Go on record: What will make the Reid regime a success?

[Buehler445]

So what will make you happy with the Reid hire?

[ChiefsCountry]

Super Bowl
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[Buehler445]

My take:

Reid is 55. I figure he has 5 productive years, and most of our talent has about that.

Accordingly, Playoffs this year, win the Super Bowl in 3.

I think that's our window unless Dorsey fucking owns souls.

[O.city]

Playoff contention/ possibly playoff win year 1

Playoff contention/playoff win/s year 2

Playoff contention/playoff wins year 3

Playoff contention/playoff wins/actual shot to do serious damage year 4

Constantly be looking for "the Guy" at QB if it proves that Alex Smith isn't it.

[Mr. Laz]

legit playoff winning caliber team ... can actually win games in the playoffs not just make it


I look at Reid as a temporary guy and we need to be ready with a replacement


I just want Reid to get us back to the playoff level

[Buehler445]

Playoff contention/ possibly playoff win year 1

Playoff contention/playoff win/s year 2

Playoff contention/playoff wins year 3

Playoff contention/playoff wins/actual shot to do serious damage year 4

Constantly be looking for "the Guy" at QB if it proves that Alex Smith isn't it.

That will make you happy?

[O.city]

I don't know that Reid's temporary, I bet he's here for 6 or 7 years.

[O.city]

That will make you happy?

Laz actually said it well. Just become a team that beats other good teams, gets into the playoffs each year and actually have a chance to do damage in the playoffs.

[SAUTO]

If he gets us a legit franchise qb.


Everything else will take care of it self from there.
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[Mav]

Cupcakes......

[lcarus]

If we're in the hunt for the division in December, I'd consider that a successful first season. After that, we gotta make the playoffs and win at least a game.

[el borracho]

1. Find/acquire/develop an elite QB.
2. Build a dynasty that participates in and wins multiple SuperBowls.

[-King-]

Playoffs this year
AFC Championship contender next year
Superbowl contender the rest of his tenure

[O.city]

Oh and for him to not eat all the ribs and brisket in KC, we're nothing without BBQ.

[sedated]

My take:

Reid is 55. I figure he has 5 productive years

Wha? Vermeil was hired by the Rams when he was nearly 61, won a Super Bowl at 63, was hired by the Chiefs at 63, then retired at 69 (after leading us to a 10-6 record).

Capping Reid at 60 is a bit pessimistic.

[MMXcalibur]

Overall, making it to a Super Bowl.
For this season though? Winning a playoff game.

[Ming the Merciless]

a single playoff win would be a success, maybe a minor one

a playoff win in a round thats NOT wildcard would be a major success

multiple playoff wins over like a 10 year period or longer would be so crazy

a ring would be orgasmic

[Mav]

Wha? Vermeil was hired by the Rams when he was nearly 61, won a Super Bowl at 63, was hired by the Chiefs at 63, then retired at 69 (after leading us to a 10-6 record).

Capping Reid at 60 is a bit pessimistic.

The difference is Reid is a huge man. he has been steadily coaching, where as vermeil took a couple decades off.

I think that is pretty accurate assessment.

[Hammock Parties]

His QB choices.

After what will surely be two mediocre seasons from Alex Smith, Reid will either make moves to acquire his replacement or do something stupid.

Reid will be a success to me if he gets us a long term answer at QB.

[O.city]

Romo will be available by then.

[SAUTO]

His QB choices.

After what will surely be two mediocre seasons from Alex Smith, Reid will either make moves to acquire his replacement or do something stupid.

Reid will be a success to me if he gets us a long term answer at QB.
Fuck you q'er
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[SAUTO]

Romo will be available by then.

Go fist yourself with no lube
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[TribalElder]

Super Bowl
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*SuperBowl Trophy*

[Dave Lane]

Super Bowl win. Period.

[O.city]

I still think, if all the BBQ places in KC are still open when Reid retires, it'll be a win for the city.

[WhawhaWhat]

Drafting Geno Smith. :D

[TribalElder]

I still think, if all the BBQ places in KC are still open when Reid retires, it'll be a win for the city.

Why wouldn't they be? If this is a joke about Reid eating a lot of BBQ it confuses me. Eating lots of BBQ would be good for business. Fat people put buffets into bankruptcy. I don't know of any all you can eat BBQ joints in KC.

Did I miss something?

[eDave]

Bringing back the fans. Sell out games. Win all, the, fucking, time at home. Give fans a reason to elevate the crowd noise and insanity not seen since Marty and Mr. Vermeil. Make your foe tremble at the fact they are playing the Kansas City Chiefs. At Arrowhead! Kill the Raiders. Kill the Broncos. Walk out on that field and take what is yours every game; the W. I want you to say 'We are the Kansas City Chiefs. Come get some."

Dear Alex Smith,

You have a lot to do with this. Take note.

[DeezNutz]

Sauto on point. It's all about the QB, whether that happens in year 2 or later, since year 1 looks dismal in that regard.

[Bambi]

Nope

[Coogs]

If he convinces Clark to tell Pioli to take a hike.




DONE!!!

[Sorter]

" Make your foe tremble at the fact they are playing the Kansas City Chiefs. At Arrowhead! Kill the Raiders. Kill the Broncos. "

eDave, you're weird.

[keg in kc]

Perennial playoff winner and at least one Superbowl appearance. Essentially the Eagles from 2000-2004.

[Ace Gunner]

taco tuesdays

good play caller too

[007]

If we are not a superbowl contender in 3 years then its a failure.

[BossChief]

If he gets us a legit franchise qb.


Everything else will take care of it self from there.
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Turn out the lights.

Don't forget to tip your waitress.

Close the thread.

[Simply Red]

it'll shape out not quite as good as the Vermeil days but near that..

This season - 6 win season.

[eDave]

" Make your foe tremble at the fact they are playing the Kansas City Chiefs. At Arrowhead! Kill the Raiders. Kill the Broncos. "

eDave, you're weird.

LOL. I know man.

[WakkaWakka]

With a win now attitude from this Regime so far, anything short of a playoff win this year is a complete failure.

[whoman69]

Minimum is Lamar Hunt trophy

[MotherfuckerJones]

I will be happy with this hire if he stays 5+ years and we win a playoff game. We also need to find a franchise QB.

[chiefzilla1501]

Playoff contention/ possibly playoff win year 1

Playoff contention/playoff win/s year 2

Playoff contention/playoff wins year 3

Playoff contention/playoff wins/actual shot to do serious damage year 4

Constantly be looking for "the Guy" at QB if it proves that Alex Smith isn't it.

Spot on

[Rasputin]

Just win a Super Bowl. Is that too much to ask?


I'd be happy if we draft a quarterback that we can build a dominant team around for years to come. That would make success.

[KC native]

SUPER BOWL OR BUST

We'll probably bust though

[notorious]

Andy Reid is pretty much the exact opposite of Herm Edwards.



This will make me very happy.

[Eleazar]

If we become a contender in the next 3-4 years

[MotherfuckerJones]

I'm gona try not to sound like a homer, but I'm just darn glad that we have a real NFL head coach. Now maybe we can actually see if guys will develop and how our guys do. Also interested to see how these coaches coach and if any makes a difference with some of the players that have been disappointments.

[Eleazar]

I'm gona try not to sound like a homer, but I'm just darn glad that we have a real NFL head coach. Now maybe we can actually see if guys will develop and how our guys do. Also interested to see how these coaches coach and if any makes a difference with some of the players that have been disappointments.

It's remarkable how much Romeo/Haley/Herm lowered the bar, isn't it. We're happy just to have a coach that people don't laugh about.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

SBORGTFO

[Psyko Tek]

Super Bowl
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this times 6

[Psyko Tek]

Romo will be available by then.
you shut your whore mouth

[Psyko Tek]

it'll shape out not quite as good as the Vermeil days but near that..

This season - 6 win season.


never thought the vermeil years were good, myself
great offense, no d was fun to watch , but never going anywhere
if your D can't stop anybody when your offense puts up 30 points, you really suck
the chiefs have sucked since marty, and maybe since stramm

[Imon Yourside]

Andy Reid is pretty much the exact opposite of Herm Edwards.



This will make me very happy.

Me too! I love Herm just not as our Coach.

[big nasty kcnut]

If he get omaha to not say a girl is too fat.
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[Rasputin]

For me it was going to come down to the quarterback we got to like our coaches or not. So far am not happy, but I will give them time to prove it or get another quarterback that we can get from the draft.


If our next QBotf isn't from a top draft pick and we end up with another retread this team and a franchise is a joke on me. Like a clown throwing a pie in my face. I have expectations as a fan for this franchise to do what is the most successful way to get championships. Build the team through the draft starting with the quarterback to lead the way.

[MotherfuckerJones]

It's remarkable how much Romeo/Haley/Herm lowered the bar, isn't it. We're happy just to have a coach that people don't laugh about.

Ya. I want to win obviously but first things first, let's become relevant again.

[Shaid]

I want a superbowl. AFC championship game would at least be acceptable since it's been so damn long since we've been there.

[cdcox]

Three SB wins in a 10 year period. First one needs to come in the first 3 or 4 years.

[Chris Meck]

Reid is a guy that will coach until he cannot physically do it anymore. He's a big guy and not in the best shape, so I don't know that he can Vermeil it, but I doubt he's done in 5. I will consider it a success if:
This organization is a legitimate contender from 2014 on just about every year. Like a Pittsburgh/New England/Green Bay sort of organization. (Yes, I understand they all have franchise QB's and we probably don't yet. This will be Dorsey's job. Find one.)
I'm not going to call it a failure if they don't win the big one. I will call it a failure if they are not LEGITIMATE contenders. None of that 2010 shit, where we all knew they weren't really in contention. I want to win it all, of course, but all you can really ask for is a team that's got a legit shot year in and year out.

[AdumbGuy]

Two things:
1. Entertainment, since I like to be entertained by my entertainment choice
2. The ability to say I'm a chiefs fan with pride once again.
3. Boobs

[DaneMcCloud]

My take:

Reid is 55. I figure he has 5 productive years, and most of our talent has about that.

Accordingly, Playoffs this year, win the Super Bowl in 3.

I think that's our window unless Dorsey fucking owns souls.

If Reid is re-energized by his experience in KC, he can easily go ten years. It all depends on how it works out.

I make no predictions about success because the bar is set SO fucking low, but in all honesty, I'm at the point where I'd just like to feel like I haven't completely wasted three hours of my life each Sunday (and $200+ per year on NFL Sunday Ticket).

I'd like to be frustrated from time to time because we lost a game that we should have won, instead of losing games we had no business winning.

[007]

Me too! I love Herm just not as our Coach.

I hated Herm as soon as he said "the fans just don't understand" going to the tunnel at halftime sitting on the the ball on 2nd down with 30 seconds to play.

WE understand just fine. You were too chickenshit to try to score because you were afraid of the turnover.

[Bewbies]

If the guy wins a playoff game in the next 2 decades name the ring of honor in honor of him.

[Bewbies]

Three SB wins in a 10 year period. First one needs to come in the first 3 or 4 years.

LMAO

[KC native]

Three SB wins in a 10 year period. First one needs to come in the first 3 or 4 years and a murder charge for one of our top players

FYP

[Rausch]

Two things:
1. Entertainment, since I like to be entertained by my entertainment choice
2. The ability to say I'm a chiefs fan with pride once again.
3. Boobs

Reid already has boobs...

[mdchiefsfan]

Two things:
1. Entertainment, since I like to be entertained by my entertainment choice
2. The ability to say I'm a chiefs fan with pride once again.
3. Boobs

:thumb:

[HemiEd]

develop a Chiefs drafted/udfa QB and win at least one playoff game

[007]

develop a Chiefs drafted/udfa QB and win at least one playoff game

You consider that success? :banghead:

[milkman]

If the goal each year for all 32 teams ostenibly is to win a SB, then anything short of winning a SB during his tenure here can not be labeled a success.

[stonedstooge]

PLAY
GOOD
FOOTBALL!

[007]

PLAY
GOOD
FOOTBALL!

Hell, after last year it is just
PLAY
FOOTBALL

[Rausch]

Find a legitimate franchise QB...

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Find a legitimate franchise QB...

DONE.

#9

[CoMoChief]

-Find a franchise QB
-At least an AFC Championship/SB appearance
-Drafting well and not leaving this team in shambles when he leaves/but that's part of Dorsey's job as well...prob more so his than Reid's.

[HC_Chief]

Competence.

It has been a very long time since we have had that in KC.

[AdumbGuy]

Reid already has boobs...

In that case, I change my answer to only one thing that would make the Reid regime a success:

1. Two pairs of boobs.
2. Eye surgery

[Predarat]

winning more then one super bowl = A+ Success
winning a super bowl = A success
losing a super bowl = A-
AFC championship = B
Winning some playoff games = C
Winning A playoff game C-

[Earthling]

To be in contention for a Super Bowl win. Of course a Super Bowl win is the ultimate goal but I don't really think that not getting that done necessarily equates to an unsuccessful year. To me never being in contention equates to unsuccessful. The 49 er's didn't win the SB but I surely wouldn't call their last year an unsuccessful one. There were a number of teams that could have gotten to the SB; one missed tackle or bad bounce away...Hopefully the Chiefs will be in that small grouping in the near future.

[DaneMcCloud]

winning more then one super bowl = A+ Success
winning a super bowl = A success
losing a super bowl = A-
AFC championship = B
Winning some playoff games = C
Winning A playoff game C-

ROFL

This team has had three playoff appearances in the past 15 years.

105 wins versus 138 loss (.314 winning percentage).

A playoff win is a C-?

[keg in kc]

ROFL

This team has had three playoff appearances in the past 15 years.

105 wins versus 138 loss (.314 winning percentage).

A playoff win is a C-?Yeah, I think one playoff win in Reid's entire tenure here would be a C-.

Hell, that might be generous.

[DaneMcCloud]

Yeah, I think one playoff win in Reid's entire tenure here would be a C-.

Hell, that might be generous.

Wow, you guys really have high expectations for a franchise that hasn't won a playoff game in more than 20 years.

[DaneMcCloud]

Yeah, I think one playoff win in Reid's entire tenure here would be a C-.

Hell, that might be generous.

That being the case, I assume that Cunningham, Vermeil, Edwards, Haley and Crennel all deserve F's?

It's pretty clear that Crennel is the worst coach in the history of the Chiefs, so an F minus is a given. I'd give Haley and Edwards a D minus and Vermeil a C.

I'm not sure how actually winning a playoff game would qualify as a C minus.

[Predarat]

A C- isn't terrible but close, but not quite average. 16 teams in the AFC, if you count 1st round byes as a 'win' since you are automatically advancing to the 2nd round, makes 4 playoff wins a season. By average each team should get one win in four seasons. So if Reid is here for 5-6 seasons, 1 playoff win = C-. Yeah I know shit doesn't always work that way, but I still say 1 playoff win in 5-6 seasons is a C-. Just because this organization strives for mediocrity does not mean the fans have to buy into that.

[DJ's left nut]

ROFL

This team has had three playoff appearances in the past 15 years.

105 wins versus 138 loss (.314 winning percentage).

A playoff win is a C-?

No shit.

Jesus Christ, people. You're aware that every other team in the league is paid to beat you as well, yes?

A success? Make the playoffs more years than you don't and be a legitimate threat to do some damage when you're there over the next 3-5 years.

I'm not going to say "no playoff wins = shit" because frankly, the NFL has more lucky bounces and fluke plays that determine seasons than any other sport out there. Marty Schottenhiemers entire time in KC is viewed differently if not for a phantom offensive PI call and a missed kick. That's it. And those 2 events have also made Chiefs fans largely insane.

Sure, winning a SB is the ultimate goal and duh - doing so makes the Reid era a success. But if the Chiefs are steadily in a position to compete for one, actually compete for one (not that 2010 smoke and mirrors shit), I don't see how you can't call this a successful era.

Reid took over a shitty franchise, fellas. It's time to realize that and accept it. This team is a joke in NFL circles. While we're circling games against the Jags and Cardinals as must-wins, everyone else is circling KC. There is one big !@#$ing hill for Andy Reid to climb and it's time we have reasonable expectations of when we'll be willing to give him credit for doing a fine job of it.

[Predarat]

That being the case, I assume that Cunningham, Vermeil, Edwards, Haley and Crennel all deserve F's?

It's pretty clear that Crennel is the worst coach in the history of the Chiefs, so an F minus is a given. I'd give Haley and Edwards a D minus and Vermeil a C.

I'm not sure how actually winning a playoff game would qualify as a C minus.

DickV gets a C-. Crennel gets a D+ as he only really had one year. Edwards gets a D-. Haley a D.

[milkman]

ROFL

This team has had three playoff appearances in the past 15 years.

105 wins versus 138 loss (.314 winning percentage).

A playoff win is a C-?

Who gives a rat's ass what previous teams have done?

This is about expectations for the Reid regime.

For any coach taking a job, the ultimate goal should be a Lombardi Trophy.
While anything short of that may not be labeled as a failure, neither can it be labeled a success.

[keg in kc]

That being the case, I assume that Cunningham, Vermeil, Edwards, Haley and Crennel all deserve F's?Vermeil's a D. The rest are Fs. Clearly.

Isn't the whole point of bringing in Reid to change the fortunes of the franchise? You're suggesting giving him a pass for maintaining the status quo.

[DJ's left nut]

DickV gets a C-. Crennel gets a D+ as he only really had one year. Edwards gets a D-. Haley a D.

What the fuck?

Crennel only got one year because nobody has ever been a worse NFL coach than Romeo Crennel. Ever. If his grade is not an F, such a grade does not exist.

Seriously, he's only 1/3 of a letter grade worse than Vermeil? Are you high?

Edwards is the reason we have any talent on this team at all. Vermeil built a legitimately fun and exciting team. Haley actually made some chicken salad out of this pile of Pioli built chicken-shit.

Vermeil: B-
Haley: C
Edwards: C- (seriously, look at the talent that came from that era)
Crennel: Fucking 0. Not even an F, just a flat 0. This dude was awful.

[milkman]

I'd argue that Frank Ganz was at least as bad as Crennel.

[DJJasonp]

1. Develop QB's and leave them better than what they were when they started here
2. Regain a home field advantage
3. Don't forget about charles
4. Playoffs....and within 3 years, win one or two playoff games
5. Change the prices, or insert dummies dressed in red in the club section seats
6. Complete reboot to the pregame KC Wolf shtick....it's tired and needs to end
7. Say some crazy sh*t in pressers from time to time so we stay relevant to natl media
8. Lap dance photo with KC Wolf!!!
9. Make the wide receiver position relevant (and not just one)
10. Use the men in black mind eraser on all of us, allowing us to completely forget the past 10 years

[DJ's left nut]

I'd argue that Frank Ganz was at least as bad as Crennel.

I admittedly can't speak to it.

I can see someone being as bad as Crennel. I cannot imagine anyone, in any scenario, being worse than that fat bastard.

The worst coach I ever witnessed before Crennel was Kotite and I think Kotite was a much better coach than Romeo.

That dude was catastrophically terrible.

[Predarat]

There was a coach in Miami worse then Crennel.

[DaneMcCloud]

Vermeil's a D. The rest are Fs. Clearly.

Isn't the whole point of bringing in Reid to change the fortunes of the franchise? You're suggesting giving him a pass for maintaining the status quo.

How is winning a playoff game considered Status Quo?

[DaneMcCloud]

Who gives a rat's ass what previous teams have done?

This is about expectations for the Reid regime.

For any coach taking a job, the ultimate goal should be a Lombardi Trophy.
While anything short of that may not be labeled as a failure, neither can it be labeled a success.

I'm sorry but I disagree.

There have been many very good coaches that have produced contending teams, year after year, that never won a Super Bowl.

Guys like Chuck Knox, John Robinson, Dan Reeves, John Fox, Jeff Fisher, Marv Levy and on and on and on.

If a coach is consistently fielding a team that has a very good chance at appearing in a Super Bowl, I don't know how that can be considered anything but a success.

[DJ's left nut]

Vermeil's a D. The rest are Fs. Clearly.

Isn't the whole point of bringing in Reid to change the fortunes of the franchise? You're suggesting giving him a pass for maintaining the status quo.

The present fortune of this franchise has been to win 5 games, draft at the top of the draft and largely !@#$ it up.

You have a very tenuous grasp on reality if you believe making the playoffs to be the 'status quo' for the Kansas City Chiefs.

The sooner you come to grips with the depths this franchise has fallen to, the better you'll be for it. You fellas that desperately wanted Marty gone got your wish - and the Chiefs have largely been pathetic ever since.

For historical perspective, this is the 1988 Kansas City Chiefs you're looking at here. We're talking about a decade+ of wandering in the wilderness. The Chiefs haven't been a credible NFL franchise for any lengthy period of time in over a decade.

Once you understand that, you can fairly judge the performance of Andy Reid.

[DaneMcCloud]

I'd argue that Frank Ganz was at least as bad as Crennel.

I'd argue that Crennel was worse because he didn't have one unit that excelled in any area. At least Gansz had decent special teams. Crennel didn't have anything to rest his hat on.

Oh, and no one killed himself at Arrowhead under Gansz.

[milkman]

I'm sorry but I disagree.

There have been many very good coaches that have produced contending teams, year after year, that never won a Super Bowl.

Guys like Chuck Knox, John Robinson, Dan Reeves, John Fox, Jeff Fisher, Marv Levy and on and on and on.

If a coach is consistently fielding a team that has a very good chance at appearing in a Super Bowl, I don't know how that can be considered anything but a success.

If you set a goal and fail to achieve that goal, have you succeeded?

[DaneMcCloud]

If you set a goal and fail to achieve that goal, have you succeeded?

Then each and every year, 31 teams in the National Football League are failures.

I'm sorry but that's nonsense.

[Predarat]

For the record Scotty Polly gets an F------------------------- as a GM.

[milkman]

Then each and every year, 31 teams in the National Football League are failures.

I'm sorry but that's nonsense.

I am not talking about a yearly perpsective, though ultimately the above statement is true.

We are talking about the years here.

If Andy Reid is the coach of this team for 5 or more years and he fails to win a SB, then ultimately he has not succeeded, much as he didn't in Philly.

If you win more games than you lose, win some playoff games, but no SB, you can not be labeled a failure, but neither should you be labeled a success.

[DaneMcCloud]

I am not talking about a yearly perpsective, though ultimately the above statement is true.

We are talking about the years here.

If Andy Reid is the coach of this team for 5 or more years and he fails to win a SB, then ultimately he has not succeeded, much as he didn't in Philly.

If you win more games than you lose, win some playoff games, but no SB, you can not be labeled a failure, but neither should you be labeled a success.

And if Andy Reid wins in the playoffs, makes an AFC Championship appearance and never wins a Super Bowl, he'll still be considered a success to the overwhelming majority of fans.

Super Bowls are nice but in addition to great ownership, front office, coaching and personnel, there is absolutely a certain amount of luck involved.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

How is winning a playoff game considered Status Quo?

A) Set that bar high, Dane!

And if Andy Reid wins in the playoffs, makes an AFC Championship appearance and never wins a Super Bowl, he'll still be considered a success to the overwhelming majority of fans.

Super Bowls are nice but in addition to great ownership, front office, coaching and personnel, there is absolutely a certain amount of luck involved.

B) Fuck the "overwhelming majority of fans". Those idiots high five each other when this team takes a Tackle at 1.1

Cue it...

[saphojunkie]

I'm calling my shot. We're in the conference championship within 3 years.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

If he can draft Johnny Manziel so we can have out QBOTF it will all be a success.

[saphojunkie]

If you set a goal and fail to achieve that goal, have you succeeded?

Damn, I only made $999,999,999. What a failure I am.

[DaneMcCloud]

A) Set that bar high, Dane!

So, the Chiefs winning percentage isn't .314 over the course of the past 15 years? The Chiefs did win a playoff game in the past 20?

Do you even realize that you're expecting that arguably the worst team in entire NFL over the past 15 years to win a Super Bowl in the next five?

LMAO

B) Fuck the "overwhelming majority of fans". Those idiots high five each other when this team takes a Tackle at 1.1Cue it...

:shake:

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

If he can draft Johnny Manziel so we can have out QBOTF it will all be a success.

LMAO

[DaneMcCloud]

If he can draft Johnny Manziel so we can have out QBOTF it will all be a success.

ROFL

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

So, the Chiefs winning percentage isn't .314 over the course of the past 15 years? The Chiefs did win a playoff game in the past 20?

Do you even realize that you're expecting that arguably the worst team in entire NFL over the past 15 years is going to win a Super Bowl in the next five?

LMAO



:shake:

You bet your ass I do. I have been told repeatedly that this franchise took the path it took, to "win now". And winning does not mean .500.

[milkman]

And if Andy Reid wins in the playoffs, makes an AFC Championship appearance and never wins a Super Bowl, he'll still be considered a success to the overwhelming majority of fans.

Super Bowls are nice but in addition to great ownership, front office, coaching and personnel, there is absolutely a certain amount of luck involved.

Even if that were true, over the course of time (years), at some point the bounces should go your way.

Generally, however, bad luck is the result of poor execution, or as Lombardi quoted, "Luck is the result of preparation and execution".

[Ming the Merciless]

How is winning a playoff game considered Status Quo?

Because he is still sporting his hockey mullet and oakleys from 1993

[DaneMcCloud]

Even if that were true, over the course of time (years), at some point the bounces should go your way.

Generally, however, bad luck is the result of poor execution, or as Lombardi quoted, "Luck is the result of preparation and execution".

I think Reid had a great run early in Philly. If he can replicate half of that success in Kansas City, I'd be thrilled, especially considering the .314 winning percentage over the course of the last 15 years.

If that happens, I doubt that he'll be considered a failure, as there are many other factors involving an NFL franchise than just winning and losing.

[milkman]

So, the Chiefs winning percentage isn't .314 over the course of the past 15 years? The Chiefs did win a playoff game in the past 20?

Do you even realize that you're expecting that arguably the worst team in entire NFL over the past 15 years to win a Super Bowl in the next five?

LMAO



:shake:

5 years is plenty of time to completely turn things around.

[keg in kc]

The present fortune of this franchise has been to win 5 games, draft at the top of the draft and largely !@#$ it up.

You have a very tenuous grasp on reality if you believe making the playoffs to be the 'status quo' for the Kansas City Chiefs.

The sooner you come to grips with the depths this franchise has fallen to, the better you'll be for it. You fellas that desperately wanted Marty gone got your wish - and the Chiefs have largely been pathetic ever since.

For historical perspective, this is the 1988 Kansas City Chiefs you're looking at here. We're talking about a decade+ of wandering in the wilderness. The Chiefs haven't been a credible NFL franchise for any lengthy period of time in over a decade.

Once you understand that, you can fairly judge the performance of Andy Reid.History is irrelevant. I know that's hard to believe for fans of the Chiefs, but what's happened in the last 5 years, what's happened in the last 15 years, what's happened in the last 50 years has absolutely no bearing on what can happen in the next ten.

Hell, you yourself gave an example of the reality of that: the 1988 Kansas City Chiefs.

Playoff appearances in 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1997. Playoff win in 1991. AFC championship appearance in 1993.

That's the standard to which we should be holding Andy Reid.

Speaking of the Reid, how about the Eagles? 6-9-1 in '97. 3-13 in '98. Andy Reid arrives in 1999. 5-11.

Playoff appearances in 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004. Seven playoff wins in that time, including 4 consecutive NFC championships and a Superbowl appearance.

It's okay to hope for more. And it's okay to be disappointed with less.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I think Reid had a great run early in Philly. If he can replicate half of that success in Kansas City, I'd be thrilled, especially considering the .314 winning percentage over the course of the last 15 years.

If that happens, I doubt that he'll be considered a failure, as there are many other factors involving an NFL franchise than just winning and losing.

:facepalm: I hope no one else in this franchise shares your opinion. Truly I do.

[milkman]

I think Reid had a great run early in Philly. If he can replicate half of that success in Kansas City, I'd be thrilled, especially considering the .314 winning percentage over the course of the last 15 years.

If that happens, I doubt that he'll be considered a failure, as there are many other factors involving an NFL franchise than just winning and losing.

And you are not hearing what I've said.

If he does that then he can not be labeled a failure.

[DaneMcCloud]

You bet your ass I do. I have been told repeatedly that this franchise took the path it took, to "win now". And winning does not mean .500.

Your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired.

Regardless, in 50 seasons, the Chiefs have had four seasons in which the team was .500.

Attempting to ascribe that as an aspiration or status quo is absurd.

[DaneMcCloud]

5 years is plenty of time to completely turn things around.

Turnaround? Sure. Win a Super Bowl? Not so sure.

[milkman]

And you are not hearing what I've said.

If he does that then he can not be labeled a failure.

Now that you've had the time to digest that, then we have to look at the goal.

If the goal is to win a SB and you fail to achieve that, then ultimately while not a failure, you also can not claim success.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired.

Regardless, in 50 seasons, the Chiefs have had four seasons in which the team was .500.

Attempting to ascribe that as an aspiration or status quo is absurd.

So mediocrity, then? That's okay?

Mmm...just as I've pretty much speculated since we pissed away the house on Smith.

[milkman]

Turnaround? Sure. Win a Super Bowl? Not so sure.

Quite frankly, I think your expectations and hopes are far too low.

[Buehler445]

5 years is plenty of time to completely turn things around.

3 years is plenty. And given the fact that they've hitched their wagon to an old QB, there shouldn't be growing pains. Like I said before I expect playoffs this year Super Bowl in 3.

[DaneMcCloud]

Now that you've had the time to digest that, then we have to look at the goal.

If the goal is to win a SB and you fail to achieve that, then ultimately while not a failure, you also can not claim success.

But the franchise can be deemed successful as long as the team is winning consistently, the fan base is satisfied and the ownership isn't losing money.

Fielding a consistent team is more important than a one-off Super Bowl victory, especially when said team goes back to the dungeon from which it arose (see the St. Louis Rams and Tampa Bay Bucs).

While I agree that a Super Bowl victory is the ultimate goal of the players, franchise employees and fans, coming short of that goal doesn't indicate failure on any level.

[DaneMcCloud]

Quite frankly, I think your expectations and hopes are far too low.

That's what 20 years without a playoff win and .314 winning percentage can do.

[mikey23545]

NOT Drafting Geno Smith. :D


FYP.

[milkman]

3 years is plenty. And given the fact that they've hitched their wagon to an old QB, there shouldn't be growing pains. Like I said before I expect playoffs this year Super Bowl in 3.

If this were a team lacking talent, then 5 years would be the target for fielding a competitve team.

But this team has talent.

There should be no excuses for 2015 and beyond.

[DaneMcCloud]

So mediocrity, then? That's okay?

Do you understand English?

Mmm...just as I've pretty much speculated since we pissed away the house on Smith.

More False Narrative.

:facepalm:

If an NFL QB had been available in the 2013 NFL Draft, the Chiefs would have spent one draft choice to select him. In this case, there wasn't a player available so they traded a draft choice for a QB.

What this means is that in reality, the Chiefs only spent ONE draft choice to acquire a QB, not two.

[keg in kc]

If an NFL QB had been available in the 2013 NFL Draft, the Chiefs would have spent one draft choice to select him. In this case, there wasn't a player available so they traded a draft choice for a QB.I'd be curious to hear what you're basing this assumption on.

[AdumbGuy]

I'd argue that Frank Ganz was at least as bad as Crennel.

Herm was the worst. He ushered in this era of crapulence with his proclamation that we didn't have any need for one of the best offenses in the NFL. We lost our identity completely under Herm and we never recovered.

Everybody keeps bringing up the players we brought in under herm, but so what, it's not like we've actually done anything with those players.

Vermeil gets a B+ because at least we had a team that could legitimately compete for a championship. Herm, Haley, Crennel - F. F-. Fuck it. Z-.

[milkman]

Do you understand English?



More False Narrative.

:facepalm:

If an NFL QB had been available in the 2013 NFL Draft, the Chiefs would have spent one draft choice to select him. In this case, there wasn't a player available so they traded a draft choice for a QB.

What this means is that in reality, the Chiefs only spent ONE draft choice to acquire a QB, not two.

If the Chiefs had drafted a QB, they would have spent one pick on that QB.

They spent 2 picks on Alex Smith.

[DaneMcCloud]

If the Chiefs had drafted a QB, they would have spent one pick on that QB.

They spent 2 picks on Alex Smith.

They spent a pick on a QB. That's all that matters.

The additional pick was for the trade.

[DaneMcCloud]

I'd be curious to hear what you're basing this assumption on.

What assumption?

[FlaChief58]

Super Bowl or Bust

[mikey23545]

I'd argue that Crennel was worse because he didn't have one unit that excelled in any area. At least Gansz had decent special teams. Crennel didn't have anything to rest his hat on.

Oh, and no one killed himself at Arrowhead under Gansz.


LMAO

Actually, I can't remember what the special teams were like when Ganz was the head coach. Certainly when he was the special teams coach they were in a class by themselves.

[milkman]

Herm was the worst. He ushered in this era of crapulence with his proclamation that we didn't have any need for one of the best offenses in the NFL. We lost our identity completely under Herm and we never recovered.

Everybody keeps bringing up the players we brought in under herm, but so what, it's not like we've actually done anything with those players.

Vermeil gets a B+ because at least we had a team that could legitimately compete for a championship. Herm, Haley, Crennel - F. F-. **** it. Z-.

At least you have named yourself approprately.

No way in hell that Dick's teams could legitimately compete for SBs with that sorry sack of shit defense.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Do you understand English?



More False Narrative.

:facepalm:

If an NFL QB had been available in the 2013 NFL Draft, the Chiefs would have spent one draft choice to select him. In this case, there wasn't a player available so they traded a draft choice for a QB.

What this means is that in reality, the Chiefs only spent ONE draft choice to acquire a QB, not two.

So far, they've pretty much sucked a dick to further the cause of more dick suckage.

[milkman]

They spent a pick on a QB. That's all that matters.

The additional pick was for the trade.

You're spinning.

No matter how you spin it, two picks were spent on Alex Smith.

[DaneMcCloud]

So far, they've pretty much sucked a dick to further the cause of more dick suckage.

I'm more than happy to defer to your knowledge of that subject.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I'm more than happy to defer to your knowledge on that subject.

LMAO

[FlaChief58]

At least you have named yourself approprately.

No way in hell that Dick's teams could legitimately compete for SBs with that sorry sack of shit defense.



This, with an average D, that team could have won it all

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Andy is here to win a Championship. He would say the same thing in that if he doesn't win one, he failed.

[Frazod]

This, with an average D, that team could have won it all

With merely a bad D, that team would have won at least one Super Bowl. Unfortunately, it was beyond bad - it was an abomination. I'll never forgive Vermeil for that.

And even then, if they'd played anybody in the playoffs but the Colts in the 2003 playoffs, they would have had an excellent shot. Just sucks that we ran into the one team that could match us score for score.

[AdumbGuy]

At least you have named yourself approprately.

No way in hell that Dick's teams could legitimately compete for SBs with that sorry sack of shit defense.

I named myself that to help me figure out who the cleverest of the clever folks with the bestest, most creativest insults were.

Our sad sack defense lost to what, the 2nd best offense in the league in the Colts? 13-3 that year, 10-6 the next and only a quirk kept us out of the playoffs? We absolutely were contenders, even with that mediocre defense. More to the point, we had refined a potent offensive system that we never should have throttled considering the current offense friendly state of the NFL.

[DaneMcCloud]

You're spinning.

No matter how you spin it, two picks were spent on Alex Smith.

One pick was spent on a QB and one pick was spent trading for said QB.

:D

[Extra Point]

Reid is a players' coach, and is a good judge of talent; he makes do with what he has, and doesn't have a problem getting talent when it's needed. Dorsey and Hunt are wanting results, and all are on the same page: Butts in seats. You get butts in seats here, from winning.

[HemiEd]

You consider that success? :banghead:

My standards are pretty low for this team since they have done neither since most of our military men have been born.

[OnTheWarpath15]

No shit.

Jesus Christ, people. You're aware that every other team in the league is paid to beat you as well, yes?

A success? Make the playoffs more years than you don't and be a legitimate threat to do some damage when you're there over the next 3-5 years.

I'm not going to say "no playoff wins = shit" because frankly, the NFL has more lucky bounces and fluke plays that determine seasons than any other sport out there. Marty Schottenhiemers entire time in KC is viewed differently if not for a phantom offensive PI call and a missed kick. That's it. And those 2 events have also made Chiefs fans largely insane.

Sure, winning a SB is the ultimate goal and duh - doing so makes the Reid era a success. But if the Chiefs are steadily in a position to compete for one, actually compete for one (not that 2010 smoke and mirrors shit), I don't see how you can't call this a successful era.

Reid took over a shitty franchise, fellas. It's time to realize that and accept it. This team is a joke in NFL circles. While we're circling games against the Jags and Cardinals as must-wins, everyone else is circling KC. There is one big !@#$ing hill for Andy Reid to climb and it's time we have reasonable expectations of when we'll be willing to give him credit for doing a fine job of it.

I agree with this, but most of the rest of the board certainly does not.

Guys want to have it both ways - "this team is the most talented in the division, 3rd most talented in AFC" etc. - yet people are saying that a SINGLE playoff win in the 5-10 years he'll likely be here is "success"?

I don't give a fuck what happened in the past, because it can't be changed.

But they've made "win-now" moves, so I expect them to win right fucking now. Playoffs in 2013. A win or two in 2014. And at least a SB appearance or win by the time Andy leaves KC.

The rest of you (not you, DJ) can talk out of both sides of your mouth and enjoy mediocrity, I'm going to demand better.

[OnTheWarpath15]

I'm sorry but I disagree.

There have been many very good coaches that have produced contending teams, year after year, that never won a Super Bowl.

Guys like Chuck Knox, John Robinson, Dan Reeves, John Fox, Jeff Fisher, Marv Levy and on and on and on.

If a coach is consistently fielding a team that has a very good chance at appearing in a Super Bowl, I don't know how that can be considered anything but a success.

People have said that a single playoff win in the 5-10 years AR will likely be here is considered success.

A single playoff win in 5-10 years does not equal a team that has a "very good chance" at appearing in a Super Bowl.

[DaneMcCloud]

People have said that a single playoff win in the 5-10 years AR will likely be here is considered success.

A single playoff win in 5-10 years does not equal a team that has a "very good chance" at appearing in a Super Bowl.

I don't think Andy Reid will be the Chiefs coach for ten years if he doesn't consistently win in the playoffs. I'm not even sure if he'd be the Chiefs coach after his contract expires in five years if he only has a single playoff win.

I think that Clark Hunt is willing to give coaches and GM's five years tops and if his level of expectations aren't met, he's on to another regime.

[keg in kc]

I don't think Andy Reid will be the Chiefs coach for ten years if he doesn't consistently win in the playoffs. I'm not even sure if he'd be the Chiefs coach after his contract expires in five years if he only has a single playoff win.Which would be why I would consider that a C- coaching tenure.

[BossChief]

So, the Chiefs winning percentage isn't .314 over the course of the past 15 years? The Chiefs did win a playoff game in the past 20?

Do you even realize that you're expecting that arguably the worst team in entire NFL over the past 15 years to win a Super Bowl in the next five?

LMAO



:shake:
These guys are inheriting 6 probowlers and a slew of young talent across the board.

Why shouldn't we expect them to be in a superbowl within the next 5 years?

What superbowl team coaches took longer than that to get to the superbowl?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Which would be why I would consider that a C- coaching tenure.

Exactly.

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[DaneMcCloud]

Which would be why I would consider that a C- coaching tenure.

And yet he'd be one of only three head coaches to win a playoff game for the Chiefs in 50+ years.

[DTLB58]

So what will make you happy with the Reid hire?

Why should it be anything less than a SB WIN?

[RunKC]

3 things

1. Finding a franchise QB, whether it's Alex or a guy who isn't here yet.
2. Build the front 7 to an elite level.
3. Drafting well every year so that the team has depth and talent.

[DaneMcCloud]

These guys are inheriting 6 probowlers and a slew of young talent across the board.

Why shouldn't we expect them to be in a superbowl within the next 5 years?

Well, number one is that we have yet to see this team perform on the field. Why would anyone expect a Super Bowl appearance without seeing the product itself?

I think there's enough talent and coaching on this squad to realistically predict a playoff win in the next few years. But Super Bowls require an incredible amount of luck, not only from your team, but from the misfortune of others.

A consistent contender is more realistic, IMO, than being a lock for a Super Bowl.

What superbowl team coaches took longer than that to get to the superbowl?

I have absolutely no idea.

[Ming the Merciless]

Why should it be anything less than a SB WIN?

Well , the simple answer to this is that there are varying levels of happiness.

If we just won a playoff game...I'd be happy.

If we made it to the superbowl, thats a higher level of happiness

If we got a ring, obviously that is much , much higher level of orgasm.

If we were dynasty talk and multiple deep playoff runs, with at least 2 rings...then to me thats the highest I could dream of.

So I mean I would personally be happy with a playoff win out of this hire, because its better than anyt5hing we have had in 20 years.

[BossChief]

I'd be thrilled if this team makes it to the AFC Championship...I wouldn't call winning a wildcard game as a success unless it happens this year.

[Buehler445]

I agree with this, but most of the rest of the board certainly does not.

Guys want to have it both ways - "this team is the most talented in the division, 3rd most talented in AFC" etc. - yet people are saying that a SINGLE playoff win in the 5-10 years he'll likely be here is "success"?

I don't give a fuck what happened in the past, because it can't be changed.

But they've made "win-now" moves, so I expect them to win right fucking now. Playoffs in 2013. A win or two in 2014. And at least a SB appearance or win by the time Andy leaves KC.

The rest of you (not you, DJ) can talk out of both sides of your mouth and enjoy mediocrity, I'm going to demand better.

Hey damn it. I said SB in 3.

People have said that a single playoff win in the 5-10 years AR will likely be here is considered success.

A single playoff win in 5-10 years does not equal a team that has a "very good chance" at appearing in a Super Bowl.

Not this fucking guy.

Why should it be anything less than a SB WIN?

Read post 3.

Well, number one is that we have yet to see this team perform on the field. Why would anyone expect a Super Bowl appearance without seeing the product itself?

I think there's enough talent and coaching on this squad to realistically predict a playoff win in the next few years. But Super Bowls require an incredible amount of luck, not only from your team, but from the misfortune of others.

A consistent contender is more realistic, IMO, than being a lock for a Super Bowl.



I have absolutely no idea.

That's not the question. The question is what will make the Reid regime a success?

[DaneMcCloud]

That's not the question. The question is what will make the Reid regime a success?

Crafting this team into a consistent playoff winner.

If the Chiefs are in the playoffs every year or nearly every year (like the good teams are), it dramatically increases their chances of a Super Bowl appearance.

[SAUTO]

And yet he'd be one of only three head coaches to win a playoff game for the Chiefs in 50+ years.

So? That alone makes it a success?

Who cares about the past. The future is all that matters.
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[Hog's Gone Fishin]

[QUOTE=DaneMcCloud;9832003]Well, number one is that we have yet to see this team perform on the field. Why would anyone expect a Super Bowl appearance without seeing the product itself?

I think there's enough talent and coaching on this squad to realistically predict a playoff win in the next few years. But Super Bowls require an incredible amount of luck, not only from your team, but from the misfortune of others.

A consistent contender is more realistic, IMO, than being a lock for a Super Bowl.



I agree with this , actually I think Cassel ,Crennel and Pioli being replaced with Reid ,Smith and Dorsey gives this team a chance this year to make a playoff run. In 2014 we will have a LOT of players in their prime that are probowl level players and we should really make some noise for the foreseeable future. Windows don't close if you know how to draft and Dorsey / Reid have a good history for that.

I get excited every year at this time but I have a little gut feeling this may be the transition year that will bring us back to having a fun team to watch.

[O.city]

Consistently put the Chiefs in a position to be a series contender for a SB championship. Obviously, SB is the main goal.

But like has been said in this thread, we're potentially the worst organization not only in the NFL, but in professional sports the last half decade or so.

If he can get them into a position where they're beating good teams, winning playoff games, and competing for championships, it's a success.

[DaneMcCloud]

So? That alone makes it a success?

Who cares about the past. The future is all that matters.
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It illustrates the incompetence of this franchise that only two head coaches have won playoff games in 50 years.

[SAUTO]

It illustrates the incompetence of this franchise that only two head coaches have won playoff games in 50 years.

I understand that Dane.

But better than bad doesn't equal good...or success in this case
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[O.city]

I think there are or should be viewed as different levels of success. I like Milkmans take that it could potentially be viewed as neither, but I think it's more than that.

If we win a SB on his watch? Ultimate success

We are SB contenders but (as Chiefs fans would know) get our hearts ripped out a few times by just getting beat by a team that was better? Successful.

They win a playoff game or two (Wildcard)? Yeah, unsuccessful.

[DaneMcCloud]

I understand that Dane.

But better than bad doesn't equal good...or success in this case
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If Andy Reid wins a single playoff game in the next five years, he'll have done what only two other coaches have been able to accomplish in 50 years. I think that's significant.

But even more to the point, look at a guy like Mike Smith in Atlanta. I don't think there's anyone that would argue the Chiefs have better personnel or coaching yet in the past five years, the Falcons have won exactly one playoff game.

One.

So all of this bluster of "Super Bowl or Bust" is just slightly off the mark.

[MotherfuckerJones]

It illustrates the incompetence of this franchise that only two head coaches have won playoff games in 50 years.

Jesus fucking :facepalm: christ that's depressing. :deevee::deevee::deevee::banghead:

[J Diddy]

The ultimate qualifier is if I quit hearing one dipshit say lil chiefy.

That'd be like winning the lottery.

[Sorter]

Productive QB play.

Also, I was looking at the Bengals roster and if Reid decides to get a stable of pass rushers like this, then that might help.

Michael Johnson, Dunlap, Gillberry, Hunt, Atkins, Still, Harrison.

So far we've got Tamba and Houston.

[O.city]

If Andy Reid wins a single playoff game in the next five years, he'll have done what only two other coaches have been able to accomplish in 50 years. I think that's significant.

But even more to the point, look at a guy like Mike Smith in Atlanta. I don't think there's anyone that would argue the Chiefs have better personnel or coaching yet in the past five years, the Falcons have won exactly one playoff game.

One.

So all of this bluster of "Super Bowl or Bust" is just slightly off the mark.

Like you said, I think it's significant for the Chiefs franchise, but more because of how shitty we've actually been.

I don't think you view 1 playoff win in 5 years necessarily a success in that it also goes the other way, especially when you think that a Tim Tebow led team won a playoff game.

[DaneMcCloud]

I think there are or should be viewed as different levels of success. I like Milkmans take that it could potentially be viewed as neither, but I think it's more than that.

If we win a SB on his watch? Ultimate success

We are SB contenders but (as Chiefs fans would know) get our hearts ripped out a few times by just getting beat by a team that was better? Successful.

They win a playoff game or two (Wildcard)? Yeah, unsuccessful.

A playoff win would be significant. Multiple playoff wins would be more significant.

This team has had a winning percentage of .314 over the last 15 seasons.

In what world would multiple playoff victories be viewed as unsuccessful?

[O.city]

Productive QB play.

Also, I was looking at the Bengals roster and if Reid decides to get a stable of pass rushers like this, then that might help.

Michael Johnson, Dunlap, Gillberry, Hunt, Atkins, Still, Harrison.

So far we've got Tamba and Houston.

With the deal Dunlap got, theres talk that Johnson is likely gone next year, would he fit here?

[RunKC]

Productive QB play.

Also, I was looking at the Bengals roster and if Reid decides to get a stable of pass rushers like this, then that might help.

Michael Johnson, Dunlap, Gillberry, Hunt, Atkins, Still, Harrison.

So far we've got Tamba and Houston.

I hope Catapano and Poe exceed expectations this year.

[O.city]

A playoff win would be significant. Multiple playoff wins would be more significant.

This team has had a winning percentage of .314 over the last 15 seasons.

In what world would multiple playoff victories be viewed as unsuccessful?

As bad as it's sucked, the past doesn't really matter at this point does it?

Like I said in regards to Tebow, if they win a WC game like that, being a team that's obviously a fraud and never really build towards anything significant, I don't think it's a success.


It's not really black and white though, so it's tough to judge.

[kysirsoze]

Franchise QB, Superbowl. In no particular order, although one is much more likely than the other.

[kysirsoze]

A playoff win would be significant. Multiple playoff wins would be more significant.

This team has had a winning percentage of .314 over the last 15 seasons.

In what world would multiple playoff victories be viewed as unsuccessful?

Buffalo, Philly, etc.

[Sorter]

With the deal Dunlap got, theres talk that Johnson is likely gone next year, would he fit here?

Haven't really watched him play much. It'd be a new transition for him to a 3-4 iirc.

[O.city]

Honestly, after the past 7 years, I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't call it a success if he just made it exciting and tolerable to watch.


And thats extremely sad.

[SAUTO]

Marty was successful here. But there will always be that "we never won it all" attached to him.

So those years weren't a total success.


A super bowl win and there isn't anything to point out negative.
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[kysirsoze]

Honestly, after the past 7 years, I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't call it a success if he just made it exciting and tolerable to watch.


And thats extremely sad.

That will make it not a failure. To me there is middle ground between failure and success. Success is winning a championship, particularly if it is done in a repeatable way like getting a franchise QB.

[RunKC]

I think Reid is going to do all that he can in the next couple of years to get more pass rushers on this team.

My dream would be Jared Allen coming here in FA next year, but that probably won't happen.

[DaneMcCloud]

Buffalo, Philly, etc.

Buffalo hasn't been to the playoffs since 1999.

I'm pretty certain their fans would enjoy multiple playoff wins.

[O.city]

I don't think Allen fits in the 34, at all.


IF things work out with Smith, it's time next year to start looking early in the draft for a pass rusher early, in the mold of Aldon Smithish type guy.

[SAUTO]

That will make it not a failure. To me there is middle ground between failure and success. Success is winning a championship, particularly if it is done in a repeatable way like getting a franchise QB.

You just said it better than I did. Thanks
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[O.city]

It's weird how things go.

If you asked this question right after Marty left, if it was successful, it would have probably been mixed.

If you ask it now, it was successful.

Things have just been so shitty here for so long, it's hard to really determine right now.

[DaneMcCloud]

It's weird how things go.

If you asked this question right after Marty left, if it was successful, it would have probably been mixed.

If you ask it now, it was successful.

Things have just been so shitty here for so long, it's hard to really determine right now.

Marty reengergized the fan base, put Kansas City and Arrowhead stadium on the map. He won plenty of big games and unfortunately, left town too soon.

But there's no way, then or now, that his tenure could be construed as unsuccessful.

[SAUTO]

It's weird how things go.

If you asked this question right after Marty left, if it was successful, it would have probably been mixed.

If you ask it now, it was successful.

Things have just been so shitty here for so long, it's hard to really determine right now.
it wasn't totally successful though.

they always failed in the end...
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[Easy 6]

legit playoff winning caliber team ... can actually win games in the playoffs not just make it

I'm on the record with this.

[O.city]

Because of what they were when he was here, and never could win the big one, emotionally I think at the time alot of people wouldn't necessarily say it was unsuccessful, just not a great success.


I think to get to said ultimate level of success, you have to have a Lombardi in there.

[milkman]

Marty reengergized the fan base, put Kansas City and Arrowhead stadium on the map. He won plenty of big games and unfortunately, left town too soon.

But there's no way, then or now, that his tenure could be construed as unsuccessful.

After 10 years with no SB, Marty's tenure, while not ultimate failure, was ultimately unsuccessful.

[DeezNutz]

I just don't agree that Marty left town too soon. Monday Night Meltdown essentially sealed his fate, and appropriately so.

[Fat Elvis]

What will make the Reid regime a success? Reading CP and deciding to go into the stands and cunt punting Wendler and Lil Chiefy/Sweet Dipshit Hate on the megatron.

[DaneMcCloud]

I just don't agree that Marty left town too soon. Monday Night Meltdown essentially sealed his fate, and appropriately so.

But that's just silly. One losing season in ten is an appropiate reason to leave town?

Considering the franchise's dismal record since, I'd say his departure was unwarranted and premature.

[SAUTO]

It wasn't the losing season. He had lost control
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[DeezNutz]

But that's just silly. One losing season in ten is a reason to leave town?

Considering the franchise's dismal record since, I'd say his departure was unwarranted and premature.

It wasn't just a losing season, it was a total and complete embarrassment because of his loss of control. Marty was never going to assemble a better team than he had in '97 or '95, and he proved that he just wasn't going to get it done.

The problem is that Carl needed to be replaced along with Marty. They had a good run together, but both lived out their utility.

Andy Reid, like so many coaches, is going to be defined by his choice in QBs. Alex Smith can be the starting point, but Reid must acquire a franchise QB, or he'll be yet another one of KC's dismal failures.

[DaneMcCloud]

After 10 years with no SB, Marty's tenure, while not ultimate failure, was ultimately unsuccessful.

While the Chiefs failed to win a Super Bowl during his tenure, there are very few people that don't think of his time in KC fondly.

[DaneMcCloud]

It wasn't just a losing season, it was a total and complete embarrassment because of his loss of control.

If Marty didn't have any success following the 1998 season, I'd tend to agree. But since he coached up some decent San Diego teams, I' tend to believe his time in KC was prematurely cut short.

[SAUTO]

If Marty didn't have any success following the 1998 season, I'd tend to agree. But since he coached up some decent San Diego teams, I' tend to believe his time in KC was prematurely cut short.

Different players. Once you lose control its almost impossible to get it back.
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[DaneMcCloud]

It wasn't the losing season. He had lost control
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I don't buy that at all.

After that Monday game, the Chiefs lost to the Chargers by one, beat the Cards, lost in Denver by four, beat the Cowboys, lost to the Giants and beat the Raiders in Oakland,

Had he truly lost control, the Chiefs would have been winless or close to winless.

That was not the case.

[SAUTO]

We are going to have to agree to disagree here buddy
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[keg in kc]

While the Chiefs failed to win a Super Bowl during his tenure, there are very few people that don't think of his time in KC fondly.Especially the teams that were fortunate enough to play them in the postseason.

[DeezNutz]

If Marty didn't have any success following the 1998 season, I'd tend to agree. But since he coached up some decent San Diego teams, I' tend to believe his time in KC was prematurely cut short.

Was he ever going to bring in a legit QB? His most successful years in SD coincided with Brees and Rivers (the latter had a pretty solid rookie season in '06 when the Chargers won the division and lost on the freak fumble in the playoffs).

[milkman]

While the Chiefs failed to win a Super Bowl during his tenure, there are very few people that don't think of his time in KC fondly.

There were a lot of good years and moments, so I understand the fond memories.

But the bottom line still remains that he was ultimately unsuccessful in achieving the goal.

[DaneMcCloud]

Was he ever going to bring in a legit QB? His most successful years in SD coincided with Brees and Rivers (the latter had a pretty solid rookie season in '06 when the Chargers won the division and lost on the freak fumble in the playoffs).

That's a question that will never be answered.

[DeezNutz]

That's a question that will never be answered.

With Carl, I'm pretty confident we know the answer. He's on record as saying that he preferred to bring in vets rather than gamble on rookies.

Loser philosophy, which we unfortunately have to deal with a bit longer.

[DaneMcCloud]

With Carl, I'm pretty confident we know the answer. He's on record as saying that he preferred to bring in vets rather than gamble on rookies.

Loser philosophy, which we unfortunately have to deal with a bit longer.

Considering they chose Trent Green over Drew Brees, I'm sure you're right.

[MahiMike]

10 wins a year for 10 years

[O.city]

Knowing how good those Marty teams actually were, the fact they couldn't get over the hump and win the whole thing was a letdown.

But, I dont' think anyone would argue that if we get back to the point where seasons like THAT are letdowns, we'll all be pretty happy.

[DaneMcCloud]

Knowing how good those Marty teams actually were, the fact they couldn't get over the hump and win the whole thing was a letdown.

But, I dont' think anyone would argue that if we get back to the point where seasons like THAT are letdowns, we'll all be pretty happy.

That's pretty much where I'm at with the Chiefs. Put a competent playoff contender on the field each and every year and I'll be thrilled.

My ideal Chiefs team has changed from being a "Super Bowl or Bust" season to a "Just put a fucking competent team on the field on Sunday" season.

Now that I have a family with young children, they're my focus. I just don't want to feel like I've wasted three hours a week watching a shit hole team when I could have been out to breakfast or lunch with my family.

[O.city]

That's pretty much where I'm at with the Chiefs. Put a competent playoff contender on the field each and every year and I'll be thrilled.

My ideal Chiefs team has changed from being a "Super Bowl or Bust" season to a "Just put a ****ing competent team on the field on Sunday" season.

Now that I have a family with young children, they're my focus. I just don't want to feel like I've wasted three hours a week watching a shit hole team when I could have been out to breakfast or lunch with my family.

Thats what the last decade will do to you. Knowing that we literally had no chance to ever do any damage in the playoffs or hell, even beat good teams, just sucked.

I think I'll eventually get back to SB or bust, especially if they do start winning, but yeah, right now, just watching a game on Sunday thats competent would be enjoyable.

And to be honest, being such a SB or bust kid in the 90's and growing up with that type of Chiefs football being all I knew, just sucked the life out of me for a while.

It's weird how my sports "life" has become. Being a STL Cardinals fan, I'm pretty much where I was with the Chiefs in the 90's every year, plus they actually for the most part come through and actually WIN the big games and do things the right way. I'm pissed when they lose. Hell, they won a WS in 2011 and I was furious as hell and consider last year to be "unsuccessful" and they were a game away from BACK to BACK WS appearances.

But with the Chiefs? Yeah, just don't suck shit and I'll probably watch.

[Predarat]

In 10 seasons, Marty made the ALC Championship a grand total of 1 time. Outside of that run with Montana, he only won one other Playoff game in those 10 years. Though I do appreciate the hell out of what he did, and most of those regular seasons were awesome, he came up short, way short when it mattered the most. And that happened in his previous job in Cleveland and followed him on to San Diego.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

It illustrates the incompetence of this franchise that only two head coaches have won playoff games in 50 years.

The ultimate qualifier is if I quit hearing one dipshit say lil chiefy.

That'd be like winning the lottery.

And yet, the LIL' CHIEFY'S(yeaaaahhh, there it was), keep repeating the same fucking "recepie for success".

(That's what you call a "two for one", you shifty Negroes)

[DaneMcCloud]

And yet, the LIL' CHIEFY'S(yeaaaahhh, there it was), keep repeating the same fucking "recepie for success".

(That's what you call a "two for one", you shifty Negroes)

I honestly believe that you speak a language that only you can understand.

[O.city]

It's mostly due to the fact that he constantly has drool coming out both sides of his mouth, it's tough to enunciate.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I honestly believe that you speak a language that only you can understand.

I do kind of live in my own awesome little world, yes.

[O.city]

I do kind of live in my own awesome little world, yes.

You do, but if you enjoy it, who gives a shit right?


Live life bro.

[DeezNutz]

What the fuck is Lil' Chiefy?

[SAGA45]

Strippers with poles on the sideline instead of cheerleaders. Get 'er done Clark....

[SAUTO]

What the fuck is Lil' Chiefy?

I haven't figured it out either
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[DeezNutz]

I haven't figured it out either
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I see him reference it frequently, and I see posters blast him for it, but the context for the usage is never clear to me.

Obviously, such confusion contributes to the blasting, but still...

[SAUTO]

Well lil' chiefy then buddy
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[SAUTO]

Lil' chiefy off
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[milkman]

What the **** is Lil' Chiefy?

It's his own little dumbas name for true fan.

[SAUTO]

Am I using it right?

Lil' Chiefy to you
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[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I honestly believe that you speak a language that only you can understand.

You do, but if you enjoy it, who gives a shit right?


Live life bro.

And I do. The prolonged suckage of the Chiefs has shifted not only my personal relationship/dynamic with the team and fans, but also the dynamic of this board over the last few years. Saul Good is correct to say that I "am what this board has become". The Chiefs have given many of the older posters that used to discuss legitimate football no reasons to continue doing so. And the FACT that they continue repeating the same formula does not inspire any reason for legitimate hope that I can see.
Why waste time expending valuable brain-power on this team, when the forthcoming results are all but already written?
I could end up being wrong about Reid/Smith, but I highly doubt it.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

What the fuck is Lil' Chiefy?

Son of a Tru Fan. The fathers of Lil Chief are front and center in our famous gif.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

What the fuck is Lil' Chiefy?

"Lil' Chiefy" is the next and natural evolution of the true fan. The true fan stands by KC regardless of how every shitty season plays out, and generally believes that only through a massive running game and trench superiority can the Chiefs be a winner. The QB is seen as more of a necessary evil than the most important position on the team.

Lil' Chiefy KNOWS that the QB is the most important position on the team, and that the Chiefs will never do jack-shit until they get a legitimate franchise QB. However, due to many years of following the team, discussing it's many shortcomings, and being ill at ease with most moves the franchise makes, Lil' Chiefy can STILL somehow convince himself that trading for Smith "really was the only option available", throw on the rose-colored glasses, and force himself to ignore what can only be described as practicing insanity.

Hope that helps.

[Rasputin]

It's his own little dumbas name for true fan.

"Lil' Chiefy" is the next and natural evolution of the true fan. The true fan stands by KC regardless of how every shitty season plays out, and generally believes that only through a massive running game and trench superiority can the Chiefs be a winner. The QB is seen as more of a necessary evil than the most important position on the team.

Lil' Chiefy KNOWS that the QB is the most important position on the team, and that the Chiefs will never do jack-shit until they get a legitimate franchise QB. However, due to many years of following the team, discussing it's many shortcomings, and being ill at ease with most moves the franchise makes, Lil' Chiefy can STILL somehow convince himself that trading for Smith "really was the only option available", throw on the rose-colored glasses, and force himself to ignore what can only be described as practicing insanity.

Hope that helps.



I liked the way milkman worded it better for explanation. Thanks milkman.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

I liked the way milkman worded it better for explanation. Thanks milkman.

See? Expending valuable brain-power is just a waste of time here. Thank you.

[bigjosh]

"Lil' Chiefy" is the next and natural evolution of the true fan. The true fan stands by KC regardless of how every shitty season plays out, and generally believes that only through a massive running game and trench superiority can the Chiefs be a winner. The QB is seen as more of a necessary evil than the most important position on the team.

Lil' Chiefy KNOWS that the QB is the most important position on the team, and that the Chiefs will never do jack-shit until they get a legitimate franchise QB. However, due to many years of following the team, discussing it's many shortcomings, and being ill at ease with most moves the franchise makes, Lil' Chiefy can STILL somehow convince himself that trading for Smith "really was the only option available", throw on the rose-colored glasses, and force himself to ignore what can only be described as practicing insanity.

Hope that helps.

Or its just some assholes gay catch phrase that he is trying to get other people to use. its not working by the way.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Or its just some assholes gay catch phrase that he is trying to get other people to use. its not working by the way.

I don't care if anyone uses it or not. I love it, and will continue to use it at every appropriate juncture. If butts are hurt along the way, oh well.

[Hammock Parties]

I like it.

[Sorter]

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[AdumbGuy]

There were a lot of good years and moments, so I understand the fond memories.

But the bottom line still remains that he was ultimately unsuccessful in achieving the goal.

I think this statement gets to the heart of it. Some are happy with the forging of fond memories and some need the quantifiable championship for validation.

Because really, how many of us AREN'T building a machine that will take over the world if and only if the chiefs win the superbowl?

[007]

And if Andy Reid wins in the playoffs, makes an AFC Championship appearance and never wins a Super Bowl, he'll still be considered a success to the overwhelming majority of fans.

Super Bowls are nice but in addition to great ownership, front office, coaching and personnel, there is absolutely a certain amount of luck involved.

There are failures and there are successful failures. You are referring to the successful failures. :D

Oh, and Marv Levy is probably THE MOST successful failure in NFL history.

[teedubya]

I think that Andy Reid will get us to a couple 2-3 AFC Championship games and one Superbowl appearance that we lose.

[DaneMcCloud]

There are failures and there are successful failures. You are referring to the successful failures. :D

Oh, and Marv Levy is probably THE MOST successful failure in NFL history.

Aren't Marv and Bud Grant tied for most Super Bowl losses?

[007]

Aren't Marv and Bud Grant tied for most Super Bowl losses?

Did Bud Grant have 4 in a row though?

ONe thing is certain, I want to see the Chiefs in the superbowl ASAP. I would kill to have been there 4 years in a row even if we lost them.

[DaneMcCloud]

Did Bud Grant have 4 in a row though?

I don't think so but if he went to four Super Bowls non-consecutively without a win, that's almost more of a bummer than Marv.

Now I have to Google. :D

1969, 1973, 1974 and 1976.

He won the Grey Cup in 1958, 1959, 1961 and 1962.

I guess that Marc Trestman is due for a Super Bowl appearance soon.

[007]

I don't think so but if he went to four Super Bowls non-consecutively without a win, that's almost more of a bummer than Marv.

Now I have to Google. :D

1969, 1973, 1974 and 1976.

He won the Grey Cup in 1958, 1959, 1961 and 1962.

I guess that Marc Trestman is due for a Super Bowl appearance soon.

Definitely more successful than Marv then. Also not a failure. heh

[AussieChiefsFan]

This season? Probably making winning 10 games, winning or narrowly losing in the first round of playoffs. Now, I say narrowly because yes we've made it to the playoffs, but became quickly apparent that we weren't going any further.

In the long run a Super Bowl win would be great, to say the least.

[DaneMcCloud]

Definitely more successful than Marv then. Also not a failure. heh

I think Marv won a few Grey Cups, too.

Yeah, two: 1974 and 1977.

Lamar Hunt always said his biggest regret was firing Marv.

[007]

I think Marv won a few Grey Cups, too.

Yeah, two: 1974 and 1977.

Lamar Hunt always said his biggest regret was firing Marv.

hindsight always sucks

[DaneMcCloud]

hindsight always sucks

Especially when it's Marv and Bill Polian

[007]

Especially when it's Marv and Bill Polian

still don't think I would have wanted Polian for GM this year had the Chiefs gone that direction.

[bevischief]

This year at least 8 wins.

[Chief Roundup]

To me our record would need to be around an average of 10 wins a season, drafting and developing our own QB, and at least a couple of playoff victories.

[Abba-Dabba]

Super Bowl win. Everything else a Reid regime has done. My measure of success is to exceed what you have done in the past. Not match it.