2014-2015 NBA regular season thread.

[Pitt Gorilla]

By the way Bosh just re-signed with Miami.Things remain interesting.

[RealSNR]

Bosh must have REALLY wanted to play with Jeremy Lin

[ChiefsCountry]

Bosh gets an extra year on his deal with Miami instead of Houston.

[BigCatDaddy]

Woooo they have that #3 seed for the East locked up now. ROFL

A Miami/Cleveland playoff series would make for good TV especially if they can get someone respectable for replace Lechoke.

[DaKCMan AP]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>With Bosh back, Miami is trying to complete shorter deals with Dwyane Wade and Udonis Haslem, league sources tell Yahoo.</p>&mdash; Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA) <a href="https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/statuses/487715128117170177">July 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[DaKCMan AP]

Will be interesting to see who Riley gets to fill out roster with money previously reserved for Bron.

[Mr. Arrowhead]

As much as I love the NFL, the NBA free agency period kills the NFL free agency period all because of the franchise tag

[DaKCMan AP]

As much as I love the NFL, the NBA free agency period kills the NFL free agency period all because of the franchise tag

+ compensation reqmts for RFAs vs just matching in NBA

[DaKCMan AP]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Bosh loves Miami, appreciates Spoelstra&#39;s approach, could now get to show full extent of his game.</p>&mdash; Ira Winderman (@IraHeatBeat) <a href="https://twitter.com/IraHeatBeat/statuses/487719436913504256">July 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[DaKCMan AP]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Wade money could come down to how much they&#39;ve offering the next big piece to round out lineup.</p>&mdash; Ira Winderman (@IraHeatBeat) <a href="https://twitter.com/IraHeatBeat/statuses/487719567926779904">July 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[dirk digler]

Bosh is an idiot. What a complete moron.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Riley panicked. A lot of money for toilet paper.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

@chicagobullsbot: Chicago Bulls have a 2 year offer on the table for Carmelo Anthony giving him option to sign max extension after. (Source: Stephen. A Smith)

[Just Passin' By]

Peyton Manning.

You saw how bad the Colts were without him.

Manning's team collapsed because the team didn't bother getting good backups. It wasn't because Manning is so amazing. The very next year, Luck brought them right back. As a matter of fact, Manning's last year with the Colts was a 10-6 year, and Luck's been better than that, at 11-5, both years he's been in the NFL.

[DaKCMan AP]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Free agent forward Jordan Hill has agreed to a two-year, $18M deal to return to the Los Angeles Lakers, agent Kevin Bradbury tells Yahoo.</p>&mdash; Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA) <a href="https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/statuses/487720875471691776">July 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[dirk digler]

I will say this about Bosh, he passed up a chance to play 3rd wheel on a much better team but would have left alot of money on the table. I suppose it would be hard to pass up $20-30 million dollars. He already has his rings so probably doesn't care at this point.

[DaKCMan AP]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Sacramento restricted free agent Isaiah Thomas has reached agreement on an offer sheet with Phoenix, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.</p>&mdash; Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA) <a href="https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/statuses/487722326017212416">July 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[DaKCMan AP]

I will say this about Bosh, he passed up a chance to play 3rd wheel on a much better team but would have left alot of money on the table. I suppose it would be hard to pass up $20-30 million dollars. He already has his rings so probably doesn't care at this point.

Bosh & his wife love living in Miami. More $$, place he loves living, and now he will be a top option instead of a 3rd wheel. Expect him to get back to his 20 & 10 days...big void left by LBJ.

[DaKCMan AP]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Suns and Kings are finalizing a sign-and-trade deal on a four-year, $27M contract for Isaiah Thomas, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.</p>&mdash; Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA) <a href="https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/statuses/487722798295429121">July 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[Chiefs Pantalones]

The Lakers have had a horrible free agency period.

[RealSNR]

This is reportedly Flip's desired package if Chicago is going to make a deal for Kevin Love:

Jimmy Butler, Taj Gibson, Doug McDermott and the rights to Nikola Mirotic.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/blogs/266770031.html

And Chicago doesn't want to budge on it because they are trying to go after Carmello and don't have the money to get both Carmello and Kevin Love.

As much as that deal is kind of deflating to me as a Wolves fan, it's a significant grade better than Anthony Bennett, Dion Waiters, and a 1st round pick.

[DaKCMan AP]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Heat currently working on finalizing deals with Dwyane Wade and Udonis Haslem, involved party tells Sun Sentinel.</p>&mdash; Ira Winderman (@IraHeatBeat) <a href="https://twitter.com/IraHeatBeat/statuses/487723760095858688">July 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[Titty Meat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Heat currently working on finalizing deals with Dwyane Wade and Udonis Haslem, involved party tells Sun Sentinel.</p>&mdash; Ira Winderman (@IraHeatBeat) <a href="https://twitter.com/IraHeatBeat/statuses/487723760095858688">July 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Good enough not to be picking in the top 10 bad enough Cleveland gets their pick next year.

[KevB]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Suns and Kings are finalizing a sign-and-trade deal on a four-year, $27M contract for Isaiah Thomas, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.</p>&mdash; Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA) <a href="https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/statuses/487722798295429121">July 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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As if the Suns weren't already fun as hell to watch.

[DaKCMan AP]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Pau Gasol turned down a two-year, $10M-plus per deal with the Lakers, league sources tell Yahoo Sports. Likely moving on.</p>&mdash; Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA) <a href="https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/statuses/487727989933998080">July 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[dirk digler]

As if the Suns weren't already fun as hell to watch.

No kidding. Definitely getting NBA league pass this year

[Al Bundy]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>LEBRON MESSAGES LIKE �� <a href="http://t.co/ok8B5XZjwd">pic.twitter.com/ok8B5XZjwd</a></p>&mdash; The Orignial Copy (@IKnowRashad) <a href="https://twitter.com/IKnowRashad/statuses/487724189449588736">July 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[Jerm]

The Lakers a goddamn dumpster fire...ugh...:facepalm:

[KC_Connection]

That was my first though as well. Funny how both guys are known to be regular season bad asses and playoff chockers including this past season as well. Great comparison.
Don't be stupid. At just 29 years old, LeBron already has the 4th most win shares in NBA history (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ws_career_p.html). His playoff WS/48 rate (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ws_per_48_career_p.html) is only bettered by MJ and Mikan. Playoff choker, indeed. LMAO

[L.A. Chieffan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>LEBRON MESSAGES LIKE �� <a href="http://t.co/ok8B5XZjwd">pic.twitter.com/ok8B5XZjwd</a></p>&mdash; The Orignial Copy (@IKnowRashad) <a href="https://twitter.com/IKnowRashad/statuses/487724189449588736">July 11, 2014</a></blockquote>
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That shit is funny, the Delonte West one killed me.

[KC_Connection]

It's well known that Pat Riley didn't give a shit about LeBron's entourage. He never kissed their ass either.
So he just might have lost his meal ticket due to his pride? Not sure that's a good thing.

A team led by Bosh/Wade obviously won't be going much of anywhere, although I admit I am interested to see if Bosh is still capable of what he used to do 5 years ago.

[KC_Connection]

Bosh is an idiot. What a complete moron.
5 years/118M? Bosh would have been crazy not to take that money.

[DaKCMan AP]

Pat Riley Statement

While I am disappointed by LeBron's decision to leave Miami, no one can fault another person for wanting to return home. The last four years have been an incredible run for South Florida, HEAT fans, our organization and for all of the players who were a part of it. LeBron is a fantastic leader, athlete, teammate and person, and we are all sorry to see him go.

Over the last 19yrs, since Micky and I teamed together, The Miami HEAT has always been a championship organization; we’ve won multiple championships and competed for many others. Micky, Erik and I remain committed to doing whatever it takes to win and compete for championships for many years to come. We’ve proven that we can do it and we’ll do it again.
http://www.nba.com/heat/news/pat-riley-statement

[Pasta Little Brioni]

His decision is....awesome. But seriously fuck Rusty for me wanting him to resign in Miami to spite that homer douche blowmo wannabe.

[chiefzilla1501]

http://grantland.com/features/god-loves-cleveland/
Once I get over the fact that Bill Simmons is such a ridiculous fan boy of Boston (at least he admits it...), I realize what a brilliant writer he is. This is about the best summation of Lebron I've seen. Says almost everything I've always wanted to say but much better about his place in history, while acknowledging his greatness, and throwing in some real smart commentary about why he made the decisions he made.

[SAUTO]

His decision is....awesome. But seriously fuck Rusty for me wanting him to resign in Miami to spite that homer douche blowmo wannabe.

Agreed.
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[Skyy God]

If you're Cleveland, isn't Gasol + Wiggins better than Love?

[BigCatDaddy]

Don't be stupid. At just 29 years old, LeBron already has the 4th most win shares in NBA history (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ws_career_p.html). His playoff WS/48 rate (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ws_per_48_career_p.html) is only bettered by MJ and Mikan. Playoff choker, indeed. LMAO

Didnt Gasol have more win shares than Kobe during their titles runs?

[KC_Connection]

His decision is....awesome. But seriously **** Rusty for me wanting him to resign in Miami to spite that homer douche blowmo wannabe.
This. Although you know that Cavs fans like him would have never wanted to take him back if it wasn't for what he could do for them (i.e., championships for Cleveland).

[RealSNR]

If you're Cleveland, isn't Gasol + Wiggins better than Love?

I would think absolutely. Wiggins' potential is more than worth it.

[KC_Connection]

Didnt Gasol have more win shares than Kobe during their titles runs?
Not sure, but it wouldn't surprise me. Gasol was a fantastic player during those seasons, one of the best in the NBA.

[SAUTO]

I hope they keep wiggins, they say he will play for the cavs in summer league tonight.
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[chiefzilla1501]

If you're Cleveland, isn't Gasol + Wiggins better than Love?

Absolutely. But only because Love is going to cost you some serious trade bait and a shitload of cash, whereas Gasol + Wiggins cost you no players or picks and can play on the cheap. I also think they fill in gaps the Cavs badly need. Wiggins brings defense, Gasol brings a more stable post presence. Gasol + Wiggins + Lebron + Allen and/or James Jones makes this team really dangerous.

[Mr. Laz]

I hope they keep wiggins, they say he will play for the cavs in summer league tonight.
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If Wiggins does play tonight they have to sign him first and then he can't be traded for 30 days. They also risk an injury ruining any trade. I would think if Wiggins plays then he won't be involved in any trade talks.

I've always thought Wiggins had Durant-ish like potential.


What team wouldn't want a Durant/LeBron combo on their team.

[BWillie]

Good enough not to be picking in the top 10 bad enough Cleveland gets their pick next year.

Why do people seem to think Dwayne Wade sucks? He's had productive as shit years the last two years. He's banged up, not what he used to be, but he's easily a Top 20 player.

[BWillie]

If you're Cleveland, isn't Gasol + Wiggins better than Love?

Probably not.

I'd rather bring in Love, and find a big man who can't score but can defend. Call it a day. Gasol's days are numbered. Wiggins will struggle for at least two years then I expect him to take off.

[chiefzilla1501]

If Wiggins does play tonight they have to sign him first and then he can't be traded for 30 days. They also risk an injury ruining any trade. I would think if Wiggins plays then he won't be involved in any trade talks.

I've always thought Wiggins had Durant-ish like potential.


What team wouldn't want a Durant/LeBron combo on their team.

I think from a raw skill set, yes. I don't think Wiggins has or ever will have the kind of killer instinct Durant has. But this role as third sidekick is absolutely perfect for him especially with the best facilitator in the game, Lebron. And I like his fit a lot better than Kevin Love. I think the Cavs are going to have a LOT of work to do getting Kyrie and Waiters to play less selfish basketball and within a system, let alone play a balanced game of defense and offense. So I think a guy like Wiggins who will probably be an unselfish system player early on in his career is exactly what they need.

[chiefzilla1501]

Why do people seem to think Dwayne Wade sucks? He's had productive as shit years the last two years. He's banged up, not what he used to be, but he's easily a Top 20 player.

Think it has more to do with having a guy making that much money that has to sit every other game just to keep his legs fresh in the playoffs.

[SAUTO]

Probably not.

I'd rather bring in Love, and find a big man who can't score but can defend. Call it a day. Gasol's days are numbered. Wiggins will struggle for at least two years then I expect him to take off.

And wiggins will just be maturing then, a couple years of him and Lebron at top and then as Lebron ages wiggins takes over and helps get him a couple more rings...perfect scenario.

Simmons should have included that in his genius article.

If they keep wiggins they might already have his successor, with Lebron still in his prime.

He might win six.
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[BWillie]

I think from a raw skill set, yes. I don't think Wiggins has or ever will have the kind of killer instinct Durant has. But this role as third sidekick is absolutely perfect for him especially with the best facilitator in the game, Lebron. And I like his fit a lot better than Kevin Love. I think the Cavs are going to have a LOT of work to do getting Kyrie and Waiters to play less selfish basketball and within a system, let alone play a balanced game of defense and offense. So I think a guy like Wiggins who will probably be an unselfish system player early on in his career is exactly what they need.

Maybe he should do more fist pumps? Do the double guns when he makes the and one like Embiid? Tell people he kills lions?? I'm not sure where this stigmata comes from. By all accounts Wiggins was one of, if not the hardest working player on the team, and a great teammate. Just because you aren't flailing your arms around showboating after a dunk all the time doesn't mean you don't care or don't have a killer instinct. I seem to remember Wiggins going ape shit at the end of the game on Florida to almost win the game, a run I've never seen any KU player due in my entire life. Just drilled everything, completely took the game over at the end

[KC_Connection]

I don't think I'd trade Wiggins. Obviously the Cavs won't likely win a championship next year without adding a top player, but I don't think the better chance for one year is worth the risk of giving him (and all his potential) up.

[SAUTO]

I don't think I'd trade Wiggins. Obviously the Cavs won't likely win a championship next year without adding a top player, but I don't think the better chance for one year is worth the risk of giving him (and all his potential) up.

I agree. Next season will be their year.hopefully they get everyone else on the same page this year.
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[New World Order]

I don't think I'd trade Wiggins. Obviously the Cavs won't likely win a championship next year without adding a top player, but I don't think the better chance for one year is worth the risk of giving him (and all his potential) up.



LMAO

How many top players does he need?

[BWillie]

LMAO

How many top players does he need?

Well Jordan needed 2 or 3, so just having Kyrie Irving probably isn't going to do it. And as much as I think Kobe is a ball hogging shit machine at times, he did only need 1 or 2.

[chiefzilla1501]

Maybe he should do more fist pumps? Do the double guns when he makes the and one like Embiid? Tell people he kills lions?? I'm not sure where this stigmata comes from. By all accounts Wiggins was one of, if not the hardest working player on the team, and a great teammate. Just because you aren't flailing your arms around showboating after a dunk all the time doesn't mean you don't care or don't have a killer instinct. I seem to remember Wiggins going ape shit at the end of the game on Florida to almost win the game, a run I've never seen any KU player due in my entire life. Just drilled everything, completely took the game over at the end of the game.

Wiggins in college could take over games any time he wanted to. He hesitates at times, sometimes plays too unselfish. He could develop that part of his game, but I feel like in most instances, you have it or you don't. It won't keep him from being an excellent player one day. At least for now, I don't think you want him to be "the guy" and I think even down the road, you may want to pair him up with a closer.

[New World Order]

Well Jordan needed 2 or 3, so just having Kyrie Irving probably isn't going to do it. And as much as I think Kobe is a ball hogging shit machine at times, he did only need 1 or 2.



Who did Jordan have that was a top player other than Pippen?

[SAUTO]

Kukoc was pretty good, rodman was pretty good
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[New World Order]

Kukoc was pretty good, rodman was pretty good
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They weren't top players

And he won multiple titles without either.

[BWillie]

Wiggins in college could take over games any time he wanted to. He hesitates at times, sometimes plays too unselfish. He could develop that part of his game, but I feel like in most instances, you have it or you don't. It won't keep him from being an excellent player one day. At least for now, I don't think you want him to be "the guy" and I think even down the road, you may want to pair him up with a closer.

IMO, Wiggins made the wrong college choice from a productivity standpoint. The Bill Self offense is about the worst possible offense Wiggins would be suited to. If he played for UNC or UK he would have averaged 20+ PPG a game. I don't think pairing him up with Lebron is going to be great for his long term development, but it would be good for the Cavs. I'd like to see Wiggins traded and bloom on his own, show everybody that he can be THE ALL STAR, and get people to stop talking about this "he's not an alpha dog" nonsense. I think he should just start telling people he killed grizzly bears in Canada when he was growing up. I think the media would eat that up, gush at his "tenacity" or some dumb shit.

[SAUTO]

They weren't top players

And he won multiple titles without either.

Kukoc was generally regarded as the top foreign player. Rodman was a fucking monster.

And he did. True. No one is mj though.
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[chiefzilla1501]

Who did Jordan have that was a top player other than Pippen?

Jordan needed a supporting cast too. The reason I always think MJ will be untouchable is that in the last 5 minutes of the game, it didn't matter who was on the court with MJ. There are instances here and there of him passing the ball. But he was basically going to own the ball, everyone knew he was wanting to shoot it every single time, and he was still unstoppable.

[SAUTO]

IMO, Wiggins made the wrong college choice from a productivity standpoint. The Bill Self offense is about the worst possible offense Wiggins would be suited to. If he played for UNC or UK he would have averaged 20+ PPG a game. I don't think pairing him up with Lebron is going to be great for his long term development, but it would be good for the Cavs. I'd like to see Wiggins traded and bloom on his own, show everybody that he can be THE ALL STAR, and get people to stop talking about this "he's not an alpha dog" nonsense.

Why would Lebron be bad for his development?
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[chiefzilla1501]

IMO, Wiggins made the wrong college choice from a productivity standpoint. The Bill Self offense is about the worst possible offense Wiggins would be suited to. If he played for UNC or UK he would have averaged 20+ PPG a game. I don't think pairing him up with Lebron is going to be great for his long term development, but it would be good for the Cavs. I'd like to see Wiggins traded and bloom on his own, show everybody that he can be THE ALL STAR, and get people to stop talking about this "he's not an alpha dog" nonsense. I think he should just start telling people he killed grizzly bears in Canada when he was growing up. I think the media would eat that up, gush at his "tenacity" or some dumb shit.

Wiggins has a ton of work to do. He has to improve his jump shot. More importantly, he has to put a ton of time developing a left. It's a really good deal for him to be in an offense like this where for the first few years, what's expected of him is to run the system, share the ball, and watch the opportunities that open up when Kyrie and Lebron are opening up teammates.

[dirk digler]

Not much offense in this Cavs-Bucks matchup. Wiggins-Parker probably a little nervous for their first game

[BWillie]

Jordan needed a supporting cast too. The reason I always think MJ will be untouchable is that in the last 5 minutes of the game, it didn't matter who was on the court with MJ. There are instances here and there of him passing the ball. But he was basically going to own the ball, everyone knew he was wanting to shoot it every single time, and he was still unstoppable.

I'll give you that, it was amazing. While exciting, it is USUALLY a foolish way to play basketball. Look up studies regarding guys like Kobe Bryant, who many people regard as "clutch", and it can be proven that he routinely hurts his team by playing hero ball down the stretch of games, going one on one and jacking up a forced shot instead of running offense, moving the ball, and getting the ball the open man, regardless of who it is. This is something Lebron doesn't mind doing, he doesn't care if he gets the last shot, he doesn't care how it's done, he just wants the win the game. It's quite logical, that if you get double teamed, or are in a position for a bad shot you get rid of it rather than be prideful and try to just "be the man" or the "alpha dog". Lebron is the most efficient player in basketball, it's one of the reasons his win shares is so high. In that sense, Lebron doesn't have an ego.

[KC_Connection]

I agree. Next season will be their year.hopefully they get everyone else on the same page this year.
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Have to consider the Spurs and Thunder the favorites this season.

[New World Order]

Jordan needed a supporting cast too. The reason I always think MJ will be untouchable is that in the last 5 minutes of the game, it didn't matter who was on the court with MJ. There are instances here and there of him passing the ball. But he was basically going to own the ball, everyone knew he was wanting to shoot it every single time, and he was still unstoppable.



Absolutely this

[DaKCMan AP]

If Wiggins does play tonight they have to sign him first and then he can't be traded for 30 days.

Not true. He can play without signing, but he'd be stupid to without insurance.

[DaKCMan AP]

Jabari Parker is a stud.

[New World Order]

It would be stupid to trade Wiggins for love.

[DaKCMan AP]

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[Bambi]

Parker and Wiggins both look fantastic.

[mcaj22]

parker and freaky greeky are going to make a nice team. shame they will be coached by Kidd

[BigMeatballDave]

Manning's team collapsed because the team didn't bother getting good backups. It wasn't because Manning is so amazing. The very next year, Luck brought them right back. As a matter of fact, Manning's last year with the Colts was a 10-6 year, and Luck's been better than that, at 11-5, both years he's been in the NFL.

Uh, in case you hadn't noticed, Luck is pretty fucking good.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Wiggins is in his rookie contract dumbass.

In 2015-16 LeBron will be making about 24MM, Irving 18MM and Wiggins 6. That's $48 million committed to those three guys. Good luck finding another 19 for Love.

[New World Order]

If they are going to bring in Love they need to get rid of Irving.

[dirk digler]

Wiggins has shown me more in this game than any game in his 1 year at KU.

Parker reminds me alot of Pierce

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Bosh & his wife love living in Miami. More $$, place he loves living, and now he will be a top option instead of a 3rd wheel. Expect him to get back to his 20 & 10 days...big void left by LBJ.

Those will be empty stats. Miami needed his rebounding the last four years and he couldn't give it to them.

What stops you from jamming him up from 15+ feet out and making him beat you off the dribble? He's not a strong finisher.

[Just Passin' By]

Uh, in case you hadn't noticed, Luck is pretty ****ing good.

Sure, but that's not what was at issue, and Luck wasn't all that as a rookie. Record-wise, Manning was improved upon by a rookie in the year following the Painter debacle.

[dirk digler]

The Heat's third option appears to be Ariza or Deng. Should be good enough for the 8th playoff spot.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Why do people seem to think Dwayne Wade sucks? He's had productive as shit years the last two years. He's banged up, not what he used to be, but he's easily a Top 20 player.

He played 54 games last year, never had to play back-to-backs, had at least one day off in between every playoff game (and often much longer stretches) and was completely ineffective. He can't consistently create his own shot, can't shoot from outside, his legs don't have lift, and his lateral quickness is gone.

He couldn't do anything when LeBron sat during the playoffs.

Not only is he not a top 20 player, he's not a top 50 player. He will get a big contract, but he's not worth much more than the mid-level exception.

[DaKCMan AP]

Those will be empty stats. Miami needed his rebounding the last four years and he couldn't give it to them.

What stops you from jamming him up from 15+ feet out and making him beat you off the dribble? He's not a strong finisher.

His quickness off the dribble is a strength. With Bron it wasn't utilized as his role was to be a spot up shooter and to provide spacing. He'll be expected to do more and go back to his Toronto skillset as the #1, max guy on the team. We'll have to see if he can.

[SAUTO]

It would be stupid to trade Wiggins for love.

I agree
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[tk13]

I can't believe Bosh got a $118 million deal. I mean I can... but I have never been a huge fan of the guy. He's always seemed soft to me, even when the Heat signed him. He's certainly not a 10-12 rebound/game guy anymore. If he was... where has it been the last two years? LeBron wouldn't be loading up the trucks for Cleveland now if he still was.

[dirk digler]

He played 54 games last year, never had to play back-to-backs, had at least one day off in between every playoff game (and often much longer stretches) and was completely ineffective. He can't consistently create his own shot, can't shoot from outside, his legs don't have lift, and his lateral quickness is gone.

He couldn't do anything when LeBron sat during the playoffs.

Not only is he not a top 20 player, he's not a top 50 player. He will get a big contract, but he's not worth much more than the mid-level exception.

Yep. My suggestion after the Finals was for him to try to be 6th man of the year. He would be pretty good in the Manu role for the Heat but alas he is going to have to play alot more minutes now than he should.

[SAUTO]

I can't believe Bosh got a $118 million deal. I mean I can... but I have never been a huge fan of the guy. He's always seemed soft to me, even when the Heat signed him. He's certainly not a 10-12 rebound/game anymore. If he was... where has it been the last two years? LeBron wouldn't be loading up the trucks for Cleveland now if he still was.

Riley shit his pants and reached
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['Hamas' Jenkins]

The Heat's third option appears to be Ariza or Deng. Should be good enough for the 8th playoff spot.

Riley was just given a gut punch and reacted in the worst possible fashion. This was an opportunity to get out from under a really bad contract in Wade and an overpay with Bosh, but he's going to soak up cap space and sacrifice draft position while winning 40 games a year

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Yep. My suggestion after the Finals was for him to try to be 6th man of the year. He would be pretty good in the Manu role for the Heat but alas he is going to have to play alot more minutes now than he should.

Riley said he would never agree to do it. I believe the exact quote was "I'd have to take a bat to the meeting."

Wade's solution this offseason is to lose weight. He's delusional about what and where he is at this point in his career.

[SAUTO]

Riley was just given a gut punch and reacted in the worst possible fashion. This was an opportunity to get out from under a really bad contract in Wade and an overpay with Bosh, but he's going to soak up cap space and sacrifice draft position while winning 40 games a year

Yep. He could have been in a great position cap wise for next years free agent class
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[Just Passin' By]

The Heat's third option appears to be Ariza or Deng. Should be good enough for the 8th playoff spot.

With Bron-Bron gone...

Bosh
Gasol
Wade
Deng
Napier
Granger
McRoberts
Haslem

Anyone buying that group?

[ohiobronco2]

What a great day to be a Cavs fan. LeBron coming back is great, but having that Miami 1st round pick is icing on the cake. EABOD fake Miami "fans".

[ohiobronco2]

Riley shit his pants and reached
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Agreed. He was afraid of the whole empire collapsing around him. Miami fans make me laugh, they think Riley is a God. Yeah, it takes a real genius to assemble that Miami team. ROFL

['Hamas' Jenkins]

His quickness off the dribble is a strength. With Bron it wasn't utilized as his role was to be a spot up shooter and to provide spacing. He'll be expected to do more and go back to his Toronto skillset as the #1, max guy on the team. We'll have to see if he can.

No. It was. Now he's a face-up guy with half of a face-up game. If he was good at breaking someone down off the dribble now, Miami would have spaced the floor and let him do it with a bench unit while LeBron got a blow, and they would have used it as a secondary offensive option to take bigger players away from the paint and get their foul counts up. Alas, that never happened. He camps from 20 feet out and shoots open jumpers now.

I don't think many people understand the way the NBA works. A number one option on any team is going to score almost 20 points a game just based upon the volume of possessions they use.

Shit, Kevin Martin is a near 20 PPG score for his career and he fucking blows.

[dirk digler]

Riley was just given a gut punch and reacted in the worst possible fashion. This was an opportunity to get out from under a really bad contract in Wade and an overpay with Bosh, but he's going to soak up cap space and sacrifice draft position while winning 40 games a year

From my understanding they would have to overpay for someone because they have to meet the salary floor of $56 million. But I agree I wouldn't be giving big long contracts to either of those guys.

Riley said he would never agree to do it. I believe the exact quote was "I'd have to take a bat to the meeting."

Wade's solution this offseason is to lose weight. He's delusional about what and where he is at this point in his career.

I remember when we were discussing Rose earlier this year and him not having his meniscus removed. That is clearly the issue with Wade and you have to think there is no way he is going to get much better.

[BWillie]

He played 54 games last year, never had to play back-to-backs, had at least one day off in between every playoff game (and often much longer stretches) and was completely ineffective. He can't consistently create his own shot, can't shoot from outside, his legs don't have lift, and his lateral quickness is gone.

He couldn't do anything when LeBron sat during the playoffs.

Not only is he not a top 20 player, he's not a top 50 player. He will get a big contract, but he's not worth much more than the mid-level exception.

Oh really? The 50th best player in the NBA averages 20 ppg, 5apg, 5rpg, while shooting 54% from the floor....all the while being hobbled? UNREAL

['Hamas' Jenkins]

From my understanding they would have to overpay for someone because they have to meet the salary floor of $56 million. But I agree I wouldn't be giving big long contracts to either of those guys.



I remember when we were discussing Rose earlier this year and him not having his meniscus removed. That is clearly the issue with Wade and you have to think there is no way he is going to get much better.

Yup. That's why people criticizing Rose don't get it.

Wade in his own words regarding his meniscus:

http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/9760169/dwyane-wade-miami-heat-regrets-having-meniscus-removed-college

[BWillie]

Parker and Wiggins both look fantastic.

By all accounts, Wiggins is having an off shooting night. Only 1-7 from three, but 7-16 from the field still, with 18 points in the 3rd qtr.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Oh really? The 50th best player in the NBA averages 20 ppg, 5apg, 5rpg, while shooting 54% from the floor....all the while being hobbled? UNREAL

Do you have any idea what dozens of guys could do in the NBA if they didn't have to play back-to-backs, never had to guard the opposing team's best player, and never were guarded by the other team's best defender?

Wade was given the softest schedule imaginable and still broke down, and although he may be in south Florida, he isn't any closer to the fountain of youth than that Spaniard fuck Ponce de Leon.

[BWillie]

Do you have any idea what dozens of guys could do in the NBA if they didn't have to play back-to-backs, never had to guard the opposing team's best player, and never were guarded by the other team's best defender?

Wade was given the softest schedule imaginable and still broke down, and although he may be in south Florida, he isn't any closer to the fountain of youth than that Spaniard **** Ponce de Leon.

Please show me your study and experience where you played back-to-back games and it severely hampered your ability to play basketball. BTW, 54 of 82 games is like over 65% of the games. So he had to play back to back games at some point. I'm sure D Wade could have played more games if they wanted him to, but it was a risk reward situation. The heat weren't' in a playoff hunt race, they were already a lock. There really wasn't any point in risking it.

[ChiefsCountry]

Hamas has been a dumb ass regarding Wade and Bosh for 4 years now glad to see he is still keeping it up.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Please show me your study and experience where you played back-to-back games and it severely hampered your ability to play basketball.

The fact that you would even try to argue this proves how much you don't know. It isn't even debated in NBA circles that playing the second of a back-to-back results in a marked decline in performance for teams and players.

There was a guy who made a killing in the lockout season. You know why? He bet the under in every game. His philosophy was that with teams playing more games back to back and more four out of fives that scoring would be depressed. He was right.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Mark Cuban's blog:

Back to Backs in the NBA
Posted on December 21, 2005
I dont think anyone questions the perspective that teams playing on the 2nd game of back to backs are at a
disadvantage. Beyond fatique, the impact of travel, trying to adjust to time zone changes and more add up to make it
difficult for players and teams. Heck, I get tired from them, I cant imagine how tough it is on the guys.

Opinion aside, I decided to do some homework. With the help of Elias Sports and our stats gurus from Indiana
University, we were able to quantify the impact of both back to back games and 4 games in 5 nights.

Rather than providing the statistical mumbo jumbo, which wouldnt make sense without all the background and other
data, suffice it to say, that our analysis provides us with a comparison between any given team and what we feel to be
an average team. The best teams would be expected to win by 5 to 8 points at home against this average team. Less on
the road. THe worst teams would lose to the average team by 7 to 10 points at home.

For this season, through december 15th, the 2nd game of a back to back makes a team 3.5 points worst. In other
words, the best teams are still good, but on the 2nd game of back to back, particularly on the road, they become much
closer to average. Making them beatable.

Its far worse for the 4th game in 5 nights. ON those nights, a team is 8 points worse. Again, more on the road. So
basically, a team should lose to just about any but the worst teams if they are on the road.

Meaning, that the schedule gods can have a HUGE impact on the standings. That the day the Circus or a concert
is scheduled at your arena could block out a night, that would in turn force the schedule to create multiple 4 game in
5 nights situation and possibly cost a playoff seeding !

I dont have the number of either for this season as a whole yet. Im sure someone out there can get it done if so
inclined.

What i did get back from our friends at Elias are the W L records per team for the 2nd game of a back to back over
the last 5 years and through the 15th of dec for thisyear.

ATL 2001-02 Won-Lost: 8-14

ATL 2002-03 Won-Lost: 9-14

ATL 2003-04 Won-Lost: 7-14

ATL 2004-05 Won-Lost: 4-19

ATL 2005-06 Won-Lost: 0- 5

BOS 2001-02 Won-Lost: 7-13

BOS 2002-03 Won-Lost: 9-10

BOS 2003-04 Won-Lost: 8- 9

BOS 2004-05 Won-Lost: 12- 8

BOS 2005-06 Won-Lost: 1- 5

CHA 2004-05 Won-Lost: 6-17

CHA 2005-06 Won-Lost: 4- 4

CHI 2001-02 Won-Lost: 5-18

CHI 2002-03 Won-Lost: 5-18

CHI 2003-04 Won-Lost: 5-17

CHI 2004-05 Won-Lost: 13- 9

CHI 2005-06 Won-Lost: 4- 2

CLE 2001-02 Won-Lost: 6-17

CLE 2002-03 Won-Lost: 5-19

CLE 2003-04 Won-Lost: 8-12

CLE 2004-05 Won-Lost: 6-14

CLE 2005-06 Won-Lost: 1- 3

DAL 2001-02 Won-Lost: 13- 6

DAL 2002-03 Won-Lost: 11- 5

DAL 2003-04 Won-Lost: 12- 7

DAL 2004-05 Won-Lost: 12- 6

DAL 2005-06 Won-Lost: 3- 3

DEN 2001-02 Won-Lost: 4-16

DEN 2002-03 Won-Lost: 6-18

DEN 2003-04 Won-Lost: 11-12

DEN 2004-05 Won-Lost: 9-11

DEN 2005-06 Won-Lost: 2- 4

DET 2001-02 Won-Lost: 13-10

DET 2002-03 Won-Lost: 11-13

DET 2003-04 Won-Lost: 15- 8

DET 2004-05 Won-Lost: 12- 9

DET 2005-06 Won-Lost: 5- 2

GS 2001-02 Won-Lost: 5-18

GS 2002-03 Won-Lost: 10-10

GS 2003-04 Won-Lost: 9-13

GS 2004-05 Won-Lost: 9-11

GS 2005-06 Won-Lost: 2- 3

HOU 2001-02 Won-Lost: 4-15

HOU 2002-03 Won-Lost: 13- 8

HOU 2003-04 Won-Lost: 12- 7

HOU 2004-05 Won-Lost: 9- 7

HOU 2005-06 Won-Lost: 1- 4

IND 2001-02 Won-Lost: 10-13

IND 2002-03 Won-Lost: 12-11

IND 2003-04 Won-Lost: 15- 7

IND 2004-05 Won-Lost: 10-13

IND 2005-06 Won-Lost: 2- 3

LAC 2001-02 Won-Lost: 5-16

LAC 2002-03 Won-Lost: 6-13

LAC 2003-04 Won-Lost: 8-15

LAC 2004-05 Won-Lost: 10-12

LAC 2005-06 Won-Lost: 2- 3

LAL 2001-02 Won-Lost: 8-11

LAL 2002-03 Won-Lost: 11- 8

LAL 2003-04 Won-Lost: 10- 9

LAL 2004-05 Won-Lost: 5-14

LAL 2005-06 Won-Lost: 1- 4

MEM 2001-02 Won-Lost: 3-13

MEM 2002-03 Won-Lost: 6-14

MEM 2003-04 Won-Lost: 11-10

MEM 2004-05 Won-Lost: 12-11

MEM 2005-06 Won-Lost: 4- 3

MIA 2001-02 Won-Lost: 13- 9

MIA 2002-03 Won-Lost: 4-16

MIA 2003-04 Won-Lost: 10-13

MIA 2004-05 Won-Lost: 10- 6

MIA 2005-06 Won-Lost: 2- 4

MIL 2001-02 Won-Lost: 11- 9

MIL 2002-03 Won-Lost: 9-14

MIL 2003-04 Won-Lost: 10-10

MIL 2004-05 Won-Lost: 8-12

MIL 2005-06 Won-Lost: 4- 2

MIN 2001-02 Won-Lost: 10- 9

MIN 2002-03 Won-Lost: 12- 8

MIN 2003-04 Won-Lost: 13- 7

MIN 2004-05 Won-Lost: 9-12

MIN 2005-06 Won-Lost: 2- 2

NJ 2001-02 Won-Lost: 12- 8

NJ 2002-03 Won-Lost: 10-10

NJ 2003-04 Won-Lost: 7-13

NJ 2004-05 Won-Lost: 9-11

NJ 2005-06 Won-Lost: 2- 3

CHA 2001-02 Won-Lost: 8-11

NO 2002-03 Won-Lost: 11-11

NO 2003-04 Won-Lost: 11-11

NO 2004-05 Won-Lost: 5-18

NOK 2005-06 Won-Lost: 2- 4

NY 2001-02 Won-Lost: 7-10

NY 2002-03 Won-Lost: 2-17

NY 2003-04 Won-Lost: 10-10

NY 2004-05 Won-Lost: 5-16

NY 2005-06 Won-Lost: 1- 2

ORL 2001-02 Won-Lost: 6-15

ORL 2002-03 Won-Lost: 7-12

ORL 2003-04 Won-Lost: 5-15

ORL 2004-05 Won-Lost: 10-11

ORL 2005-06 Won-Lost: 2- 4

PHI 2001-02 Won-Lost: 9-12

PHI 2002-03 Won-Lost: 12- 8

PHI 2003-04 Won-Lost: 6-13

PHI 2004-05 Won-Lost: 10- 9

PHI 2005-06 Won-Lost: 3- 4

PHO 2001-02 Won-Lost: 6-13

PHO 2002-03 Won-Lost: 6-14

PHO 2003-04 Won-Lost: 6-15

PHO 2004-05 Won-Lost: 17- 5

PHO 2005-06 Won-Lost: 2- 4

POR 2001-02 Won-Lost: 10-13

POR 2002-03 Won-Lost: 11-12

POR 2003-04 Won-Lost: 9- 8

POR 2004-05 Won-Lost: 7-13

POR 2005-06 Won-Lost: 1- 3

SAC 2001-02 Won-Lost: 13- 9

SAC 2002-03 Won-Lost: 11- 8

SAC 2003-04 Won-Lost: 7-12

SAC 2004-05 Won-Lost: 7-10

SAC 2005-06 Won-Lost: 1- 5

SA 2001-02 Won-Lost: 17- 4

SA 2002-03 Won-Lost: 13- 5

SA 2003-04 Won-Lost: 13- 6

SA 2004-05 Won-Lost: 10- 9

SA 2005-06 Won-Lost: 0- 3

SEA 2001-02 Won-Lost: 9-13

SEA 2002-03 Won-Lost: 9-11

SEA 2003-04 Won-Lost: 11-12

SEA 2004-05 Won-Lost: 11- 8

SEA 2005-06 Won-Lost: 2- 2

TOR 2001-02 Won-Lost: 10- 9

TOR 2002-03 Won-Lost: 1-17

TOR 2003-04 Won-Lost: 4-12

TOR 2004-05 Won-Lost: 5-12

TOR 2005-06 Won-Lost: 1- 5

UTA 2001-02 Won-Lost: 10-11

UTA 2002-03 Won-Lost: 9-10

UTA 2003-04 Won-Lost: 8-12

UTA 2004-05 Won-Lost: 6-15

UTA 2005-06 Won-Lost: 2- 5

WAS 2001-02 Won-Lost: 7-13

WAS 2002-03 Won-Lost: 12- 9

WAS 2003-04 Won-Lost: 7-14

WAS 2004-05 Won-Lost: 11-12

WAS 2005-06 Won-Lost: 2- 3

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Bosh could have played with Howard and would have opened his game up. Oh well. Fuck him. Hope they let Parsons walk now

[Pitt Gorilla]

Riley was just given a gut punch and reacted in the worst possible fashion. This was an opportunity to get out from under a really bad contract in Wade and an overpay with Bosh, but he's going to soak up cap space and sacrifice draft position while winning 40 games a yearRiley's true colors shown through with the Bosh contract.

[-King-]

Oh really? The 50th best player in the NBA averages 20 ppg, 5apg, 5rpg, while shooting 54% from the floor....all the while being hobbled? UNREAL



Lebron
Durant
Bosh
Paul
Griffin
Rose
Joakim Noah
Melo
Love
Lowry
George
Stephenson
Rondo
Howard
Harden
Dirk
Curry
Thompson
Irving
Lillard


20 random players. Tell me which ones Wade is better than.

[Urc Burry]

Lebron
Durant
Bosh
Paul
Griffin
Rose
Joakim Noah
Melo
Love
Lowry
George
Stephenson
Rondo
Howard
Harden
Dirk
Curry
Thompson
Irving
Lillard


20 random players. Tell me which ones Wade is better than.
Thompson, Stephenson, and Lowry at least. Wade is a shell of his former self, but calling him top 50 is ridiculous.

[BWillie]

Lebron
Durant
Bosh
Paul
Griffin
Rose
Joakim Noah
Melo
Love
Lowry
George
Stephenson
Rondo
Howard
Harden
Dirk
Curry
Thompson
Irving
Lillard


20 random players. Tell me which ones Wade is better than.
LOLOLOL you have Bosh at #3. I still cant stop laughing

[SAUTO]

LOLOLOL you have Bosh at #3. I still cant stop laughing
I think he meant random as random
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[tk13]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Cavs in talks with free agent center Chris &quot;Birdman&quot; Andersen, sources tell <a href="https://twitter.com/FOXSportsOH">@FOXSportsOH</a>.</p>&mdash; Sam Amico (@SamAmicoFSO) <a href="https://twitter.com/SamAmicoFSO/statuses/487789150993526785">July 12, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[-King-]

LOLOLOL you have Bosh at #3. I still cant stop laughing

It isn't in any order you jackass.

[-King-]

Thompson, Stephenson, and Lowry at least. Wade is a shell of his former self, but calling him top 50 is ridiculous.

:spock: Are you serious? You'd take Wade over those 3?

Here's 30 more players. I could also add some role players that have more impact on an everyday basis than Wade too. Wade isn't a top 50 player.

David Lee
Beal
Wall
Davis
MCW
Isaiah Thomas
Dragic
Aldridge
J. Green
Ibaka
Westbrook
Parker
R. Jackson
Deng
Ellis
Tyreke Evans
Pekovic
Parsons
Deron Willlliams
DeRozan
P. Gasol
Mark Gasol
Gortat
Danny Green
Leonard
Lopez
JR Smith
Ty Lawson
Al Horford
Holiday

[Urc Burry]

Yeah, he might not even be top 20..probably closer to 25. But seriously listing people like Tyreke?

[mcaj22]

:spock: Are you serious? You'd take Wade over those 3?

Here's 30 more players. I could also add some role players that have more impact on an everyday basis than Wade too. Wade isn't a top 50 player.

David Lee
Beal
Wall
Davis
MCW
Isaiah Thomas
Dragic
Aldridge
J. Green
Ibaka
Westbrook
Parker
R. Jackson
Deng
Ellis
Tyreke Evans
Pekovic
Parsons
Deron Willlliams
DeRozan
P. Gasol
Mark Gasol
Gortat
Danny Green
Leonard
Lopez
JR Smith
Ty Lawson
Al Horford
Holiday


youre pushing it with this list. lot of overrated hot garbage on there

[RustShack]

Hamas has been a dumb ass regarding Wade and Bosh for 4 years now glad to see he is still keeping it up.

Yeah I've noticed he's basketball retarded from this thread.

[-King-]

youre pushing it with this list. lot of overrated hot garbage on there

And what's Wade? Once again, we're talking about a guy that can't even play back to backs. A guy that was supposedly being saved for the playoffs, yet could only manage 15-4-3 in the Finals. What do you think he'd play like if he had to play a whole season? Or if the players on that list were given the same playing schedule he was?

[Just Passin' By]

youre pushing it with this list. lot of overrated hot garbage on there

He was pushing it with the first list. He's lost his mind with the second.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

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[-King-]

He was pushing it with the first list. He's lost his mind with the second.

Which names on the first list would you replace with Wade?

[chiefzilla1501]

In 2015-16 LeBron will be making about 24MM, Irving 18MM and Wiggins 6. That's $48 million committed to those three guys. Good luck finding another 19 for Love.

If we are talking about one year only, the trade for Brandon Haywood is going to give the Cavs well over $10M in monopoly money to spend above the cap.

[KC_Connection]

Well Jordan needed 2 or 3, so just having Kyrie Irving probably isn't going to do it. And as much as I think Kobe is a ball hogging shit machine at times, he did only need 1 or 2.
It's more like Shaq needed Kobe for the first three. On the second two, Gasol was a top 5 player in basketball himself.

[KC_Connection]

No. It was. Now he's a face-up guy with half of a face-up game. If he was good at breaking someone down off the dribble now, Miami would have spaced the floor and let him do it with a bench unit while LeBron got a blow, and they would have used it as a secondary offensive option to take bigger players away from the paint and get their foul counts up. Alas, that never happened. He camps from 20 feet out and shoots open jumpers now.

I don't think many people understand the way the NBA works. A number one option on any team is going to score almost 20 points a game just based upon the volume of possessions they use.

Shit, Kevin Martin is a near 20 PPG score for his career and he ****ing blows.
If Bosh is able to be the same efficient face-up player he was for Toronto, he'd be a decent #1 option offensively and could get them to the postseason (45 wins or so and a mid to low seed). But there's no real upside there and there's certanly no guarantee at all he can even be that same player again. From Miami's perspective, the contract makes little sense to me.

[KC_Connection]

I actually read an article a few months back (it was one of those that talked about what a great #3/role player Bosh was for Miami) where Bosh basically said the old Bosh was dead and he was glad for it. So we'll see how it goes, but it likely doesn't end well at all.

[KC_Connection]

Thompson, Stephenson, and Lowry at least. Wade is a shell of his former self, but calling him top 50 is ridiculous.
Shell Wade isn't better than Lowry. At least not the 2013-2014 version of Lowry (who was one of the top 10-15 players in the NBA). I'd probably take Lance over him too.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Please show me your study and experience where you played back-to-back games and it severely hampered your ability to play basketball. BTW, 54 of 82 games is like over 65% of the games. So he had to play back to back games at some point. I'm sure D Wade could have played more games if they wanted him to, but it was a risk reward situation. The heat weren't' in a playoff hunt race, they were already a lock. There really wasn't any point in risking it.

Back to back nights, dumb fuck. Jesus christ.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Hamas has been a dumb ass regarding Wade and Bosh for 4 years now glad to see he is still keeping it up.

Right. Chris "0 points in Game 7 of the Finals" Bosh is a max contract guy and Dwyane Wade doesn't have a three foot fork sticking out of his back.

Your hardon for Wade makes you completely irrational.

Truth is, if those guys were merely 80% of what they were before all three of them joined together Miami likely wins at least three titles. As is, neither Wade nor Bosh was capable of carrying that team for any real stretch of time and Miami rode LeBron so hard that he started sputtering.

Bosh is Ryan Anderson with a worst outside shot and more opportunities for cheapies at this point in his career.

[KC_Connection]

Vince signing with the Grizzlies. Love the signing, it's a great fit. With a healthy Gasol, they're just as good as anybody in the West.

[Al Bundy]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Vince Carter has agreed to a three-year, $12M deal with Memphis, league source tells Yahoo Sports.</p>&mdash; Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA) <a href="https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/statuses/487805373039247362">July 12, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[okcchief]

So Bosh didn't sign with Houston after they cleared room? Wow!

I figured Thunder would miss out on Pau. Still hoping for an upgrade at the 2 or a shooter. People are jumping off the bridge here, but I think they forget they were 5 seconds from a game 7 with a one legged Ibaka in the WCF and are just replacing 3 shit players.

Jackson and Lamb will be better.

McGary looks ready to contribute now.

Don't need an all star just a couple of role players. The Perkins contract will just fuck them this one last year. Hopefully they can deal him and act by the all star break.

Would have loved to have Gasol, but can't make him want to come here. Lots of good options for him.

Hoping they can just get Miller or Morrow and maybe trade for someone like Dunleavy.

No shooters on this team. It's been a need for 6 years.

[DaKCMan AP]

And what's Wade? Once again, we're talking about a guy that can't even play back to backs. A guy that was supposedly being saved for the playoffs, yet could only manage 15-4-3 in the Finals. What do you think he'd play like if he had to play a whole season? Or if the players on that list were given the same playing schedule he was?

You have Kyrie Irving on your top-20 list yet he has averaged only 60 games per season and is a career 45% shooter (it's declined each year he's played).

You have Rose on your list yet he's played 49 games total in the last 2 years. Yet Wade's the broken down trash.

You have Rondo on your list yet he hasn't played more than 68 games in a year over the last 4 years. He's only played 68 games in the last 2 years combined.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

If you want a list of 50 players better than Wade at this point in their career, here it is, in no specific order:

1. Kawhi Leonard
2. Tony Parker
3. Tim Duncan
4. Kevin Durant
5. Russell Westbrook
6. Serge Ibaka
7. Dwight Howard
8. James Harden
9. Chris Paul
10. Blake Griffin
11. Steph Curry
12. Klay Thompson
13. Damien Lillard
14. LaMarcus Aldridge
15. Boogie Cousins
16. Isaiah Thomas
17. Goran Dragic
18. Eric Bledsoe
19. Marcin Gortat
20. Kevin Love
21. Zach Randolph
22. Mike Conley
23. Marc Gasol
24. Ty Lawson
25. Gordon Heyward
26. Anthony Davis
27. Jrue Holliday
28. Paul George
29. Lance Stephenson
30. LeBron James
31. Chris Bosh
32. Kyle Lowry
33. DeMar Derozan
34. Deron Williams
35. Brook Lopez
36. Joe Johnson
37. John Wall
38. Bradley Beal
39. Al Jefferson
40. Rajon Rondo
41. Kyrie Irving
42. Carmelo Anthony
43. Derrick Rose
44. Joakim Noah
45. Luol Deng
46. Al Horford
47. Paul Milsap
48. Andre Drummond
49. Monta Ellis
50. Dirk

[KC_Connection]

I could maybe only argue against 5-10 of those. And even then, those guys play the full season.

[Miles]

Vince signing with the Grizzlies. Love the signing, it's a great fit. With a healthy Gasol, they're just as good as anybody in the West.

Agreed. Nice signing for them.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I could maybe only argue against 5-10 of those. And even then, those guys play the full season.

And that's not factoring in a lot of the young players and still ascending players. If you were to look at it from the perspective of current and future value, Wade is even further down the list.

[KCCHIEFS27]

If pau goes to SA you might as well sign them up for another nba finals

[Pitt Gorilla]

So Bosh didn't sign with Houston after they cleared room? Wow!

I figured Thunder would miss out on Pau. Still hoping for an upgrade at the 2 or a shooter. People are jumping off the bridge here, but I think they forget they were 5 seconds from a game 7 with a one legged Ibaka in the WCF and are just replacing 3 shit players.

Jackson and Lamb will be better.

McGary looks ready to contribute now.

Don't need an all star just a couple of role players. The Perkins contract will just **** them this one last year. Hopefully they can deal him and act by the all star break.

Would have loved to have Gasol, but can't make him want to come here. Lots of good options for him.

Hoping they can just get Miller or Morrow and maybe trade for someone like Dunleavy.

No shooters on this team. It's been a need for 6 years.Who are the Thunder getting for their trade exception?

[okcchief]

Who are the Thunder getting for their trade exception?
You realize trade exceptions are rarely used right? Of course you don't.

[okcchief]

Vince signing with the Grizzlies. Love the signing, it's a great fit. With a healthy Gasol, they're just as good as anybody in the West.
Agreed.

[-King-]

If pau goes to SA you might as well sign them up for another nba finals

Yeah I just saw that. Pau is Tiago Splitter on performance enhancers. Would be a great system fit and a great signing overall.

[kcxiv]

Spurs dont have the money. They want pau on like a 5 million a year. Im hearing he wants more then that, at least 9-10.

[okcchief]

Bulls and Lakers are completing a sign and trade for Gasol. Bullet dodged there :)

[okcchief]

The Thunder are more interested in resigning Reggie than paying Gasol apparently. Hopefully they can do it before October because I have a feeling his stocks going up next year.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

@chicagobullsbot: Chicago Bulls and LA Lakers are finalizing a sign-and-trade deal that will send Pau Gasol to the Bulls. (Source: Jesús Sánchez/Marca). Will help persuade Melo.

[KevB]

Really like Vince to my Grizzlies. It gives them a finisher at SF, something they haven't had in a while.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

@BullsSource: Chicago Bulls basically offering Melo $15m-$16m/yr for two seasons, and then a full 4yr/$97m max the following season. This could happen tomorrow

[Direckshun]

@BullsSource: Chicago Bulls basically offering Melo relevance for two seasons, and then four years of the mediocrity that follows Melo everywhere he goes, before he demands release to join some other team. This could happen because of course it will.

FYP

[Chiefs Pantalones]

FYP

Lol Melo is a paycheck player. If he goes to CHI I'll be shocked and proved wrong.

[Pitt Gorilla]

You realize trade exceptions are rarely used right? Of course you don't.No, I didn't; that's why I asked you the question. I heard they had one and figured you, of anyone, might know.

What's with the need to be a dick?

[Miles]

@BullsSource: Chicago Bulls basically offering Melo $15m-$16m/yr for two seasons, and then a full 4yr/$97m max the following season. This could happen tomorrow

I figure he takes the 120M+ that NYK can pay him. 2 yrs 32M would easily be the biggest paycut a star has taken in their prime or otherwise.

[Miles]

Bulls and Lakers are completing a sign and trade for Gasol. Bullet dodged there :)

Bullet dodged?

[Miles]

The Thunder are more interested in resigning Reggie than paying Gasol apparently. Hopefully they can do it before October because I have a feeling his stocks going up next year.

It's been an odd market for guards so far. Pretty much everyone is getting paid more than you would expect and then the Kings let Isaiah Thomas go for 4 yrs 27M.

[-King-]

@BullsSource: Chicago Bulls basically offering Melo $15m-$16m/yr for two seasons, and then a full 4yr/$97m max the following season. This could happen tomorrow

I don't understand why his max would only be 97 million after his first two seasons there. It would be 129+ mil.

[mcaj22]

Can someone explain to me how the Suns acquiring Isiah Thomas makes any sense?

Won't they run into the same problem with him that the Kings did?

The Kings didnt see him as a starter and Thomas thinks hes a starter so he wanted out, but goes to a team that has Dragic and Bledsoe that sees him as the third guard anyway, so he's still not a starter. Won't the cycle just repeat itself?

how do you have a guy who averaged 20 and 6 sit that much? I know his shooting his low, but like someone said in this very thread he looks similar on paper as Kyrie Irving

['Hamas' Jenkins]

It's been an odd market for guards so far. Pretty much everyone is getting paid more than you would expect and then the Kings let Isaiah Thomas go for 4 yrs 27M.

Meanwhile, 31 year old Channing Frye gets 4-31. Thomas needs to string his agent up.

I don't understand why his max would only be 97 million after his first two seasons there. It would be 129+ mil.

The Bulls wouldn't have full Bird rights on him after two years, which affects both their ability to go over the cap for him, and the number of years they can give him. After year three, he could sign a full max extension.

[GloryDayz]

Wow... I think Cleveland is giddy to have him back....

[MVChiefFan]

Can someone explain to me how the Suns acquiring Isiah Thomas makes any sense?

Won't they run into the same problem with him that the Kings did?

The Kings didnt see him as a starter and Thomas thinks hes a starter so he wanted out, but goes to a team that has Dragic and Bledsoe that sees him as the third guard anyway, so he's still not a starter. Won't the cycle just repeat itself?

how do you have a guy who averaged 20 and 6 sit that much? I know his shooting his low, but like someone said in this very thread he looks similar on paper as Kyrie Irving

I don't know, it's strange. I'm a long time Suns fan and was excited about their season last year. I was also excited about the offseason since we have so much money available but, so far, they've done next to nothing. I like Thomas, but the move is bizarre. The last thing they needed was another PG. Unless, there is some kind of trade in the works, this makes little sense.

[ChiefsCountry]

Bledsoe could be on his way out of Phoenix.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Bledsoe is a RFA. He's not going anywhere. If they traded for Thomas and someone is going, it's Dragic.

[okcchief]

No, I didn't; that's why I asked you the question. I heard they had one and figured you, of anyone, might know.

What's with the need to be a dick?
Since every post you make to me is a Thunder troll I assumed the same. It expired last night. Honestly there weren't a lot of players they could have acquired in a straight up deal. Here is a good article on it.

http://dailythunder.com/2014/07/the-kevin-martin-trade-exception-expires-today/#more-30358

Messing around with Gasol they let Carter and Miller slip on by. The only hope now is Morrow who they aren't even linking to OKC anymore. OKC will compete because they have Durant and Westbrook, but again aren't doing much to help them out. I expect them to bring in a couple of shells like Butler and Lewis. Extremely frustrating, but again they targeted the right players, and I have no clue what the negotiations looked like.

The Perkins contract haunts them. Without that they have the ability to either re-sign Harden or use the money more wisely. To attract free agents here you have to overpay them. Westbrook and Durant don't have that Lebron magnet. I think some of it has to do with them being seen as ball hogs, but I've seen them both try to be unselfish without teammates to finish the plays. Without a solid shooter or 2 I'm afraid this team won't get any further than its been. There is still hope I suppose if they can unload Perk by the all star break.

I think what I would do is overpay Allen or Miller to draw them from the Cavs. That is the kind of player they desperately need.

Presti has a very patient approach and it's been a big part of what has gotten them this far. They don't like to make panic moves to jeopardize their future. However, if they don't give them players they trust it will be all for naught and Knicks and Lakers fans can start to get excited. As I've always said I won't blame them one bit. If they can't finish the job in the next 2 seasons they should look at other options. OKC may still be the best at that point. It depends on how Jackson, Ibaka, Adams, McGary and Lamb develop.

I won't lie. I'm extremely disappointed with this offseason so far. McGary is the only bright spot so far.

[okcchief]

Bullet dodged?
Didn't want Pau with the Spurs.

[okcchief]

It's been an odd market for guards so far. Pretty much everyone is getting paid more than you would expect and then the Kings let Isaiah Thomas go for 4 yrs 27M.
The market all around has beem crazy. I suppose the bright side is OKC hasn't committed themselves to a contract they'll regret. They are still paying for the one they agreed to four years ago though.

[TEX]

Lol Melo is a paycheck player. If he goes to CHI I'll be shocked and proved wrong.

Yep. As is Bosh (nothing wrong with that) except Melo has never won anything...That's why I gained more respect for Dwight Howard - he told the Lakers to keep their MAX 5-year - deal and signed elsewhere for "less" all be it still a very significant MAX 4-year-deal.

[MVChiefFan]

Bledsoe is a RFA. He's not going anywhere. If they traded for Thomas and someone is going, it's Dragic.

Yeah, this. I think they're pretty high on Bledsoe, as they should be. I really like Dragic too, but there just isn't room for everyone. They made a pretty hard push to trade for Love at the deadline last year, but I haven't really heard much about that lately.

[PunkinDrublic]

Really like Vince to my Grizzlies. It gives them a finisher at SF, something they haven't had in a while.

Would have liked him to stay in Dallas but not at that price.

[RustShack]

Ray Allen and Mike Miller are signing with the Cavs. Cavs also in talks with the Birdman.

[mcaj22]

do the Cavs plan on going 15 deep or do they plan on trading some of the current bums on their roster (Waiters, Bennett, etc) because Lebrons pals arent signing so current Cavs scrubbies can play over them that's for sure.

[RustShack]

do the Cavs plan on going 15 deep or do they plan on trading some of the current bums on their roster (Waiters, Bennett, etc) because Lebrons pals arent signing so current Cavs scrubbies can play over them that's for sure.

Well if you insist they are just scrubbies, then they probably wouldn't play over these guys huh? Kind if common sense you play the best people, but yeah we still have fill out the roster now. LeBron doesn't take up five spots.

[RustShack]

But yeah there's still a chance a few of those scrubbies go to Minnesota with picks.

[SAUTO]

Waiters is a bum?
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[mcaj22]

Well if you insist they are just scrubbies, then they probably wouldn't play over these guys huh? Kind if common sense you play the best people, but yeah we still have fill out the roster now. LeBron doesn't take up five spots.

it's pretty clear it's going to be an entire team of all Lebrons longtime Cavs and now Heat pals and all Lebrons way with no Wade or Bosh or Riley.

PG- Irving
SG- Allen,Miller
SF - Lebron, Wiggins
PF - Thompson
C - Big Andy, Birdman

I think they trade Waiters/Bennett and fill out the roster with more Lebrons pals

not that that's a bad thing. Good mix of young and old talent now.

[chiefzilla1501]

do the Cavs plan on going 15 deep or do they plan on trading some of the current bums on their roster (Waiters, Bennett, etc) because Lebrons pals arent signing so current Cavs scrubbies can play over them that's for sure.

What is your beef with Cleveland? Serious question.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

do the Cavs plan on going 15 deep or do they plan on trading some of the current bums on their roster (Waiters, Bennett, etc) because Lebrons pals arent signing so current Cavs scrubbies can play over them that's for sure.

They already jettisoned Jarrett Jack, Alonzo Gee, Karasev, and Tyler Zeller. Hawes left in FA, and Hopson was just a D-League guy.

Even if they added Allen and Miller, with Wiggins and James that's a four player swap.

[mcaj22]

What is your beef with Cleveland? Serious question.

I don't have a beef with Cleveland, I like Lebron, Irving, Allen, Miller, Birdman, some of those vets were my favorite players in the early/mid 2000s.

I got into it because the Cleveland fans overrate things on here for whatever reason. You guys argue that Cleveland never screws up, Anthony Bennett was a good pick because there was nobody else, Dion Waiters is a future all star, etc.

For a shit team they get treated on here like they were an Eastern Conference impact team, and that just wasn't the case for four years. Now it's obviously different.

You can't really get mad at someone for thinking Anthony Bennett is a worse #1 overall pick than even Eric Fisher. Because it's sadly true.

[mcaj22]

Jazz matched the offer for big Gordon Hayward. Now I don't blame him for making a ton of money on a team that will be terrible anyway.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

The Jazz bungled that. They could have signed him for 4-52 last year.

[Titty Meat]

That cock sucker David Stern ruined the Lakers when he voided the Chris Paul trade.

[lcarus]

The market all around has beem crazy. I suppose the bright side is OKC hasn't committed themselves to a contract they'll regret. They are still paying for the one they agreed to four years ago though.

If I was a Thunder fan I'd be happy that Pau Gasol isn't gonna end up in OKC. They don't need his soft old ass. He wouldn't be worth the contract they'd give him

[chiefzilla1501]

I don't have a beef with Cleveland, I like Lebron, Irving, Allen, Miller, Birdman, some of those vets were my favorite players in the early/mid 2000s.

I got into it because the Cleveland fans overrate things on here for whatever reason. You guys argue that Cleveland never screws up, Anthony Bennett was a good pick because there was nobody else, Dion Waiters is a future all star, etc.

For a shit team they get treated on here like they were an Eastern Conference impact team, and that just wasn't the case for four years. Now it's obviously different.

You can't really get mad at someone for thinking Anthony Bennett is a worse #1 overall pick than even Eric Fisher. Because it's sadly true.

I think you're confusing "you guys" with one person. The majority of Cleveland fans you talk to know everything about their sports city sucks. It's not like Raiders fans, who suck but always think they're great. Cleveland fans think their teams are terrible and rather than be surprised when good things happen, usually chalk it up to "it's not going to last." And most of the time, they're right.

[tk13]

I don't have a beef with Cleveland, I like Lebron, Irving, Allen, Miller, Birdman, some of those vets were my favorite players in the early/mid 2000s.

I got into it because the Cleveland fans overrate things on here for whatever reason. You guys argue that Cleveland never screws up, Anthony Bennett was a good pick because there was nobody else, Dion Waiters is a future all star, etc.

For a shit team they get treated on here like they were an Eastern Conference impact team, and that just wasn't the case for four years. Now it's obviously different.

You can't really get mad at someone for thinking Anthony Bennett is a worse #1 overall pick than even Eric Fisher. Because it's sadly true.

I wouldn't base Cleveland fans on RustShack. That guy is the ultimate homer. Most Cleveland fans are probably even more jaded and cynical than KC fans.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

If I was a Thunder fan I'd be happy that Pau Gasol isn't gonna end up in OKC. They don't need his soft old ass. He wouldn't be worth the contract they'd give him

Gasol's passing and post game is exactly what OKC needs. He'd make that offense damned near unstoppable.

Imagine a crunch time five of Westbrook, Reggie Jackson, Durant, Gasol, and Ibaka. That gives you elite perimeter defense with an elite rim protector, a transcendent post passer, three great finishers, two guys who can get their own shots, and two bigs you can run the pick and pop with.

[chiefzilla1501]

Gasol's passing and post game is exactly what OKC needs. He'd make that offense damned near unstoppable.

Imagine a crunch time five of Westbrook, Reggie Jackson, Durant, Gasol, and Ibaka. That gives you elite perimeter defense with an elite rim protector, a transcendent post passer, three great finishers, two guys who can get their own shots, and two bigs you can run the pick and pop with.

He's also not Kendrick Perkins. Then again, that probably still won't stop Brooks from giving Perkins 20 minutes a game.

[RustShack]

No possible way we are trading any of that young talent on the roster unless it's for a great player like Love. But Wiggins isn't on the table, sure we'd love to land Love, but we aren't desperate. LeBron loves Wiggins, and even down the road Wiggins could help LeBron get a few rings. Cavs are set up perfect to become a dynasty.

[RustShack]

I'm used to losing and typically don't expect great things. But yeah after Fred Hoiberg, Andy Reid, and now LBJ... I expect a lot of great things for my teams. Especially my basketball ones. Wouldn't surprise my if the Cavs and Cyclones win a championship the same season soon :)

[tk13]

No possible way we are trading any of that young talent on the roster unless it's for a great player like Love. But Wiggins isn't on the table, sure we'd love to land Love, but we aren't desperate. LeBron loves Wiggins, and even down the road Wiggins could help LeBron get a few rings. Cavs are set up perfect to become a dynasty.

LeBron loves Wiggins so much he didn't even mention him in the letter yesterday. Don't kid yourself. If LeBron really wants Love they'll give up what it takes to get him.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

No possible way we are trading any of that young talent on the roster unless it's for a great player like Love. But Wiggins isn't on the table, sure we'd love to land Love, but we aren't desperate. LeBron loves Wiggins, and even down the road Wiggins could help LeBron get a few rings. Cavs are set up perfect to become a dynasty.

They need another legit big. Tristan Thompson isn't good enough.

[Discuss Thrower]

They need another legit big. Tristan Thompson isn't good enough.

Shaq is still pretty spry. Saw him dunking on 100 1st graders.

[chiefzilla1501]

They need another legit big. Tristan Thompson isn't good enough.

Varejao and Haywood will rotate minutes, and I'm guessing Andersen will be added to the mix. Tristan should go back where he belongs, which is Power Forward. It's serviceable and a lot better than what the Heat had in terms of grinders down low. They could really use a Big who can shoot to create spacing. They have to hope that Bennett can start doing that from the Power Forward spot.

But these are reasons why Lebron said they're not ready yet. I agree.

[mcaj22]

Varejao and Haywood will rotate minutes, and I'm guessing Andersen will be added to the mix. Tristan should go back where he belongs, which is Power Forward. It's serviceable and a lot better than what the Heat had in terms of grinders down low. They could really use a Big who can shoot to create spacing. They have to hope that Bennett can start doing that from the Power Forward spot.

But these are reasons why Lebron said they're not ready yet. I agree.

Lebron hates having two big clunky guys at PF and C clog the lane. He loves himself a stretch 4. (insert Kevin Love).

[chiefzilla1501]

Lebron hates having two big clunky guys at PF and C clog the lane. He loves himself a stretch 4. (insert Kevin Love).

It's why Varejao is not a bad option at Center. He's an extremely active rebounder especially on offense and even though he doesn't shoot much, he tends to move around vs. posting up. That's assuming you can keep him healthy. They definitely need an outside shooting Big. Bennett can hopefully at least become a spot up shooter, and it's a real shame they didn't make a play for Hawes.

[-King-]

LeBron loves Wiggins so much he didn't even mention him in the letter yesterday. Don't kid yourself. If LeBron really wants Love they'll give up what it takes to get him.

Exactly. Lebron has more pull than both the coach and GM there.
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[mcaj22]

It's why Varejao is not a bad option at Center. He's an extremely active rebounder especially on offense and even though he doesn't shoot much, he tends to move around vs. posting up. That's assuming you can keep him healthy. They definitely need an outside shooting Big. Bennett can hopefully at least become a spot up shooter, and it's a real shame they didn't make a play for Hawes.

there isn't many stretch 4s left out there which is why Hawes and Frye got massively overpaid.

[-King-]

Melo officially going back to the Knicks
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[LiL stumppy]

melo back to the knicks

[RealSNR]

And with that, expect Chicago to make some heavy bids for Kevin Love.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Paycheck player Melo going back to NY. Shocker.

[RustShack]

LeBron loves Wiggins so much he didn't even mention him in the letter yesterday. Don't kid yourself. If LeBron really wants Love they'll give up what it takes to get him.

He likes him enough to follow on twitter which he doesn't follow a whole bunch of peope. He was also following wiggins and not Parker who everyone for some reason thought should have been the top pick. You must be pretty good for you to follow as a college player.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Morrow signs with OKC. Huge get for them.

[tk13]

He likes him enough to follow on twitter which he doesn't follow a whole bunch of peope. He was also following wiggins and not Parker who everyone for some reason thought should have been the top pick. You must be pretty good for you to follow as a college player.

Wiggins was the most highly thought of high school player in years.

He wrote that letter listing all those Cavs players he was excited to work with and didn't mention Wiggins. You know that's not a coincidence. That letter was carefully thought out. I'm sure he'd be fine playing with the guy... but he didn't want to mention him in case he got traded for Love. You know that wasn't an oversight. Who he follows on Twitter is irrelevant.

[Mr. Laz]

And with that, expect Chicago to make some heavy bids for Kevin Love.

actually i think Chicago is going after Gasol

[RealSNR]

actually i think Chicago is going after Gasol

I thought he had already been signed for some reason.

Never mind, then.

[Ceej]

I'm used to losing and typically don't expect great things. But yeah after Fred Hoiberg, Andy Reid, and now LBJ... I expect a lot of great things for my teams. Especially my basketball ones. Wouldn't surprise my if the Cavs and Cyclones win a championship the same season soon :)


Sure, like maybe a conference championship.

[Miles]

Morrow is a nice signing for OKC. Plays no D but great shooter.

[-King-]

He likes him enough to follow on twitter which he doesn't follow a whole bunch of peope. He was also following wiggins and not Parker who everyone for some reason thought should have been the top pick. You must be pretty good for you to follow as a college player.

He follows 250+ people. That's a bunch. He also follows Kevin love so...
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[Miles]

Didn't want Pau with the Spurs.

Agreed. He would be perfect there with Pop managing his minutes.

[Pitt Gorilla]

If I was a Thunder fan I'd be happy that Pau Gasol isn't gonna end up in OKC. They don't need his soft old ass. He wouldn't be worth the contract they'd give himI think Thunder fans just didn't want him in SA.

[Pitt Gorilla]

No possible way we are trading any of that young talent on the roster unless it's for a great player like Love. But Wiggins isn't on the table, sure we'd love to land Love, but we aren't desperate. LeBron loves Wiggins, and even down the road Wiggins could help LeBron get a few rings. Cavs are set up perfect to become a dynasty.HTF do you know Wiggins isn't on the table?

[Miles]

HTF do you know Wiggins isn't on the table?

As painful as it is to defend this dumbass it has been reported from "multiple sources" Broussard.
3:49pm: The Cavs have told Wiggins he won’t be traded, but the Wolves continue to insist on his inclusion if they’re to give up Love, tweets Chris Broussard of ESPN.com, who says that the Cavs would have to bring a third team into the deal to find a workable solution.

[ohiobronco2]

I hope the Cavs don't trade Wiggins to get Love. Love is a great player, but Wiggins ceiling is too high for an oft injured one way player.

[chiefzilla1501]

I hope the Cavs don't trade Wiggins to get Love. Love is a great player, but Wiggins ceiling is too high for an oft injured one way player.

Well, I think no doubt Love would be great. I just hate the Big 3 route. Lebron is going on 30 and he can't keep playing every single minute. And I don't want another version of the Heat where you have 3 stars and massive gaps at 2 key positions. I just would prefer not to give out a 3rd max contract in exchange for a guy like Wiggins, who you're going to get at half the cost. And at the expense of future picks who can help you build that cheap depth.

[Miles]

Looking more like the Bulls are going to get Pau. Really nice move for them depending on the details.

[ChiefsCountry]

The Chicago "Paper Tiger" Bulls might finally break through this year. As of right now it will be either the Spurs or Thunder to win it all.

[-King-]

I hope the Cavs don't trade Wiggins to get Love. Love is a great player, but Wiggins ceiling is too high for an oft injured one way player.

Yes his ceiling is high, but I don't think he'll ever be a superstar. Being a Kevin Love type player I think would be where he maxes out as. I don't see him ever being a LeBron, KD, Kobe type player. So I would absolutely trade him for Love. If he turns out to be a superstar, it's not the greatest loss in the world. You'll still have Love and LeBron and you gained the ability to win now and in the future. With Wiggins instead of Love,the Cavs are in more of a win in the future type of approach.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Morrow seems like a great fit for the Thunder, if he can keep up the shooting.

[Miles]

Yes his ceiling is high, but I don't think he'll ever be a superstar. Being a Kevin Love type player I think would be where he maxes out as. I don't see him ever being a LeBron, KD, Kobe type player. So I would absolutely trade him for Love. If he turns out to be a superstar, it's not the greatest loss in the world. You'll still have Love and LeBron and you gained the ability to win now and in the future. With Wiggins instead of Love,the Cavs are in more of a win in the future type of approach.

Love is a top 10 player already and who knows if Wiggens ever gets there. However, Wiggins is locked into a rookie deal where Love would be a vet max on his next.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

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[The Bad Guy]

Besides the Nick Young contract last year, Kupchak has done absolutely nothing for me to have any faith in him moving forward.

Without Dr. Buss, Kupchak has added garbage upon garbage on this dumpster fire of an organization.

Yesterday was the nail in the coffin for Laker fans. Good thing he held Pau Gasol at last year's trading deadline.

No coach, trading for garbage Lin, giving Jordan Hill 9 mill on average and basically going into next season with a roster that's overpaid the garbage talent last year's team had and only adding a 35-year old broken down Kobe and Julius Randle is atrocious when you have cap space.

Kupchak's new mantra is "well we will have cap space in 15 and 16". It doesn't matter if no one will accept your money but god damn bottom feeders.

[ChiefsCountry]

Rockets look to have signed Ariza.

[penbrook]

Reason why LeBron James would sign a 2-year deal: Wants to be free for when new CBA is signed in 2016 to make max money. Business. Man.

[L.A. Chieffan]

Omg it's not even a sign and trade? What a fucking train wreck

[Urc Burry]

Reason why LeBron James would sign a 2-year deal: Wants to be free for when new CBA is signed in 2016 to make max money. Business. Man.

The man knows what he is doing. Genius

[The Bad Guy]

Rockets look to have signed Ariza.

Of course they did. Lakers helped them by essentially trading 8.4 million for a draft pick in the late 20s.

Fuck you Mitch, fuck you homeless looking Buss.

[ChiefsCountry]

Of course they did. Lakers helped them by essentially trading 8.4 million for a draft pick in the late 20s.

**** you Mitch, **** you homeless looking Buss.

Ironically that is the dollar amount that Ariza got.

[The Bad Guy]

Are the Lakers going to let Jordan Hill and Jeremy Lin pick the next coach?

Good thing there was no reason to be aggressive on that front. Obviously you want garbage coaches coaching garbage players.

[The Bad Guy]

Ironically that is the dollar amount that Ariza got.

More salt on the wound.

I'm just happy they paid Jordan Hill 9 million a year when he received zero other formal offers.

[mcaj22]

Lebron is totally teaming with Durant in 16 lol

[The Bad Guy]

I'm shocked that Houston let Parsons go though.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Nice value for Ariza. .

[KevB]

I'm shocked that Houston let Parsons go though.

They haven't decided on that from what I've read most recently. Wouldn't be surprised if they also bring him back.

[KevB]

Nice value for Ariza. .

We'll see, he's had two very good years in contract seasons. If he's a replacement for Parson's at roughly half the cost and he plays as well as last season, definitely good value.

[BigCatDaddy]

Reason why LeBron James would sign a 2-year deal: Wants to be free for when new CBA is signed in 2016 to make max money. Business. Man.

That and if they suck he can leave.

[vailpass]

Reason why LeBron James would sign a 2-year deal: Wants to be free for when new CBA is signed in 2016 to make max money. Business. Man.

Agent work. 101.

[chiefzilla1501]

Yes his ceiling is high, but I don't think he'll ever be a superstar. Being a Kevin Love type player I think would be where he maxes out as. I don't see him ever being a LeBron, KD, Kobe type player. So I would absolutely trade him for Love. If he turns out to be a superstar, it's not the greatest loss in the world. You'll still have Love and LeBron and you gained the ability to win now and in the future. With Wiggins instead of Love,the Cavs are in more of a win in the future type of approach.

I feel very confident that Wiggins is going to be a superstar defender. I know Lebron needs shooters especially with his bigs, but on the Cavs roster, he's going to need defensive help and Love is only going to make that problem worse. I think the Cavs need Wiggins a lot more than Love because of his cap flexibility, because it allows you to keep draft picks that can bring in fresh legs, and most importantly because of his defense. We have to stop looking at Lebron as a 40 minute player and start figuring out ways you can get Lebron out of a game and not completely implode. I think Wiggins is NBA ready defensively and you can take Lebron out, put Wiggins on the best defender, and let Kyrie and Dion take the shots. If you trade Wiggins for Love, that defensive lineup will be a disaster.

[Titty Meat]

Besides the Nick Young contract last year, Kupchak has done absolutely nothing for me to have any faith in him moving forward.

Without Dr. Buss, Kupchak has added garbage upon garbage on this dumpster fire of an organization.

Yesterday was the nail in the coffin for Laker fans. Good thing he held Pau Gasol at last year's trading deadline.

No coach, trading for garbage Lin, giving Jordan Hill 9 mill on average and basically going into next season with a roster that's overpaid the garbage talent last year's team had and only adding a 35-year old broken down Kobe and Julius Randle is atrocious when you have cap space.

Kupchak's new mantra is "well we will have cap space in 15 and 16". It doesn't matter if no one will accept your money but god damn bottom feeders.

Mitch is a dumbass but just how big of a dick is Kobe? Top 10 player all time with a bunch of cap space and not 1 star signed to play with him.

[Mr. Laz]

Pau Gasol tweets he's joining Bulls
Updated: July 12, 2014, 7:08 PM ET
By Brian Windhorst | ESPN.com

The Chicago Bulls have reached an agreement with free-agent center Pau Gasol on a multiyear deal.

Gasol announced that he had chosen the Bulls on his Twitter feed Saturday.

Discussions between Chicago and the Los Angeles Lakers on a sign-and-trade deal for Gasol broke down, so the four-time All-Star will sign directly with the Bulls, sources told ESPN.com.

Chicago currently does not have salary-cap space, so it will have to make roster moves to free room to add Gasol.

Carmelo Anthony would have been a perfect fit, but Pau Gasol isn't a bad consolation prize for the Bulls, Jon Greenberg writes. Story

If the Bulls are unable to work a last-minute trade of Carlos Boozer, it likely means they will have to release him via the amnesty provision and clear the forward's $16.8 million off their salary cap to make room for Gasol. The deadline for such a move is Wednesday.

Boozer then would be placed on waivers and teams with cap space could bid to pick up a portion of his contract. The team with the highest bid would get his services. With so many teams currently owning cap space, it is doubtful Boozer would pass through and become an unrestricted free agent.

The Bulls are also hoping to create additional cap space to sign 2011 first-round draft pick Nikola Mirotic, who reached a buyout agreement with his Spanish team last week with the intention of coming to the NBA. The 6-foot-10 power forward has been seen as an offseason priority for the Bulls as they look to bolster a strong front line that already includes Joakim Noah and Taj Gibson.

Gasol, one of the most coveted free agents on the market, was pursued aggressively by the San Antonio Spurs and Oklahoma City Thunder. He also had talks with the Miami Heat and Lakers, with whom he played six seasons and won two titles. Gasol averaged 17.4 points and 9.7 rebounds in 60 games for Los Angeles last season.

[okcchief]

If I was a Thunder fan I'd be happy that Pau Gasol isn't gonna end up in OKC. They don't need his soft old ass. He wouldn't be worth the contract they'd give him
I wanted him for the MLE. I think the contract he got could bite us in the ass. Happy they got Morrow at least.

[okcchief]

Gasol's passing and post game is exactly what OKC needs. He'd make that offense damned near unstoppable.

Imagine a crunch time five of Westbrook, Reggie Jackson, Durant, Gasol, and Ibaka. That gives you elite perimeter defense with an elite rim protector, a transcendent post passer, three great finishers, two guys who can get their own shots, and two bigs you can run the pick and pop with.
I do agree but if you give him 10 million a year Reggie is gone next year. I'm excited about McGary. Seems like he has great hands, is a good passer, can run the floor and finish. I could be wrong but I think he's more ready than Adams was last year. The young nucleus developing maybe enough to keep KD in a few years when they mature. Then there's that part of you that wants to go balls deep now. They are one of the most successful teams over the last several years so they've definitely done well sticking to the plan. It's that one big contract that fucked everything.

[RustShack]

HTF do you know Wiggins isn't on the table?

Because they told him, and told him again he isn't being traded despite the rumors?

[Pitt Gorilla]

Mitch is a dumbass but just how big of a dick is Kobe? Top 10 player all time with a bunch of cap space and not 1 star signed to play with him.Nobody, outside of Laker Fan, thought that the Lakers would sign anyone of significance. Nobody wants to play with Kobe.

[tk13]

Because they told him, and told him again he isn't being traded despite the rumors?

Dan Gilbert's plane is not heading to Miami.

[Pitt Gorilla]

I do agree but if you give him 10 million a year Reggie is gone next year. I'm excited about McGary. Seems like he has great hands, is a good passer, can run the floor and finish. I could be wrong but I think he's more ready than Adams was last year. The young nucleus developing maybe enough to keep KD in a few years when they mature. Then there's that part of you that wants to go balls deep now. They are one of the most successful teams over the last several years so they've definitely done well sticking to the plan. It's that one big contract that ****ed everything.Why did they offer that contract? Serious question.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Because they told him, and told him again he isn't being traded despite the rumors?Gilbert also said the Cavs would win a championship before Lebron would in Miami. You buying that as well?

[Al Bundy]

FWIW
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Cavs working three team deal w/ Warriors/TWolves. Warriors get multiple 1st rnd picks. Wolves get Klay and Tristan Thompson. Love to Cavs</p>&mdash; Mike Cairns (@MikeCairns5) <a href="https://twitter.com/MikeCairns5/statuses/488104572632563712">July 12, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[penbrook]

Kevin Love wallpaper removed at Target Center..

[KC Hawks]

FWIW
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Cavs working three team deal w/ Warriors/TWolves. Warriors get multiple 1st rnd picks. Wolves get Klay and Tristan Thompson. Love to Cavs</p>&mdash; Mike Cairns (@MikeCairns5) <a href="https://twitter.com/MikeCairns5/statuses/488104572632563712">July 12, 2014</a></blockquote>
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There's no way that's happening. The Warriors don't want to trade Klay Thompson for Love, but will for draft picks? Yeah, no.

[penbrook]

Kevin Loves wallpaper is already being removed from Target center.

[The Bad Guy]

Mitch is a dumbass but just how big of a dick is Kobe? Top 10 player all time with a bunch of cap space and not 1 star signed to play with him.

I can't blame Kobe for those jackasses handing him that kind of contract. He's earned all that money.

The only star they had a realistic shot at was Melo but I'm glad he went elsewhere. I think the main thing playing against Kobe at this point, besides the cap number (which in the end really doesn't matter, because Mitch and bum Buss couldn't get anyone worth shit to sign) is Kobe's health moving forward.

[The Bad Guy]

There's no way that's happening. The Warriors don't want to trade Klay Thompson for Love, but will for draft picks? Yeah, no.

Absurd rumor.

So the Cavs are basically going to get Love for 2 firsts and a Tristan Thompson? Yeah, ok.

[chiefzilla1501]

There's no way that's happening. The Warriors don't want to trade Klay Thompson for Love, but will for draft picks? Yeah, no.

It's possible Love is saying Cleveland or bust. If so, then Minnesota lost a lot of leverage and Golden State knows they're out of the game.

Maybe they were posturing about not wanting to get rid of Klay Thompson. If they're intent on getting rid of him, maybe the Cavs throw in Waiters and a shitload of first rounders which could turn into a nice haul.

[-King-]

FWIW
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Cavs working three team deal w/ Warriors/TWolves. Warriors get multiple 1st rnd picks. Wolves get Klay and Tristan Thompson. Love to Cavs</p>&mdash; Mike Cairns (@MikeCairns5) <a href="https://twitter.com/MikeCairns5/statuses/488104572632563712">July 12, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Thats the stupidest thing I've seen since free agency started. So the Warriors don't want to give up Klay for Love, but they'll do it for draft picks? If they were going to trade Klay, they'd just go ahead and get Love themselves.

[Al Bundy]

Thats the stupidest thing I've seen since free agency started. So the Warriors don't want to give up Klay for Love, but they'll do it for draft picks? If they were going to trade Klay, they'd just go ahead and get Love themselves.

The other sticking point is the Warriors DO NOT WANT the Martin contract and Minnesota was only interested in a trade with Golden State that would rid them of that contract.

[chiefzilla1501]

Thats the stupidest thing I've seen since free agency started. So the Warriors don't want to give up Klay for Love, but they'll do it for draft picks? If they were going to trade Klay, they'd just go ahead and get Love themselves.

Do we actually know the Warriors won't trade Klay for Love? The Cavs also said they won't trade Wiggins. Doesn't mean I believe it. It seems like the thing holding up a Golden State Love deal was Love, not the Warriors. If Love is hell bent on going to Cleveland, then no Golden State trade comp to Minnesota would make much of a difference.