Schefter: Jalen Ramsey has asked for a trade

[In58men]

Jalen should just sit out

[O.city]

Man Super Mario sucks at owning a team.

For sure, but with this situation, I think he's done what he should have.

They don't have to trade Jalen unless they get a haul.

[Simply Red]

For sure, but with this situation, I think he's done what he should have.

They don't have to trade Jalen unless they get a haul.

Thank you for the clarification on this.

[BossChief]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191003/404bfdf8244c03b0b08250a345a20293.jpg

The way this is worded seems like he’s leaving the door cracked open as things change.

“We’re still looking..”

“Right now the best thing...”

[TribalElder]

Aladin is going to fuck it up and get nothing

[siberian khatru]

The way this is worded seems like he’s leaving the door cracked open as things change.

“We’re still looking..”

“Right now the best thing...”

If someone will give them a Herschel Walker/Ricky Williams trade, that would be best for the team. Otherwise ...

[O.city]

Chiefs have 23.5 mil in cap space right now.

[Strongside]

Chiefs have 23.5 mil in cap space right now.

Which is inexcusable in an "all-in" season, should they choose to ride it out like that.

[O.city]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">10.3 GamePlan! We go inside how <a href="https://twitter.com/BruceArians?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BruceArians</a> sees <a href="https://twitter.com/Jaboowins?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Jaboowins</a> after 4 weeks: &quot;He’s been playing really, really well for us every single week – winning football.”<br><br>PLUS your ?s on ...<br><br>�� Ramsey.<br>�� 18 games.<br>�� The Bills&#39; ceiling.<br>�� The Skins&#39; future.<a href="https://t.co/VrROo7E5OU">https://t.co/VrROo7E5OU</a></p>&mdash; Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1179783337566715907?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 3, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Found this part particularly interesting.

From Joe Scalleat (@chiefinpa): Do you think the chiefs will eventually have enough of a defense to get to the Super Bowl or do you think a trade is coming deadline time to add to the chiefs defense tks big fan
Thanks, Joe. The Chiefs have taken positive steps this year—the group is more disciplined, has more playmakers, and is showing upside under new coordinator Steve Spagnuolo. Frank Clark and Chris Jones are going to be a handful to deal with, especially as they get more experience playing together.

And yes, I think they’re open to a trade. I actually think Kansas City would be one of Ramsey’s preferred destination, and the Chiefs do have an interest. We’ll see if that adds up to anything tangible in the coming weeks.

[htismaqe]

Which is inexcusable in an "all-in" season, should they choose to ride it out like that.

LOLWUT?

They re-worked contracts 2 or 3 weeks ago in order to free up cap space. What do you suppose they did that for?

How pissed would you be if Khan said he's trading Ramsey and the Chiefs were up against the cap because they spent it on more bums?

[O.city]

LOLWUT?

They re-worked contracts 2 or 3 weeks ago in order to free up cap space. What do you suppose they did that for?

How pissed would you be if Khan said he's trading Ramsey and the Chiefs were up against the cap because they spent it on more bums?

What do you think they opened it up for?

It's gotta be for another player, right?

[Sassy Squatch]

Trade negotiations with the Jaguars probably got far enough along that the Chiefs started clearing cap until Khan stepped in.

[O.city]

Trade negotiations with the Jaguars probably got far enough along that the Chiefs started clearing cap until Khan stepped in.

I kinda wonder about that.

There was some rumor somewhere that they'd agreed on comp but the contract never moved, I doubt that's true, but I do wonder if the owner stepped in.

[O.city]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Despite <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Jaguars?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Jaguars</a> owner Shahid Khan recently saying, &quot;...right now the best thing is to have (Jalen Ramsey) be part of the team,&quot; I was still told today--nothing has changed--in regards to Ramsey&#39;s stance.</p>&mdash; ig: josinaanderson (@JosinaAnderson) <a href="https://twitter.com/JosinaAnderson/status/1179803511959248897?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 3, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Jalen still wants out.

He's gonna have to not be shy about it and demand being out I'd think for anything to happen.

[Chief Roundup]

Oct. 30th can't get here soon enough.

[CaliforniaChief]

They probably plan to trade him and have promised him that with the request that he keep his complaining to a minimum so as to make it look like the Jags aren't desperate.

[arrowheadnation]

This is so frustrating....it used to be our FO never had the balls to try and make a splash trade. Then we get the balls to do it and the guy either breaks his leg, gets suspended for PED's and smooths over his relationship with his team, or has a Pakistani billionaire team owner who doesn't really care if he's pissing away the cash on a guy not playing because it's like a drop in the bucket to him. I mean...come'on man!

[O.city]

It was probably always going to go down to the deadline but I don't really understand why they do that.

[CaliforniaChief]

It was probably always going to go down to the deadline but I don't really understand why they do that.

Human nature I guess.

A very few percentage of the population is immune to it, in my own experience.

[O.city]

Human nature I guess.

A very few percentage of the population is immune to it, in my own experience.

I know teams wanna get as much leverage and desperate teams as they can and the closer to the deadline it gets the more they could possibly get.

But with a dude this good, teams were probably ready to unload as soon as it happened. I don't understand the hold up unless you just aren't gonna trade him.

Which is what everyone is reporting. Maybe it's just posturing, but unless he really makes a stink about it, I don't think they'll move him.

[BossChief]

I kinda wonder about that.

There was some rumor somewhere that they'd agreed on comp but the contract never moved, I doubt that's true, but I do wonder if the owner stepped in.

Anyone that said it got to contract negotiations has bad info or is lying. Saddam shot down the trade compensation so the team obviously never let the next step of contract negotiations come to pass.

Tom Coughlin probably wanted to do the trade for KCs 2 1s and had to have owner approval for that magnitude of a trade and that’s when Super Mario stepped in and chose to keep Ramsey in hopes of getting more in return.

[Setsuna]

Khan is such a poor owner. He's been absent this whole time until now. He let Blake Bortles terrorize our franchise for 2 years too long and now he wants what's best for the team? Screw this guy. Go back across the pond and take this team with you.

[BossChief]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Despite <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Jaguars?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Jaguars</a> owner Shahid Khan recently saying, &quot;...right now the best thing is to have (Jalen Ramsey) be part of the team,&quot; I was still told today--nothing has changed--in regards to Ramsey&#39;s stance.</p>&mdash; ig: josinaanderson (@JosinaAnderson) <a href="https://twitter.com/JosinaAnderson/status/1179803511959248897?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 3, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Jalen still wants out.

He's gonna have to not be shy about it and demand being out I'd think for anything to happen.

He’s sitting out on a dispute and the team is calling it injury related so the value doesn’t plummet.

I doubt he plays for them again and I hope he goes here or somewhere in the NFC.

[BossChief]

I know teams wanna get as much leverage and desperate teams as they can and the closer to the deadline it gets the more they could possibly get.

But with a dude this good, teams were probably ready to unload as soon as it happened. I don't understand the hold up unless you just aren't gonna trade him.

Which is what everyone is reporting. Maybe it's just posturing, but unless he really makes a stink about it, I don't think they'll move him.

Depends on the W/L record at the deadline.

[arrowheadnation]

I saw Khan also has an ownership stake in a Premier League soccer club (Fulham) and AEW wrestling that debuted on TNT last night.

[O.city]

Anyone that said it got to contract negotiations has bad info or is lying. Saddam shot down the trade compensation so the team obviously never let the next step of contract negotiations come to pass.

Tom Coughlin probably wanted to do the trade for KCs 2 1s and had to have owner approval for that magnitude of a trade and that’s when Super Mario stepped in and chose to keep Ramsey in hopes of getting more in return.

That would be my guess.

[carcosa]

I STILL BELIEF!!!!

Jags will lose a couple games and finally wise up..... and then J-RAM is OURS!!!!

[Bill Brasky]

Chiefs have 23.5 mil in cap space right now.

We're obviously keeping this in the back pocket in case of injuries etc for the trade deadline. It's smart to let the season play out. If NE really is on the hook for Brown's contract, their cap is wrecked for this year with only $1,521,400 left.

[Mecca]

I saw Khan also has an ownership stake in a Premier League soccer club (Fulham) and AEW wrestling that debuted on TNT last night.

His son is running the wrestling promotion, apparently they're huge wrestling fans.

[O.city]

If the dude isn't gonna play, I don't know why you wouldn't trade him.

[Mecca]

If the dude isn't gonna play, I don't know why you wouldn't trade him.

Ego, apparently a bunch of owners are wanting the league to allow them to impose harsher punishments for holdouts.

This idea that a player can force his way off a team is rubbing some of these old rich dudes the wrong way.

[O.city]

Ego, apparently a bunch of owners are wanting the league to allow them to impose harsher punishments for holdouts.

This idea that a player can force his way off a team is rubbing some of these old rich dudes the wrong way.

Ramsey hasn't gone hard enough about it yet then. Come out in the media and say you're willing to accept the fines and you aren't playing.

He doesn't seem to want to do that because I think he's actually a legit good dude and cares for his teammates, but if he wants out, he's gotta go thermonuclear.

[Mecca]

Ramsey hasn't gone hard enough about it yet then. Come out in the media and say you're willing to accept the fines and you aren't playing.

He doesn't seem to want to do that because I think he's actually a legit good dude and cares for his teammates, but if he wants out, he's gotta go thermonuclear.

I think he thought they'd do what he asked so he tried to not be a fuckhead about it, so now he's caught in the middle.

[O.city]

I think he thought they'd do what he asked so he tried to not be a ****head about it, so now he's caught in the middle.

Yeah, now he's gonna have to go full fuckhead

[arrowheadnation]

His son is running the wrestling promotion, apparently they're huge wrestling fans.

No kidding....I thought Cody Rhodes was the head of creative and storylines. I haven't followed it very closely though. Khan definitely has an affinity for inherently "western" things.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Chiefs have 23.5 mil in cap space right now.

No? $29-30M per the NFLPA report.

[O.city]

Breer tweeted 23.5 today so I don't know.

[RunKC]

Which is inexcusable in an "all-in" season, should they choose to ride it out like that.

What do you want Veach to do? Drive to Jacksonville and hold Khan at gunpoint until he agrees to trade Ramsey?

[ptlyon]

What do you want Veach to do? Drive to Jacksonville and hold Khan at gunpoint until he agrees to trade Ramsey?

I'll provide the gun

[Strongside]

I'll provide the gun

Reported.

[staylor26]

What do you want Veach to do? Drive to Jacksonville and hold Khan at gunpoint until he agrees to trade Ramsey?

Lol people on CP still don’t understand that it takes two to trade.

[mnchiefsguy]

Lol people on CP still don’t understand that it takes two to trade.

Yep. I think there is enough fire that shows that Veach has offered two #1's.

If Jax does not go for it, cannot blame it on Veach---he made a great offer.

He offered a premium price for a premium player.

Hopefully Jax comes back to the table after Ramsey misses a couple more games and is willing to deal.

[jaa1025]

Yep. I think there is enough fire that shows that Veach has offered two #1's.

If Jax does not go for it, cannot blame it on Veach---he made a great offer.

He offered a premium price for a premium player.

Hopefully JAX comes back to the table after Ramsey misses a couple more games and is willing to deal.

Two 1st is an incredible offer for a non QB player. If Claiborne can take Ward's spot on the depth chart then they probably don't need Ramsey at that price anyway. Jacksonville holds the cards for another week or two but as this plays out and Ramsey continues to be a distraction then they might start losing a few offers especially if the neediest team (Chiefs) can upgrade internally.

[chiefsfan15]

I saw Khan also has an ownership stake in a Premier League soccer club (Fulham) and AEW wrestling that debuted on TNT last night.

Fulham are not in the premier league and have only been in the premier league for one year of the last five

[YontsRBake]

Two 1st is an incredible offer for a non QB player. If Claiborne can take Ward's spot on the depth chart then they probably don't need Ramsey at that price anyway. Jacksonville holds the cards for another week or two but as this plays out and Ramsey continues to be a distraction then they might start losing a few offers especially if the neediest team (Chiefs) can upgrade internally.

We likely don’t need anyone. However, it would be good to lengthen the current gap we have at the top.

Ramsey is a gigantic upgrade over any DB we have on the roster.

[arrowheadnation]

Fulham are not in the premier league and have only been in the premier league for one year of the last five

So he owns a shitty soccer team on top of a shitty football team. :)

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Ruled out this week

[chief4life]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Jaguars?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Jaguars</a> have ruled out CB Jalen Ramsey (back) for Sunday and he&#39;ll likely see a specialist soon, per coach Doug Marrone.</p>&mdash; Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) <a href="https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1180169759809257478?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 4, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[TribalElder]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Jaguars?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Jaguars</a> have ruled out CB Jalen Ramsey (back) for Sunday and he&#39;ll likely see a specialist soon, per coach Doug Marrone.</p>&mdash; Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) <a href="https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1180169759809257478?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 4, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

ROFL trollololololol

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Specialist? This could be legit.

[WhawhaWhat]

Specialist? This could be legit.

or he could be going to a non-team doctor that will give him a doctor's note so he doesn't have to play.

[Mecca]

Are we supposed to find it coincidental that he all of the sudden can't play when he wants to be traded and they are refusing to do so?

[O.city]

Lol I’m sure the backs really bothering him

[Sassy Squatch]

If his back really is hurt Jacksonville looks like the biggest schmucks in the NFL. Could've gotten 2 1sts and if this is legit and keeps him out until after the deadline....

[arrowheadnation]

Might as well post this in here....from CBS.com

_________________________________________________________


NFL trade rumors: If Jalen Ramsey isn't available, here are other big-name corners who could be dealt
A look at other notable candidates to be moved during the 2019 season
Cody Benjamin
mugshotby Cody Benjamin
@CodyJBenjamin
6 hrs ago • 4 min read

Jalen Ramsey is easily among the top cornerbacks in the NFL, and it's clear he wants to be traded from the Jacksonville Jaguars. It's also clear, at least publicly, that the Jaguars don't want to trade him.

We've still got four Sundays of football left until the Oct. 29 trade deadline rolls around, so there's still plenty of time for Jacksonville to change its mind, or for Ramsey to make amends with his front office. But what if nothing happens? Even if Ramsey takes his push for a trade to another level, what if the Jaguars refuse to surrender him?

Well, fortunately for teams eyeing secondary help, there are quite a few other big-name corners that could be on the market as the deadline draws closer. None of them come close to Ramsey's level of talent, but they would make for substantial additions nonetheless. Here are seven to keep an eye on:

Chris Harris, Denver Broncos
The four-time Pro Bowler has reiterated his commitment to Denver after suggesting recently he's looking forward to leaving in 2020 free agency, but the writing is on the wall. After holding out this past offseason and settling for a restructured one-year contract in 2019, Harris isn't long for Vic Fangio's defense. He's not been nearly as effective early this year, but he's got a history of strong play both on the outside and in the slot. Denver, meanwhile, is 0-4 and sinking fast, they already have Fangio favorite Bryce Callahan locked up beyond '19, and they could be motivated to stock up on draft capital as they continue rebuilding.

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Patrick Peterson, Arizona Cardinals
An eight-time Pro Bowler, Peterson would be darn near equivalent to Ramsey in this conversation if it weren't for the fact he's six years older and won't be available until Week 7 thanks to a six-game suspension for PED use. Arizona has preached commitment to its longtime play-maker, who has 23 career picks and hadn't missed a single game before 2019, but as they seek their first win of the year and prepare for a build around Kyler Murray under Kliff Kingsbury, who's to say they wouldn't leverage Peterson's resume to get something in exchange for a guy who's set to make $13 million at age 30? They could use the cap space.

Xavien Howard, Miami Dolphins
Howard might be the least likely to be moved of these corners, only because Miami has already racked up cap space and draft picks from its early-season fire sale and because Howard just signed a five-year extension in May. The 26-year-old is also coming off his first Pro Bowl season and would seem to be a strong building block for Brian Flores. Still, can we really rule anything out with the Dolphins? This is a historically bad team with decent odds to go 0-16, and unloading Howard's deal, which has a potential 2022 out, would enable them to embrace the tank like no other. If they can give up on Laremy Tunsil, surely they can here, too.

Dre Kirkpatrick, Cincinnati Bengals
The most established member of the Bengals' cornerback room, which has welcomed first-rounder after first-rounder over the years, Kirkpatrick has been occasionally nicked up in recent years and has logged just one interception since 2017, but he's got tons of experience. The soon-to-be 30-year-old has a deal that runs through 2021, but Cincinnati could be contending with the Dolphins for the No. 1 pick in the 2020 draft. If the Bengals have a chance to get something decent for Kirkpatrick with William Jackson and Darqueze Dennard still on the team, they might not wait around.

Janoris Jenkins, New York Giants
The former Pro Bowler just earned NFC Defensive Player of the Week honors for matching, in Week 4 alone, his pick total from 2018. But he's long been speculated as a potential trade chip, especially considering the Giants are full-on rebuilding around Daniel Jones and just a year ago moved on from Eli Apple. Talent-wise, the 30-year-old former Rams standout has proven capable of making big plays -- and surrendering them. But for a team looking for ball-hawk potential, you could do worse. Jenkins is due $14.75 million in 2020, so if you're New York and sitting well below .500 near the deadline, he could/should be available.

Trumaine Johnson, New York Jets
Few free agents have busted quite like Johnson in recent years, as the former Rams starter went from promising L.A. prospect and franchise player to overpaid reserve in New York. Since landing a five-year, $72.5 million deal with the Jets, he's played 13 games and worked his way into the doghouse. Still, with lots of starts and flashes of takeaway ability under his belt, he could be worth salvaging depending on the price tag. From the Jets' perspective, it'd be hard to see why they wouldn't want to find a taker for him, even if it meant swallowing some of his salary. After spending big in 2019, they could use some cap relief amid a lost season.

Josh Norman, Washington Redskins
Once one of the NFL's premier outside cover men, Norman has seen time on the bench in recent seasons and looks like a shell of his former self in 2019 as part of Washington's porous secondary. He's mostly been durable, however, and still carries enough of his signature aggression to make an impact in a different -- perhaps limited -- role. Jay Gruden might be coaching his team like it still has a shot at the playoffs, but this is a cellar-dwelling roster that deserves a reboot. At age 31, with a $15.5 million cap hit coming in 2020, Norman seems like the surest candidate to be moved outside of star holdout Trent Williams.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sources: Jaguars firm in Jalen Ramsey no-trade stance despite multiple offers.<a href="https://t.co/NeblYN4RVV">https://t.co/NeblYN4RVV</a></p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1180853943343169537?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 6, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Lol they wouldn’t trade him for 5 first rounders lol

[RunKC]

Lot of teams want to make a trade in a few weeks, including us.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There are a handful of teams already being proactive about trades well ahead of the deadline. Here&#39;s who is pushing already to add significant talent: <a href="https://t.co/RQeYsyaHBd">https://t.co/RQeYsyaHBd</a></p>&mdash; Jason La Canfora (@JasonLaCanfora) <a href="https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/status/1180819991307984896?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 6, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[O.city]

So it says in that Ramsey would be willing to play elsewhere without a new contract

[Shag]

So it says in that Ramsey would be willing to play elsewhere without a new contract

Nobody is going to give up that draft collateral without a new deal.

[KChiefs1]

So it says in that Ramsey would be willing to play elsewhere without a new contract



He’d be worth a 5th rounder without a new contract.

[staylor26]

Whoever trades for him still has a year of control. He can be traded again.

[Hammock Parties]

JFC the Pats getting AJ Green scares the shit out of me.

[Sure-Oz]

@MySportsUpdate: #Jaguars have received offers of two 1st-round picks for Jalen Ramsey, but the teams making those offers also wanted a 2nd rounder back in a potential deal, per @AdamSchefter. The #Jaguars continue to insist that they will not trade their star cornerback.

[Bowser]

I'm over trading for this guy. Give me Chris Harris or Patrick Peterson.

[Chief Roundup]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sources: Jaguars firm in Jalen Ramsey no-trade stance despite multiple offers.<a href="https://t.co/NeblYN4RVV">https://t.co/NeblYN4RVV</a></p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1180853943343169537?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 6, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Lol they wouldn’t trade him for 5 first rounders lol

Now that we all know he will not be traded can we move on.

[Bowser]

JFC the Pats getting AJ Green scares the shit out of me.

If they can't land him, they'll get Emmanuel Sanders. Green is obviously more dangerous, but I wouldn't want Sanders there, either.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

I bet Josh Norman can be had for cheap

[Bowser]

I bet Josh Norman can be had for cheap

I'd send a 4th. And Ragland, of course.

[KChiefs1]

Root against the Jags so they might trade Ramsey.

[Chief Roundup]

I bet Josh Norman can be had for cheap

I'd send a 4th. And Ragland, of course.

Norman is more of a zone corner, so it would make sense.

[Simply Red]

This was about 45 mins ago



Per Spott -->>

FWIW, Just saw Jalen Ramsey at the Jacksonville Airport boarding a flight to Houston. Not sure if that’s his final destination, because it’s hard to get a direct flight anywhere from Jacksonville. I still lurk on CP and have seen the Jalen Ramsey thread, but haven’t logged in there in a while.

PS - he was wearing skinny jeans

[Mosbonian]

This was about 45 mins ago



Per Spott -->>

FWIW, Just saw Jalen Ramsey at the Jacksonville Airport boarding a flight to Houston. Not sure if that’s his final destination, because it’s hard to get a direct flight anywhere from Jacksonville. I still lurk on CP and have seen the Jalen Ramsey thread, but haven’t logged in there in a while.

PS - he was wearing skinny jeans

Doubt the Jags would trade him to a division rival....that wouldn't make much sense.

I checked and found about 50 direct flights from Jacksonville, but most were either smaller regional airports or large Midwest and East Coast airports. Houston Intercontinental was one....

Maybe he is catching a flight west from Houston.

[arrowheadnation]

I bet Josh Norman can be had for cheap

If this is what they settle on, I will be highly disappointed. The only reason they should end up going for Norman is if Ramsey, Peterson, and others are absolutely NOT available.

[TribalElder]

PS - he was wearing skinny jeans

LMAO

[RINGLEADER]

If this is what they settle on, I will be highly disappointed. The only reason they should end up going for Norman is if Ramsey, Peterson, and others are absolutely NOT available.

I’d be stunned if the Chiefs took on Norman’s crap contract.

[The Franchise]

I’d be stunned if the Chiefs took on Norman’s crap contract.

$10.8 million this season and $12 million in 2020.

[siberian khatru]

$10.8 million this season and $12 million in 2020.

Fuck that

[Chief Roundup]

Fuck that

Peterson costs more, as does any corner that the fans will be happy with Veach trading for at this point.

[mnchiefsguy]

Peterson costs more, as does any corner that the fans will be happy with Veach trading for at this point.

Peterson is worth the cost, Norman is not.

[scho63]

This thread should be archived.

[ljmhawk]

Peterson is worth the cost, Norman is not.

no he isn’t. he’s aging and is sitting due to steroids...DO NOT WANT

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Houston QB Deshaun Watson today became the first player to pass for at least 400 yards and five touchdowns with five-or-fewer incompletions in a single game in NFL history.<br><br>Look who he celebrated with postgame: <a href="https://t.co/5T44hO93eQ">pic.twitter.com/5T44hO93eQ</a></p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1181009077884854274?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 7, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

He’s in Houston to see a back specialist

[Sassy Squatch]

Forget it. This team has bigger problems than CB.

[In58men]

He’s in Houston to see a back specialist

Can confirm.

[ToxSocks]

Forget it. This team has bigger problems than CB.

Agreed.

[Mecca]

Forget it. This team has bigger problems than CB.

Yea today, until we go back up against a team that likes to pass and we get torched in the secondary.

[Mulliganman]

Agreed.

1000%. Yesterday's game I think showed some areas that need shoring up that aren't going to be fixed with one guy.

The run defense being gashed by team after team isn't fixable with 1 player.

The team needs some fatties along the offensive line to protect Pat.

Part of protecting Pat is a legitimate threat at rb. If that players isn't on the roster ( and I highly doubt the answer is) this will need to be addressed in the draft.

Yes, corner is a need but IMO it would be foolish to give up anything worth what it would take to land Ramsey or Peterson given some of the other needs.

[Mecca]

Pat isn't protected because we don't run the ball....or call quick passes. Personnel isn't to blame nearly as much as the play calls.

And I'm sorry to say this, our team has no desire to play defense, the players change, the coaches change the defense still sucks.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Get a lock down corner to shut one side down. If they can’t stop the run then we got problems

[Mulliganman]

Pat isn't protected because we don't run the ball....or call quick passes. Personnel isn't to blame nearly as much as the play calls.

And I'm sorry to say this, our team has no desire to play defense, the players change, the coaches change the defense still sucks.

I was thinking watching yesterday's game how it reminded me what Mike Martz would do to Kurt Warner. He would completely abandon any semblance of a running game leading to Warner taking a beating, injuries that he almost never recovered from until he got to Zona.

God forbid that happens with Pat. I don't know if Andy just doesn't think anyone on the roster can get it done, but he has to at least try to scheme some for some sort of a threat. And if you don't like what you have at rb, then target it as something to address in the draft.

[comochiefsfan]

If a team decides to pass on us, then they are the stupidest motherfuckers on the planet. I could run for 100+ on this piece of shit defense.

[Mecca]

If a team decides to pass on us, then they are the stupidest motherfuckers on the planet. I could run for 100+ on this piece of shit defense.

I watched Matt Stafford carve up that secondary like it wasn't even there...

This defense isn't good at anything, they don't stop the run, they don't stop the pass they don't get sacks.

[Chief Roundup]

Pat isn't protected because we don't run the ball....or call quick passes. Personnel isn't to blame nearly as much as the play calls.

And I'm sorry to say this, our team has no desire to play defense, the players change, the coaches change the defense still sucks.

There are quick passes and outlets for Mahomes. He chooses not to use them.

[Sure-Oz]

@mortreport: Jalen Ramsey is inactive. He participated only in individual drills this week after doctors found nothing debilitating with his back injury. @Jaguars owner Shad Khan had said he expected Ramsey to play after having a "heart to heart" this week. As always, stay tuned.

@AdamSchefter: Even though Jaguars’ owner Shad Khan said he expected Jalen Ramsey to play today, he will not. Ramsey is inactive. Again.

Oct. 29 trade deadline looms....

[Buckweath]

If Ramsey really intends to be traded, he had not to play today. Otherwise the Jaguars were sweeping it under the carpet.

[TwistedChief]

Ramsey is a fucking savage. Can’t figure out whether to respect the guy more or less.

[BossChief]

I wonder if they’d trade Jack, Bryan or Dareus.

[Chiefshrink]

Personnel isn't to blame nearly as much as the play calls.

:shake: Highly disagree. We have mediocre talent AT BEST along our o-line. Against mediocre to below average d-lines is where we succeed in running and passing BUT when we go against above average d-lines is where we are beginning to struggle mightily especially in pass blocking.

And I'm sorry to say this, our team has no desire to play defense,

No desire ????? Nah, they are just limited talent wise. I think these guys want to play well as anybody but they don't because the majority are just not NFL level competent.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Pat isn't protected because we don't run the ball....or call quick passes. Personnel isn't to blame nearly as much as the play calls.

And I'm sorry to say this, our team has no desire to play defense, the players change, the coaches change the defense still sucks.

Man, that’s a terrible take. The o line stinks, but the deep pass is our bread and butter.

[tk13]

Definitely need to trade 3 firsts for this guy after today. He'll look great with 0 pass targets his way because teams don't need to pass the football.

[JohnnyHammersticks]

Granted he's been shadowing #1 WRs, but...

Jalen Ramsey's stats in his 3 games since joining the Rams:

17 targets
14 catches
14.4 yards per catch
0 INT
0 PBUs

link (https://twitter.com/JeffRatcliffe/status/1194361354083323904)

[MahiMike]

I give him about 2 more losses before he finds out he's on the same team as Bortles and they ain't goin' nowhere.

He'll be demanding to join SF by season end.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Rams have been a disaster

[Skyy God]

Rams have been a disaster

Good thing they paid $100M guaranteed for an 82 rated passer!

That's like 2 points better than 2018 Bortles!!

[Kiimo]

If only the Charvarious Ward thread was as long as the Patrick Peterson and Jalen Ramsay ones considering he's playing much better for far far less

[Skyy God]

Peters, by contrast, has 3 passes defensed and 2 pick-6s in 3 games.

[Setsuna]

Hoez mad ROFL

[Chiefshrink]

Peters, by contrast, has 3 passes defensed and 2 pick-6s in 3 games.

Yes, BUT we all know Peters is just a "route jumper" and that's it !! Peters will deficate the bed in due time and at the worst time I assure.

2 steps forward 3 steps backward Peters.:thumb:

[Buehler445]

Granted he's been shadowing #1 WRs, but...

Jalen Ramsey's stats in his 3 games since joining the Rams:

17 targets
14 catches
14.4 yards per catch
0 INT
0 PBUs

link (https://twitter.com/JeffRatcliffe/status/1194361354083323904)

Woof.

[Imon Yourside]

Chiefs need a shutdown Linebacker.

[FloridaMan88]

The Chiefs missing out on Minkah Fitzpatrick looks more and more painful.

The Chiefs certainly could have used him in the Tennessee game.

[kcclone]

Chiefs need a shutdown Linebacker.



Yes. This

[JohnnyHammersticks]

Chiefs need a shutdown Linebacker.

Worse than any other position on the team by far. Someone to save Thornhill from missing tackles and Mathieu from avoiding them.

[ThaVirus]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When <a href="https://twitter.com/jalenramsey?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@jalenramsey</a> gives up on a team, this is what you get! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BALvsLAR?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BALvsLAR</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Rams?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Rams</a> <a href="https://t.co/FVQO3mUaNb">pic.twitter.com/FVQO3mUaNb</a></p>&mdash; Timothy Nemethy (@timfish_2000) <a href="https://twitter.com/timfish_2000/status/1199166921352138752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[staylor26]

LMAO

Yea that’s really bad

[BryanBusby]

Traded a 2 for Peters, gave him away for hardly anything and traded multiple picks for Peters pt 2. Riveting shit.

[St. Patty's Fire]

I’m extremely glad Veach isn’t a ChiefsPlanet poster (myself included, I wanted the guy too). LMAO

There’s a reason he’s running an NFL team and we’re here posting “did we sign this piece of shit yet”

[Chiefshrink]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When <a href="https://twitter.com/jalenramsey?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@jalenramsey</a> gives up on a team, this is what you get! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BALvsLAR?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BALvsLAR</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Rams?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Rams</a> <a href="https://t.co/FVQO3mUaNb">pic.twitter.com/FVQO3mUaNb</a></p>&mdash; Timothy Nemethy (@timfish_2000) <a href="https://twitter.com/timfish_2000/status/1199166921352138752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Pulled a Peters and Wade thought he got rid of PetersROFL

[Imon Yourside]

Did we trade for this pos yet? :D

[Eleazar]

I’m extremely glad Veach isn’t a ChiefsPlanet poster (myself included, I wanted the guy too). LMAO

There’s a reason he’s running an NFL team and we’re here posting “did we sign this piece of shit yet”

Over time you realize it's typically the same voices who want to trade everything for everyone every time it comes up.

Big packages of picks for malcontents or players who've peaked because we have to win right now, immediately. There might never be a next year, the ceiling's going to cave in at any moment, I've been watching this team too long without a super bowl (as if the Chiefs in the 1980s have anything to do with today), the feeling that we are perpetually a player or two away, etc.,

This need to lean on band-aid fixes. This weird need to try to smash and grab instead of building a dynasty is part of the fan culture for now. It's bizarre.

There's a puzzlingly pervasive idea on CP that this type of trade is what winning teams do, even though it very clearly is not. Loser franchises do things like trade huge packages of picks for guys who aren't QBs or even pass rushers. A loser franchise traded a lot of draft capital for Randy Moss. The winners picked him up a year later from the bargain bin, but mostly just win with their guys.

Put the Madden controllers down

[TribalElder]

it will be hilarious when ramsey forces his way out of that dead end sinking ship in los angeles instead of signing a long term deal

2 firsts for a half season rental

to the ship mcvay

[suzzer99]

I’m extremely glad Veach isn’t a ChiefsPlanet poster (myself included, I wanted the guy too). LMAO

There’s a reason he’s running an NFL team and we’re here posting “did we sign this piece of shit yet”

It was interesting because as the Ramsey drama dragged on, it became apparent that:

1) Our secondary isn't actually that bad

2) We have a lot of other holes to plug if we're gonna win a SB

[RunKC]

And this, friends, is why you should never trade that much compensation for a single entity unless said entity is a highly proven and talented QB or HC.

[Sassy Squatch]

Rams are doomed.

[staylor26]

And this, friends, is why you should never trade that much compensation for a single entity unless said entity is a highly proven and talented QB or HC.

2 1st round picks for a HC would be ridiculously stupid unless it’s prime BB.

[RunKC]

2 1st round picks for a HC would be ridiculously stupid unless it’s prime BB.

Yeah for sure. That’s why that never happens and QB’s are usually FA’s (Manning, Brees) instead of trades.

Situations like that never happen though, but if they did I’d absolutely give up a shit load to get him.

I would give up 5 1st rd picks for Belichick today if the option was on the table.

[chiefzilla1501]

it will be hilarious when ramsey forces his way out of that dead end sinking ship in los angeles instead of signing a long term deal

2 firsts for a half season rental

to the ship mcvay

Kroenke doesn't care. He got the quick wins to establish LA as a prime nfl market. That's all he cared about. Making that team a fast winner. The guys been poison everywhere he's gone and yet the NFL wants to double down on him. Few things more satisfying to know he doesn't win by buying himself a championship.

[Eleazar]

Kroenke doesn't care. He got the quick wins to establish LA as a prime nfl market. That's all he cared about. Making that team a fast winner. The guys been poison everywhere he's gone and yet the NFL wants to double down on him. Few things more satisfying to know he doesn't win by buying himself a championship.

He’s run Arsenal into the ground too.

[Chiefaholic]

Our primary concern should be to stop the run. Our secondary is good enough.

[SAUTO]

Kroenke doesn't care. He got the quick wins to establish LA as a prime nfl market. That's all he cared about. Making that team a fast winner. The guys been poison everywhere he's gone and yet the NFL wants to double down on him. Few things more satisfying to know he doesn't win by buying himself a championship.

He definitely cares...

[O.city]

He definitely cares...

Dude are you alive?

[alpha_omega]

it will be hilarious when ramsey forces his way out of that dead end sinking ship in los angeles instead of signing a long term deal

2 firsts for a half season rental

to the ship mcvay

I have a feeling this is exactly what's gonna happen.

[Chiefspants]

I gotta say, this has made me feel a lot better about the Frank Clark trade.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Pulled a Peters and Wade thought he got rid of PetersROFLWe had "fans" here who said he would always tackle (whereas Peters would not). LMAO.

[DJJasonp]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When <a href="https://twitter.com/jalenramsey?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@jalenramsey</a> gives up on a team, this is what you get! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BALvsLAR?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BALvsLAR</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Rams?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Rams</a> <a href="https://t.co/FVQO3mUaNb">pic.twitter.com/FVQO3mUaNb</a></p>&mdash; Timothy Nemethy (@timfish_2000) <a href="https://twitter.com/timfish_2000/status/1199166921352138752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

How is this not seen in tape review - and not called out on, in front of the whole team?

Seriously.

Ramsey needs a blanket party from Donald and the rest of the D.

[UChieffyBugger]

Are folks really trying to suggest that Ramsey is a bad cb now? REALLY? Before the Ravens game weren't the Rams a top ten defense? Yes, The Rams have big problems to deal with moving forward but the mistake they made wasn't getting Ramsey...the mistake was not doing a contract early and of course the money they spent on Gurley and Goff. I'd give up two firsts for Jalen today no problem...folks are acting like it's easy to get a proven stud picking at 25 or above smh.

[eDave]

How is this not seen in tape review - and not called out on, in front of the whole team?

Seriously.

Ramsey needs a blanket party from Donald and the rest of the D.

Game was over. Everyone threw in the towel.

[srvy]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When <a href="https://twitter.com/jalenramsey?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@jalenramsey</a> gives up on a team, this is what you get! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BALvsLAR?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BALvsLAR</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Rams?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Rams</a> <a href="https://t.co/FVQO3mUaNb">pic.twitter.com/FVQO3mUaNb</a></p>&mdash; Timothy Nemethy (@timfish_2000) <a href="https://twitter.com/timfish_2000/status/1199166921352138752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

We had one of those once and I am damn glad we didnt do it again.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

OMG! OMG! OMG!

START LINING UP THOSE FIRST ROUND PICKS!

DO NOT PICK YOUNG CHEAP PLAYERS IN THE FIRST ROUND OF THE DRAFT! EVER!

YOU MIGHT PICK A TURD AND LOOK BAD!

-Lil' Veachy

[ThaVirus]

Franchise QB didn't throw a single TD the entire month of December, RB has arthritis, soon to have two defenders on $100+m contracts on a bottom 10 defense, and to top it all off they won't have a 1st round pick until 2022.

[Skyy God]

Franchise QB didn't throw a single TD the entire month of December, RB has arthritis, soon to have two defenders on $100+m contracts on a bottom 10 defense, and to top it all off they won't have a 1st round pick until 2022.

It’s almost as if Stan Kronke is a ferret-rugged, gold digging idiot.....

[staylor26]

Franchise QB didn't throw a single TD the entire month of December, RB has arthritis, soon to have two defenders on $100+m contracts on a bottom 10 defense, and to top it all off they won't have a 1st round pick until 2022.

Lol nobody has :D

[PAChiefsGuy]

Yeah for sure. That’s why that never happens and QB’s are usually FA’s (Manning, Brees) instead of trades.

Situations like that never happen though, but if they did I’d absolutely give up a shit load to get him.

I would give up 5 1st rd picks for Belichick today if the option was on the table.

Well that's nice to hear you would like to suck BB off if you could but he's not on the market for a trade.

Either way it's too much. BB is lucky he got to coach the GOAT QB in Brady, a QB who takes far less money than he could demand. Without Brady who knows how many SBs BB wins. He didn't do very well with the Browns now did he?

Patriots are a well run organization from top to bottom. It's not just BB..

[-King-]

OMG! OMG! OMG!

START LINING UP THOSE FIRST ROUND PICKS!

DO NOT PICK YOUNG CHEAP PLAYERS IN THE FIRST ROUND OF THE DRAFT! EVER!

YOU MIGHT PICK A TURD AND LOOK BAD!

-Lil' Veachy

Wut? This post makes no sense

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Wut? This post makes no sense

LMAO

Good God man.

[Chris Meck]

Thing is, you're never "one guy away" unless you don't have an elite QB. Then you are.

I think a lot of Chiefs fans haven't adjusted.

When you look at how teams beat us when they do...Ramsey wouldn't have made a huge difference over the guys we have now.

The difference between good CB play and great CB play is not a huge gap.

We have weak spots in the lineup and most people can pick them out. I don't think a lot of y'all watch other teams much, or you'd realize that's par for the course in the NFL.

Injuries, Run defense and offensive line play have been the biggest problems this season. It's why we've lost games, why we can't run the ball effectively, and why Mahomes missed time.

We'll need to draft well, sign reasonably priced vets and roll with it from here on.

[ThaVirus]

Thing is, you're never "one guy away" unless you don't have an elite QB. Then you are.

I think a lot of Chiefs fans haven't adjusted.

When you look at how teams beat us when they do...Ramsey wouldn't have made a huge difference over the guys we have now.

The difference between good CB play and great CB play is not a huge gap.

We have weak spots in the lineup and most people can pick them out. I don't think a lot of y'all watch other teams much, or you'd realize that's par for the course in the NFL.

Injuries, Run defense and offensive line play have been the biggest problems this season. It's why we've lost games, why we can't run the ball effectively, and why Mahomes missed time.

We'll need to draft well, sign reasonably priced vets and roll with it from here on.

This just isn't true. The difference between a good CB like Charvarious Ward and a great CB like Stephon Gilmore might as well be night and day.

It's akin to the difference between a great WR like Tyreek and a good WR like Watkins. Losing Hill completely changes our offense and the way defenses are able to approach us.

[Chris Meck]

This just isn't true. The difference between a good CB like Charvarious Ward and a great CB like Stephon Gilmore might as well be night and day.

It's akin to the difference between a great WR like Tyreek and a good WR like Watkins. Losing Hill completely changes our offense and the way defenses are able to approach us.

No, Tyreek's skillset is unique. There's a difference between 'excellent' and 'unique'. Tyreek can do things no other WR can do. The threat of those things changes the entire defensive approach.

In today's NFL, with the rules being what they are, the 'shutdown corner' is largely a myth. You're not really allowed to be. So the difference between a 'good' corner like Ward seems to be, and a 'great' corner like Gilmore is a couple of plays a game. Now maybe those are a couple of BIG plays, and maybe not. Would it be awesome to have a Gilmore level CB? Of course. Is it the difference between winning and losing? In any individual game it could be, but probably not statistically over the long haul.


You need to minimize weaknesses, and I think Belichick has shown that a roster of 'good' players with an elite QB can win handfulls of Superbowls, and they've done it with drastically different approaches.

we can argue about the importance of any one of a handful of positions, but it's pretty clear that elite QB play is the most important. Without that you're pissing in the wind.

I think any place you're receiving 'good' play, as in a plus performance game in and game out is not a place where upgrading is a need to win. It's the places where you're receiving sub-par play that need upgrading. The weaknesses.

[ThaVirus]

No, Tyreek's skillset is unique. There's a difference between 'excellent' and 'unique'. Tyreek can do things no other WR can do. The threat of those things changes the entire defensive approach.

In today's NFL, with the rules being what they are, the 'shutdown corner' is largely a myth. You're not really allowed to be. So the difference between a 'good' corner like Ward seems to be, and a 'great' corner like Gilmore is a couple of plays a game. Now maybe those are a couple of BIG plays, and maybe not. Would it be awesome to have a Gilmore level CB? Of course. Is it the difference between winning and losing? In any individual game it could be, but probably not statistically over the long haul..

Is being able to shadow the other team's best receiving threat with little-to-no safety help and still lock them down at an elite level not unique?

Stephon Gilmore and Tre White are shutdown corners in today's NFL so idk how you can say it's a myth.

[-King-]

LMAO

Good God man.

You're in a Ramsey thread talking about Veach spending his first round pick, which he didn't. Try to make a little bit of sense next time.

[FAX]

Are 1st rounders overrated?

Somebody do the math!!! I would, but it's Thanksgiving.

Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.

FAX THE THANKFUL

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Are 1st rounders overrated?

Somebody do the math!!! I would, but it's Thanksgiving.

Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.

FAX THE THANKFUL

A great first rounder from the draft is worth two Jalen Ramsey's when you have to pay Mahomes. Or, do you know the problem with "proven" assets?
They've already proven it to someone else on the cheap and now you're the schlub with the checkbook, hoping your new toy doesn't go all "Comfy Clark" on your ass.

[Sorry]

No, Tyreek's skillset is unique. There's a difference between 'excellent' and 'unique'. Tyreek can do things no other WR can do. The threat of those things changes the entire defensive approach.

In today's NFL, with the rules being what they are, the 'shutdown corner' is largely a myth. You're not really allowed to be. So the difference between a 'good' corner like Ward seems to be, and a 'great' corner like Gilmore is a couple of plays a game. Now maybe those are a couple of BIG plays, and maybe not. Would it be awesome to have a Gilmore level CB? Of course. Is it the difference between winning and losing? In any individual game it could be, but probably not statistically over the long haul.


You need to minimize weaknesses, and I think Belichick has shown that a roster of 'good' players with an elite QB can win handfulls of Superbowls, and they've done it with drastically different approaches.

we can argue about the importance of any one of a handful of positions, but it's pretty clear that elite QB play is the most important. Without that you're pissing in the wind.

I think any place you're receiving 'good' play, as in a plus performance game in and game out is not a place where upgrading is a need to win. It's the places where you're receiving sub-par play that need upgrading. The weaknesses.
Shut down corners are not a myth, just not in large quantities.

[ThaVirus]

Shut down corners are not a myth, just not in large quantities.


Which makes them.... unique!

[Chris Meck]

Is being able to shadow the other team's best receiving threat with little-to-no safety help and still lock them down at an elite level not unique?

Stephon Gilmore and Tre White are shutdown corners in today's NFL so idk how you can say it's a myth.

No, I don't think they are. Not in a Darrell Green/Deion Sanders sort of way.

and from what I've seen, the Patriots often put Gilmore on your #2, bracketing your #1 with a CB and S. That's pretty smart really; a good CB should be able to handle your #2 WR.

What is 'lockdown at an elite level'? What does that mean? We're talking about this in a Jalen Ramsey thread. How 'shutdown' was he against us? With no Tyreek Hill, Watkins had 198 yards and 3 TD's.

No I don't think the difference between 'good' and 'great' given the current rules is worth mortgaging any future picks or massive salary. It's still awesome if you can draft and develop your own 'great' corners; I just don't think it's worth overspending unless you have a real talent problem there.

It's not Madden. You can't have elite talent everywhere. That's not to say it's not better to have great corner play; just that what we're debating is really how much is it worth to you to mortgage for it? And honestly, I think Ward is developing into a VERY good corner.

What we're discussing is the 'one guy away' theory; and if we were as bad in the secondary as last year, I'd say yeah, we should give up the picks and cap space for a Patrick Peterson level player. This season, I would say no, it's not a big point of weakness and so I don't think it's worth the price.

[Don Corlemahomes]

A great first rounder from the draft is worth two Jalen Ramsey's when you have to pay Mahomes. Or, do you know the problem with "proven" assets?
They've already proven it to someone else on the cheap and now you're the schlub with the checkbook, hoping your new toy doesn't go all "Comfy Clark" on your ass.

Dude, are you intoxicated? Your posts are really odd.

[ThaVirus]

No, I don't think they are. Not in a Darrell Green/Deion Sanders sort of way.



and from what I've seen, the Patriots often put Gilmore on your #2, bracketing your #1 with a CB and S. That's pretty smart really; a good CB should be able to handle your #2 WR.



What is 'lockdown at an elite level'? What does that mean? We're talking about this in a Jalen Ramsey thread. How 'shutdown' was he against us? With no Tyreek Hill, Watkins had 198 yards and 3 TD's.



No I don't think the difference between 'good' and 'great' given the current rules is worth mortgaging any future picks or massive salary. It's still awesome if you can draft and develop your own 'great' corners; I just don't think it's worth overspending unless you have a real talent problem there.



It's not Madden. You can't have elite talent everywhere. That's not to say it's not better to have great corner play; just that what we're debating is really how much is it worth to you to mortgage for it? And honestly, I think Ward is developing into a VERY good corner.



What we're discussing is the 'one guy away' theory; and if we were as bad in the secondary as last year, I'd say yeah, we should give up the picks and cap space for a Patrick Peterson level player. This season, I would say no, it's not a big point of weakness and so I don't think it's worth the price.


Bro, you’re saying a BUNCH of shit. I don’t care to dissect it all.

You originally said the difference between a good CB and a great CB isn’t a huge gap. That’s fucking bullshit.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Dude, are you intoxicated? Your posts are really odd.

"Chiefs Football: It makes you really odd".

[Chris Meck]

Bro, you’re saying a BUNCH of shit. I don’t care to dissect it all.

You originally said the difference between a good CB and a great CB isn’t a huge gap. That’s ****ing bullshit.

Yeah, I was explaining, even so much as to give you a direct example of a supposed shutdown corner in the post named after said 'shutdown corner'.

Sorry that was too hard for you to follow.

If a SHUTDOWN CORNER means a Sammy Watkins goes for 198 yards and 3 TD's, then yeah, I say it's not a big difference. Certainly not worth giving up #1 picks and a ton of cash.

How's that?

[ThaVirus]

Yeah, I was explaining, even so much as to give you a direct example of a supposed shutdown corner in the post named after said 'shutdown corner'.

Sorry that was too hard for you to follow.

If a SHUTDOWN CORNER means a Sammy Watkins goes for 198 yards and 3 TD's, then yeah, I say it's not a big difference. Certainly not worth giving up #1 picks and a ton of cash.

How's that?


Jalen Ramsey hasn’t been a shutdown CB since like 2017. I named two shutdown corners in 2019.

There’s a huge fucking difference between say Brandon Flowers in his prime (a good CB) and 2009 Darrelle Revis (a great CB). To argue otherwise is just asinine.

[Chris Meck]

Jalen Ramsey hasn’t been a shutdown CB since like 2017. I named two shutdown corners in 2019.

There’s a huge ****ing difference between say Brandon Flowers in his prime (a good CB) and 2009 Darrelle Revis (a great CB). To argue otherwise is just asinine.

in terms of cost/benefit and team wins? Not really.

I was trying to explain to you that you're not understanding what I'm saying.

But you do you.

[Dante84]

God. What if he just fucks the Rams and decides to go to free agency without re-signing?

[Chris Meck]

Jalen Ramsey hasn’t been a shutdown CB since like 2017. I named two shutdown corners in 2019.

There’s a huge ****ing difference between say Brandon Flowers in his prime (a good CB) and 2009 Darrelle Revis (a great CB). To argue otherwise is just asinine.

Yet another way to explain as simply as possible:

It's great to have a great CB. It's maybe not worth it to BUY a great CB when you have GOOD CB's and have weak areas elsewhere that are costing you games.

I'm not comparing individual players. Of course Flowers wasn't as good as Revis. Or Ward (yet) as Gilmore. What I'm saying is the team is not being negatively impacted so it's not worth the COST at this point in time. Might've been last year.

In terms of championships, team wins, draft picks, and cap space.

[staylor26]

God. What if he just fucks the Rams and decides to go to free agency without re-signing?

Umm franchise tag?

[Dante84]

Umm franchise tag?

Ah, yeah. He could sit out /demand a trade though. Still foolish of them to not have a contract in place before trading for him.

Their future is dim with Goff, Gurley’s knees and and no first round draft picks for the next fiftyleven years.

Might be the best move on their part, tbh.

[ThaVirus]

in terms of cost/benefit and team wins? Not really.



I was trying to explain to you that you're not understanding what I'm saying.



But you do you.

I don’t need you to explain anything. I wouldn’t disagree that burning two 1sts for a CB and hoping he can play like prime Revis is not a good idea. I have no issue with you saying that.

Again, I have an issue with you saying there’s not a huge gap between good and great CBs. You certainly didn’t mean it in a “cost analysis” way either because you immediately doubled down and said you think shutdown corners are a myth.

Just say that you misspoke and we can move on.

[Chris Meck]

I don’t need you to explain anything. I wouldn’t disagree that burning two 1sts for a CB and hoping he can play like prime Revis is not a good idea. I have no issue with you saying that.

Again, I have an issue with you saying there’s not a huge gap between good and great CBs. You certainly didn’t mean it in a “cost analysis” way either because you immediately doubled down and said you think shutdown corners are a myth.

Just say that you misspoke and we can move on.

They are.

I don't see anything like prime Revis in today's NFL. You can disagree. That was a 'shutdown' corner. The rules were called differently in his prime.

There are still guys that are great, and there are guys that are good, but the rules are as such to make it really difficult to be 'shut down'. As in your #1 WR gets nothing one on one all day long.

Gilmore's about as good as it gets; and he's often on the #2 WR as BB likes to bracket the #1 WR with a CB and a S and leave his best corner on the #2. Patrick and Tyreek and company hung 40 and a gazillion yards on that defense last year. How 'shutdown' was he?

And so, yes, I don't believe there's all that much difference in having a plus player at the position and a PLUS PLUS player. Not when there other problem areas on the defense, and not in regards to cost to BUY an elite corner.



But whatever. You can be obstinate if you want.

[BossChief]

Ramsey is on the 5th year option next season then can be tagged after that, depending on the new CBA.

[ThaVirus]

They are.

I don't see anything like prime Revis in today's NFL. You can disagree. That was a 'shutdown' corner. The rules were called differently in his prime.

There are still guys that are great, and there are guys that are good, but the rules are as such to make it really difficult to be 'shut down'. As in your #1 WR gets nothing one on one all day long.

Gilmore's about as good as it gets; and he's often on the #2 WR as BB likes to bracket the #1 WR with a CB and a S and leave his best corner on the #2. Patrick and Tyreek and company hung 40 and a gazillion yards on that defense last year. How 'shutdown' was he?

And so, yes, I don't believe there's all that much difference in having a plus player at the position and a PLUS PLUS player. Not when there other problem areas on the defense, and not in regards to cost to BUY an elite corner.



But whatever. You can be obstinate if you want.


Hmm, you don’t see anything like possibly the greatest CB season ever recorded? Well gee, that’s weird.

You keep talking about last season. BB used to have Gilmore shadow the #2 but lately he’s been having him shadow the #1.

Idk why you keep pointing to one or two games as if it’s some sort of gotcha moment. You realize Deion Sanders and Darrelle Revis allowed catches, big plays and TDs, right? They also played on teams that got smacked from time to time. Didn’t strip them of the shutdown title.

[Chris Meck]

Hmm, you don’t see anything like possibly the greatest CB season ever recorded? Well gee, that’s weird.

You keep talking about last season. BB used to have Gilmore shadow the #2 but lately he’s been having him shadow the #1.

Idk why you keep pointing to one or two games as if it’s some sort of gotcha moment. You realize Deion Sanders and Darrelle Revis allowed catches, big plays and TDs, right? They also played on teams that got smacked from time to time. Didn’t strip them of the shutdown title.


well, then your title of 'shutdown' doesn't really mean much, does it?

So yeah, myth.

There's no such thing as a corner that can just 'shut down' your #1 WR consistently, week in and week out. Especially not now, with these PI rules.

Would I like to have Gilmore? Sure. Instead of Ward? Sure. Do I want to pay him or trade #1's for him when I can get plus level play out of Ward? Nah.

[ThaVirus]

well, then your title of 'shutdown' doesn't really mean much, does it?



So yeah, myth.



There's no such thing as a corner that can just 'shut down' your #1 WR consistently, week in and week out. Especially not now, with these PI rules.



Would I like to have Gilmore? Sure. Instead of Ward? Sure. Do I want to pay him or trade #1's for him when I can get plus level play out of Ward? Nah.


You’re really fucking stupid

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Stephon Gilmore 2019 coverage stats:<br>11 games<br>53 targets<br>19 receptions<br>36% completion<br>223 yards<br>0 touchdowns allowed<br>4 INT<br>10 PBU<br>18.04 Passer Rating<br><br>Best cornerback in football.<a href="https://twitter.com/BumpNrunGilm0re?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BumpNrunGilm0re</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Patriots?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Patriots</a></p>— El Capitãn (@DomGonzo12) <a href="https://twitter.com/DomGonzo12/status/1198760515377467398?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 25, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Chris Meck]

You’re really ****ing stupid

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Stephon Gilmore 2019 coverage stats:<br>11 games<br>53 targets<br>19 receptions<br>36% completion<br>223 yards<br>0 touchdowns allowed<br>4 INT<br>10 PBU<br>18.04 Passer Rating<br><br>Best cornerback in football.<a href="https://twitter.com/BumpNrunGilm0re?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BumpNrunGilm0re</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Patriots?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Patriots</a></p>— El Capitãn (@DomGonzo12) <a href="https://twitter.com/DomGonzo12/status/1198760515377467398?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 25, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


You really don't even understand the point. You're arguing bullshit. Are you like 12?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

The next evolution of the shutdown CB will arrive, it's just a matter of time. Athletes and coaches will find a way.

[Chris Meck]

The next evolution of the shutdown CB will arrive, it's just a matter of time. Athletes and coaches will find a way.

They WOULD, except that the league keeps changing things to benefit offense because it sells tickets.

Seems like with every advancement in defense, it gets countered with a rule change. Or, excuse me, EMPHASIS.

I used to love watching the James Hasty/Lester Hayes type corners just mugging the shit out of receivers.

Those guys wouldn't even make a 53 man roster now. They never had the speed to run with top receivers downfield, they just beat the fuck out of them instead.

That was fun.

[ThaVirus]

You really don't even understand the point. You're arguing bullshit. Are you like 12?

I understand some other points you were making. I even agree and I said as much:


I don’t need you to explain anything. I wouldn’t disagree that burning two 1sts for a CB and hoping he can play like prime Revis is not a good idea. I have no issue with you saying that.

See?

Here's the point you repeatedly tried to make that I disagreed with:

The difference between good CB play and great CB play is not a huge gap.

In today's NFL, with the rules being what they are, the 'shutdown corner' is largely a myth. You're not really allowed to be.

No, I don't think they are. Not in a Darrell Green/Deion Sanders sort of way.

I don't see anything like prime Revis in today's NFL. You can disagree. That was a 'shutdown' corner. The rules were called differently in his prime.

well, then your title of 'shutdown' doesn't really mean much, does it?

So yeah, myth.

Here's the fact of the matter:



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Stephon Gilmore 2019 coverage stats:<br>11 games<br>53 targets<br>19 receptions<br>36% completion<br>223 yards<br>0 touchdowns allowed<br>4 INT<br>10 PBU<br>18.04 Passer Rating<br><br>Best cornerback in football.<a href="https://twitter.com/BumpNrunGilm0re?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BumpNrunGilm0re</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Patriots?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Patriots</a></p>— El Capitãn (@DomGonzo12) <a href="https://twitter.com/DomGonzo12/status/1198760515377467398?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 25, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Stephon Gilmore is a shutdown corner by every metric and every definition of the word. It's evident in the insane numbers he's posting this season. Stop trying to argue otherwise. You're just wrong af.

[RunKC]

Ramsey is on the 5th year option next season then can be tagged after that, depending on the new CBA.

He can easily hold out if he gets franchise tagged.

[Skyy God]

He can easily hold out if he gets franchise tagged.

Yup, like half the season.

How bad have the Rams moves been lately?

Donald is the only solid contract. Gurley, Goff, and Ramsey all look like abject disasters.

And signing Cooks is going to force them to lose Kupp.

[BossChief]

He can easily hold out if he gets franchise tagged.

That’s 2 seasons from now.

When the new CBA will be in place.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

So glad KC didn't deal for him...

[Hammock Parties]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jalen Ramsey on 3rd and 16 with the season on the line <a href="https://t.co/BUh74s8yed">pic.twitter.com/BUh74s8yed</a></p>&mdash; Eric Rosenthal (@ericsports) <a href="https://twitter.com/ericsports/status/1208607218137882625?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 22, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Deberg_1990]

Wow. It’s like he just quit.

[Pitt Gorilla]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jalen Ramsey on 3rd and 16 with the season on the line <a href="https://t.co/BUh74s8yed">pic.twitter.com/BUh74s8yed</a></p>&mdash; Eric Rosenthal (@ericsports) <a href="https://twitter.com/ericsports/status/1208607218137882625?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 22, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Chief Fan wanted to trade multiple firsts for this clown.

[BossChief]

Whew

Dodged that bullet

[rabblerouser]

Wow. It’s like he just quit.

Safety was supposed to cover on top, but took the outside way too far

[Eleazar]

Look at a replay showing the whole field. Rapp obviously blew it.

https://twitter.com/nflnetwork/status/1208602979110010880

[Sofa King]

Did I hear it right that he got his FIRST pick in this game of the whole season, but also got voted to the pro bowl?

[Setsuna]

It's fine....let these "get off my lawn" posters keep thinking he's cancer. You can't change their addled minds.

[The Franchise]

Did I hear it right that he got his FIRST pick in this game of the whole season, but also got voted to the pro bowl?

Shows you what the PB is worth.

Frank Clark never should have made it either.

[jjjayb]

Look at a replay showing the whole field. Rapp obviously blew it.

https://twitter.com/nflnetwork/status/1208602979110010880

Sure, Rapp was way out of position. But what the hell was Ramsey doing? He was running 5 yards behind his guy. He wasn't in position to make any kind of play.

[scho63]

Sure, Rapp was way out of position. But what the hell was Ramsey doing? He was running 5 yards behind his guy. He wasn't in position to make any kind of play.

Looked like he was thinking of what he wanted from Santa and just zoned out. LMAO

[ThaVirus]

Sure, Rapp was way out of position. But what the hell was Ramsey doing? He was running 5 yards behind his guy. He wasn't in position to make any kind of play.

It's difficult to defend his non-chalant, lackadaisical demeanor but I'd guess he was expecting safety help over the top. Seems he was looking to undercut Sanders on his break at the 1st down marker (which obviously never came).

[rabblerouser]

Did I hear it right that he got his FIRST pick in this game of the whole season, but also got voted to the pro bowl?

First pick as a Ram. Was it the first one of the season for Ramsey?

Don't matter, Pro Bowl is just a popularity contest.

[rabblerouser]

It's fine....let these "get off my lawn" posters keep thinking he's cancer. You can't change their addled minds.

Dude was NOT worth 2 first round draft picks, cancer or not.

[NJChiefsFan]

Looked like he was thinking of what he wanted from Santa and just zoned out. LMAO

I don't think he "zoned" out enough if you know what I mean.

[suzzer99]

I'm sick of all the punditry, so I'm watching every game this season on gamepass - even the losses.

All I have to say from game 1 is FUCK RAMSEY. That douche deliberately injured Hill. I'm glad he got stuck on the shitty-ass Rams and his contract is going to sink them for years go come. We dodged a major bullet there.

[bobhill]

Forgot about him. But I agree with you.

[Buehler445]

I'm sick of all the punditry, so I'm watching every game this season on gamepass - even the losses.

All I have to say from game 1 is FUCK RAMSEY. That douche deliberately injured Hill. I'm glad he got stuck on the shitty-ass Rams and his contract is going to sink them for years go come. We dodged a major bullet there.

Yeah. I wish clay would have gifted up Ramsey crating after Hill and Watkins beat his ass like a drum.

[Eleazar]

I was so sad when we didn't get Ramsey and our season went down the tubes.

[Chiefshrink]

It's difficult to defend his non-chalant, lackadaisical demeanor but I'd guess he was expecting safety help over the top. Seems he was looking to undercut Sanders on his break at the 1st down marker (which obviously never came).

This.

[Frosty]

Remember when there was no way we were beating the Patriots in the play-offs without trading for Ramsey? LMAO

[staylor26]

This is fun to revisit. Everybody look at this buttfucking moron:

Can’t wait for Veach to get fired. Aggressive but targets the wrong guys. Has tunnel vision. Can’t draft.


You’re right he won’t be. We have a Badass QB and coach. We had a chance to build something that could last a few years and then to rebuild in areas but Mahomes is gonna go the Rodgers route. We may get 1 Super Bowl with him but Veach has sucked. Mahomes and Reid will keep him off the hot seat for awhile.


I’ll be happy to admit if I’m wrong but i won’t be. Everyone has their opinion and I understand the other side. I’m just great at this and rarely wrong. I have several Madden franchise titles to prove that.

Wrong. Never said 100%. But I’m amazing at this and I’m telling you Ramsey is the difference between super bowl or falling short again. Veach went all in with out pushing in all the chips. #veachisabeach


Yea this is terrible for the chiefs. People overvalue picks and don’t recognize the importance of the trade. This will come back to bite the Chiefs. This was a all in year and people saying we shouldn’t have gave up that much are going to be complaining when we fail in the playoffs the next couple years.

[Gravedigger]

Glad we have the majority of our draft ammo going into the Combine.

[Raiderhater]

I’ll admit to being wrong about thinking we needed Ramsey. Clearly we didn’t.

And on a semi-related note - I’m looking forward to, hopefully, watching Fenton continue to develop.

[FloridaMan88]

Ramsey is still a jackass...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Lesson learned. Do not ask Jalen Ramsey about his contract. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HardKnocks?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#HardKnocks</a> <a href="https://t.co/zburTTfPlk">pic.twitter.com/zburTTfPlk</a></p>&mdash; Jordan Dajani (@JordanDajani) <a href="https://twitter.com/JordanDajani/status/1293376597073043459?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 12, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[RealSNR]

Also, staylor nailed it from the beginning. I think Jalen Ramsey is probably gay.

[staylor26]

Also, staylor nailed it from the beginning. I think Jalen Ramsey is probably gay.


https://i.imgur.com/HLiKkap.gif

[Pitt Gorilla]

I’ll admit to being wrong about thinking we needed Ramsey. Clearly we didn’t.

And on a semi-related note - I’m looking forward to, hopefully, watching Fenton continue to develop.
If the Chiefs wanted a top 10 corner, they would have kept Marcus Peters. Instead, they opted for a talented young safety, who was playing really well until the Chiefs agreed to play on a patch of mush.

Now that Ward can actually see, we're going to have to pay him like a top 10 corner to retain him long term.

[Titty Meat]

Also, staylor nailed it from the beginning. I think Jalen Ramsey is probably gay.

You can hook up with dudes a few times and not be considered gay tho

[RN47]

You can hook up with dudes a few times and not be considered gay tho



https://media2.giphy.com/media/foaPs2ORHVqDFyRRee/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e47a480f2ef68df6779b29dc8d6419340850e478e41&rid=giphy.gif

[In58men]

Ramsey is still a jackass...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Lesson learned. Do not ask Jalen Ramsey about his contract. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HardKnocks?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#HardKnocks</a> <a href="https://t.co/zburTTfPlk">pic.twitter.com/zburTTfPlk</a></p>&mdash; Jordan Dajani (@JordanDajani) <a href="https://twitter.com/JordanDajani/status/1293376597073043459?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 12, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That shit would get annoying though.

I’d hate to be ask over and over, everyone has their limits. I don’t see him as being a “jackass”.

[CoMoChief]

You can hook up with dudes a few times and not be considered gay tho

LMAO ok....

[Jewish Rabbi]

You can hook up with dudes a few times and not be considered gay tho

What’s the limit

[tyecopeland]

Remember when there was no way we were beating the Patriots in the play-offs without trading for Ramsey? LMAO

We didn't.

[RealSNR]

You can hook up with dudes a few times and not be considered gay tho

Hey dude there's nothing wrong with it or anything like that! Y'know, like... if you're gay, then you're gay. It's cool.

[wazu]

That shit would get annoying though.

I’d hate to be ask over and over, everyone has their limits. I don’t see him as being a “jackass”.

Agreed. Nothing jackass at all, there. It does seem to contradict what I remember his stance to be when he was in Jacksonville. Seems like at this point he's just praying to have a good season and hit free agency for a big payday.

[ThaVirus]

Ramsey is still a jackass...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Lesson learned. Do not ask Jalen Ramsey about his contract. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HardKnocks?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#HardKnocks</a> <a href="https://t.co/zburTTfPlk">pic.twitter.com/zburTTfPlk</a></p>&mdash; Jordan Dajani (@JordanDajani) <a href="https://twitter.com/JordanDajani/status/1293376597073043459?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 12, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That shit would get annoying though.

I’d hate to be ask over and over, everyone has their limits. I don’t see him as being a “jackass”.

Yeah, I didn't see an issue either. Reporters are annoying af. Belichick does similar shit and no one bats an eye.

[Fansy the Famous Bard]

Yeah, I didn't see an issue either. Reporters are annoying af. Belichick does similar shit and no one bats an eye.

1. He's been doing the same schtick for 30 years of coaching and 2. Everyone knows he's a jackass and he's been called a prick for 30 years. 3. He's won more superbowls than Jesus.

[Deberg_1990]

This will go down in history as the best non trade in Chiefs history

[ToxSocks]

That shit would get annoying though.

I’d hate to be ask over and over, everyone has their limits. I don’t see him as being a “jackass”.

Agreed. Nothing jackass at all, there. It does seem to contradict what I remember his stance to be when he was in Jacksonville. Seems like at this point he's just praying to have a good season and hit free agency for a big payday.

Did you guys watch the episode? Because it's actually worse in context.

He was asked whether or not having a contract in place before the season begins is important to him. He gave his non-answer answer and was asked again.

He initially starts out with a normal reaction, but as he continues talking he gradually loses self control until his tantrum ends and he storms out of the room. The Rams PR staff had to get him to sit back down and that's where the tweet begins. The tweet actually starts AFTER his tantrum.

Most sane people can handle being asked a question twice without losing their shit and throwing a tantrum.

He's definitely a head case with an inability to control his emotion.

Though of course one could argue that a little bit of crazy is a necessary part of the job.

[ToxSocks]

Yeah, I didn't see an issue either. Reporters are annoying af. Belichick does similar shit and no one bats an eye.

I'm pretty sure everyone calls BB an asshole for how he handles reporters so i don't know what you're talking about.

BB's dickheadedness is legendary, which is why you brought it up. To say "no one bats an eye" just doesn't make any sense.

If that were true, you never would've mentioned him in the first place.

[ToxSocks]

If you want to name a guy who can be a dick to the media and "no one bats an eye", look no further than Andy Reid.

You ask him a repetitive or stupid question and his death stare will burn a hole through the back of your skull.

[staylor26]

I'm pretty sure everyone calls BB an asshole for how he handles reporters so i don't know what you're talking about.

BB's dickheadedness is legendary, which is why you brought it up. To say "no one bats an eye" just doesn't make any sense.

If that were true, you never would've mentioned him in the first place.

Exactly.

[RealSNR]

If you want to name a guy who can be a dick to the media and "no one bats an eye", look no further than Andy Reid.

You ask him a repetitive or stupid question and his death stare will burn a hole through the back of your skull.

Or he'll just passive-aggressively fuck you over when you're trying to do your job.

Don't get me wrong. Sal is a fucking asshole and had this coming. But most people don't expect Andy Reid to be the one to hand him his own ass.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/uY0BfrgsJvk" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[RedRaider56]

If you want to name a guy who can be a dick to the media and "no one bats an eye", look no further than Andy Reid.

You ask him a repetitive or stupid question and his death stare will burn a hole through the back of your skull.

Another one who is well known for being a jerk is Greg Popovich of the Spurs. Initially his schtick was thought to be funny and everyone wanted the sideline interview with him.
Now he has gone complete BB jerk mode and is quite annoying, but they still put up with him

[Titty Meat]

What’s the limit

Til u decide to marry or your anus prolapses

[Sassy Squatch]

Sal was still talking shit about Reid's family during the Super Bowl media blitz this year.

[ThaVirus]

I'm pretty sure everyone calls BB an asshole for how he handles reporters so i don't know what you're talking about.

BB's dickheadedness is legendary, which is why you brought it up. To say "no one bats an eye" just doesn't make any sense.

If that were true, you never would've mentioned him in the first place.


Well you could make that argument for damn near anyone then, including your example of Reid. Clearly someone batted an eye because you did, I did and so did the dude who posted that YouTube clip.

Belichick is a douche and he gets testy with spots reporters. Maybe it’s just because he’s been doing it for so long and he’s BB so he’s got a ton of clout, but I don’t really hear anyone calling the guy out for being a jackass like many are for Ramsey.

I think the only difference is that Ramsey is like 25 and has not learned to navigate douchebag reporters as well as guys like BB, Pop and Reid. I wouldn’t say he’s a jackass based on solely this instance, though.

[staylor26]

You’re right. He’s not a jackass based “solely” on this incident.

He’s a jackass based on all of them.

[ThaVirus]

You’re right. He’s not a jackass based “solely” on this incident.

He’s a jackass based on all of them.

Oh, yeah. Guy's a mega douche lol

[jallmon]

You can hook up with dudes a few times and not be considered gay tho

lol Back in the Navy days, I was on the aircraft carrier JFK. A friend of mine, who worked in another radar shop, and I both had security clearances because of our work. We went out on the town, Norfolk, and ended up separated. The next morning I went to my friends shop and he was pissed. Evidently the night before he had let someone blow him in the men's room in the Norfolk bus depot (hard to believe that things like that could happen in the Norfolk bus depot men's room).

He said to me, "They took my security clearance for committing homosexual acts. Hell, he blew me, I didn't blow him!" No matter how compelling the argument was, it didn't work.

[Titty Meat]

lol Back in the Navy days, I was on the aircraft carrier JFK. A friend of mine, who worked in another radar shop, and I both had security clearances because of our work. We went out on the town, Norfolk, and ended up separated. The next morning I went to my friends shop and he was pissed. Evidently the night before he had let someone blow him in the men's room in the Norfolk bus depot (hard to believe that things like that could happen in the Norfolk bus depot men's room).

He said to me, "They took my security clearance for committing homosexual acts. Hell, he blew me, I didn't blow him!" No matter how compelling the argument was, it didn't work.

Wtf lol

[Pitt Gorilla]

Or he'll just passive-aggressively **** you over when you're trying to do your job.

Don't get me wrong. Sal is a ****ing asshole and had this coming. But most people don't expect Andy Reid to be the one to hand him his own ass.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/uY0BfrgsJvk" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>That was pretty tame.