Marcus Peters also had verbal altercation with assistant coach Sunday

[WhiteWhale]

There were plenty of people on here who thought Berry wasn’t worth the money we were going to pay him.

And that was a valid argument to have given the cap situation and the way the D performed in 2014 when he was out.

What was annoying me when I read the discussion was how many people taking the position that Berry just wasn't very good.

No matter how good a player is there will always be some contrarian to say he sucks. I'm sure there were moron Ravens fans saying "We need to move Ed Reed, he's just not a good tackler!"

[SAUTO]

Doesn't it make you wonder why he doesn't want to sign in KC? Hmmmm
why not fill us in?

[threebag]

why not fill us in?

His dentist is on the west coast?

[raybec 4]

why not fill us in?

We won't get any info out of some comment hit and run doucher cuz he aint knowin shit.

[Easy 6]

We won't get any info out of some comment hit and run doucher cuz he aint knowin shit.

I bet she knows plenty, more than Terez Paylor, or any other sports writer for that matter...

[ThaVirus]

And that was a valid argument to have given the cap situation and the way the D performed in 2014 when he was out.

What was annoying me when I read the discussion was how many people taking the position that Berry just wasn't very good.

No matter how good a player is there will always be some contrarian to say he sucks. I'm sure there were moron Ravens fans saying "We need to move Ed Reed, he's just not a good tackler!"

Lord, yes. That time was a fucking challenge to get through.

I remember throwing down with Dane multiple times on the bolded. He was leading the "Berry just isn't that good" brigade.

[SAUTO]

We won't get any info out of some comment hit and run doucher cuz he aint knowin shit.

thats Phillip Gaines mother that made the post

[DaneMcCloud]

Lord, yes. That time was a fucking challenge to get through.

I remember throwing down with Dane multiple times on the bolded. He was leading the "Berry just isn't that good" brigade.

I didn’t say he wasn’t “good”, I said he wasn’t worth being paid as the highest paid safety in the league.

Guess what happened?

[SAUTO]

I bet she knows plenty, more than Terez Paylor, or any other sports writer for that matter...

True, but one sided

[SAUTO]

I didn’t say he wasn’t “good”, I said he wasn’t worth being paid as the highest paid safety in the league.

Guess what happened?

He got hurt?

[DaneMcCloud]

He got hurt?

LMAO

[ThaVirus]

And, yeah. Landry is slow as shit.

We've already got a slow possession receiver in Conley. Difference is Conley is 6'3", ran a 4.35 and had like a 44 inch vertical while Landry is 5'11, ran a 4.7 and had a 28 inch vertical.

HARD pass.

[Easy 6]

True, but one sided

Unfortunately, I wont be holding my breath waiting for her to blab clubhouse business all over the web

Cant really blame her, I'm sure that kinda thing is severely frowned upon in player circles

[ThaVirus]

I didn’t say he wasn’t “good”, I said he wasn’t worth being paid as the highest paid safety in the league.

Guess what happened?

Nahhhh, man. You kept saying he just wasn't good enough, citing his lack of forced turnovers.

"He isn't as good as Ed Reed or *Deron Cherry or *Albert Lewis."

* Those two were your personal faves.

[KChiefs1]

Speaking of the secondary...

Watch Parker & Sorensen on this run.

https://youtu.be/lEx6QKHzOeI

[DaneMcCloud]

Nahhhh, man. You kept saying he just wasn't good enough, citing his lack of forced turnovers.

"He isn't as good as Ed Reed or *Deron Cherry or *Albert Lewis."

* Those two were your personal faves.

Lewis was a CB, so you're incorrect in that comparison.

Let's imagine 2016, without $12 million or whatever it was going to Berry, or his huge contract extension last year, which averages $13 million, in which the Chiefs essentially won 10 games without him.

Do you really believe that the Chiefs wouldn't have won 12 in 2016 and 10 in 2017 had they put that $25 million (or whatever the number) into the D line, WR corp or secondary?

If so, how can you say that with a straight face?

[O.city]

Lewis was a CB, so you're incorrect in that comparison.

Let's imagine 2016, without $12 million or whatever it was going to Berry, or his huge contract extension last year, which averages $13 million, in which the Chiefs essentially won 10 games without him.

Do you really believe that the Chiefs wouldn't have won 12 in 2016 and 10 in 2017 had they put that $25 million (or whatever the number) into the D line, WR corp or secondary?

If so, how can you say that with a straight face?

Flip side is, do you think they would have won 2 more games with Berry playing?

[Kiimo]

And, yeah. Landry is slow as shit.

We've already got a slow possession receiver in Conley. Difference is Conley is 6'3", ran a 4.35 and had like a 44 inch vertical while Landry is 5'11, ran a 4.7 and had a 28 inch vertical.

HARD pass.

Your lack of awareness of what both Landry and Conley do is hilarious.

Conley is super fast and really bad about getting separation with crisp routes.

Landry is a machine at getting open and making catches in crowds when he's absolutely #1 in the defenses mind to try and prevent that very thing. Conley gets like 2 catches in a game maybe and one will be for big yards because he's a big streaker outside receiver. Landry is a slot who set the franchise record for catches twice in his first four years.

They could not be more dissimilar and would be a great combo with Hill taking the top off. We can't afford him but your hard pass is super ignorant.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Berry basically won the Atlanta game himself, and brought KC back with his pick six in Carolina while Alex was shitting the bed in Carolina.

[Iowanian]

Over the next 3 years.....Peters would cost us:

2018: $3 million
2019: Fifth year option - Roughly $9 million (as of right now)
2020: Franchise tag - Roughly $14 million (as of right now)

Why the **** would we trade him before 2019?

I had decided to stay out of this, but I'm going to give an honest answer here.


Given his recent history of an attitude problem that resulted in a suspension, do you feel confident that #22 would give a maximum effort for the team on a year that he feels 15M under paid(2018 maybe) or if he was franchised tagged against his will?

My concern is that he'll go into a tantrum mode and will not help, but would hurt the locker room under that circumstance.

If the decision makers trust him under those conditions or choose to give him a new contract, fine. They know more than I do, but I don't think I'll ever be a fan of his in any way.

[DaneMcCloud]

Berry basically won the Atlanta game himself, and brought KC back with his pick six in Carolina while Alex was shitting the bed in Carolina.

That doesn’t mean that if the $13 million paid to Berry that year had been invested elsewhere (RB, S, Dline) that the Chiefs would have lost those games.

[JohnnyHammersticks]

Didn't want to start a new thread for this, hope no one minds me just dropping it here. Got this email from Pro Football Focus about "10 record-breaking rookies from the 2017 NFL season" Pretty damn eye-popping stats for Kareem Hunt in terms of elusiveness when compared to other rookies over the last 12 seasons.

3. Kareem Hunt, RB, Kansas City Chiefs

PFF Era Record Broken: Most missed tackles forced by a rookie running back

Hunt’s NFL career started in the worst way imaginable after he fumbled on his first professional carry, but from then on, he was near-flawless and he ended the year with an overall grade of 88.9, the third-highest grade among running backs. At the close of the campaign, Hunt’s 1,327 rushing yards were good enough to claim the league’s rushing title, while his 527 yards from breakaway runs (runs of 15-plus yards) were also good for first among players at the position. However, it was Hunt’s elusiveness that truly separated him from the pack. On the ground, he forced a colossal 61 missed tackles as a runner, 13 more than the next running back this year and four more than any other rookie running back in PFF history. Add in the 16 missed tackles that he forced as a receiver and you get a total of 77 missed tackles, nine more than any rookie running back has managed over the last 12 seasons.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-10-record-breaking-rookies-from-the-2017-nfl-season?utm_source=PFF+Newsletter&utm_campaign=8c298bf778-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_02_21&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_ae3f4210bf-8c298bf778-191479837

[Kiimo]

Kareem Hunt runs a 4.7 40.


HARD pass.

[ThaVirus]

Lewis was a CB, so you're incorrect in that comparison.

Let's imagine 2016, without $12 million or whatever it was going to Berry, or his huge contract extension last year, which averages $13 million, in which the Chiefs essentially won 10 games without him.

Do you really believe that the Chiefs wouldn't have won 12 in 2016 and 10 in 2017 had they put that $25 million (or whatever the number) into the D line, WR corp or secondary?

If so, how can you say that with a straight face?

I just had some fun with the search function. Youre right: you didnt compare Berry to Lewis that I could find, though you have mentioned Lewis a few times.

Anyway, you were definitely on the "Berry is way overrated" train. Sorry for the mishmash quotes. They were just all pretty good discussions. It's funny to re-read them.

He did not play at an All Pro level.

3.5 tackles a game and 2 Int's in 16 games aren't stellar numbers.

It was an honorary nod due to the cancer.

3 forced fumbles and 8 picks for a 5 year vet.

Let's be objective here.

The guy hasn't lived up to expectations.

We've been over this too many times.

I've compared him to Earl Thomas, which is pretty dumb considering the stark contrast in the way the two are used. ET averaged something like 1.2 INT more PER SEASON than EB. Meanwhile, Berry is far more productive making plays behind the LOS in sacks and TFLs, plus he has 3 TDs in his career. That's making a hell of an impact.

I remember comparing stats for Kam Chancellor and TJ Ward as well, which makes way more sense given position and scheme and Berry has a better stat sheet than either.

Your argument of him not impacting W/L record is so paper thin it's incredible. You could literally make the same argument for DJ or Flowers. This is a team sport and each guy contributes.

He has been a top tier safety as well.

He's been voted as such by fans (who are idiots, I know), his peers, and coaches in the league.

He's been awarded All-Pro status.

Any "top safety" rankings prior to this season would have included EB in the top 5 at the very least.

That's elite, brother.

Five sacks in five years is hardly game changing. As I pointed out earlier, he has 11 less INT's than Deron Cherry's first five years in the league.

The mere fact that the pass defense was rated #1 in the league without him means that his $8.3 million dollar salary can be better utilized on a different position.

He's not irreplaceable.

Going into this year his overall numbers in the secondary were comparable to Barry Church..

That's cool. Except Barry Church blows cocks and Berry doesn't..

A defender can make a hell of an impact without filling up the stat sheet. It's pretty simple for a QB to simply throw the ball away from a guy if he's doing his job.

Comparing Berry to Romey Woods. This one hurt!

Eric Berry is more Jerome Woods than Deron Cherry.

I'll never understand the fascination with the guy.


He's overrated, period, especially by ChiefsPlanet.

Take a look at Deron Cherry's numbers. He destroys Berry and it isn't even close.

Again, he's more Jerome Woods, who was also a first rounder and Pro Bowler, than Cherry.

Earl Thomas is a better safety than Woods and if the Chiefs could re-draft, I'd bet they'd take Thomas over Berry.



Pro Bowls are popularity contests. Deron Cherry was a complete player and a game changer. How many games have you watched in which Berry changed the outcome of the game?

Furthermore, the Chiefs just had their best season against the pass in two decades, yet Berry was mostly invisible and outplayed by Ron Parker.

Berry was complete as well. He was one of the best run stopping and pass rushing safeties in the league while also being, as I've highlighted earlier in this thread, very good in coverage. People just remember when he got abused by Gates and some others in his rookie season and latch onto those memories.

For God's sake, we had the guy playing CB in 2013. Dude played LB, FS, SS, and CB. He was a stud.

Alright, I found some stats on the 2013 season. Anyone that remembers that year, we damn near had Berry cover the other team's TE exclusively. Here are some of the big names and numbers they put up with Berry blanketing them:

Jason Witten: 8 targets 3 catches 12 yards 0 TDs

Brent Celek/Zach Ertz: 5 targets 2 catches 18 yards 0 TDs/1 target 1 catch 5 yards 0 TDs

Delanie Walker: 6 targets 4 catches 43 yards 0 TDs

Jordan Cameron: 4 targets 4 catches 81 yards

Scott Chandler: 9 targets 3 catches 26 yards 0 TDs

Julius Thomas: 5 targets 3 catches 43 yards 1 TD

Antonio Gates: 8 targets 3 catches 21 yards 0 TDs

Coby Fleener: 3 targets 2 catches 8 yards 0 TDs

Bro, check those stats I just posted.

He basically took every TE we faced off the field. He changed the complexion of those games without it showing up on his stat sheet. Not to mention the fact that he did that while adding 2 INT return TDs and 3.5 sacks. He changed a hell of a lot in games.

You've got to stop looking at the box scores for player contributions.

Harrison Smith, Kam Chancellor and Devin McCourty are three of the best safeties in the league. They combined for 4 INTs all of last season.

:facepalm:

It's about impact, not "box scores".

As I mentioned earlier, Deron Cherry had 40 INT's his first six seasons.

Berry has 10.

Who made a bigger impact on the field?

Furthermore, if I have to choose between a stout, man-to-man CB, an above average (hovering near elite) DT or a Safety, Safety is third on the list.

I'm with you. $11 million dollars for a safety that rarely intercepts the ball or makes game changing plays is a waste of cap space.

I know it would be extremely unpopular with the fans but I'd let him play out the Franchise Tag and draft his replacement in 2017.

We've lined this guy up at SS, FS, CB, and LB- he's played well at each and every position- and somehow he just isn't good enough. Receives first-team All-Pro honors at SS and FS- he's no Ed Reed! For God's sake, one poster was talking about lining him up at LOLB to replace Houston down the stretch!

The concerns about a lack of INTs are overblown. Taking a look at the careers of each of the top safeties in the league today, none of them fare particularly well against Berry in that regard. Throwing out any season in which the player didn't play at least 10 games in a season, Earl Thomas averages 3.5 INTs a season. Kam Chancellor averages 1.7 INTs per season. Harrison Smith averages 3.3 INTs per season. Reshad Jones averages 2.5 INTs per season. Tyrann Mathieu and Devin Mccourty (who both play a shit ton of CB and are really not a good comparison) average 2.7 and 3 INTs per season respectively.

Eric Berry averages 2.5 INTs per season. What's the difference?

Just say putting $10+m into a safety position isn't the best use of resources, because trying to argue against the guy's ability is just asinine.

[ThaVirus]

I never took issue with you saying you didn't think that a safety wasn't worth the contract or that you'd prefer we spend that cap elsewhere. I only took issue with you saying he just wasn't that good because it clearly isn't true.

[Simply Red]

Kareem Hunt runs a 4.7 40.


HARD pass.

:clap:

[Coogs]

I do find it interesting that the defense in the game Peters did not play, the defense probably had their best game of the season.

52 less passing yards than the average per game for the 15 games in which Peters played.

52 less rushing yards as well.

Gave up 7 points less than the average.

And forced 3 turnovers.


The numbers for that one game were top 3 defensive numbers for the season.

While it was just 1 game, it is interesting.

[ThaVirus]

Your lack of awareness of what both Landry and Conley do is hilarious.

Conley is super fast and really bad about getting separation with crisp routes.

Landry is a machine at getting open and making catches in crowds when he's absolutely #1 in the defenses mind to try and prevent that very thing. Conley gets like 2 catches in a game maybe and one will be for big yards because he's a big streaker outside receiver. Landry is a slot who set the franchise record for catches twice in his first four years.

They could not be more dissimilar and would be a great combo with Hill taking the top off. We can't afford him but your hard pass is super ignorant.

Oh, Lord. First it was Philip Gaines' mom and now I've found Jarvis Landry's girlfriend..

The dude averages 10 YPC. You want to trade picks and $16m of cap space for a guy who needs to catch 120 balls to crack 1,000 yards. You're a real fucking genius.

I understand completely how differently they're used. Doesn't change the fact that they're both possession receivers. We've got the one who's bigger, stronger, faster and can jump higher at a fraction of the cost. And I'm honestly not convinced that Chris couldn't match the mighty Landry's 60 yards per game if we targeted him as frequently as the Fins do JL. Conley>Landry all fucking day.

[ThaVirus]

I do find it interesting that the defense in the game Peters did not play, the defense probably had their best game of the season.

52 less passing yards than the average per game for the 15 games in which Peters played.

52 less rushing yards as well.

Gave up 7 points less than the average.

And forced 3 turnovers.


The numbers for that one game were top 3 defensive numbers for the season.

While it was just 1 game, it is interesting.

The sample size is too small. It's not interesting at all.

A team just doesn't simply get better while losing an All-Pro player. The Chiefs with Peters>>>>>the Chiefs without Peters.

[DaneMcCloud]

I never took issue with you saying you didn't think that a safety wasn't worth the contract or that you'd prefer we spend that cap elsewhere. I only took issue with you saying he just wasn't that good because it clearly isn't true.

Meh.

I'd have rather spent the $25 million given to Berry elsewhere.

At this point, he's held together by Super Glue and Duct Tape.

The Chiefs would be a better team had they invested it elsewhere.

[ThaVirus]

Meh.

I'd have rather spent the $25 million given to Berry elsewhere.

At this point, he's held together by Super Glue and Duct Tape.

The Chiefs would be a better team had they invested it elsewhere.

When the dust settles you might be right.

I'm choosing to wait before I pass judgement. If the dude has another few seasons approaching the ones he had in 2013, 2015, 2016 or his incredible game in 2017, we'll come out of this deal in the green.

[threebag]

If we don't fix our run defense, we better have CBs that take the wood to the beaver. DLine especially.

[Coogs]

The sample size is too small. It's not interesting at all.

A team just doesn't simply get better while losing an All-Pro player. The Chiefs with Peters>>>>>the Chiefs without Peters.

I get it. We have a small sample size on Mahomes too. One game. Vs a QB who threw for 4,000 yards. I'm thinking we upgraded the QB spot based on what I saw that one game.

I get the whole argument for Peters, and am not jumping on the Peters needs to go bandwagon. But I also don't think the 28th ranked defense is going in the tank without him.

[DaneMcCloud]

When the dust settles you might be right.

I'm choosing to wait before I pass judgement. If the dude has another few seasons approaching the ones he had in 2013, 2015, 2016 or his incredible game in 2017, we'll come out of this deal in the green.

That's a big if at this point, Dude, but yes, time will tell.

[BossChief]

That's exactly where I'm at.

I want Berry to be a Chief for life, but not for a blank check.

He has serious concerns, medically.

Cancer returns and he's on a huge money guaranteed deal...were ****ed
His weak Achilles tears (that's been a concern for 2 years), were ****ed
He doesn't replicate his best season ever each year, were ****ed.

There were plenty of people on here who thought Berry wasn’t worth the money we were going to pay him.

I was of the opinion that Berry wasn’t worth the mega deal he was sure to be offered...my reasoning was solid.

I still have concerns that his other Achilles will tear when he returns, or the cancer will return, causing him to retire early.

[ThaVirus]

That's a big if at this point, Dude, but yes, time will tell.

I doubted the dude when he had cancer and he came back to play the best ball of his life. I won't doubt him now.

But anyway, at this current juncture I'm feeling OK about his deal. Yeah, he didn't earn it this season, but who's to say that $13m would help us more than he can in the future?

$13m could potentially net us an Allen Bailey and a Daniel Sorenson. A Ron Parker, a Steven Nelson and a Demetrius Harris. An Eric Fisher. LMAO

Give me the injury prone safety who plays at a HOF level over any combination of those bags of dicks any day.

[BossChief]

I'm tired of being overlooked when I have legitimate football inquires - also (while I'm at it) I'm sick and tired of being used for my culinary knowledge - you guys need to reciprocate!

Landry is the new Anquan Boldin.

Slow, but fights for the ball every time (usually wins) and is a good blocker for the run game. Bad times speed, good game speed. Fights through CB arm tackles and is a savvy player.

Hope that helps.

[Simply Red]

Landry is the new Anquan Boldin.

Slow, but fights for the ball every time (usually wins) and is a good blocker for the run game. Bad times speed, good game speed. Fights through CB arm tackles and is a savvy player.

Hope that helps.

That's very sweet of you to follow-up like that - I'm glad we're connected on CP - you're a perfect gentleman

[Kiimo]

Oh, Lord. First it was Philip Gaines' mom and now I've found Jarvis Landry's girlfriend..

The dude averages 10 YPC. You want to trade picks and $16m of cap space for a guy who needs to catch 120 balls to crack 1,000 yards. You're a real ****ing genius.

I understand completely how differently they're used. Doesn't change the fact that they're both possession receivers. We've got the one who's bigger, stronger, faster and can jump higher at a fraction of the cost. And I'm honestly not convinced that Chris couldn't match the mighty Landry's 60 yards per game if we targeted him as frequently as the Fins do JL. Conley>Landry all ****ing day.


My boyfriend is reality. It's the only thing worth defending. If you're calling Conley a possession receiver you don't know what one is.

First and foremost I never said I wanted Landry on the Chiefs at that price. It's a ridiculous price for a slot receiver. I just scoffed at your complete ignorance by saying Conley and Landry are the same. I mean seriously?

Your YPC argument is being bandied about the internet as we speak since Landry got franchised and people in the know are roasting it. Just so you understand. I'm not going to take the time to go into great detail why you don't know what you're talking about but I'll cross-post this anyway...

Also you'll hear people bitch about Landry's ypc being low and that's because they didn't watch the Dolphins throw passes to Landry three yards behind the line of scrimmage and the line falling apart and say "go get that first down" and then him catch it from his own shoelaces and then inexplicably go get that first down.

He made Cutler look decent if you just looked at the numbers. My biggest fear is Landry somehow ending up with New England.

Yes I was a Landry fantasy owner in PPR.



In fact, just watch this and listen. There isn't one thing said in this video that applies to Conley. And I like Conley.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMI28nDxT8Q

[ThaVirus]

My boyfriend is reality. It's the only thing worth defending. If you're calling Conley a possession receiver you don't know what one is.

First and foremost I never said I wanted Landry on the Chiefs at that price. It's a ridiculous price for a slot receiver. I just scoffed at your complete ignorance by saying Conley and Landry are the same. I mean seriously?

Your YPC argument is being bandied about the internet as we speak since Landry got franchised and people in the know are roasting it. Just so you understand. I'm not going to take the time to go into great detail why you don't know what you're talking about but I'll cross-post this anyway...





In fact, just watch this and listen. There isn't one thing said in this video that applies to Conley. And I like Conley.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMI28nDxT8Q

"Landry is forced to pick up all of his yards on screen passes"

Links a vid that doesn't show him being thrown a single screen

Lol riiiiight. The dude's averaged 10 YPC over a four year career. He's just not explosive. He ran slow in the combine and doesn't play fast; therefore, he's best described as a slow possession receiver.

I'm curious as to which Chiefs games you're watching to call Conley a vertical threat. He has not been a burner in his time in KC. Not even a little bit.

[ThaVirus]

We can't afford him...

I never said I wanted Landry on the Chiefs at that price

Sounds like a HARD pass then lol

[Kiimo]

"Landry is forced to pick up all of his yards on screen passes"

Links a vid that doesn't show him being thrown a single screen


Almost done with work and defending a player who won't be a Chief ever. But one last thing.

That video was made before this season. After he averaged 12.1 ypc. He averaged 8.8 this season, the season I was referring to with Cutler. I linked it because people are describing his attributes. This stuff isn't hard. My solitary point is Conley and Landry are not comparable. They are different heights, weights, play the game differently, have different speed, tenaciousness, run different routes with different effort levels and finally...play different positions.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

That's what I don't get. Unless Peters flat comes out and says that he isn't playing under the franchise tag.....then it would be stupid of us to not let him play out his rookie deal, franchise him AND THEN see if anyone wants to trade for him.

I guarantee you that his attitude will go back to normal with Mahomes running the offense and a competent CB2 across from him.

Agreed. People are discounting this far too much. Winners want to win, and we ALL KNOW who the major roadblock in the equation was. If you think that...QB sucked the life out of YOU, just imagine what it must have been like to PLAY with him and watch the world fall to shit BECAUSE of him.

You are correct, I fully agree, and we WILL be proven right in this matter.

You keep bringing up the QB position.......so yeah.....you're talking about it.

As did I, in a roundabout way...:)

Team chemistry
Guy writing the check says so
Something known only to a few inside
Disgruntled player
Sometimes pieces just don't fit without any explanation
Maybe a shift in team dynamics maybe we are going to go all out on offense now?
It's all speculation at this point.

"But...but...MUH cHUNT"!
Thank you for being a part of the ongoing problem.

Your getting all lathered up like the black stallions been mounting you up all morning.

^^^^What a piece of shit.

There were plenty of people on here who thought Berry wasn’t worth the money we were going to pay him.

The character of this fan base, or lack thereof, was FULLY on display at that time. One minute these pricks couldn't praise him enough for beating cancer, and the next minute their panties were fully wadded in the most grotesque display of schizophrenic selfishness I've ever seen.

There's a LOT to hate about football fans.

[ThaVirus]

Almost done with work and defending a player who won't be a Chief ever. But one last thing.

That video was made before this season. After he averaged 12.1 ypc. He averaged 8.8 this season, the season I was referring to with Cutler. I linked it because people are describing his attributes. This stuff isn't hard. My solitary point is Conley and Landry are not comparable. They are different heights, weights, play the game differently, have different speed, tenaciousness, run different routes with different effort levels and finally...play different positions.

Ah, it's almo- it's almost like I said that already.

Difference is Conley is 6'3", ran a 4.35 and had like a 44 inch vertical while Landry is 5'11, ran a 4.7 and had a 28 inch vertical.

We've got the one who's bigger, stronger, faster and can jump higher at a fraction of the cost.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Fescoe said on 610 AM this morning that Terez said Peters is probably not going to sign here.

http://www.610sports.com/media/audio-channel/0222-clark-hunt-marcus-peters

At 4:45

From what I gathered there, all Terez was saying was that he didn’t see Peters being re-signed at the time of the suspension last year. He didn’t say anything along the lines of “Marcus doesn’t want to be in KC”...

A lot has changed since then.

I will say that Peters definitely seems like the type to hold out this Summer at training camp, as it is his first year that he can do so. He missed OTAs last year, so I’d say a holdout should be the expectation.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

From what I gathered there, all Terez was saying was that he didn’t see Peters being re-signed at the time of the suspension last year. He didn’t say anything along the lines of “Marcus doesn’t want to be in KC”...

A lot has changed since then.

I will say that Peters definitely seems like the type to hold out this Summer at training camp, as it is his first year that he can do so. He missed OTAs last year, so I’d say a holdout should be the expectation.


Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....Lil' Chiefy goin' be mad as a muthafuckah'!!!

http://images.guff.com/gallery/image//fhctp

[RunKC]

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Few things here:

1. Marcus Peters is insane at getting turnovers
2. Wish we could have kept Kurt Coleman.
3. Wish we could have signed Casey Heyward, especially at the deal he got.
4. IF these rumors are true and Peters does for some reason get traded, I’d go after Trumaine Johnson.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Few things here:

1. Marcus Peters is insane at getting turnovers
2. Wish we could have kept Kurt Coleman.
3. Wish we could have signed Casey Heyward, especially at the deal he got.
4. IF these rumors are true and Peters does for some reason get traded, I’d go after Trumaine Johnson.

5. We better not fucking trade Marcus Peters.

[dlphg9]

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Few things here:

1. Marcus Peters is insane at getting turnovers
2. Wish we could have kept Kurt Coleman.
3. Wish we could have signed Casey Heyward, especially at the deal he got.
4. IF these rumors are true and Peters does for some reason get traded, I’d go after Trumaine Johnson.

There are not rumors, just shit throwing. There is no substance to any of what that dipshit laconfora is saying.

[Hamwallet]

5. We better not ****ing trade Marcus Peters.

He is a cancer on the sidelines. This reminds me of a convo with friends about trading Jamal Charles right before he went down and being told I am crazy.

If Eric Berry or Derrick Johnson are not here to keep this young buck under control, get what you can. He is a lose cannon that CAN cost you games with his BS.

Just to make this clear, Jamal Charles was not a team cancer.

[Hamwallet]

We could get a very good second round pick.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

He is a cancer on the sidelines. This reminds me of a convo with friends about trading Jamal Charles right before he went down and being told I am crazy.

If Eric Berry or Derrick Johnson are not here to keep this young buck under control, get what you can. He is a lose cannon that CAN cost you games with his BS.

Just to make this clear, Jamal Charles was not a team cancer.

****ing ASININE.

Cancer? What? LMAO

By all indications, his teammates love him. He’ll lose you games? Funny, maybe once in a blue moon. But he’ll damn sure win you a few too.

And that fact that you think a 2nd round pick is sufficient compensation for the best ballhawk in recent football history... just... wow.

[RealSNR]

We could get a very good second round pick.

I'd rather you get AIDS.

[SAUTO]

We could get a very good second round pick.

We invested the number 18 on him. He's outplayed that spot. Why would we take less?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Turds in my mouth, nom-nom-nom! Turds in my nose, yum-yum-yum!

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[dlphg9]

He is a cancer on the sidelines. This reminds me of a convo with friends about trading Jamal Charles right before he went down and being told I am crazy.

If Eric Berry or Derrick Johnson are not here to keep this young buck under control, get what you can. He is a lose cannon that CAN cost you games with his BS.

Just to make this clear, Jamal Charles was not a team cancer.

You are such a retard

[Willie Lanier]

He is a cancer on the sidelines. This reminds me of a convo with friends about trading Jamal Charles right before he went down and being told I am crazy.

If Eric Berry or Derrick Johnson are not here to keep this young buck under control, get what you can. He is a lose cannon that CAN cost you games with his BS.

Just to make this clear, Jamal Charles was not a team cancer.

You clearly have a tenative grasp on the english language, because if what you actually posted is in fact how you see the dynamic of this situation, you're beyond saving...

[Nickhead]

We invested the number 18 on him. He's outplayed that spot. Why would we take less?

good point, if we did a redraft of his class, i am curious as to where he would rank now :D

[cdcox]

Let's trade a pro-bowler in the prime of his career for a 2nd round pick! Because he kneels.

[BossChief]

Leads the nfl in turnovers since he was drafted
Opposing QBs have the lowest QB rating throwing at him in the league
He has made first or second team all pro every year in all 3 years he has played
We have a young stud QB that is going to score a ton of points and will force opposing QBs to throw the ball more than they want to
We just traded for an elite #2 CB to pair with him and Nelson was a top 5 nickel the year he played the slot.
He has 3 SUPER CHEAP years left on his deal (including the franchise tag)
He is the definition of “ultra competitive”

The fact so many of you want to trade him for a second round pick is crazy as ****.

The reasons:

He doesn’t stand for the anthem!! (Has nothing to do with football)

He isn’t good in run support!!! (Bullshit. The guy forces tons of fumbles and protects his body. I’d like a tad more willingness to hit, but even Deion Sanders didn’t tackle. What he does in coverage is invaluable.)

He loses his temper in games!!! (Every ultra competitive player does. He’s still very young and needs to mature a lot. I love his competitive spirit. When the offense is fun to watch -like it will be with Mahomes- I doubt very highly that Marcus has the same frustrations.

If/When this team wins a Super Bowl, Peters will play a huge role.

[lcarus]

Trading an all-pro corner on his rookie contract because he isnt a quiet humble boy scout. Thats the type of move that could potentially get me to fucking hate this already buttfucking dumbass loser franchise to the point of no return. I mean holy shit. After all the facepalming these football scholars have already induced. You'd think they would stop with the idiocy just for a minute. We are barely over a month out from our last huge embarrassing failure.

[New World Order]

If they are serious I hope Veach really likes a couple of corners in free agency. I hope they wouldn't trade Peters for anything other than a first. A legit corner in FA and then a pass rusher opposite of Houston in the first would be nice.

[PRIEST]

Trading an all-pro corner on his rookie contract because he isnt a quiet humble boy scout. Thats the type of move that could potentially get me to ****ing hate this already butt****ing dumbass loser franchise to the point of no return. I mean holy shit. After all the facepalming these football scholars have already induced. You'd think they would stop with the idiocy just for a minute. We are barely over a month out from our last huge embarrassing failure.

This ^^^^^

They do this shit and I'm ****ing done Tired boss Tired

[Red Dawg]

This ^^^^^

They do this shit and I'm ****ing done Tired boss Tired

Liar. Mahomes is taking the field and you think you're done if we trade Peters? You won't be done so stop talking crazy.

[tmax63]

Trading an all-pro corner on his rookie contract because he isnt a quiet humble boy scout. Thats the type of move that could potentially get me to ****ing hate this already butt****ing dumbass loser franchise to the point of no return. I mean holy shit. After all the facepalming these football scholars have already induced. You'd think they would stop with the idiocy just for a minute. We are barely over a month out from our last huge embarrassing failure.

I have no inside information and personally feel these rumors are throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks but he hasn't been a boy scout and if he's made it clear that he doesn't want to be in KC and will leave at the soonest possible moment then you move him before all you get is a comp pick or you end like the Redskins and Cousins. Nobody is gonna give them anything for him because they know he'll get cut. And you can't make somebody want to be in small market flyover KC

[WhawhaWhat]

I have no inside information and personally feel these rumors are throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks but he hasn't been a boy scout and if he's made it clear that he doesn't want to be in KC and will leave at the soonest possible moment then you move him before all you get is a comp pick or you end like the Redskins and Cousins. Nobody is gonna give them anything for him because they know he'll get cut. And you can't make somebody want to be in small market flyover KC

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[tmax63]

Thanks for your insight.

[WhawhaWhat]

Thanks for your insight.

I've posted multiple times in this thread that trading him would be idiotic. 3 years for around $30 million of Marcus Peters at CB and a 3rd round comp pick when he walks is worth more than anything any team could trade to the Chiefs.

[tmax63]

I disagree. A low 1st, high second would give you better odds of getting a quality CB in the draft than the end of the 3rd. He would be hard to replace but if you got someone who was 90% of MP in coverage and didn't make Deion Sanders look like Dick Butkus in the run game you could live without him. Hell, they had to live without him for a game last year and the Chiefs did survive.

[WhawhaWhat]

A low 1st, high second would give you better odds of getting a quality CB in the draft than the end of the 3rd.

They already have a quality CB, a very high quality one at that. Why would you trade that away for just the possibility of getting another one? A slim possibility based on the history of the draft.

That seems really stupid.

[RunKC]

They already have a quality CB, a very high quality one at that. Why would you trade that away for just the possibility of getting another one? A slim possibility based on the history of the draft.

That seems really stupid.

Pretty simple really.

If Marcus Peters doesn’t want to sign here as Terez Paylor seems to believe, you place the franchise tag on him in 2020 and trade him for better value.

In that situation he’s gone no matter what so you might as well get a high 2nd or 1st to help your team rather than a comp pick just before the 4th rd.

[tyreekthefreak]

Pretty simple really.

If Marcus Peters doesn’t want to sign here as Terez Paylor seems to believe, you place the franchise tag on him in 2020 and trade him for better value.

In that situation he’s gone no matter what so you might as well get a high 2nd or 1st to help your team rather than a comp pick just before the 4th rd.

Two more years watching Peters lose jump balls down field and tackling as a last resort will lessen his trade value dramatically. Trade him now if the price is right and DON'T LOOK BACK!!!!

[raybec 4]

I disagree. A low 1st, high second would give you better odds of getting a quality CB in the draft than the end of the 3rd. He would be hard to replace but if you got someone who was 90% of MP in coverage and didn't make Deion Sanders look like Dick Butkus in the run game you could live without him. Hell, they had to live without him for a game last year and the Chiefs did survive.

Think about this in terms of turnover numbers, Peters has 19 Ints and 6 FF in 3 years. In that span the next closest guy is Reggie Nelson with 14 and 2. So, in reality 90% of Peters is 22.5 turnovers forced, 6 more than the next best guy in all of the NFL.

I'm hoping the Chiefs don't take a chance that a 1st round pick is better than everyone else in the league (except MP) over the last three years.

[mikeyis4dcats.]

thats Phillip Gaines mother that made the post

not sure if serious, but it's not.

[WhawhaWhat]

If Marcus Peters doesn’t want to sign here

In that situation he’s gone no matter what so you might as well get a high 2nd or 1st to help your team rather than a comp pick just before the 4th rd.

Who cares.

The Chiefs will never get equal value in a trade for a player like Marcus Peters. They'll always be the loser of that trade. Although the team has been a loser for almost 50 years at this point so I guess that's why some fans like you are OK with that. You're used to it by now and don't know any better.

[tmax63]

Think about this in terms of turnover numbers, Peters has 19 Ints and 6 FF in 3 years. In that span the next closest guy is Reggie Nelson with 14 and 2. So, in reality 90% of Peters is 22.5 turnovers forced, 6 more than the next best guy in all of the NFL.

I'm hoping the Chiefs don't take a chance that a 1st round pick is better than everyone else in the league (except MP) over the last three years.

Valid point but he isn't graded out as #1 CB in the NFL as this would indicate. Yes, I agree it would be a major loss that needs to be avoided if possible but if not then minimize losses.

[raybec 4]

not sure if serious, but it's not.

How do you know this? She claims to be, do you doubt it?

[RunKC]

Who cares.

The Chiefs will never get equal value in a trade for a player like Marcus Peters. They'll always be the loser of that trade. Although the team has been a loser for almost 50 years at this point so I guess that's why some fans like you are OK with that. You're used to it by now and don't know any better.

Having a HOF caliber CB for 5 years for peanuts is better value than any other team could get if he leaves.

It’s pretty simple math. If Peters doesn’t want to sign with us you franchise tag him after his 5th year and get value. High 2nd rd (at worst)>>>>3rd rd comp pick.

You dummies tend to forget that if Peters is leaving, we might as well get capitol to try to either replace him or build other parts of the team since at that point, Mahomes will get paid a shit load of money and we will need cheap talent on rookie deals.

The difference between a high 2nd/1st compared to a comp pick is huge. Chris Jones was an early 2nd rd pick and Steven Nelson was a 3rd rd comp.

[O.city]

Having a HOF caliber CB for 5 years for peanuts is better value than any other team could get if he leaves.

It’s pretty simple math. If Peters doesn’t want to sign with us you franchise tag him after his 5th year and get value. High 2nd rd (at worst)>>>>3rd rd comp pick.

You dummies tend to forget that if Peters is leaving, we might as well get capitol to try to either replace him or build other parts of the team since at that point, Mahomes will get paid a shit load of money and we will need cheap talent on rookie deals.

The difference between a high 2nd/1st compared to a comp pick is huge. Chris Jones was an early 2nd rd pick and Steven Nelson was a 3rd rd comp.

If he’s leaving sure, try and get something for him.

In 2 years

[Easy 6]

not sure if serious, but it's not.

Yes, she is... its a fact

[The Franchise]

Yes, she is... its a fact

Has that been actually proven?

[Easy 6]

Has that been actually proven?

Here is how we know...

She had been posting regularly for a good 2-3 weeks, repeatedly intimating that she knew him very well, like close friend or relative well... when pressed, she wouldnt say exactly what capacity, only that she knew the young man very well

Then our West Point cadet poster 'Pointer' posted a thread about an upcoming room inspection he had, and how he was allowed one personal item in his closet so he chose a Chiefs jersey to play a joke on the Broncos loving guy who would be inspecting his room

She posted in that thread something to the effect of '24 year Air Force veteran here, your room looks great, good luck!' or something like that

So I decided to take that bit of info and get nosy with it, I googled 'Philip Gaines military upbringing' and instantly came across this from Chiefs Digest

http://www.chiefsdigest.com/military-family-lifestyle-helped-shape-chiefs-rookie-cb-phillip-gaines/

Lo and behold, both his mother and father were... 24 year Air Force veterans

Not only did she subsequently admit she was his mother to the board, but we have traded numerous PMs over the last few months that prove to me without question, she is exactly who she says she is

[The Franchise]

Here is how we know...

She had been posting regularly for a good 2-3 weeks, repeatedly intimating that she knew him very well, like close friend or relative well... when pressed, she wouldnt say exactly what capacity, only that she knew the young man very well

Then our West Point cadet poster 'Pointer' posted a thread about an upcoming room inspection he had, and how he was allowed one personal item in his closet so he chose a Chiefs jersey to play a joke on the Broncos loving guy who would be inspecting his room

She posted in that thread something to the effect of '24 year Air Force veteran here, your room looks great, good luck!' or something like that

So I decided to take that bit of info and get nosy with it, I googled 'Philip Gaines military upbringing' and instantly came across this from Chiefs Digest

http://www.chiefsdigest.com/military-family-lifestyle-helped-shape-chiefs-rookie-cb-phillip-gaines/

Lo and behold, both his mother and father were... 24 year Air Force veterans

Not only did she subsequently admit she was his mother to the board, but we have traded numerous PMs over the last few months that prove to me without question, she is exactly who she says she is

Sweet.....was not aware of all of that. The only thing I knew was the back and forth that happened between her and George.

[Simply Red]

Not only did she subsequently admit she was his mother to the board, but we have traded numerous PMs over the last few months that prove to me without question, she is exactly who she says she is


Actually no - she's a Mr. Kotter mult.

[Easy 6]

Actually no - she's a Mr. Kotter mult.

LMAO

[KChiefs1]

Must have been pretty serious stuff.

[raybec 4]

I admit I was wrong, I never thought they's trade him. I guess he at least gets to go to LA.

[thegame214]

I admit I was wrong, I never thought they's trade him. I guess he at least gets to go to LA.

Living here I can assure you he's more likely to fuck up more than ever in KC

[Iowanian]

I told you Peters is a ****boi.


Who is the dumbass now? Something about a bag of dicks to dump on your heads?

[hometeam]

Just got a text from a buddy..

"Now that this has happened I'm good with it and actually feel better, like getting rid of an ex-girlfriend that was dynamite in bed but overall just a horrible person"

Pretty much sums it up for me.

[SAUTO]

not sure if serious, but it's not.

what makes you think that?

[mikeyis4dcats.]

what makes you think that?

she posted here her name is Yvonne. Gaine's mothers name is Suzanne or Susan (I forget). Now, it may very well be another relative...

[KranzDictum]

Just got a text from a buddy..

"Now that this has happened I'm good with it and actually feel better, like getting rid of an ex-girlfriend that was dynamite in bed but overall just a horrible person"

Pretty much sums it up for me.

I felt that way about Romo, you love them when they are on your team but hate them when they aren't.

[Easy 6]

she posted here her name is Yvonne. Gaine's mothers name is Suzanne or Susan (I forget). Now, it may very well be another relative...

She was lying to cover up, you numbskull

I have talked to her numerous times via PM, no one is going through all of that trouble to PRETEND to be his mom

But you stick to what you got, I genuinely dont care

[kccrow]

Last time I openly called out Peters for his weaknesses on the field I was told I'm high on bath salts. After about 4 more weeks of it, maybe I'm not that high after all now am I.

He's weak. He's physically and mentally weak. If I were his teammate on defense, I would have jacked that motherfucker Thomas Jones style by now.

I can't wait for the day he's traded, to be honest. Get me guys in here that care about winning.

Apparently, that day has come. I, for one, am not a bit saddened.

[Willie Lanier]

Apparently, that day has come. I, for one, am not a bit saddened.

Good for you, nice prognostication on your part...

Personally I'm a little jarred at the news of this, but I'm refraining from judgement until the details are revealed...

I really liked Peters

[Bewbies]

If Peters beats his mom's ass in LA and they cut him we'll know it was smart to move on.

If we see him holding a Lombardi over his head we'll all wish we could finger ourselves or something productive like that instead.