My mock with Johnson to us at 15

KevB · 04-22-2005, 04:44 PM

49ers - Alex Smith, Ultimately, they take the best player on their board

Dolphins - Ronnie Brown; They try to trade down...no takers

Vikings (from Browns) - Braylon Edwards; They give #7, their 2nd and next year's 2nd to get the best WR in the draft to replace Moss. Browns are willing to take less than "chart" value because they don't have a clue who to take at #3

Bears - Cedric Benson

Bucs - Caddy Williams

Titans - Pac Man Jones; I think they take Jones and his return ability

Browns - Aaron Rodgers; QBOTF, and QBs don't fall, despite all the speculation. Remember when we thought we might have a shot at Joey Heisman? He didn't fall either.

Cardinals - Antrel Rolle; giddy that Rolle fell to them

Skins - Carlos Rogers; replaces Smoot

Lions - Shawne Merriman; pass rushers are arguably the most coveted asset in a draft outside of QB

Cowboys - DeMarcus Ware; see explanation above

Chargers - Mike Williams; more weapons for Brees and LT

Texans - Alex Barron; more protection for David Carr, Brown's stock is going up with the belief he can play LT

Panthers - Troy Williamson; replaces Moose

Chiefs - Derrick Johnson; Party in the streets of KC

HolmeZz · 04-22-2005, 04:58 PM

Not all that unrealistic. I think if Johnson falls past Dallas, he very well could be ours.

|Zach| · 04-22-2005, 05:00 PM

Ok I am ready for this draft to happen. I am mocked out.

Eleazar · 04-22-2005, 05:00 PM

I think this scenario is about as likely as the 9ers winning the super bowl next year, but I'd sure like it.

Wile_E_Coyote · 04-22-2005, 05:02 PM

I don't follow the draft threads all that much. Has the question been asked: is Johnson Gun's type of player?

Hammock Parties · 04-22-2005, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ZachKC

Ok I am ready for this draft to happen. I am mocked out.

I've been mocked out for a ****ing month.

KevB · 04-22-2005, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Wile_E_Coyote

I don't follow the draft threads all that much. Has the question been asked: is Johnson Gun's type of player?

I think that's a great question. It's hard to say, really. The knock on him is he runs around blocks and isn't very physical, so that doesn't sound like a Gun type of player. On the other hand, Gun said he wanted to add explosiveness to the D, and DJ does that. I think with our need at OLB, it would take about 5 seconds to run his name to the podium if he's there.

eazyb81 · 04-22-2005, 05:07 PM

I could see DJ falling to 14, but Carolina papers have already reported that John Fox told DJ that they guarantee they will draft him if he falls to 14. Their current WLB is Mark Fields, who is getting old and had cancer a year or two ago. No way DJ falls to us, and I would rather have Thomas Davis anyways.

KevB · 04-22-2005, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ZachKC

Ok I am ready for this draft to happen. I am mocked out.

I am/was in the same boat until I knew we had Surtain in the fold. That opens some things back up for the Chiefs IMO. Plus, I think the info. that comes out within 24 hours of the draft tends to have some merit, so a mock is a little easier to craft.

Outside of that....if you don't want to read more mocks, why the heck did you open the thread?

NaptownChief · 04-22-2005, 05:08 PM

Johnson is taking a lot of crap in the media the passed few weeks over not being a good tackler and not taking on blockers...So it is certainly possible. Even after the Surtain trade I think they should still draft defense but now they can take best defensive player available. I would rank them like this:

1) Thomas Davis
2) Carlos Rogers
3) Derrick Johnson
4) Antrel Rolle
5) DeMarcus Ware
6) Shawn Merriman
7) Matt Roth

They come away with any of those guys, especially the top 4 they will be doing well IMHO.

Most overrated defensive player that would make a lot of sense for the Chiefs to bungle the pick on:

Marcus Spears

KevB · 04-22-2005, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

I could see DJ falling to 14, but Carolina papers have already reported that John Fox told DJ that they guarantee they will draft him if he falls to 14. Their current WLB is Mark Fields, who is getting old and had cancer a year or two ago. No way DJ falls to us, and I would rather have Thomas Davis anyways.

You'd rather have a player who will have to move positions as your 1st round "impact player"? [playing devil's advocate]

CanadaKC · 04-22-2005, 05:09 PM

We'll know for sure after we see what Cleveland, Houston, and Detroit do. If they all pass on him...I'm certain he'll be there. Merriman or Ware looks like a no-brainer to the Cowboys. Cleveland can't pass up Braylon Edwards IMO...and Detroit needs a CB or a OT first....but a Julian Peterson LB clone may be too much for Mariucci to pass up...especially since Mariucci coached Peterson...and wants a similiar player.

eazyb81 · 04-22-2005, 05:11 PM

I want a player who a great playmaker and is known as the best tackler in this draft.....not a guy who moves well but goes for ankle tackles. DJ goes sideline to sideline well, but has horrible tackling technique, not exactly the kind of guy we need.

CanadaKC · 04-22-2005, 05:12 PM

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Most overrated defensive player that would make a lot of sense for the Chiefs to bungle the pick on:

Marcus Spears...

there it is...the kiss of death...

1adam1238 · 04-22-2005, 05:16 PM

Even if he is available at 15, no guarantee we would take him either.

04-22-2005, 04:44 PM
KevB Agree to Disagree Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The State of Euphoria Casino cash: $10026612	My mock with Johnson to us at 15 49ers - Alex Smith, Ultimately, they take the best player on their board Dolphins - Ronnie Brown; They try to trade down...no takers Vikings (from Browns) - Braylon Edwards; They give #7, their 2nd and next year's 2nd to get the best WR in the draft to replace Moss. Browns are willing to take less than "chart" value because they don't have a clue who to take at #3 Bears - Cedric Benson Bucs - Caddy Williams Titans - Pac Man Jones; I think they take Jones and his return ability Browns - Aaron Rodgers; QBOTF, and QBs don't fall, despite all the speculation. Remember when we thought we might have a shot at Joey Heisman? He didn't fall either. Cardinals - Antrel Rolle; giddy that Rolle fell to them Skins - Carlos Rogers; replaces Smoot Lions - Shawne Merriman; pass rushers are arguably the most coveted asset in a draft outside of QB Cowboys - DeMarcus Ware; see explanation above Chargers - Mike Williams; more weapons for Brees and LT Texans - Alex Barron; more protection for David Carr, Brown's stock is going up with the belief he can play LT Panthers - Troy Williamson; replaces Moose Chiefs - Derrick Johnson; Party in the streets of KC
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04-22-2005, 04:58 PM	#2
HolmeZz i guess its bittersweet poetry Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: NeW HaVeN, CT Casino cash: $10004900	Not all that unrealistic. I think if Johnson falls past Dallas, he very well could be ours.
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Eleazar Beyond the Rapids Join Date: May 2003 Location: Langley, VA Casino cash: $-370000	I think this scenario is about as likely as the 9ers winning the super bowl next year, but I'd sure like it.
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Wile_E_Coyote avatar down for remodel Join Date: Jul 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	I don't follow the draft threads all that much. Has the question been asked: is Johnson Gun's type of player?
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04-22-2005, 05:07 PM	#8
eazyb81 The Illuminati Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: the road less traveled Casino cash: $9984900	I could see DJ falling to 14, but Carolina papers have already reported that John Fox told DJ that they guarantee they will draft him if he falls to 14. Their current WLB is Mark Fields, who is getting old and had cancer a year or two ago. No way DJ falls to us, and I would rather have Thomas Davis anyways.
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\|Zach\| For The Glory Of The City Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $3016768	Ok I am ready for this draft to happen. I am mocked out.
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04-22-2005, 05:08 PM	#10
NaptownChief Football Pimp Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Indianapolis,IN Casino cash: $9974900	Johnson is taking a lot of crap in the media the passed few weeks over not being a good tackler and not taking on blockers...So it is certainly possible. Even after the Surtain trade I think they should still draft defense but now they can take best defensive player available. I would rank them like this: 1) Thomas Davis 2) Carlos Rogers 3) Derrick Johnson 4) Antrel Rolle 5) DeMarcus Ware 6) Shawn Merriman 7) Matt Roth They come away with any of those guys, especially the top 4 they will be doing well IMHO. Most overrated defensive player that would make a lot of sense for the Chiefs to bungle the pick on: Marcus Spears __________________ "We weren't worth a damn," the Kansas City Chiefs head coach said, shaking his head. "I'm not worth a damn. No one's worth a damn..." Former President of the Eric Downing Fan Club and Current President of the Kris"Secret Weapon"Wilson Fan Club
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04-22-2005, 05:09 PM	#12
CanadaKC Lord of the SB Rings Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Canada Casino cash: $5958668	We'll know for sure after we see what Cleveland, Houston, and Detroit do. If they all pass on him...I'm certain he'll be there. Merriman or Ware looks like a no-brainer to the Cowboys. Cleveland can't pass up Braylon Edwards IMO...and Detroit needs a CB or a OT first....but a Julian Peterson LB clone may be too much for Mariucci to pass up...especially since Mariucci coached Peterson...and wants a similiar player.
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04-22-2005, 05:11 PM	#13
eazyb81 The Illuminati Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: the road less traveled Casino cash: $9984900	I want a player who a great playmaker and is known as the best tackler in this draft.....not a guy who moves well but goes for ankle tackles. DJ goes sideline to sideline well, but has horrible tackling technique, not exactly the kind of guy we need.
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04-22-2005, 05:12 PM	#14
CanadaKC Lord of the SB Rings Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Canada Casino cash: $5958668	PHP Code: `Most overrated defensive player that would make a lot of sense for the Chiefs to bungle the pick on:` Marcus Spears... there it is...the kiss of death...
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1adam1238 Knob Noster Alum Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Dayton, Nevada Casino cash: $8918155	Even if he is available at 15, no guarantee we would take him either.
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