NFL requiring Covid Vaccination to a certain degree

[htismaqe]

Ok so then my girlfriend's mother whom she talks to every night on the Facebook portal on the tv is lying to her and me that people are using their sexuality or gender identity as a reason to not get the vaccine and it is being allowed. She is the administrative RN at Saint Francis Memorial. I have a hard time thinking she is lying to us. With the stuff that you two are known for on this forum. Well it is an easy choice as to whom I am going to believe.

Dude, gender and sexual identity are protected classses in California. Seriously, it appears like you have zero idea what's going on there.

[Chief Pagan]

Yada yada yada magic of the free market yada yada yada.

Just because big pharma is another evil company doesn't mean vaccines aren't wonder drugs that can save thousands of lives and reduce the suffering of millions more.

Yes, I get why somebody who is relatively young and healthy might think they don't need it.

Although it shouldn't just be about the fatality rate or spreading the virus or giving the virus a chance to mutate, although those are valid reasons. Even low risk individuals can get sick enough to miss work and/or take sick leave. If they get sick enough, they will go to the hospital and occupy a bed. Depending on their insurance, somebody else end up sharing the medical cost through higher premiums or higher taxes that could have been avoided.

Sure, people can and will refuse the vaccine and that's that. But its disingenuous or naive to say it doesn't affect anyone else.

[BlackOp]

Just because big pharma is another evil company doesn't mean vaccines aren't wonder drugs that can save thousands of lives and reduce the suffering of millions more.



No one is saying a vaccine inst a positive thing when the development is in ethical hands...when it gets tied to enforcing political agendas and billions of dollars are in play, it becomes something else.

The process has been compromised...and chemical based pharma companies were formed with the sole purpose of being able to patent cures. Rockefeller was a big part of the transition away from holistic medicine....they accomplished this by bribing elite colleges and having their press demonize it...and ostracize those doctors that wouldn't play ball. They literally created a propaganda campaign against natural medicine.

Most people dont know the real history behind these companies...it was always about synthetic cures that they could own....monopoly control.

They have never been ethical from their inception...

It switched from trying solve disease and cure people...to profiting from it and exploiting the sick.

[RealSNR]

No..they are much, MUCH worse as they exploit the sick and vulnerable.

Again, we're not talking about boner pills or cures for restless leg syndrome. We're not talking about rigorous painkillers or drugs with a million different side effects.

We're talking about vaccines. Period. That's it. No recurring prescriptions. No monthly payments or insurance payments or jack shit like that.

The government said, "Here's the money. Give us a vaccine."

The one they've got (which they're in direct competition with 4 different ways) is pretty damn good. The mRNA technology is a testament of mankind's creativity and ingenuity.

If you want to argue that they didn't make it as good or potent or effective in the first batch on purpose all because you saw some hook-nosed mustache-twirling board member say something objectionable about profit margins one time, then sure, I'll bounce it back your way... I guess you can choose what you want to believe.

But the vaccine wasn't "rushed." The technology isn't "untested." And it's absolutely ridiculous to think that in something as delicate and precise as developing an mRNA vaccine with an efficacy in the 90s that they "cut corners" on purpose.

[Anglina65]

can you hear me

[BigRedChief]

can you hear meYes, but why should we listen?:hmmm:

[Chief Roundup]

Dude, gender and sexual identity are protected classses in California. Seriously, it appears like you have zero idea what's going on there.Right. Those are more people that can manipulate the "system" to not get a vaccine. Like I said it is or should be easier to get out a vaccine there than other states if you have any qualifying reason since there will be more qualifying reasons there than in other states.

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[stevieray]

.

If you want to argue that they didn't make it as good or potent or effective in the first batch on purpose all because you saw some hook-nosed mustache-twirling board member say something objectionable about profit margins one time,.

:rolleyes:

stick to teaching music, Dr. SNR.

[Rainbarrel]

Today the eagle is majestic, graceful. Free to roam the skies and fill you with national pride. Yesterday the eagle was a savage predator. Praying on the weak and dieing. Raiding fowl farms and dinning on beloved family cats.

[htismaqe]

Right. Those are more people that can manipulate the "system" to not get a vaccine. Like I said it is or should be easier to get out a vaccine there than other states if you have any qualifying reason since there will be more qualifying reasons there than in other states.

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You're assuming that people will try to sell the idea that they are trans when they're not, just to get out of taking a vaccine.

At the risk of injecting politics, have you considered the type of person that doesn't want the vaccine and whether or not they would even entertain the idea of masquerading as LGBTQ?

You can't really fake protected status. And the one "protected" status that is easy to fake - religion - isn't always valid in California, unless your Wiccan or Muslim.

[tk13]

This is another failure of logic. I'm sure pharmaceutical groups are out to make money and see people as consumers, that's probably 100% true. We have decades of evidence of that. But there's a lot of money to be made with these vaccines. I don't get that argument. If one of them messes this vaccine up their reputation is probably ruined forever. If they succeed they're going to make BILLIONS of dollars. They have every financial incentive to succeed here and make sure their product works. Does that mean it will? I guess time will tell. I'm not saying yes or no. We'll have to see where we're sitting a year from now. But the general argument (that they're only out to make money) is in direct conflict with the idea that there's something nefarious going on here. The correct business play is to make the best vaccine and you're gonna get rich. I mean really rich.

[htismaqe]

This is another failure of logic. I'm sure pharmaceutical groups are out to make money and see people as consumers, that's probably 100% true. We have decades of evidence of that. But there's a lot of money to be made with these vaccines. I don't get that argument. If one of them messes this vaccine up their reputation is probably ruined forever. If they succeed they're going to make BILLIONS of dollars. They have every financial incentive to succeed here and make sure their product works. Does that mean it will? I guess time will tell. I'm not saying yes or no. But the general argument (that they're only out to make money) is in direct conflict with the idea that there's something nefarious going on here. The correct business play is to make the best vaccine and you're gonna get rich. I mean really rich.

I think the truth lies somewhere in between.

It's all about risk vs. reward.

It would be foolish, as you say, for them to take too many chances because failure would mean ruin and the loss of billions in potential profits.

However, profit is also directly related to cost. They're not going to take every step necessary to ensure success. They're going to take only the steps necessary to give them the best chance of success, at the lowest cost possible.

That's just corporate business 101.

[stevieray]

I think the truth lies somewhere in between.

It's all about risk vs. reward.

It would be foolish, as you say, for them to take too many chances because failure would mean ruin and the loss of billions in potential profits.

However, profit is also directly related to cost. They're not going to take every step necessary to ensure success. They're going to take only the steps necessary to give them the best chance of success, at the lowest cost possible.



That's just corporate business 101.

Healthcare stopped being about health a looong time ago.

My wife was recently in the hospital.

doc came by to basically say hi, didn't do anything.

Cost? almost $800.00 for less than three minutes of his "time".

[BIG_DADDY]

This is another failure of logic. I'm sure pharmaceutical groups are out to make money and see people as consumers, that's probably 100% true. We have decades of evidence of that. But there's a lot of money to be made with these vaccines. I don't get that argument. If one of them messes this vaccine up their reputation is probably ruined forever. If they succeed they're going to make BILLIONS of dollars. They have every financial incentive to succeed here and make sure their product works. Does that mean it will? I guess time will tell. I'm not saying yes or no. We'll have to see where we're sitting a year from now. But the general argument (that they're only out to make money) is in direct conflict with the idea that there's something nefarious going on here. The correct business play is to make the best vaccine and you're gonna get rich. I mean really rich.

Vaccine industry is the only one in our country that you cannot sue in a regular court of law. You have to go to a special vaccine court that makes it 1000x harder to ever receive a payout as it has a very incestuous relationship with the pharmaceutical industry much like the CDC. What this means obviously is that companies not having liability are more willing to cut corners and be the first to market and are less willing to do more research after the fact to created safer and more effective vaccines and delivery systems.

[htismaqe]

Healthcare stopped being about health a looong time ago.

My wife was recently in the hospital.

doc came by to basically say hi, didn't do anything.

Cost? almost $800.00 for less than three minutes of his "time".

The 3-way relationship between healthcare providers, insurance companies, and the government produces this kind of hyperinflation.

[stevieray]

The 3-way relationship between healthcare providers, insurance companies, and the government produces this kind of hyperinflation.

:banghead:

[BIG_DADDY]

There have been a lot of lies and deception in this thread so I just wanted to address one of those as it relates to mandates. Somebody back in this thread mentioned that the American people had spoken and we all agreed to the science behind everyone being vaccinated. This couldn’t be further from the truth. For those of you who have been here for a while you will recall the debates over mandates. At the time more and more people where opting out, not in. There is still a ton of people doing this post college but I am sure this will be addressed by those in power soon enough. One of the main problems people had at the time was not even having the freedom to determine what gets directly injected into their bloodstream. The second was that an issue so important was never brought directly to the people. The industry used the people’s money and its own to promote this authoritarian state using science every other word on that path. Anyone regardless of background was shut down and made a target by this state much in the same way every expert on this subject was shut down during Covid and we were all forced to listen to Fauci only.
If you say you are for individual rights and freedoms you can’t just say that when it’s something you want. At this point you have your choice of 3 different vaccines for covid. You have your double masks which should make you bullet proof all by itself. You can also stay home or do all 3. IMO you don’t have the right to say what gets injected into everyone else.

[Donger]

IMO you don’t have the right to say what gets injected into everyone else.

I haven't seen anyone say that.

[RealSNR]

:rolleyes:

stick to teaching music, Dr. SNR.

Just callin' it like I see it. Same thing everybody else does.

[stevieray]

Just callin' it like I see it. Same thing everybody else does.

You're operating under speculation and presumption of black ops first hand knowledge.

It would be like me trying tell you about music theory.

[Bearcat]

There have been a lot of lies and deception in this thread

Yeah, there's been a ton of bullshit in this thread lately, almost like some people are here to stir shit instead of having an adult conversation. No idea how such a thing started.



This surprises nobody coming from you.

How in the hell are you still alive fat body? I figured you would have died from diabetes or aids years ago.


**** you and yours. If you are scared stayed home. Every twat on the planet feels the need to control everyone else. Control yourself.

Go blow a horse Dr. Diddy.

If you're scared stay home. If you get the vaccine, you should be bullet proof. Quit trying to dictate what the rest of the world should inject into their bloodstream.

Quit trying to make decisions for everyone else in the world. Quit being a twat. Quit pretending you got laid in Vegas.

1You want mandates because you are a controlling twat. If you are scared stay home. If the vaccine works, why do you care what anyone else does? You supports an authoritarian state, mandates and have control issues. TWAT

4. If your married you must be a swinger if you caught something.


Maybe they should get your vaccine, TWAT.

You have your double masks which should make you bullet proof all by itself.

[WhawhaWhat]

Yeah, there's been a ton of bullshit in this thread lately, almost like some people are here to stir shit instead of having an adult conversation. No idea how such a thing started.

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[DaneMcCloud]

Right. Those are more people that can manipulate the "system" to not get a vaccine.

Your posts in this thread make absolutely no sense.

California is not mandating or requiring anyone to be vaccinated, so there's no reason why anyone, transgender or not, would need an "excuse" to avoid the vaccine.

Like I said it is or should be easier to get out a vaccine there than other states if you have any qualifying reason since there will be more qualifying reasons there than in other states.

It's not "easier" than in other states because there are more than 42 million people in the state. At last check, 40% of Californians have received at least one dose, so it's going to be quite a while before the people that choose to be vaccinated are fully vaccinated, mainly due to supply.

Beginning next week, the vaccine will be available for those under 50 so I'm sure we'll see an increase in vaccinations soon.

[Bearcat]

At this point you have your choice of 3 different vaccines for covid. You have your double masks which should make you bullet proof all by itself. You can also stay home or do all 3. IMO you don’t have the right to say what gets injected into everyone else.

And that's absolutely true... everyone in America has those three options, and given everyone knows by now that most masks are half as effective or worse than the vaccine, that option might eventually be taken away.

It's funny how big you are on "you can't tell me what to do", while directly telling everyone else what to do and thinking those options don't apply to you.

There's most likely no "stay home if you're scared" cause and effect once so many people are vaccinated.

IMO, once everyone who can get vaccinated does (granted, this still excludes people with small children who could be at high risk), everything in theory should be able to open up and be 'normal'.

But, there's also no well, Bearcat says we should try this so let's open up cause and effect, either.

The only thing we really know is 23% of the country is now fully vaccinated, and those are the people who will most likely be guaranteed to go on flights, attend sporting events, live music, etc. They won't be staying home.

Everyone not getting vaccinated are the ones at risk for being required to wear a mask or stay home... not the other way around.

I might die of an autoimmune condition in 10 years, but I'll be at all of the Chiefs' AFCCGs for the next 9.... someone who isn't vaccinated can stay unvaccinated, but might not be able to get into places or other countries or fly until they do (well, and could still die of an autoimmune condition :shrug: ).

It's a pretty straightforward analysis of risk and what you're willing to give up for that risk, and in the end really has nothing to do with freedom, because the freedom to not vaccinate doesn't equal the freedom to do whatever you want after that. It's just something to deal with being part of a society.

[BIG_DADDY]

And that's absolutely true... everyone in America has those three options, and given everyone knows by now that most masks are half as effective or worse than the vaccine, that option might eventually be taken away.

It's funny how big you are on "you can't tell me what to do", while directly telling everyone else what to do and thinking those options don't apply to you.

There's most likely no "stay home if you're scared" cause and effect once so many people are vaccinated.

IMO, once everyone who can get vaccinated does (granted, this still excludes people with small children who could be at high risk), everything in theory should be able to open up and be 'normal'.

But, there's also no well, Bearcat says we should try this so let's open up cause and effect, either.

The only thing we really know is 23% of the country is now fully vaccinated, and those are the people who will most likely be guaranteed to go on flights, attend sporting events, live music, etc. They won't be staying home.

Everyone not getting vaccinated are the ones at risk for being required to wear a mask or stay home... not the other way around.

I might die of an autoimmune condition in 10 years, but I'll be at all of the Chiefs' AFCCGs for the next 9.... someone who isn't vaccinated can stay unvaccinated, but might not be able to get into places or other countries or fly until they do (well, and could still die of an autoimmune condition :shrug: ).

It's a pretty straightforward analysis of risk and what you're willing to give up for that risk, and in the end really has nothing to do with freedom, because the freedom to not vaccinate doesn't equal the freedom to do whatever you want after that. It's just something to deal with being part of a society.

I believe all businesses should have the right to require whatever they want. I don't believe government should be making mandates. Yes, I get hostile when people support an authoritarian state.
I support your decision to do whatever you want, after all, that's what freedom is.
I also support the doctor-patient relationship in deciding what is best for the individual and not the Bill Gates vision of vaccination depots globally run by the WHO with global mandates and digital ID. Call me crazy

[Donger]

I believe all businesses should have the right to require whatever they want. I don't believe government should be making mandates. Yes, I get hostile when people support an authoritarian state.
I support your decision to do whatever you want, after all, that's what freedom is.
I also support the doctor-patient relationship in deciding what is best for the individual and not the Bill Gates vision of vaccination depots globally run by the WHO with global mandates and digital ID. Call me crazy

I got goosebumps. Seriously.

[sedated]

Yes, I get hostile when people support an authoritarian state.

I support your decision to do whatever you want, after all, that's what freedom is.


When did all the freedom chest-pounders forget that every country has laws, established by the government? (even the ole stars and stripes)

No one has a right to do whatever they want. That's why prisons exist.

[Chief Roundup]

Yes, I get hostile when people support an authoritarian state.
I support your decision to do whatever you want, after all, that's what freedom is.


How do you feel about the vaccines that have been being used for 50+ years? You know the ones for Small Pox, Polio and so on, the ones that are required to go to public schools and all that stuff? The stuff I was referring to or talking about in the very beginning of all this back and forth?

[Bearcat]

I believe all businesses should have the right to require whatever they want. I don't believe government should be making mandates. Yes, I get hostile when people support an authoritarian state.
I support your decision to do whatever you want, after all, that's what freedom is.
I also support the doctor-patient relationship in deciding what is best for the individual and not the Bill Gates vision of vaccination depots globally run by the WHO with global mandates and digital ID. Call me crazy

I signed up for the Clear App so I could go to a Coyotes game, thinking I'd just delete my info afterwards.... and the fuckers have no way for you to remove your account or even see the info you've uploaded, much less change or delete it. And I don't even care so much about the fact they have the info nearly as much as now having to trust they'll never have a data breach. Assholes. :cuss:

But anyway, outside of whatever Bill Gates is or isn't doing, I agree with all of that for the most part.... I do think there are 'greater good' sacrifices for a society and it sucks that these days instead of having any understanding whatsoever of any given issue on both sides, many people just resort to feeding their confirmation bias while hurling insults at anyone who doesn't agree.

In any functional society, there's a ton of gray area between "everyone do whatever they want because freedom" and "authoritarian state", but those two extremes is where every argument inevitably lands.


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[htismaqe]

How do you feel about the vaccines that have been being used for 50+ years? You know the ones for Small Pox, Polio and so on, the ones that are required to go to public schools and all that stuff? The stuff I was referring to or talking about in the very beginning of all this back and forth?

I'm not an anti-vaxxer but I've pointed this out before:

The measles vaccine was introduced in 1963. The first handful of states to make it mandatory did so in 1969 and even the, it was only like 12 states.

This takes time. There's no reason the COVID vaccine should be mandatory until they get the logistics issues figured out at the very least.

Some states, like California, can't even vaccinate half of their populace right now just due to those kinds of issues.

[Discuss Thrower]

"We live in a society that you have absolutely no say in."

[J Diddy]

Healthcare stopped being about health a looong time ago.

My wife was recently in the hospital.

doc came by to basically say hi, didn't do anything.

Cost? almost $800.00 for less than three minutes of his "time".


I feel you. I'm in absolute awe of my neurologist requiring me to see him once a year for an $80 copay (that doesn't go towards my OOP max or my deductible) to ensure that I continue taking a seizure med that's worked for 5 years and a migraine med that's worked for 3.



I got the pleasure of it being a tele-health visit this time around. It was the equivalent of two teens saying "sup?"

[jdubya]

Meanwhile in Ca

https://cchealth.org/press-releases/2021/0415-Walk-in-Vaccine-Clinics.php

Contra Costa County, in partnership with the California Office of Emergency services, will begin offering walk-in service to people ages 16 and older who live or work in the county at several pop-up sites in the coming weeks.

[htismaqe]

I feel you. I'm in absolute awe of my neurologist requiring me to see him once a year for an $80 copay (that doesn't go towards my OOP max or my deductible) to ensure that I continue taking a seizure med that's worked for 5 years and a migraine med that's worked for 3.



I got the pleasure of it being a tele-health visit this time around. It was the equivalent of two teens saying "sup?"

And I bet he bills your insurance company the full rate for that teleheatlh appointment.

[BIG_DADDY]

How do you feel about the vaccines that have been being used for 50+ years? You know the ones for Small Pox, Polio and so on, the ones that are required to go to public schools and all that stuff? The stuff I was referring to or talking about in the very beginning of all this back and forth?

And that is the rub, right? If you are following the endless vaccine schedule by the CDC you should be Mr. Bullerproof Man. It shouldn't matter what anyone else thinks or feels, right? But that is not the way it works is it? Don't give me that you are just concerned about people who can't take vaccines BS either as mandates create a much bigger problem for people like that. To find the answer to all the hostility I will quote the most unapologetic global authoritarian in my life. When discussing which vaccine they would take for covid (Pfizer) they turned to me and said "you know it's people like me who take on the personal risk and side effects of vaccines to create global heard immunity while it's people like you who try to ride the backs of people like me" That, THAT, IMO is the real reason why people who are on board with their programming are so angry. Saying that out loud though is hard for some because you have admit you have come to that self-realization. You are accepting that you no longer want to think critically and are not for individual rights and freedoms because if you don't even have the right to even say what the government can or can't inject directly into your blood you really don't have freedom.

All that said there are benefits to being on board with the powers that be and seeing us all as the same unglazed donuts at the end of the assembly line. First of all you feel smarter and better than everyone else because that is being reinforced at every corner. You also feel entitled because being on board should have it's rewards, right? Your conscience can be the nasty side-effect though as it realizes this mentality has no morals and an any means to an end basis. A great example is shutting down every health expert in the world during a global health crisis and forcing Dr. Fraud Fauci down our throats on a 24/7 news cycle.

[Donger]

Dr. Fraud Fauci down our throats on a 24/7 news cycle.

What makes him a fraud?

[Chief Roundup]

And that is the rub, right? If you are following the endless vaccine schedule by the CDC you should be Mr. Bullerproof Man. It shouldn't matter what anyone else thinks or feels, right? But that is not the way it works is it? Don't give me that you are just concerned about people who can't take vaccines BS either as mandates create a much bigger problem for people like that. To find the answer to all the hostility I will quote the most unapologetic global authoritarian in my life. When discussing which vaccine they would take for covid (Pfizer) they turned to me and said "you know it's people like me who take on the personal risk and side effects of vaccines to create global heard immunity while it's people like you who try to ride the backs of people like me" That, THAT, IMO is the real reason why people who are on board with their programming are so angry. Saying that out loud though is hard for some because you have admit you have come to that self-realization. You are accepting that you no longer want to think critically and are not for individual rights and freedoms because if you don't even have the right to even say what the government can or can't inject directly into your blood you really don't have freedom.

All that said there are benefits to being on board with the powers that be and seeing us all as the same unglazed donuts at the end of the assembly line. First of all you feel smarter and better than everyone else because that is being reinforced at every corner. You also feel entitled because being on board should have it's rewards, right? Your conscience can be the nasty side-effect though as it realizes this mentality has no morals and an any means to an end basis. A great example is shutting down every health expert in the world during a global health crisis and forcing Dr. Fraud Fauci down our throats on a 24/7 news cycle.

Nobody is ever "bulletproof" and it is not the CDC that regulates or implements those regulations. That is the Department of Health. It is not a rub to me. I believe in science. So many people act like these vaccines were just conjured up so quickly. Those same people seem to have forgotten that these vaccines were a continuation of the science that was used in creating the Sars vaccines. So the science of these vaccines has been around for quite some time in all actuality and has been tested quite a lot. As a matter of fact, Moderna and Pfizer should be FDA approved in 60 to 90 days. I probably have an advantage over some people. I work at a university that has a huge infectious disease collection and history of the study. We even have ebola that the professors and students play within their studies. The professors broke down the when and hows of the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines along with how they were made. There will not be a herd immunity reached against Covid. Just like there was not with Small Pox, Polio, etc. You may not like Fauci. I understand that. I think the reason is that he was manipulated into saying things at certain times in certain ways to get the masses to do what the government needed the people of this country to do. During times of extreme crisis, you cannot tell the people all of the information or the "truth" because they will overreact causing panic and make things even worse. Look no further than the run on toilet paper. People are angry because they understandably do not trust the government and they are powerless in many ways or at least feel that way.

[jdubya]

What makes him a fraud?

He’s not.

Only when his lips are moving

ROFLMAO

[Donger]

He’s not.

Only when his lips are moving

ROFLMAO

No one ever wants to answer that question for some reason.

[jdubya]

No one ever wants to answer that question for some reason.

And some don’t like peoples answers for some reason and continue to keep asking the question for some reason.

(Remember this isn’t DC dong)

[Donger]

And some don’t like peoples answers for some reason and continue to keep asking the question for some reason.

(Remember this isn’t DC dong)

I'd be pleased to hear your answer wherever you'd like to give it.

[jdubya]

I'd be pleased to hear your answer wherever you'd like to give it.

Been asked and answered ad nauseum and you very well know it. You are just trying to Dongerize another thread. Take it to DC chap

[Donger]

Been asked and answered ad nauseum and you very well know it. You are just trying to Dongerize another thread. Take it to DC chap

Why? It's not political.

[Bearcat]

Fauci's problem is he can't keep his mouth shut, which gives the shit media that many more soundbites to push agendas and the "ermergerd, his opinion changed over time!!!"

Not sure if he's really said anything "wrong"... we didn't know shit about the virus a year ago and they've learned a lot over time.

As always, most of the problem is the media and lack of reading comprehension/shopping for confirmation bias... but, he should also just stick with the facts and then STFU.

[Donger]

Fauci's problem is he can't keep his mouth shut, which gives the shit media that many more soundbites to push agendas and the "ermergerd, his opinion changed over time!!!"

Not sure if he's really said anything "wrong"... we didn't know shit about the virus a year ago and they've learned a lot over time.

As always, most of the problem is the media and lack of reading comprehension/shopping for confirmation bias... but, he should also just stick with the facts and then STFU.

Agreed. And that doesn't make him a fraud.

[jdubya]

Fauci's problem is he can't keep his mouth shut, which gives the shit media that many more soundbites to push agendas and the "ermergerd, his opinion changed over time!!!"

Not sure if he's really said anything "wrong"... we didn't know shit about the virus a year ago and they've learned a lot over time.

As always, most of the problem is the media and lack of reading comprehension/shopping for confirmation bias... but, he should also just stick with the facts and then STFU.

Fraudci is like a crack whore but addicted to those morning daily talk shows and can’t shut up.

[Chief Roundup]

they've learned a lot over time.


So if people change their minds over time after learning new information they are a fraud?
Damn, I guess every scout in the NFL is a fraud then.

[Bearcat]

Fraudci is like a crack whore but addicted to those morning daily talk shows and can’t shut up.

That alone doesn't make him a fraud though. People ask him questions 20 different ways and he gives slightly different answers until someone in the media screams "ermergerd, this isn't what he said before!!!"

It's exactly why interviews with athletes and coaches are absolutely pointless 99% of the time... but, now idiots have taken it to another level so if you don't say anything, it's a conspiracy and they'll just make up their own shit, but whatever you do say will be turned into a clickbait article for agenda-pushing.

[Chris Meck]

just get the fucking shot you freaks. I'd like to get back to having a life.

[DaneMcCloud]

And I bet he bills your insurance company the full rate for that teleheatlh appointment.

TeleHealth video calls are covered in our insurance plan and I'm super grateful for it because it's just SO much easier than spending half my day in traffic.

[BigRedChief]

The mRNA technology is a testament of mankind's creativity and ingenuity.

the vaccine wasn't "rushed." The technology isn't "untested." And it's absolutely ridiculous to think that in something as delicate and precise as developing an mRNA vaccine with an efficacy in the 90s that they "cut corners" on purpose.mRNA was used for SARS. It was a huge leap forward in protecting our species from a virus extinction. It should be celebrated. About 2.7% of the worlds population died in the 2018 epidemic.

Covid is way way more transmittable that that 2018 virus. But, just take the 2.7% number. That would have been 213 million dead from Covid in our time.

200 Million of the mRNA vaccines have went into American arms. No issues beyond some transient 24/48 hours of mild fatigue/chills. This is a triumph of science.

[Donger]

mRNA was used for SARS. It was a huge leap forward in protecting our species from a virus extinction. It should be celebrated. About 2.7% of the worlds population died in the 2018 epidemic.


I don't think that mRNA vaccines were used during SARS.

What 2018 epidemic?

[suzzer99]

I'm going to guess you mean 1918 here.

[J Diddy]

I don't think that mRNA vaccines were used during SARS.

What 2018 epidemic?


I don't know that it was used for SARS, but it was developed for use against SARS.

[Donger]

I don't know that it was used for SARS, but it was developed for use against SARS.

mRNA vaccine research and development began in the 1990s, but the first use in humans first took place last year.

[BigRedChief]

I don't think that mRNA vaccines were used during SARS.

What 2018 epidemic?Developed in that era to combat SARS, sorry. Obviously I meant 1918

[Monticore]

mRNA vaccine research and development began in the 1990s, but the first use in humans first took place last year.

It is pretty crazy what they can do now like using HIV to cure cancer, mRNA I think has been used before for cancer but first time for a vaccine I think.

[BigRedChief]

just get the ****ing shot you freaks. I'd like to get back to having a life.Starting tomorrow 90% of all Americans will be within 5 miles of a vaccine. That’s going to cover a lot of rural areas.