Originally Posted by GoForIt (Post 17290677)

Loaded? The Bucs were 7-9 before Brady arrived and had not been to the playoffs since 2008 ... they were also the losingest franchise in NFL history. Most people laughed at Brady for going there and pairing up with Arians who is a clown.

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 17290710)

They were 7-9 because they had a weak QB who threw 30 INTs. There was plenty of talent before he got there and they added a lot more. Loaded team. I remember pundits saying that only a handful of KC players would start for Tampa. And that was a pretty damn good Chiefs team, minus the makeshift OL in the playoffs.

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 17290705)

Imagine if he didn’t get every call in every big game.

Hard to imagine, I know.

Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush (Post 17290696)

Brady is the most accomplished and had the most longevity, but IMO he wasn't the best QB in the NFL at any given time with the possible exception of 2011.

Originally Posted by GoForIt (Post 17290722)

LOL. 2007? 16-0 and 50 TDS. 2010 - first unanimous MVP ... 2021 - led the league in yards, TDs and completions at age 44 ...

But I won't argue 2011 either ... LOL

Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush (Post 17290744)

My mistake, I was thinking of his 2007 season, not 2011...when he was lobbing TD passes to Moss.

Robert Kraft is the real GOAT. Made nice with Goodell, and made legends out of a coach and a QB who would've both been scrubs at best in any other situation.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17290706)

Eh.



Brady developed from a game manager to the 'GOAT' under BB. Say what you want about Belichick, but that deserves mentioning. Half of BB's Super Bowls (still more than Andy has) came with Brady being along for the ride. Hell, some of the later era ones did as well. It was BBs defense that were primarily responsible for what, 4 of those 6?



I don't think Reid wins 6 rings with Brady over that same period of time. And why does Walsh get more credit for 3 rings with Montana than BB gets for 6 rings with Brady? That doesn't make a ton of sense to me.



Nah - this is still Belichick, IMO. I just don't think you can argue with the resume. As to the end game - well, everything ends badly or else it wouldn't end. Not a lot of guys get to walk away on their own terms - that doesn't discount what they did prior to that.



If Andy can get to 4 rings and probably 300 career wins - I think we can talk then. But until then, you can't discount the gap in resumes.

Originally Posted by GoForIt (Post 17290749)

Oh boy. You really don't know Robert Kraft well, do you?

Originally Posted by CapsLockKey (Post 17290753)

BB is more accomplished but he also has several cheating controversies on his resume tied to some of those rings. Right now I say BB over Reid unless he wins a couple more super bowls and catches up to him in career wins. The key differences between the two are defensive vs offensive coach and success of each coaching tree. Andy's tree has had way more success but both are innovative and continue to adapt on the side of the ball they are responsible for. Can always count on NE having a good defense and Eagles/Chiefs have a good offense regardless of the player talent.

It's hard to not say Bill Walsh other than longevity as he changed the game with offensive concepts still used today that wins championships.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17290706)

Eh.

Brady developed from a game manager to the 'GOAT' under BB. Say what you want about Belichick, but that deserves mentioning. Half of BB's Super Bowls (still more than Andy has) came with Brady being along for the ride. Hell, some of the later era ones did as well. It was BBs defense that were primarily responsible for what, 4 of those 6?

I don't think Reid wins 6 rings with Brady over that same period of time. And why does Walsh get more credit for 3 rings with Montana than BB gets for 6 rings with Brady? That doesn't make a ton of sense to me.

Nah - this is still Belichick, IMO. I just don't think you can argue with the resume. As to the end game - well, everything ends badly or else it wouldn't end. Not a lot of guys get to walk away on their own terms - that doesn't discount what they did prior to that.

If Andy can get to 4 rings and probably 300 career wins - I think we can talk then. But until then, you can't discount the gap in resumes.

Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush (Post 17290762)

I know he can pay for handies from trafficked women on video and suffer zero consequences. Do you know him well?

Originally Posted by GoForIt (Post 17290721)

LOL. Salty much?

You were gifted the one seed last year ...

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17290772)

I could be wrong, but I believe it's always given to the team with the best record in the conference.

Originally Posted by GoForIt (Post 17290677)

Loaded? The Bucs were 7-9 before Brady arrived and had not been to the playoffs since 2008 ... they were also the losingest franchise in NFL history. Most people laughed at Brady for going there and pairing up with Arians who is a clown.

Originally Posted by GoForIt (Post 17290721)

LOL. Salty much?

You were gifted the one seed last year ...