Late Night Bullshit: Defensive Coordinators

[BossChief]

I've heard lots of names thrown out there for offensive coordinators...but when it comes down to Reid's most important coaching hire, I haven't heard much.

I was hoping on the Rivera angle for awhile, but now that is off the table and his defensive staff was a joke (moving a good offensive line coach to dc) so there isn't much to try and pluck away that could be considered a good hire...

Who are some of the guys that make sense as our DC?

[RealSNR]

Slightly off-topic, but does anybody know why the fuck Gunther Cunningham still has a job?

[Sorter]

Slightly off-topic, but does anybody know why the **** Gunther Cunningham still has a job?

The Wide 9 is an exclusive club +Schwartz is german.

[tk13]

Slightly off-topic, but does anybody know why the **** Gunther Cunningham still has a job?

Once he gets his guys in there, he's going to turn that defense around.

[Buehler445]

Is there any way to pay wade Phillips ten kazillion dollars and get him?

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Romeo Crennel



































:evil:

[Hammock Parties]

This dude is ready.

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/1005/nfl_a_greene01_400.jpg

[BossChief]

Kevin Greene would make sense being he is a guy from GB and Dorsey is rumored to be our next gm.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Is there any way to pay wade Phillips ten kazillion dollars and get him?

Sure. Write a check for ten kazillion dollars.

[Hammock Parties]

Kevin Greene would take Justin Houston and just make him rape entire worlds.

[BossChief]

Haha is Greg Lloyd coaching somewhere, too?

[Sorter]

Jim Tomsula
Reggie Herring
Bill Kollar
Kris Richard
Rocky Seto
Jim Leavitt

are all guys I'd interview

[BossChief]

I'm not familiar with most of those names...can you hook a playa up with a little info on them and why you like them?

[RealSNR]

Kevin Greene would make sense being he is a guy from GB and Dorsey is rumored to be our next gm.

Dude fights like a pussy though

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[RustShack]

Mike Singletary?

[The Franchise]

I'd interview Mark Carrier.....Bengals DB coach.

[DaneMcCloud]

Jim Tomsula
Reggie Herring
Bill Kollar
Kris Richard
Rocky Seto
Jim Leavitt

are all guys I'd interview

This.

Although I'd through Kevin Butler on that list, if nothing else than to make the Rooney's overpay.

:evil:

[RealSNR]

Jim Leavitt is intriguing with his longtime head coaching tenure on the resume.

I know nothing about his ability to be a defensive coordinator or not, though.

[Sassy Squatch]

Dude fights like a pussy though

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LMAO Houston is gonna piledrive some poor offensive lineman.

[Sassy Squatch]

Mike Singletary?
Ive been thinking the same thing. Pretty bad as a head coach but hasnt ever been a DC. Could be a good hire.

[DaneMcCloud]

I'd interview Mark Carrier.....Bengals DB coach.

I'd really hate to switch back to the 4-3

[KCrockaholic]

Kevin Greene would be pretty bad ass IMO.

[Sorter]

This.

Although I'd through Kevin Butler on that list, if nothing else than to make the Rooney's overpay.

:evil:

ROFL most certainly. Love that guy.

[Sorter]

Jim Leavitt is intriguing with his longtime head coaching tenure on the resume.

I know nothing about his ability to be a defensive coordinator or not, though.

I really love how quickly he turned Bowman into a monster in coverage.

[DaneMcCloud]

Ive been thinking the same thing. Pretty bad as a head coach but hasnt ever been a DC. Could be a good hire.

Singletary would be a high school coach, if not for his name and connections.

Fuck him.

[Sorter]

Kevin Greene would be pretty bad ass IMO.

Yeah, not a bad addition.

[Sorter]

Singletary would be a high school coach, if not for his name and connections.

**** him.

He's a LB coach. No more.

[mcaj22]

yea Mike Singletary is fucking terrible what are you people smoking

[RustShack]

Ed Donatell

[Sassy Squatch]

yea Mike Singletary is fucking terrible what are you people smoking
Alaskan thunderfuck

[DaneMcCloud]

Ed Donatell

He sucks fucking ass.

JFC, this is 2013, not 1997.

[The Franchise]

I'd really hate to switch back to the 4-3

He was a DB coach for the Ravens ...so he has experience in the 3-4.

[Sorter]

He was a DB coach for the Ravens ...so he has experience in the 3-4.

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[The Franchise]

Mark Carrier, a three-time Pro Bowl selection as an NFL safety, joined the Bengals on Feb. 13 of this year as defensive backs coach.*Carrier is entering his seventh year as an NFL position coach. He spent the last two seasons (2010-11) as defensive line coach for the New York Jets and was defensive backs coach for the Baltimore Ravens from 2006-09.“Mark is a great choice for us as he moves back to his old position, coaching the defensive secondary,” said Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis. “He experienced success as a coach with two fine NFL defenses, and he will do very well with our group.”In 2011, Carrier’s defensive line helped the Jets finish fifth in the NFL in fewest yards allowed per game (312.1), fifth in fewest yards allowed per play (5.0) and seventh in fewest yards allowed per rushing play (3.9). In 2010, the Jets finished third in the NFL in fewest rushing yards allowed and third in fewest yards per rushing play.During Carrier’s term as defensive backs coach in Baltimore, the Ravens had the NFL’s second-most interceptions (93), with S Ed Reed performing as one of the league’s premier players. Reed earned Pro Bowl selections in each of his four years playing under Carrier, and in 2008, Reed was the only unanimous selection to the prestigious Associated Press All-Pro team.

[RustShack]

Dick Jauron.

[Bump]

no to Mike Singletary lolol wow

[RunKC]

Really like Ken Norton Jr. from Seattle if we go to the 4-3. I think he's done a great job at USC and Seattle.

[DaneMcCloud]

He was a DB coach for the Ravens ...so he has experience in the 3-4.

But he played in Buddy Ryan's 4-3 and is coaching in Zimmer's 4-3.

Personally, I don't see him as a fit.

[DaneMcCloud]

Dick Jauron.

No Dick

[tk13]

Bill Cowher! Jon Gruden as OC.

[RustShack]

John Pagano

[RealSNR]

Just throwing the name out there... think Dick Bumpas would make the move to the NFL? He's never coached anything on an NFL team before, not even as a position coach.

[Sorter]

John Pagano

intradasting as he'll likely be available

[DaneMcCloud]

John Pagano

Was he fired?

[Sorter]

Was he fired?

I think he will be

[RustShack]

Was he fired?

Well Norv was, so theres a decent shot the next coach lets him go.

[chiefzilla1501]

I've heard lots of names thrown out there for offensive coordinators...but when it comes down to Reid's most important coaching hire, I haven't heard much.

I was hoping on the Rivera angle for awhile, but now that is off the table and his defensive staff was a joke (moving a good offensive line coach to dc) so there isn't much to try and pluck away that could be considered a good hire...

Who are some of the guys that make sense as our DC?

Ray Horton (if fired) - Zone Blitz
Reggie Herring or John Pagano - Wade Phillips 1-gap 3-4

I didn't realize Monte Kiffin was starting to run a lot more of the 4-3 Under. I'm not a big fan of his right now at his age and recent track record. But I'm really intrigued by his defense because it basically runs a 4-3 with 3-4 personnel. This is a really good fit for the Chiefs right now.

Other guys to consider are Mark Pettine of the Jets who might have interest in running more of a 46 type look. I don't know if Ed Donatell would plan to run a 49ers version of the 3-4 -- my fear is as DC, he'd go back to a pure 4-3 and he wasn't overly successful in previous stints.

[RustShack]

Raheem Morris? Hes only been in the 3-4 one year though.

[DaneMcCloud]

Just throwing the name out there... think Dick Bumpas would make the move to the NFL? He's never coached anything on an NFL team before, not even as a position coach.

If you're going to go with an FBS, Manny Diaz would be my choice.

[DaneMcCloud]

I think he will be

I suppose it depends on the hire. If it's Holmgren, then Pagano's likely a goner.

If its Arians, he'll likely stay.

[RustShack]

Bob Slowik.

[Sorter]

I suppose it depends on the hire. If it's Holmgren, then Pagano's likely a goner.

If its Arians, he'll likely stay.

True, true. I've been drinking and and being optimistic again. ROFL

[chiefzilla1501]

I suppose it depends on the hire. If it's Holmgren, then Pagano's likely a goner.

If its Arians, he'll likely stay.

Good point. Arians will probably get a job somewhere and it's hard to imagine he wouldn't bring John Pagano as his DC. Even if it's not in San Diego. So that means he's probably not an option.

[RealSNR]

I'd love for Reggie Herring to get the job. I just don't know if Andy is connected to him that well.

Andy isn't exactly Pioli when it comes to only hiring people he knows, but he has like.... zero connections to the guy

[RustShack]

Remember when David Gibbs was highly thought of?

[RunKC]

Dick's defense in Chicago was 25th and 14th.
In Buffalo as HC, Dick's defense ranked 19th, 31st 14th

In Cleveland this the last 2 years, Dick's defense's ranked 10th 23rd.

Average at best. Do not want.

[mcaj22]

i will cry if its that turd stain Dick Jauron

[RealSNR]

Remember when David Gibbs was highly thought of?

Dimtri Patterson FTW

Actually, I liked Gibbs a lot. It appears he has gotten the short end of the stick by the Texans when they made the DC switch.

[Sorter]

Dimtri Patterson FTW

Actually, I liked Gibbs a lot. It appears he has gotten the short end of the stick by the Texans when they made the DC switch.

It appears to me they upgraded significantly; albeit they upgraded significantly in personnel as well.

Houston has a great balance currently of drafting players to fit their offensive and defensive philosophies recently.

[RustShack]

Kirby Smart.

[RunKC]

It appears to me they upgraded significantly; albeit they upgraded significantly in personnel as well.

Houston has a great balance currently of drafting players to fit their offensive and defensive philosophies recently.

I'm very impressed with their front office and coaching staff because of this. Also jealous of Seattle's, even though Pete Carroll is a prick.

[Sorter]

Kirby Smart.

While I like his blitz concepts, he still prefers to play 2-gap in too many situations for me to fully endorse. If he stated in an interview that he was going to utilize more 1-gap bases or zone-blitz in base packages, I'd definitely be more intrigued.

[DaneMcCloud]

It appears to me they upgraded significantly; albeit they upgraded significantly in personnel as well.

Houston has a great balance currently of drafting players to fit their offensive and defensive philosophies recently.

Their defense would be so much stronger if they hadn't lost Cushing

[DaneMcCloud]

I'm very impressed with their front office and coaching staff because of this. Also jealous of Seattle's, even though Pete Carroll is a prick.

LMAO

Pete Carroll is not in any way, shape or form, a "prick".

[Sorter]

I'm very impressed with their front office and coaching staff because of this. Also jealous of Seattle's, even though Pete Carroll is a prick.

I love Carroll. Definitely agree with the post though. If we can get Heckert + Dorsey, even if either leave in 2-3 years, I feel they will have done a great job in providing players that can be effective long term via the draft.

[Sorter]

Their defense would be so much stronger if they hadn't lost Cushing

Totally.

[melbar]

Ray Lewis.

[RunKC]

I love Carroll. Definitely agree with the post though. If we can get Heckert + Dorsey, even if either leave in 2-3 years, I feel they will have done a great job in providing players that can be effective long term via the draft.

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[chiefzilla1501]

Dick's defense in Chicago was 25th and 14th.
In Buffalo as HC, Dick's defense ranked 19th, 31st 14th

In Cleveland this the last 2 years, Dick's defense's ranked 10th 23rd.

Average at best. Do not want.

Cleveland's defense hasn't been that bad considering the talent, considering the move from a 3-4 to a 4-3, and especially given how often the offense puts them in bad situations. Wouldn't like the Jauron hire because I don't want a 4-3, but he's not as bad as the stats may say. He's a decent DC with a good attacking style.

[DaneMcCloud]

Cleveland's defense hasn't been that bad considering the talent, considering the move from a 3-4 to a 4-3, and especially given how often the offense puts them in bad situations. Wouldn't like the Jauron hire because I don't want a 4-3, but he's not as bad as the stats may say. He's a decent DC with a good attacking style.

No thanks.

He's been around the league forever without ever finding any true success.

[Sorter]

No thanks.

He's been around the league forever without ever finding any true success.

This. Do not want Jauron.

[RustShack]

So the top three realistic candidates are?

[silver5liter]

LMAO

Pete Carroll is not in any way, shape or form, a "prick".
Idk dude seems like an asshole. Especially with the whole leaving usc suspended from bowls thing

[booger]

Winston Moss maybe

[KC Hawks]

I'd say Winston Moss, but I guess he's an assistant head coach.

[DaneMcCloud]

Idk dude seems like an asshole. Especially with the whole leaving usc suspended from bowls thing

That was on Reggie Bush and former Chief Mike Garrett.

Do you honestly think that Carroll knew about and condoned Bush's family receiving $250k and a beach side rental?

Hell, even O.J got to keep his Heisman.

[booger]

Darren Perry has been in both Pittsburgh and Green Bay but I'm not sure he is quite ready yet.

[DaneMcCloud]

Winston Moss maybe

Do you think he's even remotely capable? It always seems like Green Bay's defense is their albatross.

[rtmike]

Do you think he's even remotely capable? It always seems like Green Bay's defense is their albatross.

True. Why is Kevin Green so popular? Without Mathews the Packers pass rush became weak.

[booger]

Do you think he's even remotely capable? It always seems like Green Bay's defense is their albatross.

It's perception vs reality. I have no clue but he coaches ILB's in Capers 34. IIRC he was mostly a 43 as a player. I know he hasn't necessarily interviewed all that well for HC openings and was passed by McKenzie in Oakland. Dorsey would have a good viewpoint to him and Perry.

Herring and Tomsula are much better in the fact they have more time in the 34 than a guy like Moss. Perry is too much of an unknown but throwing his name out there.

Greg Manusky is another that has experience in it. Under Phillips too. I just don't know about him either though

[NJChiefsFan]

Jim Tomsula
Reggie Herring
Bill Kollar
Kris Richard
Rocky Seto
Jim Leavitt

are all guys I'd interview

That's a good list. I personally would rather they didn't go back to a 43. I would be pretty happy with Herring or Leavitt. Herring has had to deal with a lot of injuries at LB recently for HOU, most notably Cushing as mentioned. Maybe Tomsula could get some value out of our damn Dline, same with Kollar. Don't know much about Richard or Seto.

My guess would be Greene has a better chance of being taken then the guys on that list. Assuming Horton doesn't get fired.

[mcaj22]

if that team was smart (they are not) they would just promote Horton. He's literally the best of the worst candidates left for a HC. There are more vacancies than there is decent candidates.

[booger]

Hell I didn't even know Manusky was the Colts DC. Thought he was back coaching LB's somewhere

[CoMoChief]

This dude is ready.

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/1005/nfl_a_greene01_400.jpg

If KG would shave his head bald he'd look exactly like Bill Goldberg.

and Kansas City needs a Bill Goldberg.

[CoMoChief]

That was on Reggie Bush and former Chief Mike Garrett.

Do you honestly think that Carroll knew about and condoned Bush's family receiving $250k and a beach side rental?

Hell, even O.J got to keep his Heisman.

yeah i think he knew...that's something so big, it'd be hard to go un-noticed withing the program and its players.

[ChiefMojo]

It coming... the 4-3, just watch (I know many won't like the idea)! Sounds like the 4-3 under which the likes of Dick Jauron, Monte Kiffin or anyone from Seattle runs. The 4-3 under is actually very similar to the 3-4 in many ways and personnel is interchangeable.

[bevischief]

Slightly off-topic, but does anybody know why the **** Gunther Cunningham still has a job?

The Lions.

[booger]

Kansas City Chiefs: Sources tell us the Chiefs have requested permission to interview New York Jets linebackers coach Bob Sutton for their defensive coordinator position.

http://www.footballscoop.com/the-scoop

[Sorter]

If KG would shave his head bald he'd look exactly like Bill Goldberg.

and Kansas City needs a Bill Goldberg.

As long as it isn't Mike.

[booger]

http://www.newyorkjets.com/team/coaches/bob-sutton/c8dd4a65-88a6-47ff-a9e4-40f229690cfb

[CaliforniaChief]

http://www.newyorkjets.com/team/coaches/bob-sutton/c8dd4a65-88a6-47ff-a9e4-40f229690cfb

Rooney Rule guy.

Interviewing someone who looks like Mr. Rooney.

[booger]

lol

[booger]

I just hope its true for the fact it looks like the talk of him considering staying with the 34 isn't just lip service. Sutton has experience in the 2 gap 34 and of course Ryan's multi front scheme

[Sorter]

That's a good list. I personally would rather they didn't go back to a 43. I would be pretty happy with Herring or Leavitt. Herring has had to deal with a lot of injuries at LB recently for HOU, most notably Cushing as mentioned. Maybe Tomsula could get some value out of our damn Dline, same with Kollar. Don't know much about Richard or Seto.

My guess would be Greene has a better chance of being taken then the guys on that list. Assuming Horton doesn't get fired.

I really like what Tomsula has done with MacDonald and Smith recently.

[DaneMcCloud]

http://www.newyorkjets.com/team/coaches/bob-sutton/c8dd4a65-88a6-47ff-a9e4-40f229690cfb

He's from the tree!!!

:evil:

[Sorter]

He's from the tree!!!

:evil:

Burn with fire?

[booger]

lol yes he is!

I honestly don't know much about him.

[RustShack]

Must be a good coach if four different HC's kept him with the Jets. How good were his defenses from 06-08? Would have been right after Herm came here...

[Sorter]

Must be a good coach if four different HC's kept him with the Jets. How good were his defenses from 06-08? Would have been right after Herm came here...

IIRC, they let Cassel through for 400+ against them...so...

[Tribal Warfare]

Must be a good coach if four different HC's kept him with the Jets. How good were his defenses from 06-08? Would have been right after Herm came here...

http://forums.jetnation.com/topic/103604-bob-sutton/

When Sutton was our defensive coordinator, he got steamrolled to the point that he expected to be fired at the end of the season (if you remember his end-of-season interviews). Besides, you cannot import discipline. It has to come from the top and it has to be consistent. Allegedly, Henry Ellard and Schottenheimer tried to exert discipline upon Santonio's head during the Miami debacle. How'd that work out? Ellard and Schott were shown the door while Holmes was immediately praised for his "competitiveness" and subsequently handed a check for $15 mil.

This isn't to say that keeping Sutton around is a problem. Really, who cares? He's an old hand that Rex likes. But, if your point is that Sutton was promoted to play Good Cop/Bad Cop, I think you're kidding yourself.

[booger]

Not being mentioned a lot is special teams. This team hasn't really had a good special teams coach since Ganz Jr on DV's staff. Priefer was an assistant st's coach who Herm gave his first chance to be the lead man. Same thing with Haley giving that shot to kicking guru Steve Hoffman. Tom McMahon is just awful. Bobby April coming over from the Eagles would be a really good hire

[DaneMcCloud]

Not being mentioned a lot is special teams. This team hasn't really had a good special teams coach since Ganz Jr on DV's staff. Priefer was an assistant st's coach who Herm gave his first chance to be the lead man. Same thing with Haley giving that shot to kicking guru Steve Hoffman. Tom McMahon is just awful. Bobby April coming over from the Eagles would be a really good hire

Early rumors were that Bobby April was the guy, I thought?

If Dorsey's hired, I can't see how Kevin Greene wouldn't get a DC interview, unless he's completely worthless.

[Rausch]

Early rumors were that Bobby April was the guy, I thought?

If Dorsey's hired, I can't see how Kevin Greene wouldn't get a DC interview, unless he's completely worthless.

I loved Greene. Dude was a fucking beast.

I really haven't followed him as a coach so I don't know if he's ready for that role but I'd love to have him on the staff...

[booger]

Early rumors were that Bobby April was the guy, I thought?

If Dorsey's hired, I can't see how Kevin Greene wouldn't get a DC interview, unless he's completely worthless.

Yea they were and that's what I'm saying...That would be great if true.

Someone up and coming and never having had called plays will benefit greatly from Thomas and Gibbs. I see that as probable with Dorsey's coming aboard(hopefully) I also see him seeing the talent that is here and the fact it is for sure Tamba, DJ, and Houston's best defense and there are some fatties to eat some space up front. I'd be on board with Greene. DL hire will be interesting too. Don't know too much what that crowd of coaches looks like

[Rausch]

Yea they were and that's what I'm saying...That would be great if true.

Someone up and coming and never having had called plays will benefit greatly from Thomas and Gibbs. I see that as probable with Dorsey's coming aboard(hopefully) I also see him seeing the talent that is here and the fact it is for sure Tamba, DJ, and Houston's best defense and there are some fatties to eat some space up front. I'd be on board with Greene. DL hire will be interesting too. Don't know too much what that crowd of coaches looks like

Greene would no doubt run an attacking 3-4...

[booger]

What's the latest on Juan Castillo?

[booger]

Greene would no doubt run an attacking 3-4...

He would have invaluable help in Thomas and Gibbs as far as game planning goes too. Those 2 would make it much less risky. There are 3 coaches on that staff that Dorsey would have great insight to knowing how they could handle it. Winston Moss and Darren Perry the other two. Even if its a similar style to what the Jets and ravens run with stacking a couple 325 plus DT's together with a stout and lengthy 300 lb DE up front doing some 2 gap but with some flexability within the scheme I would love it. We got some beef in Powe/Poe and stoutness of Toribio to run something similiar

[booger]

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January 9, 2013 - Bob Gretz
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