Mackenzie Alexander turning scouts off

[RunKC]

Raymond Summerlin@RMSummerlin-NFL.com's @BuckyBrooks said CB Mackensie Alexander "turned a lot of people off with his interviews." "Not buying his act."

Terez Paylor also said on his podcast today that he's heard that Alexander did not do well on the blackboard at the combine.


Yeah..not a big fan.

[CleveSteve]

Sweet. Fall to 32 please.

[DaneMcCloud]

His interviews were poor and teams came away very unimpressed with his personality and attitude.

[chiefscafan]

He's cocky but he backs it up

[staylor26]

While it does concern me a little, I'm pretty sure guys like Deion and Peters rubbed people the wrong way too. I still think he would excel in this scheme with our guys and the culture that has been created. He just needs to be humbled a little bit and a fall to 28 could do just that.

[O.city]

That doesn't sound good.

Although it is smoke blowing time so who knows

[staylor26]

I will say this however, Jackson has moved to #1 for me.

I'd still take Alexander over Apple though. Last night I saw some really bad "tape" against some very average WR's that really soured me on Apple. I'd rather take Butler than him at that point.

Also, Alexander doesn't need to do well on the "blackboard" in our predominantly press man scheme. It's pretty simple and we've seen two rookies pick it up fast already.

[RunKC]

His interviews were poor and teams came away very unimpressed with his personality and attitude.

It amazes me that a ton of Chiefs fans I see say he's this years Peters. The hell if he's even half the prospect Peters was.

One of the worst things you can say about a DB nowadays is "he doesn't have proven ball skills". Today's NFL is impossible to simply cover well as a one-trick pony due to the rules. You have to take the ball away.
The guy hasn't shown ball skills. And he's had 2 years of tape.

Hell I think I'd rather have TJ Green at this point bc he's got the speed, length and ability that Alexander simply doesn't have.

Yes Chris Harris Jr. and Tyrann Matheiu are awesome short starting CB's. How many others are there? They rarely work out unless their slot guys.

The potential isn't there for me with this guy. He's overrated as hell.

[staylor26]

It amazes me that a ton of Chiefs fans I see say he's this years Peters. The hell if he's even half the prospect Peters was.

One of the worst things you can say about a DB nowadays is "he doesn't have proven ball skills". Today's NFL is impossible to simply cover well as a one-trick pony due to the rules. You have to take the ball away.
The guy hasn't shown ball skills. And he's had 2 years of tape.

Hell I think I'd rather have TJ Green at this point bc he's got the speed, length and ability that Alexander simply doesn't have.

Yes Chris Harris Jr. and Tyrann Matheiu are awesome short starting CB's. How many others are there? They rarely work out unless their slot guys.

The potential isn't there for me with this guy. He's overrated as hell.

I can't help but think you're talking about me lol, but every time I've made the comparison, I've clearly said that he's Peters without the elite ball skills. That's a huge difference in ability, so I'm obviously not saying he's in Peters league. He would however be a great #2 across from him.

He is great at sticking to WR's in press man coverage and is competitive as they come. Also, despite what these reports say, he still has an above average football IQ from what I've read/seen. Sounds like he just didn't quite live up to the hype he created about it.

He's less than an inch shorter than Peters with the same arm length and an identical 37.5 inch vertical. Not to mention he plays bigger than he is and is in no way lacking in the physicality department. You're not going to convince me that his size is that big of an issue.

Even Bucky, the guy that reported this, has said all these positives and agrees he should go higher then what he's hearing due to the fall off after that tier. He called Alexander a perfect fit for the Chiefs.

Also, you love to talk about his lack of ball skills, but continue ignore that he allowed 18 receptions all of last year (and 20 in 2014) playing on an island. Shutdown corners do not get oppurtunities for INT's. Ask Sean Smith if you can make a living that way.

[O.city]

Creating a lack of or stopping production is the job of the cornerback.

[Dmello12]

Let him slide to us. 2 Td's in 2 years facing the competition he has says something. Would love to see him across from Peters. That being said I would take WJIII over him but I don't see him getting past Pittsburgh.

[Sandy Vagina]

Yep. Let him slide on down to #28. He is one of only a handful that would make me :) as the KC pick at #28.

[kccrow]

Alexander may just be the single most overrated player in this draft.

[DaneMcCloud]

Creating a lack of or stopping production is the job of the cornerback.

When word leaks about poor interviews, it's rare when the player lives up to prior expectations.

It's one thing when a guy doesn't run or lift as expected but has great game film.

It's another thing entirely when he doesn't pass muster during the interview process.

[RunKC]

I can't help but think you're talking about me lol, but every time I've made the comparison, I've clearly said that he's Peters without the elite ball skills. That's a huge difference in ability, so I'm obviously not saying he's in Peters league. He would however be a great #2 across from him.

He is great at sticking to WR's in press man coverage and is competitive as they come. Also, despite what these reports say, he still has an above average football IQ from what I've read/seen. Sounds like he just didn't quite live up to the hype he created about it.

He's less than an inch shorter than Peters with the same arm length and an identical 37.5 inch vertical. Not to mention he plays bigger than he is and is in no way lacking in the physicality department. You're not going to convince me that his size is that big of an issue.

Even Bucky, the guy that reported this, has said all these positives and agrees he should go higher then what he's hearing due to the fall off after that tier. He called Alexander a perfect fit for the Chiefs.

Also, you love to talk about his lack of ball skills, but continue ignore that he allowed 18 receptions all of last year (and 20 in 2014) playing on an island. Shutdown corners do not get oppurtunities for INT's. Ask Sean Smith if you can make a living that way.

It's extremely difficult for me to see Alexander drafted by us at 28. Dorsey has shown a penchant for drafting guys with very good ball skills/measurables at CB. Yes he took a dip on that with Nelson, but hat was round 3.

Peters was a playmaker at Washington. Everyone knew that. He was strong (19 bench reps) for press man and had essentially everything else you want (barely below 6 ft but still close enough.
Gaines had a record amount of passes defended and always had his hands on the ball in some way. Add the height/length/speed dynamic and it was obvious.
Nelson was probably drafted on the Senior bowl performance alone, but he had solid production with 16 passes defended and 8 INT's in 2 years along with 19 bench reps to show good strength for press man like Peters.

I just don't see it with Alexander. Does this seem like a first rd pick in our system?
-short
-average speed (4.47 40)
-bad interviews at the combine
-average strength (11 bench reps)

There's too many cons here for me to feel comfortable. If Dorsey takes this guy I'll be shocked.

[RunKC]

Truth be told, I really am warming up to TJ Green and like him way more than Alexander. He played in man coverage as a safety quite a bit at Clemson. He's got the height/speed/ length matrix down to make the transition. Dorsey's mentor did that with Damarious Randall in GB last year and it worked out extremely well, but I'm not the biggest fan of taking a pure developmental player in the first rd right now.

[O.city]

Peters ran a 4.5 40, no?

[RunKC]

Peters ran a 4.5 40, no?

Yup. He also proved that he could play with fast receivers when he shut down Brandin Cooks.

But that is one of his few cons. Peters did get beat by some guys who have awesome lateral speed. Amari Cooper comes to mind. He gave Peters some trouble in Oakland.

[staylor26]

Yup. He also proved that he could play with fast receivers when he shut down Brandin Cooks.

But that is one of his few cons. Peters did get beat by some guys who have awesome lateral speed. Amari Cooper comes to mind. He gave Peters some trouble in Oakland.

And Alexander did the same thing against Fuller and Shepard.

Dame near identical 40 times, arm lengths, 3 cones, and verticals.

Let's focus on the one inch difference in heighth and 8 less reps in the bench press though.

[RunKC]

And Alexander did the same thing against Fuller and Shepard.

Dame near identical 40 times, arm lengths, 3 cones, and verticals.

Let's focus on the one inch difference in heighth and 8 less reps in the bench press though.

Those guys aren't fast laterally like Cooper or Cooks. They're roughly 7 second 3 cone guys. Cooper and Cooks ran 6.71 and 6.76 3 cones and have awesome lateral ability.

I don't mind one con, but when it's a combination of cons with his complete lack of ball skills, height, poor interviewing and poor football IQ when tested by teams at the combine, it takes him out of the 1st round convo for me.

And that's fine. It's great discussion. Hell I like Xavien Howard more than a lot of people.

As said before, I'll be very surprised if Alexander is our pick at 28. I think there's more talent there but that my opinion.

[O.city]

I'm curious where the complete lack of ball skills is coming from? The low int #s?

[staylor26]

I'm curious where the complete lack of ball skills is coming from? The low int #s?

Yes. That is the sole reason, because there isn't anything on the tape that says he can't locate/make a play on the ball. It's a result of a lack of oppurtunities and playing in press coverage (when your eyes aren't on the ball).

[Al Bundy]

It amazes me that a ton of Chiefs fans I see say he's this years Peters. The hell if he's even half the prospect Peters was.

One of the worst things you can say about a DB nowadays is "he doesn't have proven ball skills". Today's NFL is impossible to simply cover well as a one-trick pony due to the rules. You have to take the ball away.
The guy hasn't shown ball skills. And he's had 2 years of tape.

Hell I think I'd rather have TJ Green at this point bc he's got the speed, length and ability that Alexander simply doesn't have.

Yes Chris Harris Jr. and Tyrann Matheiu are awesome short starting CB's. How many others are there? They rarely work out unless their slot guys.

The potential isn't there for me with this guy. He's overrated as hell.

I agree, Peterson was the best DB prospect last year and he would be the best prospect this year as well.

[O.city]

I'm curious where the complete lack of ball skills is coming from? The low int #s?

Not trying to be argumentative, just curious.

[RunKC]

Let me ask you guys this:

Justin Burris played in the same conference and had fewer targets (44) than Alexander (57) last year and still got 1 INT and 7 passes defended. He also came off 2 seasons with a combined 2 INT's and 11 passes defended.

He has the height, strength (19 bench reps), fluid hips and allowed just 34.1% completion percentage allowed while having no broken tackles in 2015.
He's also never missed a game.

Why take Alexander round 1 when you can get the same talent but with better measurables/proven ball skills in round 2?

[O.city]

Let me ask you guys this:

Justin Burris played in the same conference and had fewer targets (44) than Alexander (57) last year and still got 1 INT and 7 passes defended. He also came off 2 seasons with a combined 2 INT's and 11 passes defended.

He has the height, strength (19 bench reps), fluid hips and allowed just 34.1% completion percentage allowed while having no broken tackles in 2015.
He's also never missed a game.

Why take Alexander round 1 when you can get the same talent but with better measurables/proven ball skills in round 2?

If he's better, why isn't he in the conversation for a first round pick?

[RunKC]

If he's better, why isn't he in the conversation for a first round pick?

I think exposure has a lot to do with it. Playing for Clemson puts you in the spotlight.

Not saying the guy sucks. I just question whether he fits our scheme that much or I'd Dorsey would make that many exceptions for a player that early.

[Sandy Vagina]

I think exposure has a lot to do with it. Playing for Clemson puts you in the spotlight.

Not saying the guy sucks. I just question whether he fits our scheme that much or I'd Dorsey would make that many exceptions for a player that early.

that many exceptions? like what?

that Peters is 1 inch taller? They are as close as can be in weight, arm length, vertical jump? that Mack has slightly bigger hands.. a faster 40 time?

must be the INTs.. as they both have swagger-type of personalities.