NFL requiring Covid Vaccination to a certain degree

[Chief Roundup]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The NFL informed clubs today any team employee who refuses a COVID-19 vaccination without “bona fide medical or religious ground” will be barred from Tier 1 or Tier 2 status, and thus have restricted access within the team facility and not work directly with players, per sources.</p>&mdash; Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) <a href="https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1382027411773038596?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here’s the full NFL memo, which also says teams must report weekly the number of employees who are vaccinated, as conversations with the NFLPA continue on the thresholds at which protocols on testing, PPE, travel, etc., can be relaxed. <a href="https://t.co/FXuIhFP6Vh">pic.twitter.com/FXuIhFP6Vh</a></p>&mdash; Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) <a href="https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1382028227665821696?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[smithandrew051]

How would the NFL define “bona fide religious ground”? Sounds like a pretty easy loophole to me.

[redfan]

Who determines what’s bona fide?

[kstater]

Man, the private business can do what they want crowd is gonna be in a pickle here.

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[Chief Roundup]

Who determines what’s bona fide?

Well, the medical part would be easy to confirm. The religious part will be tougher. I am sure though that the NFL has already done the research to find out which religions would qualify for the opt-out and then you would have to be able to confirm that that particular religion has been yours for a long period of time and that you are an avid follower.
This is really just a way to apply pressure to everyone to get the vaccine. That way they can protect the financial aspect that the game provides.

[ILChief]

Good

[BigRedChief]

Who determines what’s bona fide?

Who gives a shit? Keep all those unvaccinated employees
away from the team. You want to work alongside Mahomes? Get the damn shot.

[Hoover]

Goodell fucking with Josh Allen

[AdolfOliverBush]

Who gives a shit? Keep all those unvaccinated employees
away from the team. You want to work alongside Mahomes? Get the damn shot.

This. Protect the players, fuck your religion to death.

[Hydrae]

Goodell ****ing with Josh Allen

Nah, this does not include players and coaches. This is the lower level employees like equipment mangers.

[penguinz]

Goodell ****ing with Josh Allen

You have reading comprehension issues. This is referring to team and administrative staff. Nothing to do with player vaccinations.

[Donger]

I thought the NFL said that vaccines wouldn't be required for staff last month.

[penguinz]

I thought the NFL said that vaccines wouldn't be required for staff last month.

Maybe Roger has been replaced by Fauci?

[Donger]

They did:

https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/03/25/nfl-will-not-require-players-coaches-covid-19-vaccine

As the COVID-19 vaccine rollout continues across the country, the NFL will not require its players, coaches and team staff to get vaccinated, the league's chief medical officer, Dr. Allen Sills, told Judy Battista of the NFL Network on Thursday.

"The NFL and the NFL Players' Association have no intention of making the COVID-19 vaccine mandatory for players, coaches or staff," Sills said. "What we are focusing on is education. We want everyone to have the facts, and we believe that this is an important step forward."

[KCUnited]

I bet Goodell reads CP and one of the other Covid threads compelled him enough to change his mind

[Rain Man]

I support whatever protects Mahomes.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

I support whatever protects Mahomes.

Cross thread humor is the best . . . . . .

[tyecopeland]

Man, the private business can do what they want crowd is gonna be in a pickle here.

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How so?

[wazu]

Buffalo Bills requiring fans to be vaccinated:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING NEWS: Poloncarz announces full return to <a href="https://twitter.com/BuffaloBills?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BuffaloBills</a> stadium for in-person attendance at Bills games but ONLY if you have been FULLY VACCINATED. No Vaccine = No Entry.</p>&mdash; Sandra Tan (@SandraTanBN) <a href="https://twitter.com/SandraTanBN/status/1382037809909862406?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 13, 2021</a></blockquote>
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[TLO]

I'M OUTRAGED I THINK

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Goodell ****ing with Josh Allen

You do realize players don’t have to get vaccinated right??

[tyecopeland]

Nah, this does not include players and coaches. This is the lower level employees like equipment mangers.

Tier 1 employees definitely include coaches.


Tier 1 will consist of players, coaches, trainers, physicians and necessary personnel who must have direct access to the players.

• Tier 2 will consist of general managers, football operations employees, other assistant coaches, video personnel, security and other essential personnel who may need to be in close proximity to the players and other Tier 1 individuals who may need to access restricted areas. Only individuals assigned to Tiers 1 and 2 will be permitted access to restricted areas, and there will be limits on the number of individuals from each team that can be assigned Tier 1 and Tier 2 access at any given time.

[jjjayb]

Good

Fuck you.

[big nasty kcnut]

I want that vaccine protecting qb 15 from pass rushers and the kung flu.

[Hydrae]

Tier 1 employees definitely include coaches.

Interesting. I was going from this:

In a Tuesday memo obtained by NFL Network's Tom Pelissero, the league informed clubs their Tier 1 and 2 employees (excluding players)...

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-team-employees-refuse-vaccination-bona-fide-barred-tier-1-2

[Spott]

Buffalo Bills requiring fans to be vaccinated:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING NEWS: Poloncarz announces full return to <a href="https://twitter.com/BuffaloBills?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BuffaloBills</a> stadium for in-person attendance at Bills games but ONLY if you have been FULLY VACCINATED. No Vaccine = No Entry.</p>&mdash; Sandra Tan (@SandraTanBN) <a href="https://twitter.com/SandraTanBN/status/1382037809909862406?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 13, 2021</a></blockquote>
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To be fair, getting scheduled to get a vaccine has been a pain in the butt in some areas. I had to drive 90 miles one way to get the first Pfizer shot and have to do the same thing next week for the second one. I don’t know if it’s gotten any easier to schedule one in the past couple of weeks, but there are probably people that have decided to wait until it’s easier to get an appointment.

[Rainbarrel]

Buffalo Bills requiring fans to be vaccinated:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING NEWS: Poloncarz announces full return to <a href="https://twitter.com/BuffaloBills?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BuffaloBills</a> stadium for in-person attendance at Bills games but ONLY if you have been FULLY VACCINATED. No Vaccine = No Entry.</p>&mdash; Sandra Tan (@SandraTanBN) <a href="https://twitter.com/SandraTanBN/status/1382037809909862406?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 13, 2021</a></blockquote>
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Buffalo under feet of snow with salmonella wings and buttfingers? Makes sense.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

The Bucs and Seahawks will not participate in voluntary off season workouts as they want it to be done virtually again

[loochy]

Buffalo Bills requiring fans to be vaccinated:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING NEWS: Poloncarz announces full return to <a href="https://twitter.com/BuffaloBills?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BuffaloBills</a> stadium for in-person attendance at Bills games but ONLY if you have been FULLY VACCINATED. No Vaccine = No Entry.</p>&mdash; Sandra Tan (@SandraTanBN) <a href="https://twitter.com/SandraTanBN/status/1382037809909862406?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 13, 2021</a></blockquote>
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They could just whip up a fake cdc vaccination card. Those things are hardly official.

[tyecopeland]

The Bucs and Seahawks will not participate in voluntary off season workouts as they want it to be done virtually again

It is the broncos and seahawks.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

It is the broncos and seahawks.

Bucs just announced it too along with Donks and Seahawks

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Players from the Super Bowl champs also say they’re boycotting the voluntary offseason program. <a href="https://t.co/9eDPvGX0iF">https://t.co/9eDPvGX0iF</a></p>&mdash; Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) <a href="https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1382114734984503298?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[loochy]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Players from the Super Bowl champs also say they’re boycotting the voluntary offseason program. <a href="https://t.co/9eDPvGX0iF">https://t.co/9eDPvGX0iF</a></p>&mdash; Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) <a href="https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1382114734984503298?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Ok....it's voluntary so I wouldn't really call it a boycott

[Coach]

Some of these dudes aren't..... exactly bright.

So you're boycotting on something that is just "voluntary"?

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[Jewish Rabbi]

Interested in Carlos Carson’s thoughts on the matter.

[HemiEd]

Good

Exactly!

[Chief Roundup]

I thought the NFL said that vaccines wouldn't be required for staff last month.

I wouldn't be surprised if there were more changes or if these changes get rolled back. It seems like a possible lawsuit for something like discrimination. People may not like it but the Covid vaccine is going to be required to do more and more things.
I interviewed for a supervisory position at a hospital today. Part of that interview was an acknowledgment of things that are required. The flu vaccine, Pneumonia vaccine, and the Covid vaccine were all on the list with several other things.

[BWillie]

This is great!

[Spott]

They could just whip up a fake cdc vaccination card. Those things are hardly official.

Good point. If someone wants to go somewhere that requires you to get a vaccine, those cards they give you could easily be duplicated.

[Halfcan]

Forced vaccinations!!!

Sad to see this country turning Communist.

[ThyKingdomCome15]

That's BS.

[|Zach|]

Forced vaccinations!!!

Sad to see this country turning Communist.

You are such a dummy.

[tyecopeland]

Forced vaccinations!!!

Sad to see this country turning Communist.

No one is forcing anyone to do anything. They just wouldn't be able to have player contact. Makes coaching harder but not impossible. Nobody's job is dependent on getting a vaccine. Although it is a powerful incentive, it is not a forced requirement.

[Discuss Thrower]

They could just whip up a fake cdc vaccination card. Those things are hardly official.

I know a guy who's selling those for $250 a card. Complete with batch number stickers with barcodes.

[kstater]

No one is forcing anyone to do anything. They just wouldn't be able to have player contact. Makes coaching harder but not impossible. Nobody's job is dependent on getting a vaccine. Although it is a powerful incentive, it is not a forced requirement.


It’s also not the government doing it, but that’s a minor detail when saying dumb things like this country is going communist.

[Chief Roundup]

Forced vaccinations!!!

Sad to see this country turning Communist.

Since it is not the government your point is off-target. Although we might see that coming soon as well.

No one is forcing anyone to do anything. They just wouldn't be able to have player contact. Makes coaching harder but not impossible. Nobody's job is dependent on getting a vaccine. Although it is a powerful incentive, it is not a forced requirement.

Are you seriously this naive?
Teams will just replace those employees that will not take the vaccine due to the fact of them not being able to do their jobs effectively or adequately. Everyone that works in an NFL organization has now been leveraged to take the shot or lose your career.

[Chief Roundup]

I know a guy who's selling those for $250 a card. Complete with batch number stickers with barcodes.

This person should be turned in to authorities and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. You are complicit in this fraudulent activity and should also be held accountable.

[BIG_DADDY]

This is great!

This surprises nobody coming from you.

[BIG_DADDY]

You are such a dummy.

How in the hell are you still alive fat body? I figured you would have died from diabetes or aids years ago.

[Halfcan]

Since it is not the government your point is off-target. Although we might see that coming soon as well.



Are you seriously this naive?
Teams will just replace those employees that will not take the vaccine due to the fact of them not being able to do their jobs effectively or adequately. Everyone that works in an NFL organization has now been leveraged to take the shot or lose your career.

I did not mention the Government-it is the sheep of this country that are letting corporations like MLB and the NFL dictate and control their private health choices.

Forcing an employee to take an experimental vaccine that is proving to have serious short-term side effects and not having any idea what the long-term problems could be is a few steps down from what China is doing to their citizens.

Want to go to the Chiefs Home Opener? Better get your Vax papers in order comrade.

[Bearcat]

I did not mention the Government-it is the sheep of this country that are letting corporations like MLB and the NFL dictate and control their private health choices.

Forcing an employee to take an experimental vaccine that is proving to have serious short-term side effects and not having any idea what the long-term problems could be is a few steps down from what China is doing to their citizens.

Want to go to the Chiefs Home Opener? Better get your Vax papers in order comrade.

:facepalm:

People can be concerned all they want about a vaccine and no one is going to ever change their mind, but based on the current odds of 6 in 7,000,000, "proving to have serious short-term side effects" is the equivalent to saying that going outside has serious side effects because you might get hit by lightning twice on your way to get the vaccine.

Or in other words, you should be in the ballpark of 200 times more afraid of dying from the flu.

[BIG_DADDY]

:facepalm:

People can be concerned all they want about a vaccine and no one is going to ever change their mind, but based on the current odds of 6 in 7,000,000, "proving to have serious short-term side effects" is the equivalent to saying that going outside has serious side effects because you might get hit by lightning twice on your way to get the vaccine.

Or in other words, you should be in the ballpark of 200 times more afraid of dying from the flu.

Oh look what the cat drug in Mr. Ban You for using the term fear porn.

[Discuss Thrower]

This person should be turned in to authorities and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. You are complicit in this fraudulent activity and should also be held accountable.

Kill yourself

[Halfcan]

:facepalm:

People can be concerned all they want about a vaccine and no one is going to ever change their mind, but based on the current odds of 6 in 7,000,000, "proving to have serious short-term side effects" is the equivalent to saying that going outside has serious side effects because you might get hit by lightning twice on your way to get the vaccine.

Or in other words, you should be in the ballpark of 200 times more afraid of dying from the flu.

Do you consider the chance of dying an adverse reaction?

https://www.newsweek.com/covid-vaccine-deaths-cause-pfizer-moderna-fact-check-966-died-1574447

What about Long-term side effects? I guess we are not supposed to worry about that.

[htismaqe]

Another day, another shitty COVID thread...

[Titty Meat]

The same people shitting on a virus that has killed 560k people and counting are worried about 6 people who've had a serious side effect from a shot millions have taken. You cant make this shit up.

[|Zach|]

How in the hell are you still alive fat body? I figured you would have died from diabetes or aids years ago.

We will just add this to the list of stupid shit you are dead wrong about I guess.

[Halfcan]

The same people shitting on a virus that has killed 560k people and counting are worried about 6 people who've had a serious side effect from a shot millions have taken. You cant make this shit up.

And yet you just did.

Sorry if you can't see the difference between having a Choice to take a vaccine not approved by the FDA and being Forced to by your employer.

[Bearcat]

Do you consider the chance of dying an adverse reaction?

https://www.newsweek.com/covid-vaccine-deaths-cause-pfizer-moderna-fact-check-966-died-1574447

What about Long-term side effects? I guess we are not supposed to worry about that.

So, now we're up to ~900 out of 90,000,000? Have you done the odds on that?

I'm not one to tell other people what to be worried about... people can do the math or just let their side of the media make the choice for them or shop for confirmation on youtube.

Other idiots who are terrible at math are why I've had to wear a mask outside for spring training games while 10+ feet from anyone else.... but even then, I'd probably still have a higher chance of catching Covid and dying than dying from a vaccine.

[|Zach|]

So, now we're up to ~900 out of 90,000,000? Have you done the odds on that?

I'm not one to tell other people what to be worried about... people can do the math or just let their side of the media make the choice for them or shop for confirmation on youtube.

Other idiots who are terrible at math are why I've had to wear a mask outside for spring training games while 10+ feet from anyone else.... but even then, I'd probably still have a higher chance of catching Covid and dying than dying from a vaccine.

Good for you thinking he is smart enough to understand numbers.

[Titty Meat]

And yet you just did.

Sorry if you can't see the difference between having a Choice to take a vaccine not approved by the FDA and being Forced to by your employer.

Someone doesnt know what they are talking about:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56226979

[Chief Roundup]

I did not mention the Government-it is the sheep of this country that are letting corporations like MLB and the NFL dictate and control their private health choices.



Forcing an employee to take an experimental vaccine that is proving to have serious short-term side effects and not having any idea what the long-term problems could be is a few steps down from what China is doing to their citizens.



Want to go to the Chiefs Home Opener? Better get your Vax papers in order comrade.Those issues are less than 1 in a million. The average of having a clot is 3/10 without the vaccine. But you go ahead and keep ignoring the reality to keep yourself and others twisted.

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[Chief Roundup]

Kill yourselfYou first

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[loochy]

This person should be turned in to authorities and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. You are complicit in this fraudulent activity and should also be held accountable.

Haha....look at rules boy over here

[DTHOF]

I have a question that maybe someone with medical background could answer.

So if someone has been exposed to covid or had it and their body has fought it off what is the point of the vaccine. From my understanding vaccines have been for when people have not had the ability to fight it off or the virus acts so quickly it kills them before the body can fight it off. i.e Mumps, polio, etc...

Or is there another reason to get it?

[Saulbadguy]

I have a question that maybe someone with medical background could answer.

So if someone has been exposed to covid or had it and their body has fought it off what is the point of the vaccine. From my understanding vaccines have been for when people have not had the ability to fight it off or the virus acts so quickly it kills them before the body can fight it off. i.e Mumps, polio, etc...

Or is there another reason to get it?

If you had covid, and had symptoms - your body essentially failed to "fight it off"

[Rainbarrel]

Immunest free to walk the streets of America. WTF

[Dunerdr]

I personally got the phizer, just for my grandfathers piece of mind. But i dont believe an employer should be able to mandate you get one. If most of the population has it why can you be allowed to risk your own life?

[Monticore]

I have a question that maybe someone with medical background could answer.

So if someone has been exposed to covid or had it and their body has fought it off what is the point of the vaccine. From my understanding vaccines have been for when people have not had the ability to fight it off or the virus acts so quickly it kills them before the body can fight it off. i.e Mumps, polio, etc...

Or is there another reason to get it?

The vaccine is to save people from contracting a specific disease in some cases you are offered some protection from that disease if you have had it in the past ,some of this protection can be lifelong some more short term and some failing somewhere in between, we are not sure where COVID will fall when it comes to protection from natural infection at this point we think maybe years but some people have gotten it more than once already so until they figure it out they are recommending the vaccine which they think is offering a better immune response than natural infection .

Forgot to mention that with the variants around getting natural infection to one of them might not cover you for all of them, vaccine can be engineered to maybe cover a wider spectrum of variants.

[Monticore]

If you had covid, and had symptoms - your body essentially failed to "fight it off"

Not sure this is correct symptoms just mean your body is fighting it off and doing it's job so I would not consider symptoms as a failure in your immune system if you die then yes I would consider that a failure but I also don't consider that a symptom.

[Spott]

Not sure this is correct symptoms just mean your body is fighting it off and doing it's job so I would not consider symptoms as a failure in your immune system if you die then yes I would consider that a failure but I also don't consider that a symptom.

I would consider death or having to have medical intervention a failure. Getting a mild symptom and fighting it off seems to be the natural response of a healthy individual.

[Monticore]

I would consider death or having to have medical intervention a failure. Getting a mild symptom and fighting it off seems to be the natural response of a healthy individual.

pretty much, fever is good at killing viruses and bacteria, coughing is good at expelling things from your lungs I am sure diarrhea is good somehow but still trying to avoid that one more than most . Getting a fever /chills from vaccines also mean your body is doing what it is supposed to do to help protect you .

[BigRedChief]

The vaccine is to save people from contracting a specific disease in some cases you are offered some protection from that disease if you have had it in the past ,some of this protection can be lifelong some more short term and some failing somewhere in between, we are not sure where COVID will fall when it comes to protection from natural infection at this point we think maybe years but some people have gotten it more than once already so until they figure it out they are recommending the vaccine which they think is offering a better immune response than natural infection .
People on the Planet that post here regurally have got Covid twice. This blanket "you had covid so you are good" is not 100% correct. And science just doesn't know how long the immunity, if there, lasts.

pretty much, fever is good at killing viruses and bacteria, coughing is good at expelling things from your lungs I am sure diarrhea is good somehow but still trying to avoid that one more than most . Getting a fever /chills from vaccines also mean your body is doing what it is supposed to do to help protect you .Main complaint is fatigue. Because your body is hard at work protecting you. Usually only last 24-48 hours.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

If you had covid, and had symptoms - your body essentially failed to "fight it off"

well, you did fight it off or you would still have symptoms or have died...

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

People on the Planet that post here regurally have got Covid twice. This blanket "you had covid so you are good" is not 100% correct. And science just doesn't know how long the immunity, if there, lasts.

Main complaint is fatigue. Because your body is hard at work protecting you. Usually only last 24-48 hours.

Yes, but I believe the current recommendation is to wait 6 months or so after having Covid to get the shot, as complications seem to be higher in this specific populace.

[tyecopeland]

People on the Planet that post here regurally have got Covid twice. This blanket "you had covid so you are good" is not 100% correct. And science just doesn't know how long the immunity, if there, lasts.

Main complaint is fatigue. Because your body is hard at work protecting you. Usually only last 24-48 hours.

Thats true of the vaccine too.

[AdolfOliverBush]

Thats true of the vaccine too.

It's true that it is uncertain how long immunity from vaccines will last, but it has been proven that the immunity from the Pfizer/Moderna shots last at least 6 months, and counting.

[Dunerdr]

Imagine the ramifications if the vaccine has long term issues and people can say that their employer forced their hand.

[AdolfOliverBush]

Imagine the ramifications if the vaccine has long term issues and people can say that their employer forced their hand.

They wouldn't have a case, because they weren't forced.

[TwistedChief]

Imagine the ramifications if the vaccine has long term issues and people can say that their employer forced their hand.

What ramifications? People can choose to get a vaccine if they want to stay employed or not. No one's hand is forced. Companies have every legal right to 'discriminate' based on vaccine status.

That's the law.

[stevieray]

"and he CAUSETH all, small and great, rich and poor, free and bondservant to recieve a _______________

[Fish]

"and he CAUSETH all, small and great, rich and poor, free and bondservant to recieve a _______________

Free taco from Taco Bell.

[htismaqe]

What ramifications? People can choose to get a vaccine if they want to stay employed or not. No one's hand is forced. Companies have every legal right to 'discriminate' based on vaccine status.

That's the law.

Not saying this necessarily changes anything but while it certainly would be legal for a corporation to require vaccines as a condition of employment, the NFL is not a "normal" corporation. They have a federal antitrust exemption. Again, I don't know that it changes anything but it might. The "companies can do whatever they want" rule doesn't always apply to publicly-protected monopolies.

[DaneMcCloud]

I've had my vaccinations and it was absolutely no big deal. I had some pain at the injection site but that only lasted less than 24 hours.

No sickness, no fatigue, nothing.

I realize that everyone's body is different but I don't know of anyone who's had the vaccine that had any serious side effects.

[htismaqe]

I've had my vaccinations and it was absolutely no big deal. I had some pain at the injection site but that only lasted less than 24 hours.

No sickness, no fatigue, nothing.

I realize that everyone's body is different but I don't know of anyone who's had the vaccine that had any serious side effects.

I know of 2. Both women, both in their late 60's. I know of at least one woman in her 90's that had no side effects at all from the same shot, though. And none of the me I know have had any real side effects other than some arm soreness.

[JakeF]

Free world.

If you don't want to get vaccinated, they don't. But businesses don't have to employ you either. Airlines don't have to let you fly on their planes or let you into their restaurants or football stadiums either.

Go join up with the rest of your anti-vaxxer buddies and live in the hills inbreeding until your kids have 3 arms.

[DaneMcCloud]

I know of 2. Both women, both in their late 60's. I know of at least one woman in her 90's that had no side effects at all from the same shot, though. And none of the me I know have had any real side effects other than some arm soreness.

My parents had their vaccinations back in early February. Both are in their mid-to-late 70's and didn't have any issues. All of my brothers and sister received the shots in February and March. I'm the oldest yet the last to receive the vaccine (thanks, California!).

My vaccination site didn't become sore until a couple of hours after receiving it and unlike some people, I didn't need to take Tylenol or Advil. My wife said her site hurt for about 4 days, then went away, although her second shot didn't cause any pain at all.

All I know is that I'll take this vaccine over the Small Pox vaccine we all received as kids. I can still clearly remember waiting in line at school to receive the shot and the drill like apparatus that was used for injection but I don't recall any pain or side effects, although the scar is still clearly visible today.

[Mennonite]

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¡Yo quiero Satán!

[Rainbarrel]

Free world.

If you don't want to get vaccinated, they don't. But businesses don't have to employ you either. Airlines don't have to let you fly on their planes or let you into their restaurants or football stadiums either.

Go join up with the rest of your anti-vaxxer buddies and live in the hills inbreeding until your kids have 3 arms.

The three penis boy was born before his time.

[htismaqe]

My parents had their vaccinations back in early February. Both are in their mid-to-late 70's and didn't have any issues. All of my brothers and sister received the shots in February and March. I'm the oldest yet the last to receive the vaccine (thanks, California!).

My vaccination site didn't become sore until a couple of hours after receiving it and unlike some people, I didn't need to take Tylenol or Advil. My wife said her site hurt for about 4 days, then went away, although her second shot didn't cause any pain at all.

All I know is that I'll take this vaccine over the Small Pox vaccine we all received as kids. I can still clearly remember waiting in line at school to receive the shot and the drill like apparatus that was used for injection but I don't recall any pain or side effects, although the scar is still clearly visible today.

Yeah, both my mother and mother-in-law had flu like symptoms after the 2nd shot (only the 2nd shot) - fever, chills, sweats, nausea, etc. My father had nothing and both of my elderly grandparents had no real side effects with either dose.

I'm just now able to get mine here but there's still a lot of people in front of me - people my age with complicating conditions are still having trouble getting scheduled. My buddy has diabetes and HBP and he's gotten rescheduled 3 times already. My parents got rescheduled twice before they finally got in and they are in their late 60's / early 70's.

[Coach]

Yeah, both my mother and mother-in-law had flu like symptoms after the 2nd shot (only the 2nd shot) - fever, chills, sweats, nausea, etc. My father had nothing and both of my elderly grandparents had no real side effects with either dose.

I'm just now able to get mine here but there's still a lot of people in front of me - people my age with complicating conditions are still having trouble getting scheduled. My buddy has diabetes and HBP and he's gotten rescheduled 3 times already. My parents got rescheduled twice before they finally got in and they are in their late 60's / early 70's.

Sorry for the hi-jack, but I recalled that you live in a state that the link below might help you or them (if I am not mistaken). Have you tried Hy-Vee?

https://www.hy-vee.com/my-pharmacy/covid-vaccine

[Halfcan]

Free world.

If you don't want to get vaccinated, they don't. But businesses don't have to employ you either. Airlines don't have to let you fly on their planes or let you into their restaurants or football stadiums either.

Go join up with the rest of your anti-vaxxer buddies and live in the hills inbreeding until your kids have 3 arms.


This is what I don't understand- why do you think you have some moral high ground for getting the vaccine?

CDC says you still have to mask up and should not travel. You can still get it and spread it.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/can-you-spread-covid-after-receiving-vaccine/2478894/

"After you’ve been fully vaccinated against COVID-19, you should keep taking precautions – like wearing a mask, staying 6 feet apart from others, and avoiding crowds and poorly ventilated spaces – in public places until we know more," the CDC states.

Data has shown that you can still get coronavirus even after you're fully vaccinated, which means if you do get an infection, you could still spread it.

[TwistedChief]

This is what I don't understand- why do you think you have some moral high ground for getting the vaccine?

CDC says you still have to mask up and should not travel. You can still get it and spread it.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/can-you-spread-covid-after-receiving-vaccine/2478894/

"After you’ve been fully vaccinated against COVID-19, you should keep taking precautions – like wearing a mask, staying 6 feet apart from others, and avoiding crowds and poorly ventilated spaces – in public places until we know more," the CDC states.

Data has shown that you can still get coronavirus even after you're fully vaccinated, which means if you do get an infection, you could still spread it.

Did you ignore my post in the Josh Allen thread where I explained to you precisely why people who get the vaccine have a stake in whether you get the vaccine?

It was pretty straightforward. There's a yellow border around it.

[Titty Meat]

Did you ignore my post in the Josh Allen thread where I explained to you precisely why people who get the vaccine have a stake in whether you get the vaccine?

It was pretty straightforward. There's a yellow border around it.

That dude just makes up whatever the fuck he wants.

[Bearcat]

This is what I don't understand- why do you think you have some moral high ground for getting the vaccine?

CDC says you still have to mask up and should not travel. You can still get it and spread it.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/can-you-spread-covid-after-receiving-vaccine/2478894/

"After you’ve been fully vaccinated against COVID-19, you should keep taking precautions – like wearing a mask, staying 6 feet apart from others, and avoiding crowds and poorly ventilated spaces – in public places until we know more," the CDC states.

Data has shown that you can still get coronavirus even after you're fully vaccinated, which means if you do get an infection, you could still spread it.

Again, math.

Why would you take this information from the article as a black and white "[nothing has changed], you can catch it and spread it"?

In Chicago, the city has reported close to 100 "breakthrough" cases, which are confirmed coronavirus cases in fully vaccinated residents. By comparison, state data shows 396,022 residents have been fully vaccinated.

According to IDPH data from early March, of the more than 1.6 million people who are fully vaccinated, 217 reported a positive test more than two weeks after their last vaccine dose.

Chicago's had 266k cases of Covid and its population is 2.7 million.... pretty easy math, that's about 10% of the population of Chicago that's had confirmed cases.

And 100 divided by 396,022 who are fully vaccinated is 0.03%, or one in every 3960.

The second number is one in every 7000.

The numbers are right there in the article.

[DaneMcCloud]

This is what I don't understand- why do you think you have some moral high ground for getting the vaccine?

Society has rules.

If you decide not to follow societal rules, don't bitch and complain when you're not allowed to participate in everything that society has to offer.

[Halfcan]

Did you ignore my post in the Josh Allen thread where I explained to you precisely why people who get the vaccine have a stake in whether you get the vaccine?

It was pretty straightforward. There's a yellow border around it.

Yes, I ignored it. You feel personal liberty for others to make their own health choices do not matter if it makes You feel more secure.

And that gives people the right to act like assholes over it and try to force their choices onto others.

Next up, forced vaccinations for kids, firing people from their jobs, containment centers for those who don't or can't comply with the latest nonsensical rules--where does it end?

BTW- does having wide-open borders with unvaccinated hordes coming in at will- affect "your stake" in all of this?

[Halfcan]

That dude just makes up whatever the **** he wants.

Posting a link to an article is making shit up? ROFL

[DaneMcCloud]

Next up, forced vaccinations for kids, firing people from their jobs, containment centers for those who don't or can't comply with the latest nonsensical rules--where does it end?


Everyone posting on Chiefsplanet was vaccinated for measles, mumps, rubella and smallpox before they were allowed to attend elementary school.

Vaccinations protect societies from life altering and/or deadly diseases which can wipe out a significant portion of the population.

Vaccinations are the exact opposite of "nonsensical".

[Halfcan]

Society has rules.

If you decide not to follow societal rules, don't bitch and complain when you're not allowed to participate in everything that society has to offer.

Do those "rules" apply to the homeless army camped out up and down California's beaches? What about the masses of people with zero identification or vaccinations pouring into your state? You can't protect the sheep if you don't keep out the wolves.

BTW- I have very specific health reasons not to get the vaccination. So others on here wishing death, job loss, forced compliance can go fuck themselves. These were some of the same morons that said they would never get the "Trump" vaccine because it was rushed and unsafe. Now since their overlords have flip-flopped- they think it is okay to persecute people on social media. Pathetic.

[Halfcan]

Everyone posting on Chiefsplanet was vaccinated for measles, mumps, rubella and smallpox before they were allowed to attend elementary school.

Vaccinations protect societies from life altering and/or deadly diseases which can wipe out a significant portion of the population.

Vaccinations are the exact opposite of "nonsensical".

I never said I was against vaccines. Those you listed were also not rushed and sent out without FDA approval. Personally, I think it would be irresponsible to give your kids This vaccine since the long-term health effects are not known and even the short-term problems have cause one major vaccine to be "paused" for further study. But that is Personal Choice- something Every person should be allowed to make in a Free Country.

[TwistedChief]

Yes, I ignored it. You feel personal liberty for others to make their own health choices do not matter if it makes You feel more secure.

And that gives people the right to act like assholes over it and try to force their choices onto others.

Next up, forced vaccinations for kids, firing people from their jobs, containment centers for those who don't or can't comply with the latest nonsensical rules--where does it end?

BTW- does having wide-open borders with unvaccinated hordes coming in at will- affect "your stake" in all of this?

Hahaha... You are such a complete moron. It has nothing to do with any of this. It has to do with basic math, science, and reason.

This is exactly the problem with someone like you. You ask these questions and then admit to ignoring the basic answer. You don't engage. You stick to your lame talking points. There's not an element of outside-the-box or critical thinking.

You literally just asked why people get the vaccine if it's possible that they could still get covid. That's directly akin to asking why people wear seatbelts despite the fact that some people who wear seatbelts still die in car accidents. Do you wear a seatbelt?

You're an absolute pathetic embarrassment. I think it's entirely reasonable for one to be skeptical and wary of the vaccine. I get that. I don't try to force that on anyone. But to ask basic questions and then ignore basic answers and revert back to this nonsense. You are the problem.

[Halfcan]

Hahaha... You are such a complete moron. It has nothing to do with any of this. It has to do with basic math, science, and reason.

This is exactly the problem with someone like you. You ask these questions and then admit to ignoring the basic answer. You don't engage. You stick to your lame talking points. There's not an element of outside-the-box or critical thinking.

You literally just asked why people get the vaccine if it's possible that they could still get covid. That's directly akin to asking why people wear seatbelts despite the fact that some people who wear seatbelts still die in car accidents. Do you wear a seatbelt?

You're an absolute pathetic embarrassment. I think it's entirely reasonable for one to be skeptical and wary of the vaccine. I get that. I don't try to force that on anyone. But to ask basic questions and then ignore basic answers and revert back to this nonsense. You are the problem.

Here we go with the name calling. You are just the exact type of entitled D Bag that thinks they have the right to dictate people's Personal Health choices.

Basic answer was YOUR opinion which means nothing to me.

[TwistedChief]

Here we go with the name calling. You are just the exact type of entitled D Bag that thinks they have the right to dictate people's Personal Health choices.

Basic answer was YOUR opinion which means nothing to me.

Ignore science and be proud of it and blame some internet message name-calling. I'm so sorry if I hurt your precious feelings with rational thought.

To repeat: I understand why people are hesitant about getting the vaccine. I only pointed out why there was more to it than your third-grade understanding of the situation.

Stay blind, ponyboy.

[Sure-Oz]

My parents had their vaccinations back in early February. Both are in their mid-to-late 70's and didn't have any issues. All of my brothers and sister received the shots in February and March. I'm the oldest yet the last to receive the vaccine (thanks, California!).

My vaccination site didn't become sore until a couple of hours after receiving it and unlike some people, I didn't need to take Tylenol or Advil. My wife said her site hurt for about 4 days, then went away, although her second shot didn't cause any pain at all.

All I know is that I'll take this vaccine over the Small Pox vaccine we all received as kids. I can still clearly remember waiting in line at school to receive the shot and the drill like apparatus that was used for injection but I don't recall any pain or side effects, although the scar is still clearly visible today.The shot doesn't even hurt. The injection site hurt for a few days but no side effects at all on both for me. My mother had a light fever for a half day but she's had major health issues including cancer recently. She felt fine a day later.

My father had no side effects and is pretty much a disabled heart patient. Everyone I've known that has gotten moderna or pfizer have had light symptoms or no symptoms.

[J Diddy]

I never said I was against vaccines. Those you listed were also not rushed and sent out without FDA approval. Personally, I think it would be irresponsible to give your kids This vaccine since the long-term health effects are not known and even the short-term problems have cause one major vaccine to be "paused" for further study. But that is Personal Choice- something Every person should be allowed to make in a Free Country.


Personal choice is bullshit when your personal choice could impact me or mine.



No vaccine is 100% effective, and if you let that shit linger it could mutate into something that a vaccine doesn't work against.



I'm all for your personal choice as long as it involves not coming around anybody that it could spread to. In which case I praise your personal choice infinitely.

[Chief Roundup]

BTW- I have very specific health reasons not to get the vaccination. .

It is very public that people with legitimate reasons are not asked or required to get the vaccine. That has never changed.

[J Diddy]

The shot doesn't even hurt. The injection site hurt for a few days but no side effects at all on both for me. My mother had a light fever for a half day but she's had major health issues including cancer recently. She felt fine a day later.

My father had no side effects and is pretty much a disabled heart patient. Everyone I've known that has gotten moderna or pfizer have had light symptoms or no symptoms.


Heart patient. Cancer Survivor. 1st Moderna wasn't shit. The second knocked me on my ass. It was like condensing a week of the flu into 24 hours. Crazy vivid dreams.

[Halfcan]

Ignore science and be proud of it and blame some internet message name-calling. I'm so sorry if I hurt your precious feelings with rational thought.

To repeat: I understand why people are hesitant about getting the vaccine. I only pointed out why there was more to it than your third-grade understanding of the situation.

Stay blind, ponyboy.

You didn't hurt my feeling asshole. As I posted in my reply to Dane- I have a personal health reason not to get the vaccine. Others do as well and should not have to be persecuted on social media, lose their jobs or have Commie restrictions put on them.

So some opinion from a narcist dick wad typing with his $200,000 Paul Rudd jacket on means nothing to me.

[Chief Roundup]

Personal choice is bullshit when your personal choice could impact me or mine.

One person's rights end where another person's rights begin.

[J Diddy]

One person's rights end where another person's rights begin.


So does a circle's asshole.

[DaneMcCloud]

I never said I was against vaccines. Those you listed were also not rushed and sent out without FDA approval. Personally, I think it would be irresponsible to give your kids This vaccine since the long-term health effects are not known and even the short-term problems have cause one major vaccine to be "paused" for further study. But that is Personal Choice- something Every person should be allowed to make in a Free Country.

One major vaccine was paused because 1 in 7 million people *might* be at risk of developing a blood clot.

The chances are greater that a person could be eaten by a shark or killed by lightening than getting a blood clot after taking the J&J vaccine, so I guess it's time to pause walking outdoors in the rain or swimming in the ocean, too.

And mRNA technology is very, very different from conventional vaccines, so this fear of taking it because it's "new" is absolutely unwarranted.

It's just fear, not rational fear. Uneducated fear.

[J Diddy]

One major vaccine was paused because 1 in 7 million people could develop a blood clot.

The chances are greater that a person would be eaten by a shark or killed by lightening than getting a blood clot after taking the J&J vaccine, so I guess it's time to pause walking outdoors in the rain or swimming in the ocean, too.

And mRNA technology is very, very different from conventional vaccines, so this fear of taking it because it's new is absolutely unwarranted.

It's just fear, not rational fear.


Sharknado could increase the chance of a fatal shark attack in MO.



Just saying.

[Halfcan]

It is very public that people with legitimate reasons are not asked or required to get the vaccine. That has never changed.

Thanks for posting this for all the jackals on here wishing death to those not getting the vax.

[TwistedChief]

You didn't hurt my feeling asshole. As I posted in my reply to Dane- I have a personal health reason not to get the vaccine. Others do as well and should not have to be persecuted on social media, lose their jobs or have Commie restrictions put on them.

So some opinion from a narcist dick wad typing with his $200,000 Paul Rudd jacket on means nothing to me.

Your spelling is atrocious and math is equally poor.

If you have a health issue, by all means, don't get vaccinated. If you have serious doubts about the safety of the vaccine and want full FDA approval, by all means wait another few months and feel more comfortable.

But that is not remotely what your issues are.

Originally Posted by Halfcan
If you have taken the vaccine then you can't get it from someone who hasn't- so why public shame them?

Being in favor of other people's taking the vaccine is NOT public shaming. You don't even understand the basic science behind all of this, and there's no part of any of your responses that would lead someone to the conclusion that you care to listen with an open mind.

[J Diddy]

Thanks for posting this for all the jackals on here wishing death to those not getting the vax.


Your user title says in search of a life, don't confuse that with hiding from death.



What you need to do is get some meth (best high), go to Orlando and get squirted on by a hooker and sign us some Orlando Brown on your way back.

[Spott]

Your user title says in search of a life, don't confuse that with hiding from death.



What you need to do is get some meth (best high), go to Orlando and get squirted on by a hooker and sign us some Orlando Brown on your way back.

That was Miami, not Orlando.

[|Zach|]

You didn't hurt my feeling asshole. As I posted in my reply to Dane- I have a personal health reason not to get the vaccine. Others do as well and should not have to be persecuted on social media, lose their jobs or have Commie restrictions put on them.

So some opinion from a narcist dick wad typing with his $200,000 Paul Rudd jacket on means nothing to me.

Imagine what sort of bullshit this is.

[J Diddy]

That was Miami, not Orlando.


Real men get squirted on in Orlando.

[mlyonsd]

Just so we're all on the same page here, those that are advocating everyone should get the covid vaccine will also religiously get a flu shot every year. Right?

[TwistedChief]

Imagine what sort of bullshit this is.

Maybe yes, maybe no. But your response is a super weak way to refute his argument. And you play into exactly what he's railing against and it's completely counterproductive.

[J Diddy]

Just so we're all on the same page here, those that are advocating everyone should get the covid vaccine will also religiously get a flu shot every year. Right?


I got mine. You puss out?

[mlyonsd]

I got mine. You puss out?
Wow. Where did that come from.

[TwistedChief]

Just so we're all on the same page here, those that are advocating everyone should get the covid vaccine will also religiously get a flu shot every year. Right?

Sorry, but this is a horrible comparison.

For starters, covid is a lot more transmissible than the common flu.

Beyond that, there are multiple strains of the flu each year. And they're forever evolving. And the flu vaccine is directed at one of them. So you're kinda shooting in the dark when you get the flu vaccine. And it's less deadly. And fewer people in the population are going to take it so it's naturally going to have less aggregate impact. So you're never going to come close to eradicating the flu.

The covid vaccine on the other hand is targeted at one particular strain of the virus, and at least at this point, ridding ourselves of that strain could make a huge difference.

Flu vaccine = 50%-ish efficacy
Covid vaccine = 90%-ish efficacy

[mlyonsd]

Sorry, but this is a horrible comparison.

For starters, covid is a lot more transmissible than the common flu.

Beyond that, there are multiple strains of the flu each year. And they're forever evolving. And the flu vaccine is directed at one of them. So you're kinda shooting in the dark when you get the flu vaccine. And it's less deadly. And fewer people in the population are going to take it so it's naturally going to have less aggregate impact. So you're never going to come close to eradicating the flu.

The covid vaccine on the other hand is targeted at one particular strain of the virus, and at least at this point, ridding ourselves of that strain could make a huge difference.

Flu vaccine = 50%-ish efficacy
Covid vaccine = 90%-ish efficacy

It's a perfect comparison if the goal is to save other people's lives, not necessarily your own.

[DaneMcCloud]

Do those "rules" apply to the homeless army camped out up and down California's beaches? What about the masses of people with zero identification or vaccinations pouring into your state? You can't protect the sheep if you don't keep out the wolves.

I wasn't aware that homeless people, you know, people who are broke and homeless, are employed and have the money to attend concerts, sporting events, movie theaters and everything else that society has to offer.

Secondly, while I've seen plenty of homeless living on the streets in Los Angeles, I've yet to see a homeless person or homeless people on highly populated beaches such as Redondo, Manhattan, Santa Monica, Will Rogers or Malibu. I'm not stating that they aren't around but the police and municipalities keep a tight check on the beaches at all times.

BTW- I have very specific health reasons not to get the vaccination. So others on here wishing death, job loss, forced compliance can go fuck themselves. These were some of the same morons that said they would never get the "Trump" vaccine because it was rushed and unsafe. Now since their overlords have flip-flopped- they think it is okay to persecute people on social media. Pathetic.

Maybe I missed it but I haven't seen anyone wishing "death" upon those that chose not to get vaccinated.

As for the speed in which the vaccine was developed - DUH!

These vaccines weren't developed in a lab back in the 1940's, they were developed in 2020 with the help of a network of super computers. Both the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines were developed in less than 2 days because human beings now have the assistance of AI and other computer software breakthroughs. Anyone negatively commenting on the "speed" in which these vaccines were developed has absolutely zero background in genetics, biology, computer science and technology. And beside all of that, developing quick and effective vaccines is AMAZING for mankind.

Do you realize how many people would have been saved from horrible diseases such as Smallpox had computers been invented and assisting scientists worldwide prior to the 1950's?

[TwistedChief]

It's a perfect comparison if the goal is to save other people's lives, not necessarily your own.

It's not the perfect comparison at all.

There's one strain of covid that's dominant in this country. It can probably be largely eradicated if a large percentage of the population gets the vaccine. So, in essence, if we all band together, we can make a difference for the public good. That's a large part of the argument for getting the Covid vaccine.

That's not remotely the case for the flu vaccine. Yes, in theory, getting that vaccine reduces the risk that you get the flu and also reduces the risk that others get the flu that season. And that's a positive! But it doesn't remotely eradicate the flu going forward. And the flu itself isn't as deadly as Covid.

Your agument is like saying, "If you don't wash your hands every time you get home, you're a total hypocrite by arguing for the Covid vaccine because by not washing your hands you could get sick and then get others sick."

Similarly, I got very ill with the flu going to the Chiefs/Texans playoff game a couple years ago. I'm sure I got it on the flight seated next to some guy. I should stop traveling altogether going forward based on your argument because I'm more likely to get sick and more likely to transmit it to others if I continue to go to Chiefs games.

[|Zach|]

Maybe yes, maybe no. But your response is a super weak way to refute his argument. And you play into exactly what he's railing against and it's completely counterproductive.

Someone is taking Halfcan really seriously. Weird.

Have you read his posts?

[RealSNR]

Imagine what sort of bullshit this is.

:shrug:

https://yalehealth.yale.edu/yale-covid-19-vaccine-program/who-should-and-shouldnt-get-covid-19-vaccine

People with a severe allergic reaction (anaphylaxis) to any component of the COVID-19 vaccine should NOT receive the vaccine.

People with a severe allergic reaction (anaphylaxis) to any vaccine or injectable (intramuscular or intravenous) medication should consult with their health provider to assess risk prior to receiving the COVID-19 vaccine

[mlyonsd]

It's not the perfect comparison at all.

There's one strain of covid that's dominant in this country. It can probably be largely eradicated if a large percentage of the population gets the vaccine. So, in essence, if we all band together, we can make a difference for the public good. That's a large part of the argument for getting the Covid vaccine.

That's not remotely the case for the flu vaccine. Yes, in theory, getting that vaccine reduces the risk that you get the flu and also reduces the risk that others get the flu that season. And that's a positive! But it doesn't remotely eradicate the flu going forward. And the flu itself isn't as deadly as Covid.

Your agument is like saying, "If you don't wash your hands every time you get home, you're a total hypocrite by arguing for the Covid vaccine because by not washing your hands you could get sick and then get others sick."

Similarly, I got very ill with the flu going to the Chiefs/Texans playoff game a couple years ago. I'm sure I got it on the flight seated next to some guy. I should stop traveling altogether going forward based on your argument because I'm more likely to get sick and more likely to transmit it to others if I continue to go to Chiefs games.
It is a perfect comparison to the point I'm attempting to make, however poorly I'm doing it.

If getting the covid vaccine knowing you have a 99.something% of not dying of the disease is the best thing for everyone else, the same logic should be used during flu season. It doesn't matter how effective the flu shot is going into flu season. Hope for the best that it is effective, which eliminates you transmitting the flu to someone down the line where it could prove to be fatal.

[Sure-Oz]

Heart patient. Cancer Survivor. 1st Moderna wasn't shit. The second knocked me on my ass. It was like condensing a week of the flu into 24 hours. Crazy vivid dreams.Man that sucks ass. Its pretty crazy how some people get so ill and others nothing or very light. Hope you are feeling much better now.

[007]

Jesus. This world has completely gone to shit. Reading all this back and forth is plain sad. There is too much hate and disrespect for others going on. The human race has no chance.

[TwistedChief]

It is a perfect comparison to the point I'm attempting to make, however poorly I'm doing it.

If getting the covid vaccine knowing you have a 99.something% of not dying of the disease is the best thing for everyone else, the same logic should be used during flu season. It doesn't matter how effective the flu shot is going into flu season. Hope for the best that it is effective, which eliminates you transmitting the flu to someone down the line where it could prove to be fatal.

Buddy, I know the exact point you’re trying to make. And it’s just not really comparable. I thought I explained it pretty clearly in the other post. If not, we can just agree to disagree on this one. Hope all is well.

[J Diddy]

Man that sucks ass. Its pretty crazy how some people get so ill and others nothing or very light. Hope you are feeling much better now.




I'm feeling great. Funniest thing about this is I was talking my ass off in my sleep about nonsense, mostly weird scenarios that ranged in time from 20 years ago to yesterday.



My poor wife smacked me 3 times in the middle of the night to remind me "to shut up, you're not at work, you're sleeping."


I had the next day off to recover. She worked for 12 hours on 2 hours of sleep.

[J Diddy]

Wow. Where did that come from.


I'm just playing. Take nothing but what you paid for my words when you read them.

[Bearcat]

It is a perfect comparison to the point I'm attempting to make, however poorly I'm doing it.

If getting the covid vaccine knowing you have a 99.something% of not dying of the disease is the best thing for everyone else, the same logic should be used during flu season. It doesn't matter how effective the flu shot is going into flu season. Hope for the best that it is effective, which eliminates you transmitting the flu to someone down the line where it could prove to be fatal.

Sure it does, no one can make that decision without knowing a rough percentage of risk that you're willing to take on. If a bad flu season is 60k deaths and Covid season is 600k, ten times the risk is pretty significant just to write off and say if you care about Covid you should care about the flu.

That would be like saying if you never drive because you're afraid of getting into a car accident, you shouldn't ever fly.... even though one is clearly more dangerous than the other.

I mean, I get what you're saying in a "you either value life or you don't", but we all take the level of risk we're comfortable with (for ourselves or others).

(and I do get a flu shot every year)

And while people's opinions of what a notable/terrible number of deaths is for any given thing, I'm far more dumbfounded by people getting the vaccine for the relatively more selfish reason of getting back to normal... especially when citing the whole 6 people in 7 million stat.

[Bearcat]

Jesus. This world has completely gone to shit. Reading all this back and forth is plain sad. There is too much hate and disrespect for others going on. The human race has no chance.

GFY.






o:-)

[007]

GFY.






o:-)


Exactly. LMAO

[mlyonsd]

Buddy, I know the exact point you’re trying to make. And it’s just not really comparable. I thought I explained it pretty clearly in the other post. If not, we can just agree to disagree on this one. Hope all is well.
Of course we can agree to disagree. We're good. My hope is that some realize there is another disease out there that can be just as deadly to some, and that taking precautions to reduce the possibility of transmitting it to someone else where it could be fatal might be avoided.

[mlyonsd]

Sure it does, no one can make that decision without knowing a rough percentage of risk that you're willing to take on. If a bad flu season is 60k deaths and Covid season is 600k, ten times the risk is pretty significant just to write off and say if you care about Covid you should care about the flu.

That would be like saying if you never drive because you're afraid of getting into a car accident, you shouldn't ever fly.... even though one is clearly more dangerous than the other.

I mean, I get what you're saying in a "you either value life or you don't", but we all take the level of risk we're comfortable with (for ourselves or others).

(and I do get a flu shot every year)

And while people's opinions of what a notable/terrible number of deaths is for any given thing, I'm far more dumbfounded by people getting the vaccine for the relatively more selfish reason of getting back to normal... especially when citing the whole 6 people in 7 million stat.
I would never expect someone to have something injected into themselves they are afraid of. That isn't the point I was trying to make. I'm attempting to point out a flu shot might save someone else's life.

[Bearcat]

I would never expect someone to have something injected into themselves they are afraid of. That isn't the point I was trying to make. I'm attempting to point out a flu shot might save someone else's life.

I know, that's the risk I'm talking about... the risk of spreading the flu or Covid to someone else.

And on average, I believe they estimate it's 3 times easier to spread Covid and the stats say a Covid season is 10 times deadlier than the worst flu season.

That should be taken into account.... wanting to save lives doesn't equate to wanting to save every life. If it did, I'd never get behind the wheel of a car again, especially not with anyone in the car with me.

[BIG_DADDY]

Personal choice is bullshit when your personal choice could impact me or mine.

**** you and yours. If you are scared stayed home. Every twat on the planet feels the need to control everyone else. Control yourself.

No vaccine is 100% effective, and if you let that shit linger it could mutate into something that a vaccine doesn't work against.

Go blow a horse Dr. Diddy.

I'm all for your personal choice as long as it involves not coming around anybody that it could spread to. In which case I praise your personal choice infinitely.

If you're scared stay home. If you get the vaccine, you should be bullet proof. Quit trying to dictate what the rest of the world should inject into their bloodstream.

[J Diddy]

If you're scared stay home. If you get the vaccine, you should be bullet proof. Quit trying to dictate what the rest of the world should inject into their bloodstream.


BIG DUMMY ftw.



If there's a vaccine that could stop the threat and you don't get it, it exposes me to different variations of the virus and in effect allows your shit stain to inject something that I would have been protected from into my bloodstream.



Do tell me, what is your objection to the vaccine? Please tell me you're citing the Wakefield study as your reason, as you previously did.

[Bearcat]

Scared of Covid, just stay home!

Scared of a vaccine, just stay home!



I'm with 007, we're all fucked.

[J Diddy]

Scared of Covid, just stay home!

Scared of a vaccine, just stay home!



I'm with 007, we're all ****ed.




I got a vaccine and went to Vegas 3 weeks ago. I may have the clap but I ain't got Covid.



:)

[BIG_DADDY]

Scared of Covid, just stay home!

Scared of a vaccine, just stay home!



I'm with 007, we're all ****ed.

Only one of those apply Many are not scared of Covid and just don't want the vaccine. Masks, vaccines and staying home should cover the rest but every twat has control issues so here we go.

[|Zach|]

Only one of those apply Many are not scared of Covid and just don't want the vaccine. Masks, vaccines and staying home should cover the rest but every twat has control issues so here we go.

The guy who was stupid enough believe Andrew Wakefield has things to say everyone.

[|Zach|]

I got a vaccine and went to Vegas 3 weeks ago. I may have the clap but I ain't got Covid.



:)

LMAO

[Bearcat]

I got a vaccine and went to Vegas 3 weeks ago. I may have the clap but I ain't got Covid.


:)

Heh... does it more or less look normal on the strip these days? I went a couple times when I first moved here, as it's not a bad drive, but it's not generally my thing.

[J Diddy]

Only one of those apply Many are not scared of Covid and just don't want the vaccine. Masks, vaccines and staying home should cover the rest but every twat has control issues so here we go.


If you have it, despite me being vaccinated, does that not raise my chances of getting it, or possibly carrying it to someone who didn't get vaccinated.



It's not a control issue, dickweed, it's a risk minimization issue.



It don't make 2 fucks to me if you're playing golf in a lightening storm unless by you doing so raises the risk to me and mine.

[Chief Roundup]

If you're scared stay home. If you get the vaccine, you should be bullet proof. Quit trying to dictate what the rest of the world should inject into their bloodstream.Any person that is not fully vaccinated, not talking about covid, just as an example cannot attend public or private school or public or private college. The precedent has already been set and accepted by the American people. I bet you have had all those required vaccines.
You are wrong in thinking that if a person gets the vaccine that they are bullet proof from the virus.
If a person chooses to not get said vaccine that person is choosing to not be able to enjoy all that society has to offer. Every choice has consequences.

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[Chief Roundup]

Only one of those apply Many are not scared of Covid and just don't want the vaccine. Masks, vaccines and staying home should cover the rest but every twat has control issues so here we go.Is it because it is not FDA approved? If it is I would urge people to look at what they have approved and then double check that opinion again. Or even things that are not regulated by the FDA that you put in your body. Do you drink bottled water?

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[BIG_DADDY]

BIG DUMMY ftw.



If there's a vaccine that could stop the threat and you don't get it, it exposes me to different variations of the virus and in effect allows your shit stain to inject something that I would have been protected from into my bloodstream.



Do tell me, what is your objection to the vaccine? Please tell me you're citing the Wakefield study as your reason, as you previously did.

Wakefield was reinstated and exonerated but that's a different story and has nothing to do with the freedom to decide what gets directly injected into your bloodstream. MIT has also done anitbody testing longer term than what's available to the general public and it shows longer term resistance than what's being reported, even to the variants. Quit trying to make decisions for everyone else in the world. Quit being a twat. Quit pretending you got laid in Vegas.

[J Diddy]

Heh... does it more or less look normal on the strip these days? I went a couple times when I first moved here, as it's not a bad drive, but it's not generally my thing.


Mostly stayed to Fremont, went to the strip to ride the observation merry go round thing and it was packed at early in the morning.



Fremont was lighter but still had a lot of people. Missed the live music performances and the street "entertainers" were horrendous.



The best part of the trip (besides the wife winning 7k) was going to a tattoo shop at 11 am. Got there just in time to hear the only artist on duty having a lively debate with was either the owner or manager abut how he was not willing to have any days but Sundays and Mondays off. Poor young ladies in front of us had an appointment booked as he told his boss to take this job and shove it. He was polite as can be after he got off the phone and informed the ladies that someone will be along soon to take care of them (as he's packing up his shit). We decided not to get tattoos by an angry man that was called in and headed to the Gold and Silver Pawn to look around.

[Chief Pagan]

Just so we're all on the same page here, those that are advocating everyone should get the covid vaccine will also religiously get a flu shot every year. Right?

The number of Americans getting the flu shot this year was, I believe, an all time high and I hope that continues. Unlike covid, flu is really spread by kids.

I recall reading that even though it is primarily the elderly that die of the flu, more lives could be saved by giving kids the flu shot.

Although not getting the flu would seem to be reason enough to get a flu shot.

[BIG_DADDY]

Any person that is not fully vaccinated, not talking about covid, just as an example cannot attend public or private school or public or private college. The precedent has already been set and accepted by the American people. I bet you have had all those required vaccines.
You are wrong in thinking that if a person gets the vaccine that they are bullet proof from the virus.
If a person chooses to not get said vaccine that person is choosing to not be able to enjoy all that society has to offer. Every choice has consequences.

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Simply not true. I have lived in the most restrictive state in the union and know many who continue to decide what if any vaccines they choose to take for their family. **** what has been dictated to society from vaccines to guns.

[Bearcat]

Only one of those apply Many are not scared of Covid and just don't want the vaccine. Masks, vaccines and staying home should cover the rest but every twat has control issues so here we go.

I actually agree with this to some extent, but there's also things like full capacity sporting events and live music. Those things aren't coming back because of masks... we already have those.

And while I don't necessarily care if I have to wear a mask somewhere, it would certainly be nice to not have to wear one on a 3 hour flight or at an outdoor stadium (FFS).

I mean, fuck other people's feelings for a second, I just want the next AFCCG to be at a packed Arrowhead and to see live music again and not wear a mask in Phoenix when it's 95 degrees.... and if the fastest way to normal is getting a shot, I'll do (did) that.

Not sure why some people are resisting the fastest path towards normalcy. :shrug:

[J Diddy]

Wakefield was reinstated and exonerated but that's a different story and has nothing to do with the freedom to decide what gets directly injected into your bloodstream. MIT has also done anitbody testing longer term than what's available to the general public and it shows longer term resistance than what's being reported, even to the variants. Quit trying to make decisions for everyone else in the world. Quit being a twat. Quit pretending you got laid in Vegas.


I truly missed your level of stupid?
1) There's no exoneration or reinstatement in a study. Papers are studied and peer reviewed. That is how the information is judged. He admitted fraud and was disbarred in 2010.

2) The mrna sequencing for vaccines was a reaction to the original SARS scare. This was not a new and untested delivery method.

3) Not making a decision for anyone else, however, don't expect me to hide my truth when your decision could have impacting effects for us all (especially if you had enough people who think like you do--thank God that's not an issue).

4) I was with my wife in Vegas, of course I got laid. That's what married folk do.

[BIG_DADDY]

I actually agree with this to some extent, but there's also things like full capacity sporting events and live music. Those things aren't coming back because of masks... we already have those.

And while I don't necessarily care if I have to wear a mask somewhere, it would certainly be nice to not have to wear one on a 3 hour flight or at an outdoor stadium (FFS).

I mean, **** other people's feelings for a second, I just want the next AFCCG to be at a packed Arrowhead and to see live music again and not wear a mask in Phoenix when it's 95 degrees.... and if the fastest way to normal is getting a shot, I'll do (did) that.

Not sure why some people are resisting the fastest path towards normalcy. :shrug:

My wife works for the airlines and people are sick of it. When people start stressing in line to the reps people speak up all the time. "If you are scared stay home!!!" I do believe all businesses have the right to dictate whatever they want for their situation and let consumers decide. If you want the twat market make everything mandatory and you will get their business. You will not get mine. The businesses you mention are really in a corner but the no fear crew numbers are growing daily. The BWillieScared market shrinks by the day.

[J Diddy]

I actually agree with this to some extent, but there's also things like full capacity sporting events and live music. Those things aren't coming back because of masks... we already have those.

And while I don't necessarily care if I have to wear a mask somewhere, it would certainly be nice to not have to wear one on a 3 hour flight or at an outdoor stadium (FFS).

I mean, **** other people's feelings for a second, I just want the next AFCCG to be at a packed Arrowhead and to see live music again and not wear a mask in Phoenix when it's 95 degrees.... and if the fastest way to normal is getting a shot, I'll do (did) that.

Not sure why some people are resisting the fastest path towards normalcy. :shrug:


I didn't know you were in Phoenix. My mother in law is in Sun City. Down that way a few times. Love it there.

[J Diddy]

My wife works for the airlines and people are sick of it. When people start stressing in line to the reps people speak up all the time. "If you are scared stay home!!!" I do believe all businesses have the right to dictate whatever they want for their situation and let consumers decide. If you want the twat market make everything mandatory and you will get their business. You will not get mine. The businesses you mention are really in a corner but the no fear crew numbers are growing daily. The BWillieScared market shrinks by the day.


That's cause they're dying ya dipshit

[Discuss Thrower]

Not sure why some people are resisting the fastest path towards normalcy. :shrug:

It's been made explicit there is no returning to "normalcy" by the experts.

[Bearcat]

Mostly stayed to Fremont, went to the strip to ride the observation merry go round thing and it was packed at early in the morning.

Fremont was lighter but still had a lot of people. Missed the live music performances and the street "entertainers" were horrendous.

The best part of the trip (besides the wife winning 7k) was going to a tattoo shop at 11 am. Got there just in time to hear the only artist on duty having a lively debate with was either the owner or manager abut how he was not willing to have any days but Sundays and Mondays off. Poor young ladies in front of us had an appointment booked as he told his boss to take this job and shove it. He was polite as can be after he got off the phone and informed the ladies that someone will be along soon to take care of them (as he's packing up his shit). We decided not to get tattoos by an angry man that was called in and headed to the Gold and Silver Pawn to look around.

Damn, nice haul.

Fremont is so fucking weird, but highly entertaining just for the people watching. And it's the last time I ate White Castle.

I don't find much fun in gambling, so on the strip I just look for music and a decent drink (and there's actually a couple of good spots for craft beer, which is always more trustworthy than a bartender on the strip)... so, I've just figured it's not worth it for the time being.

[BIG_DADDY]

I truly missed your level of stupid?
1) There's no exoneration or reinstatement in a study. Papers are studied and peer reviewed. That is how the information is judged. He admitted fraud and was disbarred in 2010.

2) The mrna sequencing for vaccines was a reaction to the original SARS scare. This was not a new and untested delivery method.

3) Not making a decision for anyone else, however, don't expect me to hide my truth when your decision could have impacting effects for us all (especially if you had enough people who think like you do--thank God that's not an issue).

4) I was with my wife in Vegas, of course I got laid. That's what married folk do.

1. Wakefield is another subject we can do at a different time. Your diversion.

2. I never said it was had not been tested before.

3. Is all BS. You want mandates because you are a controlling twat. If you are scared stay home. If the vaccine works, why do you care what anyone else does? You supports an authoritarian state, mandates and have control issues. TWAT

4. If your married you must be a swinger if you caught something.

I moved to Texas to get away from this BS. I must say it's nice here.

[J Diddy]

Damn, nice haul.

Fremont is so ****ing weird, but highly entertaining just for the people watching. And it's the last time I ate White Castle.

I don't find much fun in gambling, so on the strip I just look for music and a decent drink (and there's actually a couple of good spots for craft beer, which is always more trustworthy than a bartender on the strip)... so, I've just figured it's not worth it for the time being.


I feel you, got sick of giving my money away pretty early. Went to a couple of museums, got to take a helicopter flight at night, saw a Picasso painting at the Pawn Star's shop, tried some weird ass food from Hawaii at the California, and got to check out the Stadium Swim at the Circa. Fun trip. Originally we were scheduled to go to a country concert in Florida in March of 2020 but the concert and the flight were cancelled so we had to divert. Road tripping to the Northeast in the fall to finally see some shit I never seen before.

Why went to the mob museum when we were there. A kick ass in house speakeasy and their own distillery is in the basement.



Had a blast.

[BIG_DADDY]

That's cause they're dying ya dipshit
Maybe they should get your vaccine, TWAT.

[J Diddy]

1. Wakefield is another subject we can do at a different time. Your diversion.

2. I never said it was had not been tested before.

3. Is all BS. You want mandates because you are a controlling twat. If you are scared stay home. If the vaccine works, why do you care what anyone else does? You supports an authoritarian state, mandates and have control issues. TWAT

4. If your married you must be a swinger if you caught something.

I moved to Texas to get away from this BS. I must say it's nice here.


Big Daddy I love you. I'm happy that you're happy.

[BIG_DADDY]

Big Daddy I love you. I'm happy that you're happy.

I love you too dog.......cat :hmmm: Goodnight man.

[Bearcat]

It's been made explicit there is no returning to "normalcy" by the experts.

The same experts who shut down a vaccine because 6 people in 7 million developed blood clots?

What do you think that says about their predictions?

There's no reason to think full capacity sporting events or live music are gone forever.

[J Diddy]

It's been made explicit there is no returning to "normalcy" by the experts.


Depends on your definition of normalcy. We're not always going to be in masks, we're going to be able to listen to live music again, however, some great restaurants and clubs are gone forever.

[htismaqe]

The same experts who shut down a vaccine because 6 people in 7 million developed blood clots?

What do you think that says about their predictions?

There's no reason to think full capacity sporting events or live music are gone forever.

A lot of self-supported bands and small venues certainly are gone forever. Can't really be helped, it was a pandemic but your statement isn't completely true.

[Bearcat]

I feel you, got sick of giving my money away pretty early. Went to a couple of museums, got to take a helicopter flight at night, saw a Picasso painting at the Pawn Star's shop, tried some weird ass food from Hawaii at the California, and got to check out the Stadium Swim at the Circa. Fun trip. Originally we were scheduled to go to a country concert in Florida in March of 2020 but the concert and the flight were cancelled so we had to divert. Road tripping to the Northeast in the fall to finally see some shit I never seen before.

Why went to the mob museum when we were there. A kick ass in house speakeasy and their own distillery is in the basement.



Had a blast.

Yeah, there's a ton to do there. I actually just got back from a few days in Florida, which was the first time out of state in 6+ months.

Last March I bought some flights for the summer when flights were super cheap, but of course didn't end up going anywhere.... one of those was Guns N Roses and Smashing Pumpkins at Fenway Park in August, and at the time in March I was sure we'd be back to normal. :#

[Discuss Thrower]

Depends on your definition of normalcy. We're not always going to be in masks

Ha.

[Bearcat]

Ha.

Uh, that's already reversing itself... state mandates are going away and many places within those states were only following state guidelines to begin with.


I guess this is where I say fear mongering!!! :shrug:

[Discuss Thrower]

Uh, that's already reversing itself... state mandates are going away and many places within those states were only following state guidelines to begin with.


I guess this is where I say fear mongering!!! :shrug:

And do the experts agree with the reversing of those mandates?

[Pitt Gorilla]

My wife works for the airlines and people are sick of it. When people start stressing in line to the reps people speak up all the time. "If you are scared stay home!!!" I do believe all businesses have the right to dictate whatever they want for their situation and let consumers decide. If you want the twat market make everything mandatory and you will get their business. You will not get mine. The businesses you mention are really in a corner but the no fear crew numbers are growing daily. The BWillieScared market shrinks by the day.

"No fear!" except, of course, of taking a vaccine.

[RealSNR]

My wife works for the airlines and people are sick of it. When people start stressing in line to the reps people speak up all the time. "If you are scared stay home!!!" I do believe all businesses have the right to dictate whatever they want for their situation and let consumers decide. If you want the twat market make everything mandatory and you will get their business. You will not get mine. The businesses you mention are really in a corner but the no fear crew numbers are growing daily. The BWillieScared market shrinks by the day.

You didn't really answer the question.

[RealSNR]

Ha.

I have a question. And I'm not trying to be a dick.

What happened in your life to make you so goddamn cynical? I'm not saying you were a jolly ray of sunshine at any point in your time on CP, but now if you're not talking football, the only shit you post is nihilistic "Fuck everything and fuck you too" garbage. Every comment you make about COVID suggests that none of us have any agency whatsoever and we're all going to have to wear masks in public for the rest of our goddamn lives.

If that's what you believe, then it's what you believe. I'm not going to tell you your version of reality is wrong, only because it's impossible to prove. I'm just wondering what made you so goddamn pessimistic or how you got to be this way.

[flinchfree]

There will be worse strains of Covid coming.
Those with vaccinations will fare better when those new variants arrive, mounting at least fair immuno response and likely better placed by taking boosters as they too become available.
Those who don't take the vax are ffed.
Now that medical science and the best among us that have delivered it have proven once again what an incredible species we are, I'm not that fussed that the stupid and conspiratorial will be more heavily affected and thinned.
It's evolution and the wiser brain shall predominate.
Guns won't do shit in this fight, it's all between the ears.

[DTHOF]

"We are all in this together" Except for Astrazeneca, Phizer , Moderna and J&J they are all getting paid $$$$$$. Not a conspiracy theorist at all but big Pharma really seems to be making out on this one. Wonder what the profit margin is on the shots?

[RealSNR]

"We are all in this together" Except for Astrazeneca, Phizer , Moderna and J&J they are all getting paid $$$$$$. Not a conspiracy theorist at all but big Pharma really seems to be making out on this one. Wonder what the profit margin is on the shots?

Yeah! They really seem to be doing good business these days! Why don't we ever hear about local mom and pop pharmaceutical companies and THEIR vaccines??!!!!!

[Chief Roundup]

Simply not true. I have lived in the most restrictive state in the union and know many who continue to decide what if any vaccines they choose to take for their family. **** what has been dictated to society from vaccines to guns.What state? Part of department of education guidelines is following mandates by department of health.

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[Monticore]

Yeah! They really seem to be doing good business these days! Why don't we ever hear about local mom and pop pharmaceutical companies and THEIR vaccines??!!!!!

I understand these companies make tons of cash but they do it while trying to develop medications designed to help people and the better they help people the more they make which helps them develop more/better drugs yet they seem to get way more hate than cigarette companies.

Some companies will make big money off their COVID-19 vaccines — but not as much as they could

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/covid-vaccine-profits-pharmaceutical-companies-pfizer-1.5812619

[Rainbarrel]

There are places with booths. No need to fear fainting in public. I may need it, the first shot made me sick as a dog.

[htismaqe]

I understand these companies make tons of cash but they do it while trying to develop medications designed to help people and the better they help people the more they make which helps them develop more/better drugs yet they seem to get way more hate than cigarette companies.

Some companies will make big money off their COVID-19 vaccines — but not as much as they could

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/covid-vaccine-profits-pharmaceutical-companies-pfizer-1.5812619

You make it sound like pharmaceutical companies operate on altruism, as if they're different from every other corporation on earth.

The dozens and dozens of successful lawsuits over the years say otherwise.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't get the vaccine but let's not fabricate reality in order to convince people. Pharmaceutical companies are for-profit entities and they don't do ANYTHING out of altruism.

[htismaqe]

I have a question. And I'm not trying to be a dick.

What happened in your life to make you so goddamn cynical? I'm not saying you were a jolly ray of sunshine at any point in your time on CP, but now if you're not talking football, the only shit you post is nihilistic "Fuck everything and fuck you too" garbage. Every comment you make about COVID suggests that none of us have any agency whatsoever and we're all going to have to wear masks in public for the rest of our goddamn lives.

If that's what you believe, then it's what you believe. I'm not going to tell you your version of reality is wrong, only because it's impossible to prove. I'm just wondering what made you so goddamn pessimistic or how you got to be this way.

I don't believe we're going to wear masks forever simply because I don't think people will actually do it.

I do think if the government had their way, we'd wear them for much, much longer than needed.

As for what has made me so cynical about the government, do you really need to ask?

[stevieray]

"what society has to offer" is going to be the new lame buzzphrase.

like "flatten the curve"

[Donger]

I asked the same elsewhere, but for those who have had the vaccines, did your paperwork say anything about the amount of time after the second shot, or after the J&J jab, which should pass before you are "fully vaccinated"? Mine did not, and the tech who stuck me didn't either.

For those who don't know, the times are:

Pfizer = 14 days after boost shot.
Moderna = 14 days after boost shot.
J&J = 15 to 29 days.

[Bearcat]

You didn't really answer the question.

I think he's saying ego is more important than getting back to normal. :shrug:

Kind of like a kid I know who repeatedly does whatever the hell they want and is constantly making life worse and worse.... and the choices are to "be a sheep" as immature adults would say and get back to some sort of normalcy as quickly as possible, or I guess "have no fear" and deal with the the shitty reality even longer.

Doing things you don't agree with so you can have the things you want or want to avoid in the long run kind of sucks sometimes, but that's the free choice you're given in society... hell, if I let my ego get in the way enough, I'd drive a lot faster and never do taxes again, consequences be damned.

[htismaqe]

I asked the same elsewhere, but for those who have had the vaccines, did your paperwork say anything about the amount of time after the second shot, or after the J&J jab, which should pass before you are "fully vaccinated"? Mine did not, and the tech who stuck me didn't either.

For those who don't know, the times are:

Pfizer = 14 days after boost shot.
Moderna = 14 days after boost shot.
J&J = 15 to 29 days.

So if we set aside the clotting thing and just look at the practical side, the J&J vaccine takes longer to set in and has a lower effectiveness rate, right?

As someone who hasn't been vaccinated, it would appear that, given a choice, the mRNA vaccines would be the better bet right now?

[Spott]

I don't believe we're going to wear masks forever simply because I don't think people will actually do it.

I do think if the government had their way, we'd wear them for much, much longer than needed.

As for what has made me so cynical about the government, do you really need to ask?

All I have to do is look and my paystub every two weeks since forever to see how the government isn’t to be trusted. Gotta love filing single and zero all year long even though I’m married, and the IRS still wants more at the end of the year.

[Rainbarrel]

"Be a sheep," "sleepery slope." In other words I got nothing.

[Donger]

So if we set aside the clotting thing and just look at the practical side, the J&J vaccine takes longer to set in and has a lower effectiveness rate, right?

As someone who hasn't been vaccinated, it would appear that, given a choice, the mRNA vaccines would be the better bet right now?

The J&J efficacy is about 70% last I saw, compared to 90 to 95% for the Pfizer and Moderna. But the latter are two jabs (prime and boost) 21 and 28 days apart respectively. So, add that up, and you are "fully" vaccinated with J&J sooner, but it is less effective.

Yes, I would say that the mRNA vaccines are better based on that data. I was glad when I figured out that I was getting Pfizer. It was my preferred choice.

[TwistedChief]

So if we set aside the clotting thing and just look at the practical side, the J&J vaccine takes longer to set in and has a lower effectiveness rate, right?

As someone who hasn't been vaccinated, it would appear that, given a choice, the mRNA vaccines would be the better bet right now?

Yes, but the advantage of the JNJ vaccine is obviously that it's only one shot. And for much of the world, it's much easier logistically to store, etc.

[htismaqe]

The J&J efficacy is about 70% last I saw, compared to 90 to 95% for the Pfizer and Moderna. But the latter are two jabs (prime and boost) 21 and 28 days apart respectively. So, add that up, and you are "fully" vaccinated with J&J sooner, but it is less effective.

Yes, I would say that the mRNA va1ccines are better based on that data. I was glad when I figured out that I was getting Pfizer. It was my favored choice.

Thanks.

[Bearcat]

"Be a sheep," "sleepery slope." In other words I got nothing.

Sheeperly slope might be the most CP phrase ever.

Sounds like a great DC mult.

[Fish]

Is it because it is not FDA approved? If it is I would urge people to look at what they have approved and then double check that opinion again. Or even things that are not regulated by the FDA that you put in your body. Do you drink bottled water?

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Interesting note about the FDA approval so many anti-vaxxers are complaining about...

The only thing still preventing these vaccine manufacturers from getting full FDA approval is the amount of time required after the vaccine has been officially administered to the public. FDA requires 6 months of vaccine application data before full approval. Moderna and Pfizer have already said they now have over 6 months of data, so their approval is imminent.

What that means though, is that once they have full FDA approval, private companies, and public entities like universities and schools, can then legally require vaccination. The anti-vaxxers' heads are going to explode once that defense gets reversed.

[Donger]

Thanks.

Sure. They really should be telling people this information. I don't understand why they are not. For people getting the mRNA vaccines, my understanding is that you get protection pretty soon after the prime shot and that it's around 80% efficacy, which is amazing really, but you don't get the 90 to 95% unless you take the boost shot, AND until 14 days after the boost shot.

[htismaqe]

Interesting note about the FDA approval so many anti-vaxxers are complaining about...

The only thing still preventing these vaccine manufacturers from getting full FDA approval is the amount of time required after the vaccine has been officially administered to the public. FDA requires 6 months of vaccine application data before full approval. Moderna and Pfizer have already said they now have over 6 months of data, so their approval is imminent.

What that means though, is that once they have full FDA approval, private companies, and public entities like universities and schools, can then legally require vaccination. The anti-vaxxers' heads are going to explode once that defense gets reversed.

I brought this up in another thread as someone who has a healthy amount of disdain and distrust of the US federal government:

I can't understand the "FDA approval" thing being a logical reason for objection when inherently one doesn't trust the government. The CDC has been spreading misinformation about COVID for over a year but the reason I won't take the vaccine is because the FDA hasn't said it's safe? It just doesn't make sense to me, again as someone who is a skeptic. I either trust the government (both the FDA AND the CDC) or I don't.

[Donger]

I brought this up in another thread as someone who has a healthy amount of disdain and distrust of the US federal government:

I can't understand the "FDA approval" thing being a logical reason for objection when inherently one doesn't trust the government. The CDC has been spreading misinformation about COVID for over a year but the reason I won't take the vaccine is because the FDA hasn't said it's safe? It just doesn't make sense to me, again as someone who is a skeptic. I either trust the government (both the FDA AND the CDC) or I don't.

You can't please some people. They will shift to some other objection.

[Bearcat]

I brought this up in another thread as someone who has a healthy amount of disdain and distrust of the US federal government:

I can't understand the "FDA approval" thing being a logical reason for objection when inherently one doesn't trust the government. The CDC has been spreading misinformation about COVID for over a year but the reason I won't take the vaccine is because the FDA hasn't said it's safe? It just doesn't make sense to me, again as someone who is a skeptic. I either trust the government (both the FDA AND the CDC) or I don't.

Exactly. It's a side effect of letting the media dictate your opinion, there's far less thinking involved.

[stevieray]

What that means though, is that once they have full FDA approval, private companies, and public entities like universities and schools, can then legally require vaccination. The anti-vaxxers' heads are going to explode once that defense gets reversed.

Won't effect my family.

I feel sorry for those who it will though.

[rabblerouser]

Who determines what’s bona fide?

https://lovingflr.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/O-BROTHER-WHERE-ARE-THOU-RELATIONSHIP.jpg

[Pitt Gorilla]

I think he's saying ego is more important than getting back to normal. :shrug:

Kind of like a kid I know who repeatedly does whatever the hell they want and is constantly making life worse and worse.... and the choices are to "be a sheep" as immature adults would say and get back to some sort of normalcy as quickly as possible, or I guess "have no fear" and deal with the the shitty reality even longer.

Doing things you don't agree with so you can have the things you want or want to avoid in the long run kind of sucks sometimes, but that's the free choice you're given in society... hell, if I let my ego get in the way enough, I'd drive a lot faster and never do taxes again, consequences be damned.

I think you've hit the nail on the head. The "I don't want to" and "I don't have to" and "You can't make me" folks are largely those who have always got their way and remain in that state of arrested development. They're children who don't believe they should have to do something unpleasant so that they can, one day, do something more pleasant.

[BIG_DADDY]

What state? Part of department of education guidelines is following mandates by department of health.

Sent from my SM-G973U1 using Tapatalk

California, vaccination central.

[Fish]

I brought this up in another thread as someone who has a healthy amount of disdain and distrust of the US federal government:

I can't understand the "FDA approval" thing being a logical reason for objection when inherently one doesn't trust the government. The CDC has been spreading misinformation about COVID for over a year but the reason I won't take the vaccine is because the FDA hasn't said it's safe? It just doesn't make sense to me, again as someone who is a skeptic. I either trust the government (both the FDA AND the CDC) or I don't.

I definitely see many of the same people claiming the CDC is not trustworthy, arguing against the vaccine because of lack of FDA approval. It's weird.

I would only note that while the CDC message has been a real shitshow throughout this, it's just as much due to lack of information as it is misinformation. They were really unprepared for anything like this. What we know today is so vastly different than what we knew 1 year ago. This novel virus clearly works very differently than other existing ones. They had to make some really difficult decisions regarding a virus that didn't exist only a few months prior.

[Bearcat]

I think you've hit the nail on the head. The "I don't want to" and "I don't have to" and "You can't make me" folks are largely those who have always got their way and remain in that state of arrested development. They're children who don't believe they should have to do something unpleasant so that they can, one day, do something more pleasant.

Yeah, and you'll drive yourself crazy trying to wrap logic around it.

The only thing we know for sure is if we do nothing and no one got vaccinated, everything would remain as-is or worse.

And while nothing else is guaranteed, I'll take my chances to do the one thing that might get us out of the mandates and mostly empty stadiums, etc; no matter how low risk or "unafraid" I am.

[Donger]

Pfizer CEO says third Covid vaccine dose likely needed within 12 months

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/15/pfizer-ceo-says-third-covid-vaccine-dose-likely-needed-within-12-months.html

[Chief Roundup]

California, vaccination central.

California is the most liberal state in the country. They will let anyone out of anything.

[BlackOp]

I think you've hit the nail on the head. The "I don't want to" and "I don't have to" and "You can't make me" folks are largely those who have always got their way and remain in that state of arrested development. They're children who don't believe they should have to do something unpleasant so that they can, one day, do something more pleasant.

Yeah...only "spoiled children" are hesitant to take a rushed vaccine that has no long range testing.

There could be people developing immune deficiencies, food allergies and many other genetic artifacts...you're rolling the dice.

If you do develop side effects....you're on your own. There is no avenue for financial or legal restitution...even it it kills/maims you or a family member.

So essentially, you will be forced to take an unvetted solution to earn a living. If not by direct force than by institutional coercion. If it kills you...tough shit. If it physically prevents you from being able to earn a living...say a year down the road.....tough shit.

Pharma already got their billions...and a get out of jail free card.

****ing spoiled brats...

[BIG_DADDY]

California is the most liberal state in the country. They will let anyone out of anything.

Obviously you don't know a damn thing about what you're talking about. California and other liberal states have led the charge on vaccination mandates. I just moved to Texas where there are exemptions.

[Donger]

Politics, fellas...

[Bearcat]

I definitely see many of the same people claiming the CDC is not trustworthy, arguing against the vaccine because of lack of FDA approval. It's weird.

I would only note that while the CDC message has been a real shitshow throughout this, it's just as much due to lack of information as it is misinformation. They were really unprepared for anything like this. What we know today is so vastly different than what we knew 1 year ago. This novel virus clearly works very differently than other existing ones. They had to make some really difficult decisions regarding a virus that didn't exist only a few months prior.

Yep, it's been bad and a no-win situation for them. Anything they say will just get miscommunicated anyway, so the biggest thing is to be concise, yet they've done the opposite of that.

They act like they're chatting with a bartender about it, when they should be providing facts and a brief reasoning.

[Chief Roundup]

Obviously you don't know a damn thing about what you're talking about. California and other liberal states have led the charge on vaccination mandates. I just moved to Texas where there are exemptions.

If there is a state that will let you out of getting a vaccine it will be a state like California where they will accept any answer as to not offend someone.
You are coming across as someone that doesn't have a "qualifying" reason and is not liking what is going on and is crying wolf, I should say a little baby.

[BIG_DADDY]

If there is a state that will let you out of getting a vaccine it will be a state like California where they will accept any answer as to not offend someone.
You are coming across as someone that doesn't have a "qualifying" reason and is not liking what is going on and is crying wolf, I should say a little baby.

LMAO OK. Wrong about everything so sling mud. You know what's best for everyone I'm sure even though you couldn't be more wrong on legislation.

[ModSocks]

If there is a state that will let you out of getting a vaccine it will be a state like California where they will accept any answer as to not offend someone.
You are coming across as someone that doesn't have a "qualifying" reason and is not liking what is going on and is crying wolf, I should say a little baby.

You don't know what you're talking about. Just stop. Your ignorant generalities couldn't be further from the truth and you're doing a fine job of making an ass out of yourself.

[Donger]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/14/health/breakthrough-infections-covid-vaccines-cdc/index.html

(CNN)About 5,800 people who have been vaccinated against coronavirus have become infected anyway, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention tells CNN.

Some became seriously ill and 74 people died, the CDC said. It said 396 -- 7% -- of those who got infected after they were vaccinated required hospitalization.


This is the CDC's first public accounting of breakthrough cases, and the agency is searching for patterns based on patient age and gender, location, type of vaccine, variants and other factors.

"So far, about 5,800 breakthrough cases have been reported to CDC. To date, no unexpected patterns have been identified in case demographics or vaccine characteristics," the CDC told CNN via email.

About 77 million people in the US are fully vaccinated against coronavirus, according to a CNN analysis of CDC data. The CDC's reports on breakthrough cases will lag day-to-day reports of vaccines given, so many, if not most, of those breakthrough cases will have happened weeks ago.

Nonetheless, the total represents a very small percentage of those who have been vaccinated.

Breakthrough cases are expected. The vaccines are not 100% effective in preventing infections and as tens of millions of people are vaccinated, more and more such cases will be reported.

Pfizer/BioNTech's vaccine was 95% effective in preventing symptomatic disease in clinical trials, and earlier this month the companies said real-life data in the US shows the vaccine is more than 91% effective against disease with any symptoms for six months. Moderna's vaccine was 94% effective in preventing symptomatic illness in trials, and 90% effective in real life use. Johnson & Johnson's vaccine was 66% overall globally in trials, and 72% effective at preventing disease in the US.

CDC will be looking for clues about who is most prone to become infected despite having been vaccinated.

"Vaccine breakthrough infections were reported among all people of all ages eligible for vaccination. However, a little over 40% of the infections were in people 60 or more years of age," the CDC said.

Most, 65%, were female and 29% of the so-called breakthrough infections were asymptomatic. "CDC is monitoring reported cases for clustering by patient demographics, geographic location, time since vaccination, vaccine type or lot number, and SARS-CoV-2 lineage," the CDC said.

Plus, samples from cases will be tested to see how many are caused by variants and if so, which ones.

"CDC has developed a national COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough database where state health department investigators can currently enter, store, and manage data for cases in their jurisdiction," the CDC said.

"Vaccine breakthrough infections make up a small percentage of people who are fully vaccinated. CDC recommends that all eligible people get a COVID-19 vaccine as soon as one is available to them. CDC also continues to recommend people who have been fully vaccinated should keep taking precautions in public places, like wearing a mask, staying at least six feet apart from others, avoiding crowds and poorly ventilated spaces, and washing their hands often."

Outside experts agreed.

The likelihood of these "very rare" infections depends on how much virus is circulating within a community, Dr. Kawsar Talaat, an infectious disease physician and assistant professor at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, told CNN.

"That's the whole point of getting to herd immunity," Talaat said. "Because once we get to a point where enough people in the community are vaccinated, then if somebody develops Covid in that community, the people around them are protected and it's much harder for that person to spread the virus to somebody else, and therefore the transmission stops."

Less transmission means fewer breakthrough cases, said Dr. Carlos del Rio, executive associate dean at Emory University School of Medicine.

"There is currently a lot of transmission in many parts of the country. Vaccines will help decrease that," del Rio said. "Get vaccinated as soon as you can and help control this pandemic."

[tk13]

There is a reality that we don't know how long vaccines will last and what the results of the vaccine look like after a year. It is true.

What blows a hole in that argument... is that we don't know the same for COVID. We don't really know the long term effects on your organs or circulatory system. We've pretty clearly seen that COVID can cause heart, lung, kidney damage, that is not a debatable fact. And there is no idea how that's going to affect your long term health because it hasn't been around long enough. It's not like the only options are get a vaccine or go through the rest of your life healthy. There is a third option that cause do a lot of damage, even in younger healthy people. So this really isn't a simple conversation.

[htismaqe]

Yep, it's been bad and a no-win situation for them. Anything they say will just get miscommunicated anyway, so the biggest thing is to be concise, yet they've done the opposite of that.

They act like they're chatting with a bartender about it, when they should be providing facts and a brief reasoning.

Having dealt now with government bureaucracies for just over half a decade, I can say that the biggest problem is that the "average" American doesn't understand "facts and brief reasoning" while the average government bureaucrat, rightly or wrongly, thinks the average American is unworthy of intellectual honesty due to their stupidity.

[Bearcat]

Having dealt now with government bureaucracies for just over half a decade, I can say that the biggest problem is that the "average" American doesn't understand "facts and brief reasoning" while the average government bureaucrat, rightly or wrongly, thinks the average American is unworthy of intellectual honesty due to their stupidity.

They're basically right... and throw in the media, youtube/blogger doctors, etc; and it's a complete shitshow.

As a mod team, we used to waste hours and hours explaining mod actions over and over.... and over.... and over. And at some point we realized we're not responsible for reading comprehension or understanding beyond stating what happened and the decisions made.

Covid is far more complicated, of course, but just made me think of that lesson learned. Your messaging will rarely be as crystal clear as you think it is, but the same is true every time you clarify a point.... so, say what you need, click 'send and let it go.... there's no fixing anything after that.

(but, I'm still not great at it)

[Bob Dole]

Obviously you don't know a damn thing about what you're talking about. California and other liberal states have led the charge on vaccination mandates. I just moved to Texas where there are exemptions.

My exemption is “I’m not taking that shit. “

[teedubya]

Everyone. Please get 2-5 vaccinations to be EXTRA sure you don't get sick. Or, I don't know, build up your immunity system with Vitamin D3, Zinc, or magnesium. But that's not talked about, because it doesn't put money in Big Pharma coffers. So, never mind.

Get all the vaccines, you guys!!

[teedubya]

And please, by all means, post your vaccine card on social media so that way we can see your sweet virtue signal.

[Donger]

Everyone. Please get 2-5 vaccinations to be EXTRA sure you don't get sick. Or, I don't know, build up your immunity system with Vitamin D3, Zinc, or magnesium. But that's not talked about, because it doesn't put money in Big Pharma coffers. So, never mind.

Get all the vaccines, you guys!!

I thought FUKUSHIMA was going to kill us all?

[TwistedChief]

And please, by all means, post your vaccine card on social media so that way we can see your sweet virtue signal.

I might imagine most people post it on social media because it represents overcoming a pandemic that’s killed hundreds of thousands of people in this country and persevering through a difficult year. Only the most insecure read it as an affront and a signal of sweet, sweet virtue.

You do you though!

[Sure-Oz]

I'm feeling great. Funniest thing about this is I was talking my ass off in my sleep about nonsense, mostly weird scenarios that ranged in time from 20 years ago to yesterday.



My poor wife smacked me 3 times in the middle of the night to remind me "to shut up, you're not at work, you're sleeping."


I had the next day off to recover. She worked for 12 hours on 2 hours of sleep.Lol nice! Glad to hear it.

[Donger]

I might imagine most people post it on social media because it represents overcoming a pandemic that’s killed hundreds of thousands of people in this country and persevering through a difficult year. Only the most insecure read it as an affront and a signal of sweet, sweet virtue.

You do you though!

You are dealing with someone who believes that HAARP has been used to create earthquakes.

And that Japan was going to fall into the Pacific.

That Fukushima was going to be many times worse than Chernobyl.

And so on. Just an FYI.

[J Diddy]

I don't believe we're going to wear masks forever simply because I don't think people will actually do it.

I do think if the government had their way, we'd wear them for much, much longer than needed.

As for what has made me so cynical about the government, do you really need to ask?


Bad experience on The Masked Singer?

[J Diddy]

My exemption is “I’m not taking that shit. “


Hell, if it works for you, ride that pony.



I expected you to be half dead when this site went live.

[Chief Roundup]

LMAO OK. Wrong about everything so sling mud. You know what's best for everyone I'm sure even though you couldn't be more wrong on legislation.

You don't know what you're talking about. Just stop. Your ignorant generalities couldn't be further from the truth and you're doing a fine job of making an ass out of yourself.

Ok so then my girlfriend's mother whom she talks to every night on the Facebook portal on the tv is lying to her and me that people are using their sexuality or gender identity as a reason to not get the vaccine and it is being allowed. She is the administrative RN at Saint Francis Memorial. I have a hard time thinking she is lying to us. With the stuff that you two are known for on this forum. Well it is an easy choice as to whom I am going to believe.

[stevieray]

killed hundreds of thousands!!!!

...of OVERWEIGHT people. But we don't fat shame gluttony anymore, so we just pimp their deaths instead.

Meanwhile, they are still the most vulnerable, and MickeyD's drive thru remains full.

[RealSNR]

Yeah...only "spoiled children" are hesitant to take a rushed vaccine that has no long range testing.

There could be people developing immune deficiencies, food allergies and many other genetic artifacts...you're rolling the dice.

If you do develop side effects....you're on your own. There is no avenue for financial or legal restitution...even it it kills/maims you or a family member.

So essentially, you will be forced to take an unvetted solution to earn a living. If not by direct force than by institutional coercion. If it kills you...tough shit. If it physically prevents you from being able to earn a living...say a year down the road.....tough shit.

Pharma already got their billions...and a get out of jail free card.

****ing spoiled brats...

You act like some dipshit in a lab mixed a bunch of different kinds of bleach and other cleaners in a test tube and said, "This should do the trick!"

[Bearcat]

killed hundreds of thousands!!!!

...of OVERWEIGHT people. But we don't fat shame gluttony anymore, so we just pimp their deaths instead.

Meanwhile, they are still the most vulnerable, and MickeyD's drive thru remains full.

You've met me several times, do you think I'm overweight?

Well, BMI does, which what is being used in those studies... hell, I'm only ~20 pounds from being obese. ROFLLMAO

[BleedingRed]

You've met me several times, do you think I'm overweight?

Well, BMI does, which what is being used in those studies... hell, I'm only ~20 pounds from being obese. ROFLLMAO

80% of deaths are obese

[Bearcat]

80% of deaths are obese

50% obese... I believe the ~80% number is overweight and obese combined.

Look at these fat fucks with BMIs over 27!! LMAO



https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/09/14/23/2C50D24900000578-0-image-a-25_1442268676010.jpg

[Bearcat]

Funny how people won't believe a word of things they don't want to hear about.... but, from the exact same sources that are full of shit, will believe something else word for word because it fits their world view.

I mean... obviously unhealthy people are more likely to be unhealthy, and Americans are known to be unhealthy.

BMI is also well known to be complete bullshit.

[stevieray]

You've met me several times, do you think I'm overweight?

Well, BMI does, which what is being used in those studies... hell, I'm only ~20 pounds from being obese. ROFLLMAO

Doesn't change the point, brother.

[Bearcat]

Doesn't change the point, brother.

Be sure to pick up your free underlying health condition once you've been vaccinated! :D

In case you needed another reason to get your COVID-19 vaccination, Krispy Kreme is sweetening the deal — it's giving free doughnuts to anyone with proof of vaccination, all year long.

Starting Monday, any customer with a valid COVID-19 vaccination card will receive a free Original Glazed doughnut at participating locations nationwide. The iconic doughnut shop specifies that any guests who have received at least one of the two shots of the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine, or one shot of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine qualify for the promotion.

All you need to show is your vaccination card to redeem your doughnut — a vaccine sticker is not valid.

And it's not just a one-time offer. Vaccinated individuals can go back every single day and continue getting free doughnuts through all of 2021.

[Coach]

Be sure to pick up your free underlying health condition once you've been vaccinated! :D

Hello, heart attack!!!!!!

[Imon Yourside]

.11 % scared of Covid..STILL.

[stevieray]

Be sure to pick up your free underlying health condition once you've been vaccinated! :D

LMAO

and there it is!

[BIG_DADDY]

My exemption is “I’m not taking that shit. “

NICE!!!

[BlackOp]

You act like some dipshit in a lab mixed a bunch of different kinds of bleach and other cleaners in a test tube and said, "This should do the trick!"

No..I sound like someone who has actually sat through dozens of confidential Pharma meetings.. for both AstraZeneca and Pfizer. I free-lanced for a company that handled both of their global event accounts. They view the general public as "consumers"...and it's not in their business model to permanently heal their customer base. I've heard them say that..in not so different words. It's the culture...

The FDA and Big Pharma are a revolving door for executives...and there was a "Gold Rush" worth $10's of billions to get there first. Corners were cut...without a doubt.

They alter the living shit out of their test results...remember Pfizer and Chantix? How they rushed that shit to market...the only difference is this time is they wont face the largest class-action suit in history...like they did with that crap. Its free license to produce a rushed product without liability...and it's worth billions. What could go wrong...

Knowing what I have seen...1st hand...I have zero trust in their integrity..and, frankly, think they are evil at the very top.

Want a vaccine...get one. No one is stopping anyone from it...financial coercion crosses a pretty dark threshold.

[RealSNR]

No..I sound like someone who has actually sat through dozens of confidential Pharma meeting.. for both AstraZeneca and Pfizer. I free-lanced for a company that handled both of their global event accounts. They view the general public as "consumers"...and it's not in their business model to permanently heal their customer base. I've heard them say that..in not so different words. It's the culture...

The FDA and Big Pharma are a revolving door for executives...and there was a "Gold Rush" worth $10's of billions to get there first. Corners were cut...without a doubt.

They alter the living shit out of their test results...remember Pfizer and Chantix? How they rushed that shit to market...the only difference is this time is they wont face the largest class-action suit in history...like they did with that crap. Its free license to produce a rushed product without liability. $$$

Knowing what I have seen...1st hand...I have zero trust in their integrity..and, frankly, think they are evil at the very top.

Want a vaccine...get one. No one is stopping anyone from it...financial coercion crosses a pretty dark threshold.
These companies could all be run by Jimmy Stewart's Mr. Smith character and you'd still claim dumbshit things like "rushed" and "corners were cut"

Also, you do realize it's not in their business model to "permanently heal the customer base" because coming up with a vaccine is completely different from developing boner pills? Right?

[BigRedChief]

No..I sound like someone who has actually sat through dozens of confidential Pharma meetings.. for both AstraZeneca and Pfizer. I free-lanced for a company that handled both of their global event accounts. They view the general public as "consumers"...and it's not in their business model to permanently heal their customer base. I've heard them say that..in not so different words. It's the culture...

The FDA and Big Pharma are a revolving door for executives...and there was a "Gold Rush" worth $10's of billions to get there first. Corners were cut...without a doubt.

They alter the living shit out of their test results...remember Pfizer and Chantix? How they rushed that shit to market...the only difference is this time is they wont face the largest class-action suit in history...like they did with that crap. Its free license to produce a rushed product without liability...and it's worth billions. What could go wrong...

Knowing what I have seen...1st hand...I have zero trust in their integrity..and, frankly, think they are evil at the very top.

Want a vaccine...get one. No one is stopping anyone from it...financial coercion crosses a pretty dark threshold.ive seen behind the curtain too. you could substitute 90% of the Fortune 500 companies names for your “Big Pharma” take. Capitalism is ugly sometimes. The good obviously outweighs the bad but your calling out one part like they are especially bad, is being disingenuous.

[stevieray]

now we're getting somewhere.... it's about money

"because there ain't no money in the cure"

[BlackOp]

These companies could all be run by Jimmy Stewart's Mr. Smith character and you'd still claim dumbshit things like "rushed" and "corners were cut"

Also, you do realize it's not in their business model to "permanently heal the customer base" because coming up with a vaccine is completely different from developing boner pills? Right?

Believe what you want...it's not my job to convince of you anything. I'm only passing on what I've actually witnessed...and I didnt even touch on some of it.

You implied that I thought they were making the drug out of a bathtub...I countered with that I know WAY more about how they internally operate than you do.

If you need to feel "right"...go ahead.

[Bearcat]

What's the final numbers on the Chantix thing? I vaguely remember reading about it... just browsed an article that mentioned 78 deaths in the first couple years with 3.5 million prescriptions, which would put it at about 1 in every 50,000.

I assume it got a lot worse than that? I saw another article about "~3000 lawsuits", but it didn't give much info on scope.

[BlackOp]

but your calling out one part like they are especially bad, is being disingenuous.


No..they are much, MUCH worse as they exploit the sick and vulnerable.

[BlackOp]

What's the final numbers on the Chantix thing? I vaguely remember reading about it... just browsed an article that mentioned 78 deaths in the first couple years with 3.5 million prescriptions, which would put it at about 1 in every 50,000.

I assume it got a lot worse than that? I saw another article about "~3000 lawsuits", but it didn't give much info on scope.


Pfizer settles 2,000-plus Chantix suits, takes $273M charge...that was 8 years ago.

https://www.fiercepharma.com/sales-and-marketing/pfizer-settles-2-000-plus-chantix-suits-takes-273m-charge