Jamaal who?

[KingPriest2]

https://www.facebook.com/NFL/videos/10154158103021263/

As good as JC is he'll never be as great as Priest

Priest rushing yards per game nearly equals JCs TOTAL yards per game. If you add in Priests receiving he destroys JC in total yards per game. TDs sorry Priest.

I'll take Priest over JC any day. He's just more complete as a back then JC

[Why Not?]

Yeah. Good comp since they both ran behind similar offensive lines.

[TLO]

LMAO

This is the dumbest thing I've read all year.

[threebag]

You don't proofread your posts?

[TribalElder]

Priest Holmes posts here!

Cool!

[Baby Lee]

Furst

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[Gonzo]

If JC had the same line, (probably the best in NFL history) that Holmes had, he would've set several all time records. I have zero doubt about that and I'm sure most people on this site would agree.
Reading is fundamental.

[Don Corlemahomes]

It's Charles. Jamaal Charles.

Glad I could help.

[cdcox]

This is a thread about chess, right?

[nychief]

go home, you're drunk.

[Bob Dole]

Tarded.

[Kylo Ren]

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[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Soon as Willie Roaf retired that whole offense went to shit. Hell trent Green got killed.

[patteeu]

Priest Holmes is my favorite Chiefs RB, but I think Jamaal Charles is the better back when supporting cast is considered.

[GloryDayz]

Sekund...

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[threebag]

How long before this is a Alex and the CHIEFS suck thread compliments of smellway?

[ThaVirus]

Edge to Holmes in patience, size, and ball security.

Edge to Jamaal in vision, speed and quickness.

Blocking and pass-catching/utility are a wash or close enough to it.

Priest produced more with the far superior supporting cast while Jamaal's clearly the more talented back. Both are phenomenal at their peak.

[Hamwallet]

If JC had Priests Oline with TG and Green... Dude would have been Berry Sanders 2.0.

[Buehler445]

If JC had the same line, (probably the best in NFL history) that Holmes had, he would've set several all time records. I have zero doubt about that and I'm sure most people on this site would agree.
Reading is fundamental.

This. X 10,000,00. If JC was running behind Roaf lighting up Linebackers, it would be a fucking slaughter. Just fucking disgusting.

[MeatRock]

Roaf and Shields ate motherfuckers alive out there. JC behind that line .....words could not begin to explain the massacre.

[88TG88]

He's no Derrick Blaylock

[GloryDayz]

If JC had Priests Oline with TG and Green... Dude would have been Berry Sanders 2.0.
Instead of a nacho he'd have been the whole enchilada..

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[MeatRock]

Roaf, Waters, Wiegman, Shields and Tait put Priest in the Chiefs HOF. No question.

[Buehler445]

Roaf, Waters, Wiegman, Shields and Tait put Priest in the Chiefs HOF. No question.

Add Richardson to that list. Along with Jason Dunn and TG. But Richardson was one bad ass motherfucker.

[MeatRock]

Add Richardson to that list. Along with Jason Dunn and TG. But Richardson was one bad ass mother****er.

Yep, can't forget about TRich and Dunn. Dunn was a beast blocking.

[MeatRock]

He's no Derrick Blaylock

Or Greg Hill. :D

[Baby Lee]

Instead of a nacho he'd have been the whole escalada..

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FYP

[Baby Lee]

Sekund...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-s1D7oneVw44/UFerzu9aVJI/AAAAAAAADJ8/P6TgwlES3uU/s1600/nachos.jpg

What is that, the Hope Solo platter?

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Let's not forget that defenses for five years had only one assignment... Stop Jamaal Charles, and even then they couldn't stop him from completely shredding them.

[thabear04]

What is that, the Hope Solo platter?

I was craving Nachos but not anymore with that Hope Solo joke. :shake:

[Demonpenz]

Priest started a superbowl and won it.

[New World Order]

If JC had the same line, (probably the best in NFL history) that Holmes had, he would've set several all time records. I have zero doubt about that and I'm sure most people on this site would agree.
Reading is fundamental.


He would have averaged 10 ypc

[Rasputin]

Add Richardson to that list. Along with Jason Dunn and TG. But Richardson was one bad ass motherfucker.

I have an autograph Tony Richardson jersey given to me. It's the best thing evar in my Chiefs collection!

[Nickhead]

why are we talking about hypothetical's?

if troy aikman had been drafted by the chargers, they would not have three superbowl wins.

if jim kelly had been drafted by the cowboys, he would still have lost four straight.

:D

[GloryDayz]

What is that, the Hope Solo platter?
Perhaps.

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[Bob Dole]

He's no Derrick Blaylock

The man who created Dante Hall.

[dj56dt58]

Priest had 5 yards before he even got touched. What made him special was his vision and patience that allowed him to set up blocks. His speed was probably underrated. Jamaal's size and speed allow him to avoid defensive linemen allowing him to get to the second level. Before his first ACL tear his break away speed allowed made him impossible to catch. Give him a small crease and he's gone.I think Jamaal has faired better behind his shitty offensive lines than Priest would have, and vice versa

[HemiEd]

Priest Holmes is my favorite Chiefs RB, but I think Jamaal Charles is the better back when supporting cast is considered.

This. The horse collar tackle severely shortened Priest's career. Both had/have a great talent for letting blocks develop and waiting on them.

[BlackHelicopters]

What is this shit?

[GloryDayz]

Speaking of Gods....

http://chicksinthehuddle.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Willie-Roaf1.jpg

[displacedinMN]

Soon as Willie Roaf retired that whole offense went to shit. Hell trent Green got killed.

Ditto. What could JC do with that line?

[Red Dawg]

No chance in hell. Homes was very good but JC is alot better.

[KChiefs1]

https://youtu.be/Le32J1MKAl8







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[lawrenceRaider]

If JC had the same line, (probably the best in NFL history) that Holmes had, he would've set several all time records. I have zero doubt about that and I'm sure most people on this site would agree.
Reading is fundamental.

This times 1,000%. Holmes was a good RB who benefited from an offense perfectly tailored to his skills and an OL that is arguably the best ever assembled. Any above average RB would have put up similar numbers to Holmes, and a great RB would have re-written the record books for yards from scrimmage in a way that wouldn't be touched for a long time. I could see a RB of JC's caliber racking up nearly 3,000 yards from scrimmage.

[COchief]

Watching Roaf operate was simply a thing a beauty in those days. You'd hear reports about how he wasn't practicing and sitting around icing what was left of his knees, then on Sunday you'd see his geriatric ass hobble out to the huddle, but once the ball snapped he looked like a gigantic magnet and the opposing rushers would just stick and he'd stand their asses up like lady liberty all day long.

[BlackHelicopters]

Throw your pipe out the window. Immediately seek help.

[ThaVirus]

Watching Roaf operate was simply a thing a beauty in those days. You'd hear reports about how he wasn't practicing and sitting around icing what was left of his knees, then on Sunday you'd see his geriatric ass hobble out to the huddle, but once the ball snapped he looked like a gigantic magnet and the opposing rushers would just stick and he'd stand their asses up like lady liberty all day long.


Wonder how he's going in retirement...

[PAChiefsGuy]

I'd take Jamaal but Priest was pretty damn good himself. Yes he had a hell of an oline but no one knew who to use blockers the way Priest did. So patient and shifty... He was also a really good receiving RB. Two 70+ rec seasons to go along with a 60+ rec season all three of them he got over 600+ yds receiving. I think Jamaal has only done that once.

Priest was great for us. It's a shame injuries shortened his career. So while I would take Jamaal over him I don't think the gap is that big.

Lets not act like Priest was just an average RB running behind a great oline. He was a hell of an RB.

[Why Not?]

I'd take Jamaal but Priest was pretty damn good himself. Yes he had a hell of an oline but no one knew who to use blockers the way Priest did. So patient and shifty... He was also a really good receiving RB. Two 70+ rec seasons to go along with a 60+ rec season all three of them he got over 600+ yds receiving. I think Jamaal has only done that once.

Priest was great for us. It's a shame injuries shortened his career. So while I would take Jamaal over him I don't think the gap is that big.

Lets not act like Priest was just an average RB running behind a great oline. He was a hell of an RB.


They were both great, which is part of the problem with this thread

[Kman34]

They were both great, which is part of the problem with this thread

This... Different styles, both work awesomely...

[Pointer19]

Young Pointer19 bought 31 as his first jersey. Smart guy.

[Discuss Thrower]

Wonder how he's going in retirement...

http://www.tmz.com/2016/04/11/willie-roaf-will-smith-gun-violence-we-gotta-do-something/

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[rtmike]

Was there anyone as LARGE as Willie? Good gravy, that's a lot of man.

[Discuss Thrower]

Was there anyone as LARGE as Willie? Good gravy, that's a lot of man.

I think Villanueva for Pittsburgh might be bigger but that's just a guess.

[Easy 6]

Sekund...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-s1D7oneVw44/UFerzu9aVJI/AAAAAAAADJ8/P6TgwlES3uU/s1600/nachos.jpg

Sunny side up eggs on nachos?

:Lin:

[KChiefs1]

I'll take them both.


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[GloryDayz]

Sunny side up eggs on nachos?

:Lin:

No clue.

[FloridaMan88]

Priest Holmes had a key fumble in the 2004 Colts playoff game and Jamaal Charles was injured (again) during the first few minutes of the 2014 Colts playoff game, and was a bystander as Casshole and the offense melted down against the Ravens in the 2011 playoff game.

[WhiteWhale]

LJ was an unstoppable monster behind the OL that priest ran behind.

LJ was a 2.7 YPC piece of trash behind the OL that Charles averaged 5.9 behind.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Priest Holmes had a key fumble in the 2004 Colts playoff game and Jamaal Charles was injured (again) during the first few minutes of the 2014 Colts playoff game, and was a bystander as Casshole and the offense melted down against the Ravens in the 2011 playoff game.

Priest did have a fumble but overall he had a great game. If it wasn't for him the game is probably a blowout. He had 24 car, 176 yds, 1 TD and 5 rec, for 32 yds... The main reason we lost that game was because of our crap defense not because of the fumble.

Jamaal's playoff injuries are concerning. Don't know what's up with that.. Especially that Colts playoff game, how he got a concussion on that play I'll never know. Looked like a freak-injury type deal. He's still a hell of a RB. Hopefully the next time we make the playoffs he will be healthy and ready to go because dude is special.

[milkman]

Edge to Holmes in patience, size, and ball security.

I don't think that Priest did have the edge in patience.
A runner's patience requires confidence in the line's ability to create holes.
Priest could afford that patience.
Jamaal, his entire career, has had to hit the first seam that he sees.
One of the things I loved about the pick when the Chiefs selected him was the patience he displayed running behind a good line at Texas.

Edge to Jamaal in vision, speed and quickness.

Blocking and pass-catching/utility are a wash or close enough to it.

Priest produced more with the far superior supporting cast while Jamaal's clearly the more talented back. Both are phenomenal at their peak.

On the other side, I don't think that Jamaal is nearly the pass catcher that Priest was.
Jamaal's hands aren't nearly as reliable.

[ILChief]

Priest had 2 HOF and one perennial pro bowler on the OL blocking for him. Jamaal had had crap lines, although I think they are finally getting good

[Baby Lee]

If there was one thing, besides durability, that would have put Priest in the pantheon of the all-time greats, it would have been nice if he had something approaching Marshall Faulk's spin move. Faulk's spin move was so compact and fast, I don't know if we've seen anything like it. Priest could have really made hay employing such a move against the second wave of defenders after that mammoth O-line cleared out the first wave. It would have been Bo Jackson Tecmo week in week out.

[Inspector]

Wish we could have that O-line back. I miss that.

[GloryDayz]

Wish we could have that O-line back. I miss that.

Priest struck football lottery gold with that line.

[scho63]

Priest had 2 HOF and one perennial pro bowler on the OL blocking for him. Jamaal had had crap lines, although I think they are finally getting good

Those OL's we had back then were so damn good! :clap:

Miss those days.

Ask Emmitt Smith the benefit of a great OL for many years. He had the longest and best OL I can ever remember in football.

Barry Sanders and Earl Campbell had some of the worst

[beach tribe]

Willie Roaf was the best player I have ever seen at any position.

[GloryDayz]

Willie Roaf was the best player I have ever seen at any position.

Very few people have the football IQ to understand how much this statement could be argued.

[Rausch]

Willie Roaf was the best player I have ever seen at any position.

Had he not suffered a litany of injuries he'd be remembered as the best LT in history...

[Rausch]

If my research is correct Charles has only played 1 season with a QB who's QBR was in the top 10.

His line has been piss fucking poor most of his career.

Despite that he's top 5 in YPC in NFL HISTORY.

15 players with a worse YPC average are in the HOF.

Just a thought...

[FloridaMan88]

Honestly, both Priest Holmes and Jamaal Charles put up great regular season stats, but they prove that having a franchise RB is overrated since the Chiefs didn't win shit with either RB.

Meanwhile the Patriots have won four Super Bowls during the past 15 years with a rotating cast of mostly nondescript RB's.

[patteeu]

Honestly, both Priest Holmes and Jamaal Charles put up great regular season stats, but they prove that having a franchise RB is overrated since the Chiefs didn't win shit with either RB.

Meanwhile the Patriots have won four Super Bowls during the past 15 years with a rotating cast of mostly nondescript RB's.

No single player, not even a great QB is enough to guarantee winning.

[O.city]

Honestly, both Priest Holmes and Jamaal Charles put up great regular season stats, but they prove that having a franchise RB is overrated since the Chiefs didn't win shit with either RB.

Meanwhile the Patriots have won four Super Bowls during the past 15 years with a rotating cast of mostly nondescript RB's.

Honestly, we need to stop using wins or playoff wins to define a single player. The pats have had brady, but have also been one of if not the best player development and personal departments in football over that time. Paired with a top 2 or 3 head coach in history of the league, you get that.

It also helped that they've had an all time great qb. So yeah, if we can find one of those laying around, let's do that.

[FloridaMan88]

Honestly, we need to stop using wins or playoff wins to define a single player. The pats have had brady, but have also been one of if not the best player development and personal departments in football over that time. Paired with a top 2 or 3 head coach in history of the league, you get that.

It also helped that they've had an all time great qb. So yeah, if we can find one of those laying around, let's do that.

Teams like the Patriots, Giants, Steelers who have won multiple Super Bowl's recently don't invest heavily in RB's and don't make a franchise RB the focal point of their offense the way the Chiefs have.

Look at recent Super Bowl winners and only Seattle with Marshawn Lynch had a franchise-type RB that was the focal point of their offense.

[Rausch]

Honestly, both Priest Holmes and Jamaal Charles put up great regular season stats, but they prove that having a franchise RB is overrated since the Chiefs didn't win shit with either RB.

No, it proves that you can't have a team super talented on one side of the ball and super terrible on the other.

It also proves that you need a solid QB to win...

[GloryDayz]

Honestly, both Priest Holmes and Jamaal Charles put up great regular season stats, but they prove that having a franchise RB is overrated since the Chiefs didn't win shit with either RB.

Meanwhile the Patriots have won four Super Bowls during the past 15 years with a rotating cast of mostly nondescript RB's.

There is a lot of truth in this. Between cycling through non-star players (outside of a star QB) who know that they either perform or they're gone (and being creative with the rules too), the Pats have shown one way to succeed.

[FloridaMan88]

No, it proves that you can't have a team super talented on one side of the ball and super terrible on the other.

It also proves that you need a solid QB to win...

Yes and it also proves you don't need a great or even a solid RB to win a Super Bowl.

[Baby Lee]

Yes and it also proves you don't need a great or even a solid RB to win a Super Bowl.

Counterpoint, Elway's SB fortunes as a QB.

[Rausch]

Yes and it also proves you don't need a great or even a solid RB to win a Super Bowl.

You definitely need a solid HB to win.

Name me a SB team with a bottom 10 rushing attack...

[DaneMcCloud]

Teams like the Patriots, Giants, Steelers who have won multiple Super Bowl's recently don't invest heavily in RB's and don't make a franchise RB the focal point of their offense the way the Chiefs have.

The Steelers gave up multiple picks for Jerome Bettis, spent their 2008 1st rounder on Rashard Mendenhall and a 2nd round pick on Le'Veon Bell in 2013

[Rausch]

The Steelers gave up multiple picks for Jerome Bettis, spent their 2008 1st rounder on Rashard Mendenhall and a 2nd round pick on Le'Veon Bell in 2013

You don't need to spend on a HB but you definitely need to have a solid rushing game...

[patteeu]

Yes and it also proves you don't need a great or even a solid RB to win a Super Bowl.

There are multiple ways to win a Super Bowl. Most SB winners have a good RB.

[Rausch]

There are multiple ways to win a Super Bowl. Most SB winners have a good RB.

The only team I can think of that has won without a solid HB is the Pats...

[ThaVirus]

I don't think that Priest did have the edge in patience.
A runner's patience requires confidence in the line's ability to create holes.
Priest could afford that patience.
Jamaal, his entire career, has had to hit the first seam that he sees.
One of the things I loved about the pick when the Chiefs selected him was the patience he displayed running behind a good line at Texas.



On the other side, I don't think that Jamaal is nearly the pass catcher that Priest was.
Jamaal's hands aren't nearly as reliable.


The point about patience is one I thought about mentioning but decided not to. Jamaal hasn't been afforded the opportunity to showcase any patience with these crap OLs. But since Priest wasn't particularly big, strong or fast and still managed to produce at an elite level for 3-4 years I figured I'd just be generous and give him the edge there.

Priest had better hands for sure but I'd label them even due to Jamaal's big-play ability and utility. You can line Jamaal up at WR if you wanted to and he could make a hell of a living- I'm not sure you could do the same for Priest on a consistent basis.

[FloridaMan88]

The Steelers gave up multiple picks for Jerome Bettis, spent their 2008 1st rounder on Rashard Mendenhall and a 2nd round pick on Le'Veon Bell in 2013

When Pittsburgh won their Super Bowl in 2006, their leading rusher was not Jerome Bettis... it was undrafted free agent Willie Parker.

When Pittsburgh won their Super Bowl in 2009, their leading rusher was again Willie Parker, with less than 800 rushing yards for the season. Their second leading rusher that season was Mewelde Moore

[FloridaMan88]

There are multiple ways to win a Super Bowl. Most SB winners have a good RB.

Look at the leading rushers on Super Bowl winning teams since 2000, it is not exactly a Mount Rushmore of RB's.

It is the likes of Willie Parker, Brandon Jacobs, Antowain Smith, Ahmad Bradshaw, Michael Pittman, and Brandon Jackson.

[FloridaMan88]

The only team I can think of that has won without a solid HB is the Pats...

Denver won a Super Bowl last year with Ronnie Hillman as their leading rusher for the season.

That would be the same Ronnie Hillman who was released by Denver last week.

[DaneMcCloud]

When Pittsburgh won their Super Bowl in 2006, their leading rusher was not Jerome Bettis... it was undrafted free agent Willie Parker.

When Pittsburgh won their Super Bowl in 2009, their leading rusher was again Willie Parker, with less than 800 rushing yards for the season. Their second leading rusher that season was Mewelde Moore

So how, in any way, does that contradict what you said?

You said the Steelers don't heavily invest in running backs "like the Chiefs".

Well, they "heavily invested" in Bettis, spent a 1st on Mendenhall and 2nd on Bell.

Since 1997, the Chiefs have spent a first round pick on one running back (Larry Johnson in 2003) and currently have a 3rd rounder wrapped up in Charles and Davis (which was a Comp pick at the end of the round).

That's not "heavily invested".

[Simply Red]

For he has been caking, partner.