Alex Smiths accuracy wowing fans

[Rausch]

Perhaps, but the odds makers in Vegas disagree.

You understand how odds work in Vegas, right?...

[Jakemall]

How do the Bronco's have the easiest SOS in the NFL after losing in the play-offs?

[beach tribe]

he still has durability issues no matter how good he looks

his shoulders made of glass and his head is one more concussion away from some serious career evaluations

I can just see it now if he starts having a great year

"Enjoy it while it lasts. He's going to get knocked out the next game"

What a sad jaded man(?) you are.

[New World Order]

Im not a homer stupid. Im not like you. You, think Kaep can do NO WRONG.

I like Alex Smith, you think that Kaep is God. You need to learn the difference between being a fan, and a HOMER. You are a HOMER. You worship at the Schlong of Kaep. I am just merely an attendee of Alex Smiths motivational Speeches.

Learn the difference dude.

Homers For Kaepernick. This is the Gay CLUB you started. What number member are you mister number ONE?

Do I have an Alex Smith homer club? No, I do not. Kaep said you could get off his dick?


Your username was Alex Smith Fan, homer.

[DaneMcCloud]

Your username was Alex Smith Fan, homer.

I guess I'm mistaken: I thought this was a Chiefs forum.

:rolleyes:

[New World Order]

Counting down the days until we see that first beautiful 40 yard drive followed up by a 46 yard field goal.

[Ace Gunner]

If you have been watching the player interviews like I have on KCchiefs.com the thing that makes me excited is how EVERY player interviewed is excited and seems to be Having fun now. Yes, it's their job to say the right things but you can really sense the feeling that they FEEL that they are going to have a great team this year. It's a whole different attitude from the Herm,Pioli,Crennel eras.

yep and the core of the team has matured too

[BossChief]

How do the Bronco's have the easiest SOS in the NFL after losing in the play-offs?

Our whole division has "easy schedules".

[Jakemall]

Our whole division has "easy schedules".

I get it...and I understand that it is also a function of rotation. But a play-off team shouldn't have an easier schedule than the team that was ranked last in the NFL.

[beach tribe]

How do the Bronco's have the easiest SOS in the NFL after losing in the play-offs?

Because they play a team that was 2 and14 twice this season.

[DaneMcCloud]

Because they play a team that was 2 and14 twice this season.

As I mentioned in another thread, they open against Baltimore and face Giants in NY, the Patriots in New England, the Texans in Texas and the Colts in Indy. They also have the Cowboys in Texas.

Anyone who looks at that and thinks 7-0 is delusional.

[Fat Elvis]

How do the Bronco's have the easiest SOS in the NFL after losing in the play-offs?

When your divisional opponents have a combined record of 13-35 and you play each of those teams twice.....

[Mav]

Your username was Alex Smith Fan, homer.

not sure what your point is. It didn't say Alex Smith HOMER.

It said fan. Yes, I am a fan of Alex Smith. Unlike the 49er Kaepernick troll/cock gobbler/Homer, I recognize Alex Smiths limitations, and liabilities. I also know that hes not the most talented qb in Chiefs camp right now, needless to say the division.

Please explain how that in any way shape or form makes me a homer.

If anything, since I started following Tyler Bray on Facebook the day he committed to Tennesee, im much more of a TYLER BRAY HOMER, than an Alex Smith homer.

Now. Back into your hole, and only come back when you come with actual information....

Okay dick lick?

[Mav]

As I mentioned in another thread, they open against Baltimore and face Giants in NY, the Patriots in New England, the Texans in Texas and the Colts in Indy. They also have the Cowboys in Texas.

Anyone who looks at that and thinks 7-0 is delusional.

When Baltimore smashes them in Denver, the entire world will fall apart. OH NOOOOZ HOW DID THIS HAPPEN WE HAVE WELKER!!!!

[Jakemall]

When your divisional opponents have a combined record of 13-35 and you play each of those teams twice.....

Because they play a team that was 2 and14 twice this season.

Again, I get it. I understand the procedures for determining the schedule. My commentary was to point out that the system is somewhat broken.

[beach tribe]

not sure what your point is. It didn't say Alex Smith HOMER.

It said fan. Yes, I am a fan of Alex Smith. Unlike the 49er Kaepernick troll/cock gobbler/Homer, I recognize Alex Smiths limitations, and liabilities. I also know that hes not the most talented qb in Chiefs camp right now, needless to say the division.

Please explain how that in any way shape or form makes me a homer.

If anything, since I started following Tyler Bray on Facebook the day he committed to Tennesee, im much more of a TYLER BRAY HOMER, than an Alex Smith homer.

Now. Back into your hole, and only come back when you come with actual information....

Okay dick lick?

Keep feeding him.
Great idea.
Its a mult with no other intention than giggling while trying to piss people off.

[Mav]

Keep feeding him.
Great idea.
Its a mult with no other intention than giggling while trying to piss people off.

was not aware, thanks for the info.

[Mav]

Again, I get it. I understand the procedures for determining the schedule. My commentary was to point out that the system is somewhat broken.

Lol, well the AFC is pretty much broken right now.

Saw on NFL network yesterday, they think that Houston is the Elite team in the AFC. I could see the Texans not even making the playoffs. And easily not winning their division.

They also think the Steelers are going to be a playoff team. I see them finishing last in their division. There is a lot of holes in the AFC....

[beach tribe]

Again, I get it. I understand the procedures for determining the schedule. My commentary was to point out that the system is somewhat broken.

Dude, the only reason it looks like that is because we play a 14 And 2 team twice......them.
and they play a 2 and 14 team twice.......us.
The numbers are skewed because of it
Their schedule is actually harder than ours.

[Mav]

Dude, the only reason it looks like that is because we play a 14 And 2 team twice......them.
and they play a 2 and 14 team twice.......us.
The numbers are skewed because of it
Their schedule is actually harder than ours.

By far.

[Jakemall]

By far.

Certainly the chiefs are a tougher team than the SOS indicates...but then they get it on the other end with the Ravens who will not be the team they were last season.

[Mav]

Certainly the chiefs are a tougher team than the SOS indicates...but then they get it on the other end with the Ravens who will not be the team they were last season.

The ravens are still better than the donkeys. They can run the ball, and the Ravens are still good enough defensively, to destroy Wes Welker, which they have done for years. Especially with Webb being back......They are going to bury the Broncos behind Ray Rice and Vonta Leach......

[Jakemall]

The ravens are still better than the donkeys. They can run the ball, and the Ravens are still good enough defensively, to destroy Wes Welker, which they have done for years. Especially with Webb being back......They are going to bury the Broncos behind Ray Rice and Vonta Leach......

I dunno. I wouldn't be surprised to see them make the play-offs as a wild card..or miss it altogether. I know most people don't agree with me on it...but I think their offense has just become one demensional again (I don't think Falco earn his contract without Boldin).

[Mav]

I dunno. I wouldn't be surprised to see them make the play-offs as a wild card..or miss it altogether. I know most people don't agree with me on it...but I think their offense has just become one demensional again (I don't think Falco earn his contract without Boldin).

I don't expect them to win their division. The bengals in just about every facet are better than them. Its all going to depend on Dalton.

The AFC north is so competitive, that a key injury here or there could really destroy any one of those teams.

I believe that the Broncos are far overrated. They are beloved because they got Wes Welker, but their defense is older, they lost dummerville, cut joe mays, and their secondary is suck city and Champ Bailey is 10000 years old. I have no idea how they are going to stop anyone. Especially if Von Miller misses the first four games, and when he comes back, you just double him, and then what do you have to worry about?

NOTHING.

[Jakemall]

I don't expect them to win their division. The bengals in just about every facet are better than them. Its all going to depend on Dalton.

The AFC north is so competitive, that a key injury here or there could really destroy any one of those teams.

I believe that the Broncos are far overrated. They are beloved because they got Wes Welker, but their defense is older, they lost dummerville, cut joe mays, and their secondary is suck city and Champ Bailey is 10000 years old. I have no idea how they are going to stop anyone. Especially if Von Miller misses the first four games, and when he comes back, you just double him, and then what do you have to worry about?

NOTHING.

Actually, it's those first 4 games without Miller that make me think that the Chiefs have a shot at winning the division. I still can't believe they lost Dummerville.

[Baby Lee]

I dunno. I wouldn't be surprised to see them make the play-offs as a wild card..or miss it altogether. I know most people don't agree with me on it...but I think their offense has just become one demensional again (I don't think Falco earn his contract without Boldin).

http://imagesci.com/img/2013/06/amadeus-17864-hd-wallpapers.jpg

[RealSNR]

http://imagesci.com/img/2013/06/amadeus-17864-hd-wallpapers.jpg

Are you saying the Ravens with Flacco are like Amadeus in that it was a wildly successful thing that earned the top prize for its kind, and it was done by guys like F. Murray Abraham (or Joe Flacco) who are one-and-done performers?

Hell, didn't Tom Hulce win best supporting? Or was he just in the running along with Abraham for best actor?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Let's unite the board in donco and faid hate whilst abolishing any and all Lil Chiefy in the process

You had me until this.

[milkman]

how can you tell someone to shut the **** up as a counter argument to Smith being injury prone.

newsflash: hes injury prone and should be the biggest concern. He is one hit away from having any chance of a winning season go down the toilet. His shoulder is flimsy and his skull is mashed potatoes. He cant take another hit to either and get by.

The fact that he takes a lot of hits/sacks is why you should be concerned with the injuries. He likes holding the ball cause he doesnt want to give up the interception, but the double edged sword is hes giving up is body and prone to getting hurt in the process.

You cant argue these two facts about him. These are the only knocks against him and they are big ones, whether you love him or hate him that's our QB.

I dislike the trade for Smith, but I think too much is made of the shoulder by others that dislike the trade to justify their position.
He injured the shoulder, came back too soon and re-injured it before it had fully healed from the the original injury.

After fully healing, there has been no further issue.

[Ming the Merciless]

By far.

No it isn't

There are only 2 games that we do not have in common

that isn't 'by far'

14 of the 16 opponents are the same

[milkman]

As for the concussions and sacks, those legitimate concerns.

However, those concerns should be alleviated to some extent by Reid's offensive philosophy, which is predicated on getting the ball out quickly.

I would not be the least bit surprisexd to see Smith play the full 16 game schedule, and to see him exceed all of his previous season numbers in yards and TTs.

My concern is that he is not a guy that can lead his team to a SB.

At some point the QB has to make plays againsr superior defenseszin the playoffs,and I don't see a guy with the confidence to make those plays in Alex Smith, and at the end of the day, that confidence is what separates Alex Smith from the Eli Mannings and Joe Flaccos of the world.

I just don't believe you give up 2 high draft picks, whether it's a 2 and a 3 or 2 2nds, for that guy.

[Jakemall]

There's some argument to the injury bug with Alex. Now is that a function of the number of hits he takes? Dunno. 2012 he was injured twice. Everyone knows the concussion that lead to his replacement, but he also injured his throwing hand against the bills. The following two games he played badly...Giants and Seattle. When he said it healed, it was against AZ and he went 18 for 19 in that game.

Personally, I don't think it's THAT big of a deal...but I can't deny it could be a concern.

[Ace Gunner]

meh, this offense should be able to keep AS upright. it's designed for a lot of movement with QB rollouts and quick passing. the OL is mobile as hell too, so this should be a good match.

If he can't stay healthy all season here, then ya -- he's injury prone.

[Skyy God]

Are you saying the Ravens with Flacco are like Amadeus in that it was a wildly successful thing that earned the top prize for its kind, and it was done by guys like F. Murray Abraham (or Joe Flacco) who are one-and-done performers?

Hell, didn't Tom Hulce win best supporting? Or was he just in the running along with Abraham for best actor?

Or the song Amadeus was from Falco....

[Ace Gunner]

Are you saying the Ravens with Flacco are like Amadeus in that it was a wildly successful thing that earned the top prize for its kind, and it was done by guys like F. Murray Abraham (or Joe Flacco) who are one-and-done performers?

Hell, didn't Tom Hulce win best supporting? Or was he just in the running along with Abraham for best actor?

I don't know what he means, but Hulce was nominated and lost best actor to Abraham.

[Ace Gunner]

Or the song Amadeus was from Falco....

:clap: nice .. forgot about that

[Mav]

No it isn't

There are only 2 games that we do not have in common

that isn't 'by far'

14 of the 16 opponents are the same

When you factor in the difference in the games. One being they play the ravens, you play the browns, and the other being you play the Bills, and they play the Patriots, that's two games they can lose, and that's two games you SHOULD win, then you factor in that the Chiefs should be much better than they were last year, while it appears the Raiders, and Chargers are worse, that further separates the schedule.

Its not close....It could be the difference in the division...... A huge part of the Broncos weak schedule is playing twice against the Chiefs. We both know, that the Chiefs are clearly the second best team in the Afc west. Which actually makes the Broncos schedule tougher.....

Stop it. You are being naughty.

[MagicHef]

I don't expect them to win their division. The bengals in just about every facet are better than them. Its all going to depend on Dalton.

The AFC north is so competitive, that a key injury here or there could really destroy any one of those teams.

I believe that the Broncos are far overrated. They are beloved because they got Wes Welker, but their defense is older, they lost dummerville, cut joe mays, and their secondary is suck city and Champ Bailey is 10000 years old. I have no idea how they are going to stop anyone. Especially if Von Miller misses the first four games, and when he comes back, you just double him, and then what do you have to worry about?

NOTHING.

Joe Mays? Losing the guy that got benched after 4 games is why our defense will be bad this year?

Also, older? There are 2 starters over 27 on Denver's defense.

[Mav]

Joe Mays? Losing the guy that got benched after 4 games is why our defense will be bad this year?

Also, older? There are 2 starters over 27 on Denver's defense.

You also don't have Dj Williams.

your secondary is BAD, and your best player in your secondary is OLD, and other than Von Miller, NO BODY is impressive on your defense, and hes going to miss the first four games of the season.......


bad defense, is bad.......

[Rausch]

No it isn't

There are only 2 games that we do not have in common

that isn't 'by far'

14 of the 16 opponents are the same

The Broncos have to play the Broncos twice this year?...

[ptlyon]

The Broncos have to play the Broncos twice this year?...

New league rule

[T-Town]

Pencil it in as a W

[BigCatDaddy]

New league rule

Fucking Goodell.

[MagicHef]

You also don't have Dj Williams.

your secondary is BAD, and your best player in your secondary is OLD, and other than Von Miller, NO BODY is impressive on your defense, and hes going to miss the first four games of the season.......


bad defense, is bad.......

Oh, DJ Williams, the guy who started one game last season?

Just because you don't recognize their names doesn't mean they're not good players.

[9er guy]

My eyes would be a little wider if Chase Daniel and Ricky Stanzi weren't getting slurped as well.

[9er guy]

Oh, DJ Williams, the guy who started one game last season?

Just because you don't recognize their names doesn't mean they're not good players.

But he does make a good point. It would seem the cupboard is bare on Defense. Obviously guys could step up.

But just looking at it, I don't think Denver's defense scares anyone.

[beach tribe]

No it isn't

There are only 2 games that we do not have in common

that isn't 'by far'

14 of the 16 opponents are the same

As it should be. I like the system.
Division opponents should have to play the same teams, save a cpl.
I think its perfect.

[Halfcan]

This thread is running low on Alex hate- maybe the Haters are running out of steam?

[beach tribe]

This thread is running low on Alex hate- maybe the Haters are running out of steam?

Geno porn on the next tab over.

[ptlyon]

This thread is running low on Alex hate- maybe the Haters are running out of steam?

Maverick posts enough as it is

[Halfcan]

Maverick posts enough as it is

If Alex stinks it up this friday- all the haters will be back.

[MagicHef]

But he does make a good point. It would seem the cupboard is bare on Defense. Obviously guys could step up.

But just looking at it, I don't think Denver's defense scares anyone.

Does Chris Harris scare you? You probably don't even recognize the name.

Wesley Woodyard?

The Broncos were #2 in the league in rush YPC, and I guarantee you that had very little to do with Dumervil.

[ChiefMojo]

I know who those two are and they are quality players.

[houstonwhodat]

I doubt he's accurate on Friday.

[ptlyon]

If Alex stinks it up this friday- all the haters will be back.

Don't worry, we haven't left :D

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Don't worry, we haven't left :D

Just waiting for the inevitable...

[Mav]

I doubt he's accurate on Friday.

Yes, Alex has clearly shown that he is intimidated by your defense.

And clearly, the worst passing defense in the history of the league is truly scaring him because you have Rob Ryan as your DC now. Terrified.....

[Halfcan]

Yes, Alex has clearly shown that he is intimidated by your defense.

And clearly, the worst passing defense in the history of the league is truly scaring him because you have Rob Ryan as your DC now. Terrified.....

ROFL

[DaneMcCloud]

Don't worry, we haven't left :D

Too bad you and your merry band of buttfucks can't be quarantined or put on global ignore.

[Halfcan]

Too bad you and your merry band of butt****s can't be quarantined or put on global ignore.

ROFL

Yep it is going to be a LONG season with all the crying over drafting Fish, pssing away a 2nd rounder and how terrible Alex is-lol

[BigMeatballDave]

ROFL

Yep it is going to be a LONG season with all the crying over drafting Fish, pssing away a 2nd rounder and how terrible Alex is-lol

If the Chiefs play well, you won't see much from them.

If the Chiefs are playoff caliber, they'll be begging for a spot on the bandwagon.

[houstonwhodat]

Yes, Alex has clearly shown that he is intimidated by your defense.

And clearly, the worst passing defense in the history of the league is truly scaring him because you have Rob Ryan as your DC now. Terrified.....

Bounties in full effect on Friday.

They're going after his knees to take him out for the season.

[The Franchise]

Bounties in full effect on Friday.

They're going after his knees to take him out for the season.

It'd be hilarious if Drew Brees got injured this week.....just because you're a douchebag.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Long a stubbornly pass-obsessed coach, Andy Reid is bringing the same approach that led to his Philly demise to Kansas City, with Alex Smith as the point man. I'm not sure how this will end, but my gut tells me badly. A below-average talent whose arm strength limitations regularly result in a maddening unwillingness to pull the trigger on throws most NFL passers routinely make, Smith's lone pro success has come in run-dominated offenses with elite defenses that create favorable down and distance while "hiding" the quarterback by keeping him out of shootouts. Under Reid, shootouts will be the goal. Smith was a role player in San Francisco, but in Kansas City Reid will try turning him into a gunslinger. ... The fantasy beneficiary ought to be Jamaal Charles, whose probable inconsistent run-game usage can be buoyed by a career high in receptions. Smith is a checkdown machine, and dynamic Charles projects as a target magnet. ... The effect on Dwayne Bowe is debatable. While team pass attempts will rise, keep in mind Smith had a terribly limiting effect on Michael Crabtree before Colin Kaepernick took over. Under Reid, will Smith develop the guts to take tight-window chances throwing to Bowe? I'm hopeful, but this is a time-will-tell thing.

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/43833/125/afc-team-by-team-camp-notes?pg=2

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Long a stubbornly pass-obsessed coach, Andy Reid is bringing the same approach that led to his Philly demise to Kansas City, with Alex Smith as the point man. I'm not sure how this will end, but my gut tells me badly. A below-average talent whose arm strength limitations regularly result in a maddening unwillingness to pull the trigger on throws most NFL passers routinely make, Smith's lone pro success has come in run-dominated offenses with elite defenses that create favorable down and distance while "hiding" the quarterback by keeping him out of shootouts. Under Reid, shootouts will be the goal. Smith was a role player in San Francisco, but in Kansas City Reid will try turning him into a gunslinger. ... The fantasy beneficiary ought to be Jamaal Charles, whose probable inconsistent run-game usage can be buoyed by a career high in receptions. Smith is a checkdown machine, and dynamic Charles projects as a target magnet. ... The effect on Dwayne Bowe is debatable. While team pass attempts will rise, keep in mind Smith had a terribly limiting effect on Michael Crabtree before Colin Kaepernick took over. Under Reid, will Smith develop the guts to take tight-window chances throwing to Bowe? I'm hopeful, but this is a time-will-tell thing.

Oooh, that's gotta' hurt.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Oooh, that's gotta' hurt.

Lol Silva hates him some Alex Smith. Sorry forgot the link.

[BigMeatballDave]

That's the same shit we've seen spewed around here for 6 months.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

Get some new material, guys.

[O.city]

That's the same shit we've seen spewed around here for 6 months.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

Get some new material, guys.

Is it wrong?


What are they supposed to talk about, the season hasn't even started yet

[ChiefsCountry]

Long a stubbornly pass-obsessed coach, Andy Reid is bringing the same approach that led to his Philly demise to Kansas City, with Alex Smith as the point man. I'm not sure how this will end, but my gut tells me badly. A below-average talent whose arm strength limitations regularly result in a maddening unwillingness to pull the trigger on throws most NFL passers routinely make, Smith's lone pro success has come in run-dominated offenses with elite defenses that create favorable down and distance while "hiding" the quarterback by keeping him out of shootouts. Under Reid, shootouts will be the goal. Smith was a role player in San Francisco, but in Kansas City Reid will try turning him into a gunslinger. ... The fantasy beneficiary ought to be Jamaal Charles, whose probable inconsistent run-game usage can be buoyed by a career high in receptions. Smith is a checkdown machine, and dynamic Charles projects as a target magnet. ... The effect on Dwayne Bowe is debatable. While team pass attempts will rise, keep in mind Smith had a terribly limiting effect on Michael Crabtree before Colin Kaepernick took over. Under Reid, will Smith develop the guts to take tight-window chances throwing to Bowe? I'm hopeful, but this is a time-will-tell thing.

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/43833/125/afc-team-by-team-camp-notes?pg=2

Been saying that since we made the stupid trade in the first place. Alex Smith passing is a disaster waiting to happen.

[BigMeatballDave]

Is it wrong?


What are they supposed to talk about, the season hasn't even started yet

Didn't say it was wrong or right.

It's redundant.

[ThatRaceCardGuy]

Bounties in full effect on Friday.

They're going after his knees to take him out for the season.

You're an idiot.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Been saying that since we made the stupid trade in the first place. Alex Smith passing is a disaster waiting to happen.

You could be wrong ! Check this out !

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=275091&page=19

[DaneMcCloud]

Bounties in full effect on Friday.

They're going after his knees to take him out for the season.

Too bad they can't take you with him

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Bounties in full effect on Friday.

They're going after his knees to take him out for the season.


ROFL

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Too bad they can't take you with him

No No Dane, This guy has cheerleader pic's.

[ptlyon]

That's the same shit we've seen spewed around here for 6 months.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

Get some new material, guys.

We've only seen the franchise do the same for 30 years, so...

[DaneMcCloud]

We've only seen the franchise do the same for 30 years, so...

No team has ever won the Super Bowl with a QB they didn't draft

[ChiefRocka]

No team has ever won the Super Bowl with a QB they didn't draft

We drafted Bray, oh wait.

[ptlyon]

No team has ever won the Super Bowl with a QB they didn't draft

We sure as fuck haven't now have we

[Jakemall]

Bounties in full effect on Friday.

They're going after his knees to take him out for the season.

http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/49ers-haven-t-forgotten-Saints-blitz-exhibition-2452593.php


They've tried before.

[Fat Elvis]

No team has ever won the Super Bowl with a QB they didn't draft

We sure as **** haven't now have we

:facepalm:

[Jakemall]

No team has ever won the Super Bowl with a QB they didn't draft

Please explain Warner. Pretty sure he was undrafted.

Jim Plunkett also comes to mind.

I had to look this one up: Doug Williams. Drafted by the bucs and won with the skins.

[Fat Elvis]

Please explain Warner. Pretty sure he was undrafted.

Your sarcasm meter is broken.

[DaneMcCloud]

We sure as fuck haven't now have we

You're right: The Chiefs drafted Len Dawson

[Jakemall]

nm

[DaneMcCloud]

Please explain Warner. Pretty sure he was undrafted.

Jim Plunkett also comes to mind.

I had to look this one up: Doug Williams. Drafted by the bucs and won with the skins.

Are you new?

[Jakemall]

Your sarcasm meter is broken.

my bad.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Please explain Warner. Pretty sure he was undrafted.

Jim Plunkett also comes to mind.

I had to look this one up: Doug Williams. Drafted by the bucs and won with the skins.

Man, I need to give this some thought but if thats all you got then Dane has a meaningful statement. Not true , but it sends a message.

[Jakemall]

Man, I need to give this some thought but if thats all you got then Dane has a meaningful statement.

Farve and Steve Young too...

But I need to learn to read.

[DaneMcCloud]

Farve and Steve Young too...

But I need to learn to read.

Dude, it was a joke. Contrary to the False Narrative that's been perpetuated by a select few over the past ten months, there is more than one way to acquire a Super Bowl winning QB.

[Jakemall]

Dude, it was a joke. Contrary to the False Narrative that's been perpetuated by a select few over the past ten months, there is more than one way to acquire a Super Bowl winning QB.

I get it...that's why I said I need to learn to read. I skipped the context and took you serious.

[Chris Meck]

Please explain Warner. Pretty sure he was undrafted.

Jim Plunkett also comes to mind.

I had to look this one up: Doug Williams. Drafted by the bucs and won with the skins.

In reverse order:
Drew Brees, Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Kurt Warner, Steve Young, technically, John Elway-but I won't count him, Brett Favre, Steve Young, Doug Williams, Joe Theismann, Jim Plunkett, our own Lenny Dawson, and Johnny Unitas.

All won at least one SB, not with the team that drafted them. This does not include all of Unitas' titles before the Super Bowl era.

Hey, facts is facts.

[Thig Lyfe]

This thread is running low on Alex hate- maybe the Haters are running out of steam?

Alex Smith sucks.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Farve and Steve Young too...

But I need to learn to read.


ROFL

[|Zach|]

Looking forward to seeing him in the real games. Optimistic.

[BigMeatballDave]

Alex Smith sucks.

Irony

[ptlyon]

The Chiefs haven't been to the SB in 40 years, haven't drafted a high QB in 30, or won a playoff game in 20.

Hey, facts is facts.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

The Chiefs haven't been to the SB in 40 years, haven't drafted a high QB in 30, or won a playoff game in 20.

Hey, facts is facts.

And the fact is we're SB bound this year !:D

[-King-]

Long a stubbornly pass-obsessed coach, Andy Reid is bringing the same approach that led to his Philly demise to Kansas City It led to his demise? They had one bad offensive season. They were 8th in points and 4th in yards in 2011.

Under Reid, shootouts will be the goal.
That...makes no sense.


Smith was a role player in San Francisco, but in Kansas City Reid will try turning him into a gunslinger.
No he won't.


http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/43833/125/afc-team-by-team-camp-notes?pg=2[/QUOTE]

This was a stupid "article".

[RealSNR]

Dude, it was a joke. Contrary to the False Narrative that's been perpetuated by a select few over the past ten months, there is more than one way to acquire a Super Bowl winning QB.

There is absolutely more than one way, you're right.

We've just been choosing the methods over the past 30 years shown by history to be the least effective

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Can't WAIT to watch me some new and improved CASSEL 2010 II!

(Cassel 2010 II; brought to you in full by dumbasses who are willing to accept 8-8 as a successful season)

[DaneMcCloud]

The Chiefs haven't been to the SB in 40 years, haven't drafted a high QB in 30, or won a playoff game in 20.

Hey, facts is facts.

The last time the Chiefs won a playoff game, they traded for a SF QB that season.

http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/qb

Outside of the obvious (Marino, Favre, Rodgers, Flacco, Brees, Brady and Kaepernick), why don't you tell us all which QB's the Chiefs should have drafted in the first round since 1983.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

The last time the Chiefs won a playoff game, they traded for a SF QB that season.

http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/qb

Outside of the obvious (Marino, Favre, Rodgers, Flacco, Brees, Brady and Kaepernick), why don't you tell us all which QB's the Chiefs should have drafted in the first round since 1983.

Oooh! Matt Blundin in the 3rd! I'M GETTING SO HARD KANSAS CITY!

[DaneMcCloud]

There is absolutely more than one way, you're right.

We've just been choosing the methods over the past 30 years shown by history to be the least effective

http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/qb

There is a metric fuck ton of fail in that list.

Acquiring a first round Super Bowl winning QB has required more luck than actual scouting and development over the past 30+ years.

[MTG#10]

WooWoo

[keg in kc]

http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/qb

There is a metric **** ton of fail in that list.

Acquiring a first round Super Bowl winning QB has required more luck than actual scouting and development over the past 30+ years.We've done so well acquiring a Super Bowl winning QB through other means over the past 30+ years, I can see why we haven't tried.

[Rausch]

The last time the Chiefs won a playoff game, they traded for a SF QB that season.

http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/qb

Outside of the obvious (Marino, Favre, Rodgers, Flacco, Brees, Brady and Kaepernick), why don't you tell us all which QB's the Chiefs should have drafted in the first round since 1983.

The problem is our ownership is risk averse.

Other teams have identified who they like, trade up for them at great cost, and take that risk.

Even in a strong QB year we aren't willing to do that...

[DaneMcCloud]

We've done so well acquiring a Super Bowl winning QB through other means over the past 30+ years, I can see why we haven't tried.

Go through that list and tell me who the Chiefs should have drafted, outside of the obvious.

Montana was capable of winning a Super Bowl. Grbac was capable of winning a Super Bowl. Gannon was capable of winning a Super Bowl. Green was capable of winning a Super Bowl.

You may not agree with their methods but the reason why the Chiefs haven't won a Super Bowl isn't due to those acquisitions.

[Halfcan]

Can't WAIT to watch me some new and improved CASSEL 2010 II!

(Cassel 2010 II; brought to you in full by dumbasses who are willing to accept 8-8 as a successful season)

ROFL You are like a bad rash- you get dogged off the Training camp thread for your dumb post but yet you pop up here with the same lame hate. Why are you even on a Chiefs site if you hate them so much?

[Rausch]

Go through that list and tell me who the Chiefs should have drafted, outside of the obvious.

Montana was capable of winning a Super Bowl. Grbac was capable of winning a Super Bowl. Gannon was capable of winning a Super Bowl. Green was capable of winning a Super Bowl.

You may not agree with their methods but the reason why the Chiefs haven't won a Super Bowl isn't due to those acquisitions.

I'll call you on the Grbac thing but other than that I'd have to agree.

The problem was age. The window with all of those players was small and we wasted it...

[DaneMcCloud]

I'll call you on the Grbac thing but other than that I'd have to agree.

The problem was age. The window with all of those players was small and we wasted it...

Grbac had the arm strength and accuracy to be a Super Bowl QB. Had the unfortunate injury during the 1997 season not occurred, the Chiefs fortunes may have been very different that season.

Matt Cassel has been the only shitty QB acquisition, yet because of that, every QB is veiwed in an unfavorable light, regardless of whether or not that's warranted.

[keg in kc]

Go through that list and tell me who the Chiefs should have drafted, outside of the obvious.

Montana was capable of winning a Super Bowl. Grbac was capable of winning a Super Bowl. Gannon was capable of winning a Super Bowl. Green was capable of winning a Super Bowl.

You may not agree with their methods but the reason why the Chiefs haven't won a Super Bowl isn't due to those acquisitions.You're introducing a sliding scale that weakens your own argument. Don't get what I mean? Go through your list and instead of Superbowl winning first rounders, list the ones "capable of winning a Superbowl."

In any case, you're thinking way too hard about this. You cite the possibility of failure as a reason not to try. As counterpoint, I'm merely citing the reality of failure as a reason to consider trying.

[DaneMcCloud]

You're introducing a sliding scale that weakens your own argument. Don't get what I mean? Go through your list and instead of Superbowl winning first rounders, list the ones "capable of winning a Superbowl."

In any case, you're thinking way too hard about this. You cite the possibility of failure as a reason not to try. As counterpoint, I'm merely citing the reality of failure as a reason to consider trying.

And I believe that "trying", just to "try", is absurd.

If the best option to win is by acquiring a proven QB, do it.

[milkman]

Go through that list and tell me who the Chiefs should have drafted, outside of the obvious.

Montana was capable of winning a Super Bowl. Grbac was capable of winning a Super Bowl. Gannon was capable of winning a Super Bowl. Green was capable of winning a Super Bowl.

You may not agree with their methods but the reason why the Chiefs haven't won a Super Bowl isn't due to those acquisitions.

The problem, from my perspective, isn't the QBs were aquired, but who those QBs have been.

If we trade for someone, I would rather it be a young guy with potential.

Other than Grbac, we've gone after the "proven" vets.
But other than Montana, what those vets actually proven?

And even with Montana, history tells us that winning a SB at the age of 34 or older is rare.

Bringing in these vets limits your window.

History tells us that even if Smith takes a step up into the next leveln he has roughly a 4 year window.

[keg in kc]

And I believe that "trying", just to "try", is absurd.

If the best option to win is by acquiring a proven QB, do it.The best option is drafting. Period. Because, aside from the extreme rarity of a Drew Brees situation, it's the only way to acquire a healthy franchise quarterback in his prime.

It's best because it's a long-term solution. It's best because it's the most economical solution. It's best because it's by far the most favorable PR solution. The only downside is inherent in the risk.

And therein lies the problem: this franchise (or should I say this ownership) is so petrified of failing with a rookie that they always go the veteran route. And to date it hasn't worked a single time in the last 30 years. They haven't even made a Superbowl, much less won one.

Basically this franchise has been debilitated for 30 years because they have a defeatist attitude when it comes to the most important position in all of sports.

So let's say they make the horrific decision of drafting the wrong quarterback in the first round a few times in all that time - what exactly changes? Is not winning championships with veteran quarterbacks somehow better than not winning championships with rookies or developing players? Would we lose all those amazing playoff victories in the last 20 years?

[Rausch]

Matt Cassel has been the only shitty QB acquisition, yet because of that, every QB is veiwed in an unfavorable light, regardless of whether or not that's warranted.

Disagree.

Bono was not good. Huard and Croyle not good. Ca$$hole not good.

[BigMeatballDave]

Disagree.

Bono was not good. Huard and Croyle not good. Ca$$hole not good.

Bono and Huard weren't acquired to be starters.

[Rausch]

If the best option to win is by acquiring a proven QB, do it.

Proven QB's aren't available. Only under extreme circumstances (Montana/Favre/Payed-a-ton) are they at all and usually only once they're beyond their prime...

[Hammock Parties]

Bono and Huard weren't acquired to be starters.

The decision to go with them as starters was dumb as hell....

[Rausch]

Bono and Huard weren't acquired to be starters.

The team made the decision to start them instead of doing something else.

And yes, the plan was to have Bono start after Montana.





(Oh, and I forgot Fumble-King-Kreig...)

[keg in kc]

Disagree.

Bono was not good. Huard and Croyle not good. Ca$$hole not good.The only championship caliber quarterbacks have been Montana and Green. The rest were just guys. You can win championships with guys, but you'll never win one because of one. And yes, I do put Green in that category despite never winning a playoff game. I think he was that good here from '02-'05.

The funniest part of this argument is that it shouldn't be an either-or discussion. The problem isn't really that the Chiefs keep getting a veteran as much as it's that they never pair that veteran with a rookie. We've never had a Rodgers waiting in the wings. Green would have been the perfect QB to groom someone behind.

The only hope we have is that Bray is that guy, and they acquired him despite themselves. Because they've never shown any willingness to draft one.

[the Talking Can]

And I believe that "trying", just to "try", is absurd.

If the best option to win is by acquiring a proven QB, do it.

to win what? a game? 7 games?

because the best way to win a superbowl is to draft QBs and keep drafting QBs, the higher round the better...and there is no argument about it

you're not even actually offering an argument, you're just pointing out that is theoretically possible that at some point in 300 years we could win a superbowl with someone else's backup/scrub

but the probability of such an outcome versus drafting a 1st (or hey! even a second!) round QB is known...we don't have to speculate

you're really just recycling the 'it's risky' nonsense you used to be above peddling...i seriously think you've had an aneurism in the last few months

[Messier]

The only championship caliber quarterbacks have been Montana and Green. The rest were just guys. You can win championships with guys, but you'll never win one because of one. And yes, I do put Green in that category despite never winning a playoff game. I think he was that good here from '02-'05.

The funniest part of this argument is that it shouldn't be an either-or discussion. The problem isn't really that the Chiefs keep getting a veteran as much as it's that they never pair that veteran with a rookie. We've never had a Rodgers waiting in the wings. Green would have been the perfect QB to groom someone behind.

The only hope we have is that Bray is that guy, and they acquired him despite themselves. Because they've never shown any willingness to draft one.

They never have shown a willingness to draft a QB in all the 5 months they've been here. Sorry, but you make it sound like some sort of recurring problem this regime has had with drafting QBs. They had to work to get Bray. I remember there were several teams going after him after the draft. They even reported he had signed with, the Dolphins I believe. It's not fair to act like he fell in their laps.

[Rausch]

The only championship caliber quarterbacks have been Montana and Green. The rest were just guys.

Yup.

[keg in kc]

They never have shown a willingness to draft a QB in all the 5 months they've been here. Sorry, but you make it sound like some sort of recurring problem this regime has had with drafting QBs. They had to work to get Bray. I remember there were several teams going after him after the draft. They even reported he had signed with, the Dolphins I believe. It's not fair to act like he fell in their laps.Until this regime demonstrates that they're different, I'm not going to believe that they are. Because I believe it's something that has more to do with ownership than front office.

I don't care if you think that's "fair" or not.

[Jakemall]

The problem, from my perspective, isn't the QBs were aquired, but who those QBs have been.

If we trade for someone, I would rather it be a young guy with potential.

Other than Grbac, we've gone after the "proven" vets.
But other than Montana, what those vets actually proven?

And even with Montana, history tells us that winning a SB at the age of 34 or older is rare.

Bringing in these vets limits your window.

History tells us that even if Smith takes a step up into the next leveln he has roughly a 4 year window.

He just turned 29... He's closer to a 6 year window...assuming that 34 is a magic number.

[Messier]

Until this regime demonstrates that they're different, I'm not going to believe that they are. Because I believe it's something that has more to do with ownership than front office.

I don't care if you think that's "fair" or not.

What do you mean acquired Bray despite themselves?

[Rausch]

They never have shown a willingness to draft a QB in all the 5 months they've been here. Sorry, but you make it sound like some sort of recurring problem this regime has had with drafting QBs.

It is.

It's not about 5 months. I haven't been following this team for 5 months - I've been following them since 89.

Not only has almost every single QB in that time been a b/u we got from somewhere else but you also have to factor in complete failure to add one in the draft.

It's not either or. Other than 5 years since 89 we have failed at developing a QB through trade, FA, AND the draft...

[Chiefs Pantalones]

It led to his demise? They had one bad offensive season. They were 8th in points and 4th in yards in 2011.

That...makes no sense.



No he won't.


http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/43833/125/afc-team-by-team-camp-notes?pg=2

This was a stupid "article".[/QUOTE]

Oh I agree. I'm not sold on Smith either but I'm not gonna let that ruin my excitement for the season. It is what it is. He'll either shine or not. I don't blame the ones for their displeasure. I'm just excited to see what we have this year with the team overall. I'm probably so loose because I believe Dorsey/Reid won't attach themselves to Smith's dong like Pioli did with Cassel if it doesn't work out. I just feel better about Dorsey/Reid. We'll see though. Can't wait to get this started.

[keg in kc]

What do you mean acquired Bray despite themselves?Undrafted. Fell in their lap. Zero risk.

And I hope he's great. We're long overdue for some good luck.

[Messier]

It is.

It's not about 5 months. I haven't been following this team for 5 months - I've been following them since 89.

Not only has almost every single QB in that time been a b/u we got from somewhere else but you also have to factor in complete failure to add one in the draft.

It's not either or. Other than 5 years since 89 we have failed at developing a QB through trade, FA, AND the draft...

Ah. Okay. See, you treat each regime as just "The Chiefs", and Reid and Dorsey are just part of a long line of non QB drafting GMs and coaches. I don't agree. With that logic can I blame Dorsey for signing Cassel?

[Messier]

Undrafted. Fell in their lap. Zero risk.

And I hope he's great. We're long overdue for some good luck.

He didn't fall in their lap.

[DaneMcCloud]

Undrafted. Fell in their lap. Zero risk.

And I hope he's great. We're long overdue for some good luck.

Bray had the choice of signing with 31 other teams, so no, he didn't fall into their lap.

Had they taken him with their seventh round pick, I'd agree.

[Messier]

Bray had the choice of signing with 31 other teams, so no, he didn't fall into their lap.

Had they taken him with their seventh round pick, I'd agree.

I think Keg is just setting up an, I don't really give them credit for Bray, defense. I the event he pans out.

[milkman]

He just turned 29... He's closer to a 6 year window...assuming that 34 is a magic number.

I can see math is your calling.

29+4=?

[Messier]

Bray had the choice of signing with 31 other teams, so no, he didn't fall into their lap.

Had they taken him with their seventh round pick, I'd agree.

And I recall several teams were going after him strong.

[Chris Meck]

Ah. Okay. See, you treat each regime as just "The Chiefs", and Reid and Dorsey are just part of a long line of non QB drafting GMs and coaches. I don't agree. With that logic can I blame Dorsey for signing Cassel?

This.
The general attitude that this is exactly the same as Marty/Carl/Bono/Grbac and Pioli/Cassel because we've traded for another team's QB is stupid.

It's not the same because its NOT Bono, it's NOT Cassel, it's NOT Grbac, it's a different human being. These posters have learned the wrong lessons. It shows a lack of cognitive ability.

Will Alex Smith work out? Will he take us to the super bowl? I have no idea. I hope so.

Dorsey and Reid felt he was our best shot this offseason. So does the rest of the league, apparently.

[Rausch]

Ah. Okay. See, you treat each regime as just "The Chiefs", and Reid and Dorsey are just part of a long line of non QB drafting GMs and coaches. I don't agree.

This discussion is had every time we get a new HC.

"Things will be different."

They weren't. During any of the HC hires. We did the exact same thing: sign/trade for some other team's b/u QB.

This is like using a fork to get your toast out and you just keep trying different forks expecting a different result.

It won't happen.

And don't tell me that's a bad example. It's a perfect example.

Odds are we'll both be dead before you get toast or I get a franchise QB...

[Jakemall]

I can see math is your calling.

29+4=?

is 33..not 34 which is the arbitrary number you used. Again he just turned 29. So he's closer to 28 than he is to 30.


Did I miss something?

[Rausch]

This.
The general attitude that this is exactly the same as Marty/Carl/Bono/Grbac and Pioli/Cassel because we've traded for another team's QB is stupid.

It's not the same because its NOT Bono, it's NOT Cassel, it's NOT Grbac, it's a different human being. These posters have learned the wrong lessons. It shows a lack of cognitive ability.

Not really.

We've traded for yet another game manager. That's what he is. He looks like he might be getting really good at it but that's all he is...

[BigCatDaddy]

And I recall several teams were going after him strong.

I think we had to throw some extra cash to get him away from Jacksonville.

[Ace Gunner]

The only championship caliber quarterbacks have been Montana and Green. The rest were just guys. You can win championships with guys, but you'll never win one because of one. And yes, I do put Green in that category despite never winning a playoff game. I think he was that good here from '02-'05.

The funniest part of this argument is that it shouldn't be an either-or discussion. The problem isn't really that the Chiefs keep getting a veteran as much as it's that they never pair that veteran with a rookie. We've never had a Rodgers waiting in the wings. Green would have been the perfect QB to groom someone behind.

The only hope we have is that Bray is that guy, and they acquired him despite themselves. Because they've never shown any willingness to draft one.

Trint Green never won a playoff game. how do you see him as "championship caliber quarterback" ???

Alex Smith went further in the playoffs than Green and he did it facing Drew Brees. Smith won that game, whereas Green was pedestrian, maybe even subpar against Manning.

yet few folks are willing to say Smith could actually become a champ.

[the Talking Can]

not drafting a QB is dumb, no matter who does it


the probabilities are not dependent on who is making the decision...the coin doesn't care who is flipping it

[Hammock Parties]

Trint Green never won a playoff game. how do you see him as "championship caliber quarterback" ???


The guy basically played a perfect playoff game in 2003.

Go back and watch that game...he was almost perfect.

If Priest hadn't fumbled and we hadn't dropped 2 TD passes and missed a FG we win. Because of Trent.

Don't get me started on the defense...

Alex Smith is a nice QB but he doesn't play the game the way Trent did. Trent threw the ball down the field, that's why I CRINGE every time stupid homers try to compare them.

[Jakemall]

The guy basically played a perfect playoff game in 2003.

Go back and watch that game...he was almost perfect.

If Priest hadn't fumbled and we hadn't dropped 2 TD passes and missed a FG we win. Because of Trent.

Don't get me started on the defense...

Alecuses.

[Fat Elvis]

not drafting a QB is dumb, no matter who does it


the probabilities are not dependent on who is making the decision...the coin doesn't care who is flipping it

Drafting a QB to draft a QB no matter how lacking in talent is even more dumb. You can call "heads" all you want; this year's draft coin was tails on both sides.

[Hammock Parties]

It's not the same because its NOT Bono, it's NOT Cassel, it's NOT Grbac, it's a different human being. .

Who has exactly the same flaws in his game...

[Rausch]

Alex Smith went further in the playoffs than Green and he did it facing Drew Brees. Smith won that game, whereas Green was pedestrian against Manning.


Your memory is $3it. Green played great.

Who's fault was the loss on: the offense that never had to punt or the defense that never forced a single punt?...

[Ace Gunner]

Your memory is $3it. Green played great.

Who's fault was the loss on: the offense that never had to punt or the defense that never forced a single punt?...

1 td & 200 yds passing -- ya "great" :D

isn't that the kind of performance you expect from "alex the loser"???

[the Talking Can]

Drafting a QB to draft a QB no matter how lacking in talent is even more dumb. You can call "heads" all you want; this year's draft coin was tails on both sides.

jesus fuck people....this is THE same sorry ass cowardly excuse you pathetic true fans have been pawning off for 3 god damn decades

"no QB is good enough for the 2-14 Chiefs"...waaaaaaaaaaaaaa


Chiefs fans actually believe that nonsense...30 years of failure and it is still too risky

You get the RT you deserve

[Hammock Parties]

We never punted in that game...

The only mistakes made were by:

Holmes - fumble
Boerigter - dropped a TD
Kennison (I think) - dropped a TD
Andersen - missed a FG

Trent did nothing wrong in that game. Converted every third down possible, extended every drive...was fucking nails.

Fuck anyone who says Alex Smith is or will ever be better or more productive than Trent Green.

[Jakemall]

1 td & 200 yds passing -- ya "great" :D

isn't that the kind of performance you expect from "alex the loser"???

You can't suggest that is what Alex was doing anyway.

If Alex had finished his season the same way he played the first half of the year, he would have looked statiscially equal to Drew Brees' last year in SD before he went to New Orleans.

Now I know some fool is going to say that I'm implying that Alex is Drew.

[Hammock Parties]

1 td & 200 yds passing -- ya "great" :D

isn't that the kind of performance you expect from "alex the loser"???

WE NEVER PUNTED.

It's not like Trent made some mistake on third down or missed an open receiver that would have resulted in a score.

We score 45 fucking points if 4 other guys don't fuck up....

[Hammock Parties]

Here is the play by play for that playoff game.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200401110kan.htm

Show me where Trent made a mistake.

[Rausch]

1 td & 200 yds passing -- ya "great" :D

isn't that the kind of performance you expect from "alex the loser"???

Both Manning and Green attempted 30 passes.

Manning completed 2 more.

[Messier]

not drafting a QB is dumb, no matter who does it


the probabilities are not dependent on who is making the decision...the coin doesn't care who is flipping it

Does it matter if it's tails on both sides. (I don't know what that means.)

We're hearing that Barkley will be third string. If Bray has a better more productive career than Barkley, does it matter that Bray wasn't drafted? Won't it still be a cause for patting Reid and Dorsey on the back, and saying good job in getting Bray? Or because he was an UFA, it doesn't count, and we just can't celebrate it because we didn't use a pick on him.

[BigMeatballDave]

Here is the play by play for that playoff game.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200401110kan.htm

Show me where Trent made a mistake.

18-30 for 212 yards isn't great at all.

You will crucify Alex for that.

[Rausch]

18-30 for 212 yards isn't great at all.

You will crucify Alex for that.

That's pretty much his MO. Why would I expect more?...

[milkman]

is 33..not 34 which is the arbitrary number you used. Again he just turned 29. So he's closer to 28 than he is to 30.


Did I miss something?

Ah....I see.
Your problem isn't math.
It's comprehension.

I said that QBs 34 or older.

What you should have taken from that is that window historically closes at the age of 33.

[DaneMcCloud]

jesus fuck people....this is THE same sorry ass cowardly excuse you pathetic true fans have been pawning off for 3 god damn decades

"no QB is good enough for the 2-14 Chiefs"...waaaaaaaaaaaaaa


Chiefs fans actually believe that nonsense...30 years of failure and it is still too risky

You get the RT you deserve

And why don't you tell us who they should have drafted, you mealy-mouthed, whiny piece of shit.

Do it.

[Hammock Parties]

18-30 for 212 yards isn't great at all.

You will crucify Alex for that.

If Alex Smith basically plays a flawless game, as Trent did that day (0 mistakes, show me where I'm wrong), I will give him credit for it.

[Hammock Parties]

Both Manning and Green attempted 30 passes.

Manning completed 2 more.

We had 5 dropped passes that day, pretty sure.

2 of them would have been TDs.

Motherfuck any asshole who shits on Trent for that game.

[BigMeatballDave]

And why don't you tell us who they should have drafted, you mealy-mouthed, whiny piece of shit.

Do it.

They should have reached an entire round for Geno...

[Ace Gunner]

it is funny how you fucks use stats to beat folks down and when you get clobbered by obvious fail stats you make excuses.

imagine if Green had thrown 300 yards in that game. I bet that would have helped. hell his completion % during that game was 60%. like I said, pedestrian.

[Sandy Vagina]

If Alex Smith basically plays a flawless game, as Trent did that day (0 mistakes, show me where I'm wrong), I will give him credit for it.

You're so full of shit. Keep it up.. I think it's hilarious.

( but you're still a tremendous douchebag loser )

[Hammock Parties]

imagine if Green had thrown 300 yards in that game. I bet that would have helped. hell his completion % during that game was 60%. like I said, pedestrian.

Show me a mistake Trent made that day. Look at the play by play.

LOOK AT IT.

0 mistakes from Trent.

[Rausch]

it is funny how you ****s use stats to beat folks down and when you get clobbered by obvious fail stats you make excuses.

imagine if Green had thrown 300 yards in that game. I bet that would have helped. hell his completion % during that game was 60%. like I said, pedestrian.

Sure not serious...

[FlaChief58]

Trint Green never won a playoff game. how do you see him as "championship caliber quarterback" ???

Alex Smith went further in the playoffs than Green and he did it facing Drew Brees. Smith won that game, whereas Green was pedestrian, maybe even subpar against Manning.

yet few folks are willing to say Smith could actually become a champ.

The O led by Green was second only to PM led colts. If the D wasn't historically bad, I still believe they could have won a SB.

[Ace Gunner]

Both Manning and Green attempted 30 passes.

Manning completed 2 more.

math sucks for you i see.

Manning was 4 passes better, had a 73% completion rate and threw for more than 300 yards with 3 TD's :D

[Hammock Parties]

math sucks for you i see.

Manning was 4 passes better, had a 73% completion rate and threw for more than 300 yards with 3 TD's :D

Trent had 5 passes dropped.

Priest fumbled away a probable TD drive.

Mort missed a FG (after a dropped TD pass).

You're just going to ignore that, eh?

[BigMeatballDave]

Trent had 5 passes dropped.

Priest fumbled away a probable TD drive.

Mort missed a FG (after a dropped TD pass).

You're just going to ignore that, eh?

I still fume over that fantom PI call against Gonzalez.

[Hammock Parties]

I still fume over that fantom PI call against Gonzalez.

That drive ended with a dropped TD pass and a missed FG.

Trent's fault...

[Ace Gunner]

just bustin' balls, folks. Trent was a good player, Alex was good during that playoff game. we'll see what he does here starting friday. I just think you need to come to better terms with demands on the QB.

[Sandy Vagina]

Trent had 5 passes dropped.

Priest fumbled away a probable TD drive.

Mort missed a FG (after a dropped TD pass).

You're just going to ignore that, eh?

Trentexcuses... You like a QB and you will make these "excuses" and clsim them to be legitimate reasons. You don't like the QB, and you will make everything all of his fault.

That's just the way it goes with folks like you. Hypocrisy at its finest.

[houstonwhodat]

Is Alex Smith even playing Friday?

If Brees plays it will be one series.

Done

[Hammock Parties]

Trentexcuses... You like a QB and you will make these "excuses" and clsim them to be legitimate reasons. You don't like the QB, and you will make everything all of his fault.

That's just the way it goes with folks like you. Hypocrisy at its finest.

I'm waiting for someone to point out a mistake Trent made in that game.

Let me guess...he should have thrown a 50-yard TD before one of those drives ended with a guy dropping a TD pass?

[Sandy Vagina]

I'm waiting for someone to point out a mistake Trent made in that game.

Let me guess...he should have thrown a 50-yard TD before one of those drives ended with a guy dropping a TD pass?

I am actually NOT disagreeing with you. Seems Trent should not be blamed as much as he is. But you like him... so you see that. Watch what happens when this happens to a QB you don't like. Your stance will dramatically change.

[Sandy Vagina]

... and again. I appreciate the sentiment of positive rep, but please don't add positive rep for me. I think the rep thing is a silly joke, and if anything, prefer the nice red bar over the green.

[Hammock Parties]

I am actually NOT disagreeing with you. Seems Trent should not be blamed as much as he is. But you like him... so you see that. Watch what happens when this happens to a QB you don't like. Your stance will dramatically change.

When the offense doesn't punt...I'm not blaming the QB.

The punter is Alex Smith's best friend.

[FlaChief58]

Is Alex Smith even playing Friday?

If Brees plays it will be one series.

Done

He's supposed to get the 1st, Daniel gets the second, Bray 3rd into the 4th & Stanzi gets the scraps

[keg in kc]

I think Keg is just setting up an, I don't really give them credit for Bray, defense. I the event he pans out.I don't know where you come up with shit like this.

It's really kind of of pathetic, man.

[Sandy Vagina]

When the offense doesn't punt...I'm not blaming the QB.

The punter is Alex Smith's best friend.

... and who calls for a designed 5 yard middle screen to the RB when it is 3rd and 12? Alex? me thinks not.

.. but go ahead. Judge by your precious stats instead of watching the games or understanding the many other variables that exist in football. Makes things amusing and rather fun to read the ignorance.

[keg in kc]

Bray had the choice of signing with 31 other teams, so no, he didn't fall into their lap.

Had they taken him with their seventh round pick, I'd agree.He fell all the way through the draft, so yes, he most certainly did fall into their laps.

All they had to do is offer the right $$$, which is something Clark has shown repeatedly that he has no problem doing. He is not cheap, and I've never said as much.

But it's still a zero risk move. That's my point. They are, historically, terrified of making any draft day move for a QB. They're risk-averse to the point of paralysis. You provided the link to drafthistory earlier, how about you pull out the last 30+ years of drafting for this franchise and see what you get.

And I hope he turns into the biggest lightning-in-a-bottle story since Kurt Warner, because they really did luck out, getting first round physical measurables like his without spending a pick. I still can't believe somebody didn't draft him, and he'll be a real coup if they can resolve whatever it is that's going on between his ears that led the league to drop him out of the draft.

[beach tribe]

I can see math is your calling.

29+4=?

29
30
31
32
33
34

Just sayin....

[Hammock Parties]

... and who calls for a designed 5 yard middle screen to the RB when it is 3rd and 12? Alex? me thinks not.


That sounds like a damn fine "alex smith sucks and we know it" play call.

[DaneMcCloud]

He fell all the way through the draft, so yes, he most certainly did fall into their laps.

Dude, he could have signed with 31 other teams.


But it's still a zero risk move. That's my point. They are, historically, terrified of making any draft day move for a QB. They're risk-averse to the point of paralysis. You provided the link to drafthistory earlier, how about you pull out the last 30+ years of drafting for this franchise and see what you get.

Who cares? They've acquired QB's through free agency and trades. The only acquisition in the past 30 years, other than Blackledge, that could be deemed a massive failure was Matt Cassel.

It doesn't matter how you acquire a QB. It doesn't matter how any player is acquired. All that matters is that the player(s) performs to expectation.

Montana performed. Grbac performed. Gannon performed. Green performed.

Cassel did not.

[milkman]

29
30
31
32
33
34

Just sayin....

Ok, so he doesn't turn 30 until after the season.

But can you dumbasses not fucking read?

34 or older historically don't win SBs.

That means 33 or younger is your window.

[Messier]

I don't know where you come up with shit like this.

It's really kind of of pathetic, man.

From the words you say.

[milkman]

Dude, he could have signed with 31 other teams.



Who cares? They've acquired QB's through free agency and trades. The only acquisition in the past 30 years, other than Blackledge, that could be deemed a massive failure was Matt Cassel.

It doesn't matter how you acquire a QB. It doesn't matter how any player is acquired. All that matters is that the player(s) performs to expectation.

Montana performed. Grbac performed. Gannon performed. Green performed.

Cassel did not.

Who give's a rat's ass if a QB wasn't a "massive" failure.

No SBs.

Failure is failure.

Evefrything else is just bullshit.

[DaneMcCloud]

Who give's a rat's ass if a QB wasn't a "massive" failure.

No SBs.

Failure is failure.

Evefrything else is just bullshit.

Okay

[Messier]

He fell all the way through the draft, so yes, he most certainly did fall into their laps.

All they had to do is offer the right $$$, which is something Clark has shown repeatedly that he has no problem doing. He is not cheap, and I've never said as much.

But it's still a zero risk move. That's my point. They are, historically, terrified of making any draft day move for a QB. They're risk-averse to the point of paralysis. You provided the link to drafthistory earlier, how about you pull out the last 30+ years of drafting for this franchise and see what you get.

And I hope he turns into the biggest lightning-in-a-bottle story since Kurt Warner, because they really did luck out, getting first round physical measurables like his without spending a pick. I still can't believe somebody didn't draft him, and he'll be a real coup if they can resolve whatever it is that's going on between his ears that led the league to drop him out of the draft.

What do that last 30 years of Chiefs drafts have to do with anything? To you think the Hunt family tells every new GM to not take a QB?

[keg in kc]

Dude, he could have signed with 31 other teams.Yes, he fell into the laps of the entire freaking league, and we outbid them.

It's simple, I know you can grasp this: did they spend a draft pick on him? No.Who cares? They've acquired QB's through free agency and trades. The only acquisition in the past 30 years, other than Blackledge, that could be deemed a massive failure was Matt Cassel.

It doesn't matter how you acquire a QB. It doesn't matter how any player is acquired. All that matters is that the player(s) performs to expectation.

Montana performed. Grbac performed. Gannon performed. Green performed.

Cassel did not.Grbac and Gannon are nobodies. The fact that this fanbase continues to be obsessed with either one of them shows us just how pathetic the QB position has been here.

In any case, I am not saying that there's anything wrong with the way Bray was acquired. In fact, I love the way he was acquired. I believe I even used the word "coup" in my last post.

The point that I'm making, because apparently you're completely missing it, is that it's an extension of an established trend with rookie quarterbacks here that reaches back 30 years, and can't at this point be taken as any kind of indication that anything has changed. Everything this offseason indicates to me that this franchise still favors "safe" veteran quarterbacks (quarterbacks who themselves play a risk-averse style of football, but that's another discussion...) over young quarterbacks. And nothing makes me think that they'll be going out of their way to acquire a QBotF anytime soon (hopefully we'll get lucky they won't have to, and Bray can fill that role).

That's where this part of the discussion started - I was chastized for not believing that this front office has changed the team's traditional approach to the quarterback position - and that's where I've kept it.

[Sandy Vagina]

That sounds like a damn fine "alex smith sucks and we know it" play call.

... and so Jim will suck him off to stay a 49er and will pay him the 3rd highest SF salary just to set up a punt?

Yeah.. I think you are off somewhere on this one. :)

[keg in kc]

What do that last 30 years of Chiefs drafts have to do with anything? To you think the Hunt family tells every new GM to not take a QB?No. I don't think that.

I suppose the best way to put that is that I do think ownership sort of guides the direction the franchise goes. I think they have a team philosophy in mind, and I think they hire people who'll fit it. And I think a part of that philosophy is that ownership wants a veteran behind center. I think that's our approach as a team, and that's why I don't expect them to ever spend a high draft pick on a QB. That's why, in fact, I didn't expect them to spend one on the position this year, regardless of the strengths or weaknesses of the draft class.

Hope in time they prove me wrong. But I'll be surprised if they ever do.

[Mav]

That sounds like a damn fine "alex smith sucks and we know it" play call.

ummmmm.

http://sfbayview.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/%E2%80%98The-Grab%E2%80%99-by-49ers-tight-end-Vernon-Davis-on-14-yd-Alex-Smith-pass-over-Saints-strong-safety-Roman-Harper-to-win-playoff-011512-by-Paul-Sakuma1.jpg


Just take a guess at what down this was.......

[Hammock Parties]

... and so Jim will suck him off to stay a 49er and will pay him the 3rd highest SF salary just to set up a punt?

Yeah.. I think you are off somewhere on this one. :)

Huh?

Jim wanted nothing to do with Alex as soon as he had a better option.

You lose this argument.

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

I can recall reading Lamar saying he wanted a "franchise running back" and that is one of the reasons Larry Johnson was drafted. Guess Priest didn't fit the bill. anywho the owner made a request and it was granted.

[Mav]

Huh?

Jim wanted nothing to do with Alex as soon as he had a better option.

You lose this argument.

No. Just no.....Im not going into this again. You are wrong. Completely wrong......WRONG.

Jim had already made up his mind that Kaep was his guy, before Alex Smith ever talked with Jim. Do some research....PFF prolly wouldn't be the place to go though.

[Sandy Vagina]

Huh?

Jim wanted nothing to do with Alex as soon as he had a better option.

You lose this argument.

So, Jim felt the younger, more dynamic QB was the right choice over the QB that was leading the league in passer rating and a 6-2 record. It was a bold and betraying decision that a dick like Jim would make. So what? He was fixated on Kaepernick, and Kaep has amazing potential. That doesn't take away from Alex being a damn good QB in his own right.

So no, I most certainly don't "lose this argument", lolz... what a 12 year old thing to say.

[the Talking Can]

the hunt family is absolutely the reason we've never drafted a QB in 3 decades

they're as fucking clueless about the importance of the position, and how you address it, as the true fans...and worse, they know the true fan's heart: it is risk averse, much more interested in minimizing risk than maximizing potential

at any point they could have insisted we draft one, or make a hiring contingent on the understanding that we were going to draft one...

they are the only consistent variable over time

[O.city]

No. Just no.....Im not going into this again. You are wrong. Completely wrong......WRONG.

Jim had already made up his mind that Kaep was his guy, before Alex Smith ever talked with Jim. Do some research....PFF prolly wouldn't be the place to go though.

So he was done with him before he had a chance to coach him?

[Hammock Parties]

Jim had already made up his mind that Kaep was his guy, before Alex Smith ever talked with Jim.

Well then...you're really not doing yourself any favors at all, then.

Alex is trash that was tolerated only long enough to give a real QB time to get settled.

Sounds like a guy we really want in KC.

[keg in kc]

Last thing I'm going to say on this, I've got to get out on my bike, and I'm spending way too much time talking about this (it's not like anything I say can change what the Chiefs do...):

I don't like the veteran philosophy because I don't believe it's viable as a long-term solution. I think you can have limited short-term success, but I think to turn a franchise into a consistent, year-in-year-out winner you must find and develop your own quarterback. So in that sense, I do think it matters where and how you acquire a player. As I've said before, you just can't get a franchise quarterback through free agency or via trade unless it's an extremely rare situation, like Trent Green in 2001 (although he was a bit up there in years), or like Drew Brees, a situation where a team has two viable starters, and can afford to sacrifice one. (And hopefully Alex Smith will prove to be a player of that ilk, although I question the odds there). And even a situation like that is a short term fix, where you're basically picking up someone else's table scraps.

What I think we need is to find a guy to be the face of the team for a decade. And I think they need to look for that constantly. Even with Alex Smith on the team. I think there needs to be a never-ending drive to find the next Brady/Manning/Rodgers. I think that's what it takes to be a winning franchise over the long haul.

But the franchise has never shown any indication that they value the position on a long-term basis like that. They seem to think they can re-load every 5 years with the veteran flavor of the month. And I think until that changes, the odds of any kind of long-term, repeated success are limited at best.

[Sandy Vagina]

So he was done with him before he had a chance to coach him?

Probably saying that he wanted a good QB to stop-gap for a potentially great one. So he kissed Alex's ass to stay.. while all along.. planned for more in the near future.. enter 2nd rd Kaepernick. And when Alex gave him far more than Jim expected of him? He got nervous about his true plan A getting derailed... so he yanked the carpet from Alex the first chance he got... concussion.

[Tombstone RJ]

Well since they, in conjunction with bettors, are largely the ones doing the [mis]judging at this point, . . . yeah.

...wait, what?

[Tombstone RJ]

You understand how odds work in Vegas, right?...

Please, enlighten me.

[SAUTO]

So, Jim felt the younger, more dynamic QB was the right choice over the QB that was leading the league in passer rating and a 6-2 record. It was a bold and betraying decision that a dick like Jim would make. So what? He was fixated on Kaepernick, and Kaep has amazing potential. That doesn't take away from Alex being a damn good QB in his own right.

So no, I most certainly don't "lose this argument", lolz... what a 12 year old thing to say.
What about Jim going after Manning?
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[Sandy Vagina]

What about Jim going after Manning?
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ad nauseum...

those that dislike Alex will claim one thing... those that like him will speculate another..

It's a waste of time, really. There was an offer on the table for Alex prior to Manning and agent calling SF. Again, Jim looked at Alex as a good QB and a good option to stop-gap the team. Once Manning called, it would have been irresponsible to not take a listen. It's Peyton ****ing Manning!

[RealSNR]

http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/qb

There is a metric fuck ton of fail in that list.

Acquiring a first round Super Bowl winning QB has required more luck than actual scouting and development over the past 30+ years.
And if it requires that much luck to draft a first round Super Bowl winning QB, just think of the luck it requires to acquire a Super Bowl winning QB drafted in the later rounds.

The odds are pretty glum for traded QBs as well.

Ironically, free agent QBs seem to do pretty well. Drew Brees, Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer. That's yet again an area that we never seem to poke around at unless we're just turds like Chase Daniel or Brady Quinn.

The point is, this franchise likes to trade for backups. If they're feeling particularly saucy one year, maybe they'll draft a guy in the late rounds, but more often than not they'll let other teams waste their draft picks on QBs.

In Year One, Reid and Dorsey continued that trend in spite of riding into town and wiping the slate completely clean by cutting Cassel, Quinn, and Tanney. They continued the trend of their predecessors that has led to only THREE QBs getting drafted since 2000 (Stanzi, Croyle, Killian).

What's going to happen next year? Are they going to use the excuse of being saddled with Chase Daniel's contract and the encouraging development of a fucking undrafted guy to explain why they passed over all the QBs in 2014? Because I can absolutely see that happening.

I'm used to those words. They're familiar to me.

[Tombstone RJ]

ad nauseum...

those that dislike Alex will claim one thing... those that like him will speculate another..

It's a waste of time, really. There was an offer on the table for Alex prior to Manning and agent calling SF. Again, Jim looked at Alex as a good QB and a good option to stop-gap the team. Once Manning called, it would have been irresponsible to not take a listen. It's Peyton ****ing Manning!

so, Manning called Jim and not vice versa?

[Sandy Vagina]

What's going to happen next year? Are they going to use the excuse of being saddled with Chase Daniel's contract and the encouraging development of a ****ing undrafted guy to explain why they passed over all the QBs in 2014? Because I can absolutely see that happening.

I'm used to those words. They're familiar to me.

You don't like what's going on in Chiefsland, then go kick rocks. Just **** off and go watch fishing or bowling. Bye.

[Sandy Vagina]

so, Manning called Jim and not vice versa?

Do you have multiple sources to suggest otherwise? and does any of it mitigate my point? There WAS a contract waiting for Alex's signature... this, we know.

Think we would sign Alex to be the backup for 8 mil AND sign Manning? Think we had the cap for that? You think we were ever seriously considering a contract like Manning signed in Denver? If so, then wow... that would be retard thinking for sure.

[RealSNR]

You don't like what's going on in Chiefsland, then go kick rocks. Just **** off and go watch fishing or bowling. Bye.

I didn't vote for Obama and don't think he's a good president.

You: "y dont u muv 2 canada lol"

[DaneMcCloud]

And if it requires that much luck to draft a first round Super Bowl winning QB, just think of the luck it requires to acquire a Super Bowl winning QB drafted in the later rounds.

The odds are pretty glum for traded QBs as well.

Ironically, free agent QBs seem to do pretty well. Drew Brees, Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer. That's yet again an area that we never seem to poke around at unless we're just turds like Chase Daniel or Brady Quinn.

There you go again, proclaiming that Chase Daniel is a "turd".

Please provide evidence that he's a turd. TIA.

The point is, this franchise likes to trade for backups. If they're feeling particularly saucy one year, maybe they'll draft a guy in the late rounds, but more often than not they'll let other teams waste their draft picks on QBs.

Bullshit. The Chiefs have traded for one backup QB: Cassel.

In Year One, Reid and Dorsey continued that trend in spite of riding into town and wiping the slate completely clean by cutting Cassel, Quinn, and Tanney. They continued the trend of their predecessors that has led to only THREE QBs getting drafted since 2000 (Stanzi, Croyle, Killian).

Who gives a fuck? Who in their right fucking mind believes that Dorsey and Reid are in any way, shape or form tied to the past of the Kansas City Chiefs?

What's going to happen next year? Are they going to use the excuse of being saddled with Chase Daniel's contract and the encouraging development of a fucking undrafted guy to explain why they passed over all the QBs in 2014? Because I can absolutely see that happening.

LMAO

"Saddled" with Daniel's contract? Good grief, get a grip.

[Thig Lyfe]

Irony

What's THAT supposed to mean???

[Hammock Parties]

There's no evidence that Daniel isn't a turd.

[Tombstone RJ]

Do you have multiple sources to suggest otherwise? and does any of it mitigate my point? There WAS a contract waiting for Alex's signature... this, we know.

Think we would sign Alex to be the backup for 8 mil AND sign Manning? Think we had the cap for that? You think we were ever seriously considering a contract like Manning signed in Denver? If so, then wow... that would be retard thinking for sure.

Do you have any source saying that Manning initiated contact? Why would Manning contact the Niners only to tell them "no"?

I think your BS is getting a little too deep.

[DaneMcCloud]

There's no evidence that Daniel isn't a turd.

You can't prove a negative, Fucktard

[Hammock Parties]

You can't prove a negative, Fucktard

Yes, but in the NFL, if you haven't done it, and you're someone like Chase Daniel, I doubt that you can.

[DaneMcCloud]

Yes, but in the NFL, if you haven't done it, and you're someone like Chase Daniel, I doubt that you can.

:facepalm:

[SAUTO]

Do you have any source saying that Manning initiated contact? Why would Manning contact the Niners only to tell them "no"?

I think your BS is getting a little too deep.
Its was all spin because they had to go back to Smith.
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[Sandy Vagina]

Do you have any source saying that Manning initiated contact? Why would Manning contact the Niners to only tell them "no"?

I think your BS is getting a little too deep.


It's called bargaining leverage from the other interested teams... duh.

Alex did have a contract on the table ready to sign. I have no interest in digging up links for you. Do it yourself, if you really care. SF wouldn't pay 8 mil to Alex AND a boat-load to Peyton. So it's easy enough to deduce that Manning or agent contacted SF. Now whether they really planned on signing with SF.. or they wanted to increase their bargaining position by the mere threat of it? Who can say? It doesn't matter.

[RealSNR]

There you go again, proclaiming that Chase Daniel is a "turd".

Please provide evidence that he's a turd. TIA.

Bullshit. The Chiefs have traded for one backup QB: Cassel.

Who gives a fuck? Who in their right fucking mind believes that Dorsey and Reid are in any way, shape or form tied to the past of the Kansas City Chiefs?

"Saddled" with Daniel's contract? Good grief, get a grip.

He's a turd because this conversation is about Super Bowl-winning QBs. You're not suggesting that Reid/Dorsey brought Daniel in here with the idea that he could one day win a Super Bowl for us, are you? So in this conversation, he's a turd. He's not the Saints signing Drew Brees. He's not even the Cardinals offering an "Eh, why the fuck not?" contract to Kurt Warner.

The Chiefs traded for Cassel. And Green, Grbac, and Bono off the top of my head. And all those guys (with the exception of Stevie) were acquired with the intent to start them. Those traded players have played over 75% of the games since our last playoff win. All of those players have also LOST all of the playoff games since Montana as well.

And Reid and Dorsey aren't tied to the past except that the past sets up the circumstances for the future. They got to this team, which was completely devoid of legitimate QB prospects thanks to the decisions of Pioli and before that, Carl. They said "winning now is the most important thing" so they get some veterans and call it all good. That's exactly what Pioli did. Winning now means you don't have time to give a shit about rookie QBs, so they become extraneous. Reid is a QB guru. He made guys like AJ fucking Feeley look okay. I seriously doubt Reid encountered several of these QBs in the middle rounds of the draft and said, "I'm so confident that none of them are worth an ounce of spit that I don't even want to look at them. Don't waste a single brain cell thinking about them."

Go ahead and tell me I'm speculating again, but that's all ANYBODY can do at this point. The fact is that Reid turned to Smith and Daniel to solidify his QBs. He might draft one in the future. I sure hope he fucking does. I hope he remembers what Ron Wolf taught him, that QBs should be drafted in nearly every single draft; the position is too important to not do exactly that.

[SAUTO]

It's called bargaining leverage from the other interested teams... duh.

Alex did have a contract on the table ready to sign. I have no interest in digging up links for you. Do it yourself, if you really care. SF wouldn't pay 8 mil to Alex AND a boat-load to Peyton. So it's easy enough to deduce that Manning or agent contacted SF. Now whether they really planned on signing with SF.. or they wanted to increase their bargaining position by the mere threat of it? Who can say? It doesn't matter.
So Manning contacting the niners is a "deduction"?

Why did harbaugh have to sit down and explain to Smith why they went after Manning?
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[SAUTO]

And I'm sure if Manning would have said he was willing to go to sf they would have told him they already offered Smith a deal, he hasn't signed it, we snuck out here to watch you, but we aren't interested...


Jfc
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[Hammock Parties]

:facepalm:

*shrug*

6-0 UDFAs with questionable arms don't generally amount to jack shit in this league.

Do you deny the truth in that statement?

[DaneMcCloud]

He's a turd because this conversation is about Super Bowl-winning QBs.

You've officially lost your fucking mind.

This is NOT a discussion about Super Bowl winning QB's. It's was a discussion about a back up QB that's spent four years learning from quite possibly the best QB coach and play caller in the country.

The fact that Daniel has backed up Drew Brees, who has not missed a game while in New Orleans, is absolutely NOT an indicator of Daniel's talent.

You're not suggesting that Reid/Dorsey brought Daniel in here with the idea that he could one day win a Super Bowl for us, are you? So in this conversation, he's a turd. He's not the Saints signing Drew Brees. He's not even the Cardinals offering an "Eh, why the fuck not?" contract to Kurt Warner.

:facepalm:

The Chiefs traded for Cassel. And Green, Grbac, and Bono off the top of my head. And all those guys (with the exception of Stevie) were acquired with the intent to start them. Those traded players have played over 75% of the games since our last playoff win. All of those players have also LOST all of the playoff games since Montana as well.

Grbac was a free agent, as was Bono.

Your anger is so fucking misplaced that it's kind of scary. If this team upsets you THIS MUCH, you should cut the cord because in reality, you have absolutely NO bearing on what this franchise does or does not do.

Good fucking grief.

[DaneMcCloud]

*shrug*

6-0 UDFAs with questionable arms don't generally amount to jack shit in this league.

Do you deny the truth in that statement?

Drew Brees

And he's 6'1.

[SAUTO]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/10/harbaughs-comments-on-manning-now-a-running-joke-in-league-circles/
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[SAUTO]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/22/alex-smith-not-offended-at-all-that-49ers-tried-to-sign-peyton-manning/
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[SAUTO]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82a59888/article/alex-smith-motivated-by-49ers-peyton-manning-chase
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[Hammock Parties]

Drew Brees

And he's 6'1.

Drew Brees was not an UDFA. ROFL

And Daniel's combine measurement was 6 feet.

[DaneMcCloud]

Drew Brees was not an UDFA. ROFL

And Daniel's combine measurement was 6 feet.

No, he was a 6' 1/2" free agent.

Aren't you one of the guys creaming their jeans for Russell Wilson?

[Tombstone RJ]

It's called bargaining leverage from the other interested teams... duh.

Alex did have a contract on the table ready to sign. I have no interest in digging up links for you. Do it yourself, if you really care. SF wouldn't pay 8 mil to Alex AND a boat-load to Peyton. So it's easy enough to deduce that Manning or agent contacted SF. Now whether they really planned on signing with SF.. or they wanted to increase their bargaining position by the mere threat of it? Who can say? It doesn't matter.

lol, I'm calling BS. Want proof, here: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/30/jim-harbaugh-says-49ers-never-pursued-peyton-manning/

I especially like this part:

The 49ers held off on negotiating a new deal with Alex Smith until after Manning chose to sign with the Broncos, something else that led people to think the 49ers were interested in signing Manning. Smith ended up re-signing and didn’t seem too put out by the time spent with Manning, leaving the whole thing as nothing more than a short chapter in an entertaining offseason...

Harbaugh went even further to make the team’s commitment to Smith as clear as possible. He said the team’s “evaluation” of Manning was designed with the intentionof having both Manning and Smith on the team next year.

“Were we out there seeing and evaluating if we could have them both? Heck yeah. We evaluate and eliminate the possibility. For further evidence, we would not have given any player out there in free agency a sixth of our salary cap, and let six or seven of our own guys go. Hopefully that sets the record straight. I don’t want you to keep reporting the silliness and phoniness.”

We’re not really sure why this would be coming up at this point. You can use any word you want — pursue, evaluate, observe, court — but there was definitely interest – a word Harbaugh used on Wednesday — in bringing Manning to San Francisco. Denying it at this point just seems silly, especially when you throw in the stuff about keeping both quarterbacks while simultaneously worrying about your cap space.

This is the same coach who adamantly supported Smith, right up until he benched Smith for Kaepernick. So you can't really trust a damn thing he says, but that's pretty typical of "coach talk" in college football and the NFL. Point being, the Niners "evaluated" Manning with the intent to sign him. Manning didn't call the Niners for a job.

[Hammock Parties]

No, he was a 6' 1/2" free agent.

Aren't you one of the guys creaming their jeans for Russell Wilson?

No, that's Hootie.

Point is...6-0 undrafted free agents don't generally make it in the NFL.

The fact he survived holding a clipboard in New Orleans 4 seasons doesn't instill confidence in me.

[DaneMcCloud]

The fact he survived holding a clipboard in New Orleans 4 seasons doesn't instill confidence in me.

Who gives a fuck what you think besides your minion SDH?

[BossChief]

Chase Daniel has the weakest arm of any of the QBs we have at camp.

I went there expecting to see reasons why the guy got so much money and came away thoroughly unimpressed.

When the guy threw the ball over 20 or 25 yards, it hung.

[ChiefsCountry]

Chase Daniel has the weakest arm of any of the QBs we have at camp.

I went there expecting to see reasons why the guy got so much money and came away thoroughly unimpressed.

When the guy threw the ball over 20 or 25 yards, it hung.

Pretty much he has always been that way. Short and weak arm is why Mizzou got him and not Texas or Oklahoma. With the stats he put up in high school in Dallas suburb, hell he would have been a lock to go one of those schools if he was 6'3 or taller.

[BossChief]

If he were to play, I'd be a lot more concerned with his arm strength than his height.

The combination of the two makes his signing a big fat ?

I'd like to also say that the guy constantly has to move outside the pocket to get a pass off, likely due to his height limitations. He escaped the pocket at least half the reps he got.

[Hammock Parties]

Who gives a fuck what you think besides your minion SDH?

Clearly, you do.

You can't resist my siren call.

[Rock Action]

http://dailysnark.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/20130713-181828.jpg

http://www.jumiah.com/images/sig01b.png

Had a buddy grab this for me from the 49ers board.

This is what an unhealthy obsession and a HOMER looks like.

This is Kaepernicks sig on the 49ers board. This is also the cult he started.

Says the obsessed fruit that wants to have Alex' baby....ROFL
With that said, I wish Alex well for you guys. I think he'll do alright.

[Setsuna]

Man these true fans are freaking ridiculous

[Kaepernick]

ROFL

Yep it is going to be a LONG season with all the crying over drafting Fish, pssing away a 2nd rounder and how terrible Alex is-lol

If it was only a 2nd rounder and not a conditional 2nd next year, there would be less crying.

[New World Order]

With these various insults and red karma spamming Dane Mccloud reminds me of a chick on the rag.

[WakkaWakka]

With these various insults and red karma spamming Dane Mccloud reminds me of a chick on the rag.

ROFL

[Kaepernick]

The Chiefs haven't been to the SB in 40 years, haven't drafted a high QB in 30, or won a playoff game in 20.

Hey, facts is facts.

You guys have been talking about SB caliber QBs over the past 30 years.

Just for shit and grins, how many SB caliber HCs have you had over the past 30 years? I liked Schottenheimer but I would not put him SB caliber.

Have you had a SB caliber HC in the past 3 decades that would get you there or would a SB caliber QB have been wasted anyways?

Just asking.

[ChiefsCountry]

You guys have been talking about SB caliber QBs over the past 30 years.

Just for shit and grins, how many SB caliber HCs have you had over the past 30 years? I liked Schottenheimer but I would not put him SB caliber.

Have you had a SB caliber HC in the past 3 decades that would get you there or would a SB caliber QB have been wasted anyways?

Just asking.

Vermeil. 30 years ago we fired Marv Levy.

[Kaepernick]

Trint Green never won a playoff game. how do you see him as "championship caliber quarterback" ???

Alex Smith went further in the playoffs than Green and he did it facing Drew Brees. Smith won that game, whereas Green was pedestrian, maybe even subpar against Manning.

yet few folks are willing to say Smith could actually become a champ.

This is the "Dan Marino never won a SB, so he is not a SB caliber QB" argument.

[Jakemall]

Ok, so he doesn't turn 30 until after the season.

But can you dumbasses not ****ing read?

34 or older historically don't win SBs.

That means 33 or younger is your window.

And that adds up to 4?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

ROFL You are like a bad rash- you get dogged off the Training camp thread for your dumb post but yet you pop up here with the same lame hate. Why are you even on a Chiefs site if you hate them so much?

Do I hate Tyler Bray?

Perhaps, one day, in the distant, distant mists of the future(kind of like when the aliens come back to earth and pick up the animatronic boy-bot in Speilberg's "AI"-kind of distant), you will finally learn to accept the futility of the Chiefs overall method of "addressing the QB position", and all of the FAIL that it historically entails.

Perhaps.

Then again....Lil' Chiefy....

perhaps not.

jesus fuck people....this is THE same sorry ass cowardly excuse you pathetic true fans have been pawning off for 3 god damn decades

"no QB is good enough for the 2-14 Chiefs"...waaaaaaaaaaaaaa


Chiefs fans actually believe that nonsense...30 years of failure and it is still too risky

You get the RT you deserve

It's unbelievable at this point. How do people keep feeding this shit-sandwich with excuse after excuse, and dollar after dollar?

Mind-buggling.