a forearm or other extremity to pull off a submission move.

If it's a boxing match Tyson would win.

If it were a current-rules MMA bout Lee would fucking retard his grandkids...

crazycoffey

01-30-2014, 03:38 PM

TheUte

01-30-2014, 03:41 PM

In most controlled competitive fighting, yes. But Lee's versatility, intelligence, experience, and speed overcome the size difference.

Yeah, I just don't see it. The 19-20 year old was a just such a beast.

Too bad we will never know.

MAYHEM

01-30-2014, 03:46 PM

If it's a boxing match Tyson would win.

If it were a current-rules MMA bout Lee would ****ing retard his grandkids...
Pack on another 40 lbs and grow bigger hands, maybe.

I think Lee would get his ass kicked by the top MMA fighters nowadays especially at bigger weight classes.

I think Tyson in that format would have steam rolled like Chuck Lidell used to.

.

Fish

01-30-2014, 03:48 PM

Pack on another 40 lbs and grow bigger hands, maybe.

I think Lee would get his ass kicked by the top MMA fighters nowadays especially at bigger weight classes.

I think Tyson in that format would have steam rolled like Chuck Lidell used to.

.

Crack is whack, yo.

MAYHEM

01-30-2014, 03:49 PM

Double wut; Wut Wut?

Give Lee a pool stick and some brass knuckles. Then it would be a fair fight.

Rausch

01-30-2014, 03:50 PM

Pack on another 40 lbs and grow bigger hands, maybe.

I think Lee would get his ass kicked by the top MMA fighters nowadays especially at bigger weight classes.

Tyson was never an MMA fighter...

I think Tyson in that format would have steam rolled like Chuck Lidell used to.

You don't understand the sport then.

MMA requires even more training, discipline, and intelligence than boxing...

TheUte

01-30-2014, 03:53 PM

https://shootafairone.wordpress.com/2011/03/04/bruce-lee-%E2%80%93-myth-vs-fact/

Kareem Abdul Jabbar spoke about how Bruce’s size deficit was too much for Bruce Lee to overcome against him, even though Jabbar accepted Lee as the master martial artist; when they toiled around in the gym, Bruce Lee couldn’t do much to the 7’2 student.

FishingRod

01-30-2014, 03:53 PM

But who could beat

MAYHEM

01-30-2014, 03:56 PM

Tyson was never an MMA fighter...

Neither was LEE.

Rausch

01-30-2014, 03:56 PM

Neither was LEE.

He tought mixed martial arts before it was a sport...

Tombstone RJ

01-30-2014, 04:08 PM

So you're actually arguing that in his prime he was taller?...

No, I'm saying halfcan's measurements are wrong, I know Tyson was just a hair under 6'0" tall and with shoes on, he'd easily be 6'0" tall. As far as his weight, back in the mid to late 80's when Tyson was just making a name for himself, I know he was over 200lbs because he WAS A HEAVY WEIGHT FIGHTER.

Tombstone RJ

01-30-2014, 04:11 PM

According to his own website he was never that tall-lol

And against old worn out fighters paid to take dives-he did look like an animal- but when he had to fight good competition he resorted to ear biting.

I doubt he would have landed one punch on Lee.

then he lied about his height when he was a fighter, which is not unusual. NFL players tend to bend the truth on height/weight stats too.

Jakemall

01-30-2014, 04:11 PM

In most controlled competitive fighting, yes. But Lee's versatility, intelligence, experience, and speed overcome the size difference.

Name one 140 pound MMA heavy weight champion.

Rausch

01-30-2014, 04:11 PM

No, I'm saying halfcan's measurements are wrong, I know Tyson was just a hair under 6'0" tall and with shoes on, he'd easily be 6'0" tall. As far as his weight, back in the mid to late 80's when Tyson was just making a name for himself, I know he was over 200lbs because he WAS A HEAVY WEIGHT FIGHTER.

If you want a puncher's fight you'd want an in-prime Foreman and in-prime Tyson.

I think I know who'd win but I'd still pay big for that one...

MAYHEM

01-30-2014, 04:11 PM

You don't understand the sport then.

MMA requires even more training, discipline, and intelligence than boxing...

Different types of training, but I wouldn't say more.

And if Lee was so intelligent, he'd be smart enough to not fight Tyson. o:-)

Rausch

01-30-2014, 04:13 PM

And if Lee was so intelligent, he'd be smart enough to not fight Tyson. o:-)

Based on the fact Tyson could punch fast and hard?...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vrcpFhgnmUc/T1t_hGvF-ZI/AAAAAAAAA0k/UeDJNTrJyZQ/s1600/willy-wonka-you-get-nothing.gif

Fish

01-30-2014, 04:15 PM

Different types of training, but I wouldn't say more.

And if Lee was so intelligent, he'd be smart enough to not fight Tyson. o:-)

Bruce Lee incorporated boxing training techniques in his martial arts style. Which was unheard of for martial arts at the time and initially ridiculed.

There's a great deal of additional training.

MAYHEM

01-30-2014, 04:22 PM

Based on the fact Tyson could punch fast and hard?...

Size, strength, speed, and professional experience as a fighter...sure why not.

Yeah, Lee had fighting skills on the big screen with help from choreographing and wood on wood sound effects, but if Lee couldn't beat up Kareem in real life like he did in the movies, how could he beat Tyson?

MAYHEM

01-30-2014, 04:23 PM

Name one 140 pound MMA heavy weight champion.

Bruce Lee.

vailpass

01-30-2014, 04:26 PM

Exactly. I don't think Tyson is smart enough to beat Lee. Fighting isn't simply about size.

Correct. It's about mean. And strong. And big.

Fishpicker

01-30-2014, 04:26 PM

like i posted before, Bruce FTW via toe jab

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Jakemall

01-30-2014, 04:26 PM

Bruce Lee.

LOL Professional MMA didn't exist and Bruce Lee never fought a professional championship fight in any venue.

Rausch

01-30-2014, 04:27 PM

LOL Professional MMA didn't exist and Bruce Lee never fought a professional championship fight in any venue.

Not true...

Easy 6

01-30-2014, 04:28 PM

Someone earlier correctly pointed out that you pretty much never see true eastern styles used in modern MMA, but they left out the reason why... if some true kung fu master were allowed to fight and use everything he knew there would be a trail of dead bodies and assorted grievous injuries in their wake.

In a no shots barred fight, I believe Bruce would first confuse and frustrate Tyson, then as Mike angrily rushed in Bruce would catch him with something that'd either break a limb or damn near kill him.

MAYHEM

01-30-2014, 04:28 PM

Bruce Lee incorporated boxing training techniques in his martial arts style. Which was unheard of for martial arts at the time and initially ridiculed.

There's a great deal of additional training.

More techniques, yes, but I doubt MMA trains longer and harder than prize fighters.

Jakemall

01-30-2014, 04:29 PM

If you want a puncher's fight you'd want an in-prime Foreman and in-prime Tyson.

I think I know who'd win but I'd still pay big for that one...

It'd come down to can Foreman keep Tyson from staying inside his reach. On the outside Foreman would kill him...inside Tyson can rip anyone up.

Rausch

01-30-2014, 04:34 PM

It'd come down to can Foreman keep Tyson from staying inside his reach. On the outside Foreman would kill him...inside Tyson can rip anyone up.

Frazier loved dirty boxing and Foreman fucking ruined him...

Tombstone RJ

01-30-2014, 04:40 PM

Tyson circa 1987 fighting a much larger fighter:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/features/tyson/gallery/4/tyson05_lg-01.jpg

Tombstone RJ

01-30-2014, 04:42 PM

Another pic of Tyson circa 1987:

http://cconnect.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/1987-Panini-Mike-Tyson-191x300.jpg

Rausch

01-30-2014, 05:17 PM

On a side note what I wouldn't give to have this signed...

http://sportschump.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Ali-Frazier-Foreman.jpg

Jobomb

01-30-2014, 10:19 PM

People watch too many movies. Tyson has 100 lbs on him. And a vicious pinch, speed, and everything else that comes with being a world class boxer.

Mayweather would win too.

In58men

01-30-2014, 10:28 PM

ROFL at the Bruce Lee votes. People are seriously saying Lee would beat up Tyson on a fight. Holy shit

RobBlake

01-30-2014, 10:59 PM

ROFL at the Bruce Lee votes. People are seriously saying Lee would beat up Tyson on a fight. Holy shit

People watch too many kung fu movies. Tyson would have some difficulty in the size up phase of the fight, but once Tyson lands a solid punch -- can be body or head.. game over.

ThaVirus

01-30-2014, 10:59 PM

Well, I'm glad we can just look at a couple guys and determine who'd be the winner based on their size. If that were the case, there'd never be fights...

I understand the importance of mass and it's relation to power, but there's a huge difference in fighting styles that favors Lee. There are also weaknesses in human anatomy that can easily be exploited, which also just so happen to benefit Lee.

I'm talking leg strikes (which are far more powerful than any other) and joints. In Tyson's traditional boxing stance, the nearest part of his body to Lee would be his forward knee. That's just a huge weak spot, in my opinion. Especially when you consider he'd be fighting someone as skilled and as fast as Lee.

Lost in all the talk about how fast he was, though, Lee was every bit as powerful. There are truly some remarkable feats of strength that guy displayed in his short life. This is just a small quote from someone that knew him:

Wally Jay - "I last saw Bruce after he moved from Culver City to Bel Air. He had a big heavy bag hanging out on his patio. It weighed 300lbs. I could hardly move it at all. Bruce said to me "Hey, Wally, watch this" and he jumped back and kicked it and this monster of a heavy bag went up to the ceiling, Thump!!! And came back down. I still can't believe the power that guy had".

A few well-placed low kicks to the thigh and/or knee area could really devastate Tyson. People often forget that the true power of a punch starts in the ground. If one leg is structurally weakened, that could do a lot to dampen Tyson's punching power.

Holy hell, I'm nerding out right now and need to stop... The point I'm trying to make is that I have no fucking clue who'd win but I hate when people assume that a smaller guy would have no chance against a bigger guy.

Dayze

01-31-2014, 12:11 AM

the more and more I think about it, Lee would woop that ass.

I don't think he'd allow Tike Myson to land a clean blow. He's too quickl

Size/pound difference doesn't matter if you crack a dude on the button.

WhiteWhale

01-31-2014, 03:23 AM

Well, I'm glad we can just look at a couple guys and determine who'd be the winner based on their size. If that were the case, there'd never be fights...

I understand the importance of mass and it's relation to power, but there's a huge difference in fighting styles that favors Lee. There are also weaknesses in human anatomy that can easily be exploited, which also just so happen to benefit Lee.

I'm talking leg strikes (which are far more powerful than any other) and joints. In Tyson's traditional boxing stance, the nearest part of his body to Lee would be his forward knee. That's just a huge weak spot, in my opinion. Especially when you consider he'd be fighting someone as skilled and as fast as Lee.

Lost in all the talk about how fast he was, though, Lee was every bit as powerful. There are truly some remarkable feats of strength that guy displayed in his short life. This is just a small quote from someone that knew him:

Wally Jay - "I last saw Bruce after he moved from Culver City to Bel Air. He had a big heavy bag hanging out on his patio. It weighed 300lbs. I could hardly move it at all. Bruce said to me "Hey, Wally, watch this" and he jumped back and kicked it and this monster of a heavy bag went up to the ceiling, Thump!!! And came back down. I still can't believe the power that guy had".

A few well-placed low kicks to the thigh and/or knee area could really devastate Tyson. People often forget that the true power of a punch starts in the ground. If one leg is structurally weakened, that could do a lot to dampen Tyson's punching power.

Holy hell, I'm nerding out right now and need to stop... The point I'm trying to make is that I have no ****ing clue who'd win but I hate when people assume that a smaller guy would have no chance against a bigger guy.

What are you talking about? The difference in fighting styles favors the superior style.

Boxing > Wing Chun

Seriously guys... Bruce Lee was an actor since childhood. He was raised on a soundstage, not a dojo.

I assume one guy would win because one guy was a professional fighter while the other was an actor. There is nothing other than movies and anecdotes for anyone to think a 165 pound actor could beat up a former Heavyweight boxing champion. It's hilariously preposterous. "Lee would win... he trained Kareem and beat up Chuck Norris in a movie once!"

WhiteWhale

01-31-2014, 03:37 AM

Correct. It's about mean. And strong. And big.

It's amazing people can keep saying that.

Anyone who's been in an actual fight knows size/strength is a huge factor in the winner. These people believe in hollywood cliches.

Professional combat sports have weight classes exactly BECAUSE it matters.

I do like the mean reference. Mean matters a lot too.

OldSchool

01-31-2014, 04:34 AM

As much as I liked Bruce Lee, Tyson would knock his 135 pound body into outter space. Tyson in his prime was one of the fastest and arguably the most powerful puncher I have ever seen.

AustinChief

01-31-2014, 04:35 AM

AustinChief

01-31-2014, 04:39 AM

As much as I liked Bruce Lee, Tyson would knock his 135 pound body into outer space. Tyson in his prime was one of the fastest and arguably the most powerful puncher I have ever seen.

Tyson was crap. He was the best of his day.. which isn't saying a lot. Holmes was every bit as strong and fast and actually had something Tyson never could have... skill. Heavyweight boxing was an absolute joke by the time Tyson was a "champion."

But that said, yes, you are right, tyson would have killed Lee in a fight. Not the figurative "killed" but in reality KILLED him. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

crazycoffey

01-31-2014, 06:23 AM

What are you talking about? The difference in fighting styles favors the superior style.

Boxing > Wing Chun

Seriously guys... Bruce Lee was an actor since childhood. He was raised on a soundstage, not a dojo.

I assume one guy would win because one guy was a professional fighter while the other was an actor. There is nothing other than movies and anecdotes for anyone to think a 165 pound actor could beat up a former Heavyweight boxing champion. It's hilariously preposterous. "Lee would win... he trained Kareem and beat up Chuck Norris in a movie once!"

His fighting and teaching led to acting, not the other way around. Same with chuck Norris.

crazycoffey

01-31-2014, 06:29 AM

Ok, I haven't read one post in this thread.. but if you honestly think 135 lb Bruce Lee would do ANY damage on Mike Tyson (who btw I think is a subpar SHIT boxer) you are delusional. You aren't just delusional, you are a ****ing moron. Jesus kids, learn some ****ing physics. Bruce Lee was an impressive showman, buts lets all try to live in the REAL WORLD here.

Yes, I honestly believe lee could do a lot of damage to Tyson. Joints are joints, bones are bones, you can't strenghten muscle around your nose, can't add muscle mass to hide nerve bundles.

A straight ruled boxing match would lead to Tyson's strengths . A no rules street fight would led to Lee's. Any doubt about that just shows you're trolling or absurdly ignorant about the topic.

vailpass

01-31-2014, 07:39 AM

ThaVirus

01-31-2014, 11:02 AM

What are you talking about? The difference in fighting styles favors the superior style.

Boxing > Wing Chun
"

Well, this is an opinion thing that neither of us can prove so I don't feel like drawing it out for no reason.

My reasoning is that Bruce used leg strikes while Tyson didn't- and not only did he not use them himself, he was never trained to effectively defend against them.

A leg strike, which is quicker than a jab when coming from a guy like Lee, has far more reach than a standard punch and doesn't leave you as vulnerable. My thinking is that Lee could get in a couple leg kicks to the thigh/knee region before Tyson could get in close enough to even get a swing off. If Lee is able to land those tactically, it could really change the fight. Good luck trying to throw a powerful punch with a partially torn knee ligament or deep thigh bruise..

Easy 6

01-31-2014, 11:24 AM

Grim

01-31-2014, 11:29 AM

boxing match....street fight.... I think Tyson would beat Lee into a coma.

Earthling

01-31-2014, 11:29 AM

Don King.

rico

01-31-2014, 08:22 PM

rico

01-31-2014, 08:31 PM

Not THAT relevant to the topic, but I think this video is awesome...especially if you are able to dig up the pre-fight press conference where Sylvia and Mercer bickered with each other and Sylvia claimed that he would only "box" Ray in their fight...That's why Ray looked all annoyed when Sylvia immediately started off the fight by attempting a kick. Hilarious how this one ended up... keep in mind, while Sylvia was kind of slouchy for a UFC Hwt. champ, he still was a UFC Hwt. champ....slouchy or not slouchy...Can't take that away from him.

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Easy 6

01-31-2014, 08:38 PM

Does anyone know if Tyson trained in any other combat sports besides boxing? I've heard he had and have heard that he hadn't. Heard he had a wrestling background, but have also been told that I was ridiculous for thinking that. Not that it matters anyways, Tyson would still BrutaLeeze him.

He was a boxer and nothing else.

You're just too sold on might over right, Rico... not sure its coming from you, but this talk of Lee being some pansy child actor/Hollywood construct simply isn't based in reality.

Lee was a wholly legit master of kung-fu and many other fighting styles, he had an entire encyclopedia of knowledge to draw from and Tyson was a standup boxer.. if he were allowed to use maiming strikes Iron Mike wouldn't have a chance, he'd smash that leading boxers leg like a twig if nothing else.

BossChief

01-31-2014, 09:42 PM

Yes, I honestly believe lee could do a lot of damage to Tyson. Joints are joints, bones are bones, you can't strenghten muscle around your nose, can't add muscle mass to hide nerve bundles.

A straight ruled boxing match would lead to Tyson's strengths . A no rules street fight would led to Lee's. Any doubt about that just shows you're trolling or absurdly ignorant about the topic.

Bullshit.

Tyson has knocked out 44 professional fighters with padded gloves on. If he hit those 44 guy without gloves on, half of them might have died or got put in a coma. It's not like the guy was slow, either. He was fast as shit and could throw a power hook and uppercut faster than anyone I've ever seen.

If he caught Lee with a bare knuckle shot, Lee might not be able to get up.

His punching power was tested and was given the equivalent of getting hit by a 16pound sledgehammer at 36 miles an hour.

That's enough to kill a 140 pound man or break whatever bone it hits.

Buzz

01-31-2014, 09:50 PM

redfan

01-31-2014, 10:35 PM

Bruce Lee would literally kill Tyson in less than a minute. It wouldn't be much of a fight.

-King-

01-31-2014, 10:37 PM

Tyson was crap. He was the best of his day.. which isn't saying a lot. Holmes was every bit as strong and fast and actually had something Tyson never could have... skill. Heavyweight boxing was an absolute joke by the time Tyson was a "champion."

But that said, yes, you are right, tyson would have killed Lee in a fight. Not the figurative "killed" but in reality KILLED him. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

This.

-King-

01-31-2014, 10:41 PM

Well, this is an opinion thing that neither of us can prove so I don't feel like drawing it out for no reason.

My reasoning is that Bruce used leg strikes while Tyson didn't- and not only did he not use them himself, he was never trained to effectively defend against them.

A leg strike, which is quicker than a jab when coming from a guy like Lee, has far more reach than a standard punch and doesn't leave you as vulnerable. My thinking is that Lee could get in a couple leg kicks to the thigh/knee region before Tyson could get in close enough to even get a swing off. If Lee is able to land those tactically, it could really change the fight. Good luck trying to throw a powerful punch with a partially torn knee ligament or deep thigh bruise..Not really.

Kicking is not that effective for the most part and should be the last resort for most fighters. That's why you see more punching and wrestling in MMA than actual kicking. For the most part, when they kick, they're just trying to disarm or distract the opponent, not do actual damage.

Easy 6

01-31-2014, 10:42 PM

BRUCE LEE WINS YOU PUNK ASS BITCHES - DONT AGREE? LETS FIGHT!

PM ME YOUR ADDRESS YOU DEAD MOTHER ****ER

GordonGekko

01-31-2014, 10:48 PM

It's like a Panzer tank vs. a Ferrari

I think the fight depends a lot on the environment. If it is a closed walled small room then Tyson most likely. But if it is outdoors where Lee can use the environment against Tyson I think it is a much different fight.

listopencil

01-31-2014, 10:56 PM

Not really.

Kicking is not that effective for the most part and should be the last resort for most fighters. That's why you see more punching and wrestling in MMA than actual kicking. For the most part, when they kick, they're just trying to disarm or distract the opponent, not do actual damage.

Bruce Lee could kick Tyson hard enough to shatter his kneecap, and get his leg back ready to strike again, before Tyson could get his leg out of the way.