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KevB 04-22-2005 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by eazyb81
I want a player who a great playmaker and is known as the best tackler in this draft.....not a guy who moves well but goes for ankle tackles. DJ goes sideline to sideline well, but has horrible tackling technique, not exactly the kind of guy we need.
Davis is a great tackler as a safety, but how will he hold up playing OLB at 230lbs.? I'm certainly not against taking the guy...I think he could be a great player. Also, while DJ isn't as physical as some would like, he's not a terrible tackler. The guy was a tackle machine at Texas, and he is a playmaker with his speed and instincts.

NaptownChief 04-22-2005 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by CanadaKC
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Most overrated defensive player that would make a lot of sense for the Chiefs to bungle the pick on: 
Marcus Spears...


there it is...the kiss of death...

:reaper:

I truly fear that name being called in the 15 spot tomorrow...Spears isn't horrible, just a solid player that doesn't make big plays...Would be a solid pick for late 2nd, to early 3rd but a terrible pick in the middle of the 1st round IMO....Watched him play several times after hearing people talk him up in the 3 or 4 games I watched he never came close to making anything happen...He didn't get killed or anything but just very average. You don't want to spend a high 1st round pick on a guy that couldn't even dominate college O lineman.

htismaqe 04-22-2005 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by NaptownChief
Johnson is taking a lot of crap in the media the passed few weeks over not being a good tackler and not taking on blockers...So it is certainly possible. Even after the Surtain trade I think they should still draft defense but now they can take best defensive player available. I would rank them like this:

1) Thomas Davis
2) Carlos Rogers
3) Derrick Johnson
4) Antrel Rolle
5) DeMarcus Ware
6) Shawn Merriman
7) Matt Roth

They come away with any of those guys, especially the top 4 they will be doing well IMHO.

Most overrated defensive player that would make a lot of sense for the Chiefs to bungle the pick on:

Marcus Spears
I can't believe how much we agree on this stuff. I'm not high on Merriman, though, just because I don't think he fits our defense. He's a good player though.

And I'd add Erasmus James there next to Spears. :D

NaptownChief 04-22-2005 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by KevB
Davis is a great tackler as a safety, but how will he hold up playing OLB at 230lbs.? I'm certainly not against taking the guy...I think he could be a great player. Also, while DJ isn't as physical as some would like, he's not a terrible tackler. The guy was a tackle machine at Texas, and he is a playmaker with his speed and instincts.

He played LB at UGA for a year or two before moving to Safety so he isn't going to be starting from scratch by any means...He is a nasty player and would translate well at either position IMO...Can't have too many of those types.

KevB 04-22-2005 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by NaptownChief
I truly fear that name being called in the 15 spot tomorrow...Spears isn't horrible, just a solid player that doesn't make big plays...Would be a solid pick for late 2nd, to early 3rd but a terrible pick in the middle of the 1st round IMO....Watched him play several times after hearing people talk him up in the 3 or 4 games I watched he never came close to making anything happen...He didn't get killed or anything but just very average. You don't want to spend a high 1st round pick on a guy that couldn't even dominate college O lineman.
I've heard the Chiefs front office state repeatedly they want an "impact" player at 15. As you said, Spears is solid, but not what I'd call an impact player. That's what I'm hanging my hat on, hoping I don't hear, "with the 15th pick, the Chiefs select Marcus Spears".

We should, however, be concerned if we trade back into the late teens/early twenties, because that very well could be Spears territory.

NaptownChief 04-22-2005 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by rufusmaqe

And I'd add Erasmus James there next to Spears. :D

Amazing....I really contemplated for a while as to whether I would add James to that vastly overrated list...Gawd, being a Big 10 guy like you, I watched him play several games and you want to talk about sloppy looking...James takes that bill easy. Watch James play about two games and then go watch Roth play the same position and you will swear Matt Roth must be Superman if you believe all the hype about James.

KevB 04-22-2005 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by NaptownChief
He played LB at UGA for a year or two before moving to Safety so he isn't going to be starting from scratch by any means...He is a nasty player and would translate well at either position IMO...Can't have too many of those types.
Can't argue with any of that. Like I said, I certainly wouldn't be disappointed if the Chiefs selected the guy. I remember thinking this college football season while watching UGA that it would be mighty fine watching him roam the middle for the Chiefs, taking guy's heads off the way Woods used to do.

eazyb81 04-22-2005 05:23 PM
Thomas Davis is the definition of an impact player. Read up on some of his bios if you haven't, the kid a playmaker and a nasty defender. We will be sorry if we pass on him just because of the little "S" by his name.

NaptownChief 04-22-2005 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by KevB
I've heard the Chiefs front office state repeatedly they want an "impact" player at 15. As you said, Spears is solid, but not what I'd call an impact player. That's what I'm hanging my hat on, hoping I don't hear, "with the 15th pick, the Chiefs select Marcus Spears".

We should, however, be concerned if we trade back into the late teens/early twenties, because that very well could be Spears territory.

Well the scary part is what Carl Peterson thinks is an impact player and what truly is an impact player is light years apart....And if Titus is watching, yes after 15 years of watching Peterson play the role of GM, I could do the job better. :p

htismaqe 04-22-2005 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by NaptownChief
Amazing....I really contemplated for a while as to whether I would add James to that vastly overrated list...Gawd, being a Big 10 guy like you, I watched him play several games and you want to talk about sloppy looking...James takes that bill easy. Watch James play about two games and then go watch Roth play the same position and you will swear Matt Roth must be Superman if you believe all the hype about James.
Exactly.

And the difference between the two? Roth's EFFORT.

Skip Towne 04-22-2005 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by HolmeZz
Not all that unrealistic. I think if Johnson falls past Dallas, he very well could be ours.
I thought Dallas picked at #20.

CanadaKC 04-22-2005 05:29 PM
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Well the scary part is what Carl Peterson thinks is an impact player and what truly is an impact player is light years apart....And if Titus is watching, yes after 15 years of watching Peterson play the role of GM, I could do the job better
...based on Carl's history...that theory scares the hell out of me tomorrow too.

Frankie 04-22-2005 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 1adam1238
Even if he is available at 15, no guarantee we would take him either.
I obviously am in a great minority here. But I'm not that excited about DJ.

Hammock Parties 04-22-2005 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Skip Towne
I thought Dallas picked at #20.
They have two no. 1's.

Calcountry 04-22-2005 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by gochiefs
I've been mocked out for a ****ing month.
Patience young Padowan, be mindful of where you're at. Something else to watch, soon you will have.


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