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Mr. Flopnuts 04-24-2010 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6708054)
Then I assume you're unhappy with Carr and Flowers? Because, he's the same size as those guys.

If you're upset they didn't draft a "big" CB, the kind that Gunther preferred, I'd get that.

But if you're upset they drafted the most dynamic returner in the country that also doubles as a damn good CB, I'd offer that your anger is misguided.
Carr is 6' tall, and Flowers is the same size but his rating coming out of college was higher than Arenas.

I would've just rather gone in a different direction. Charles can return kicks. McCluster can return kicks. We have genuine needs that we could've filled rather than drafting another nickel back and our 3rd kick returner.

the Talking Can 04-24-2010 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6708062)
Nickel CBs are extremely important in any defense, with offenses moving to 3 to 5 receiver sets. Washington was a horrendous pick last year. He's not the answer. If Arenas is a solid nickel back, it's an important need at some point. There's no way in ****ing hell you can beat a team like New England or Indy in the future playoffs when they have slot receivers that stomp all over Donald Washington all game long


Charlie Weis runs a ton of 2-TE sets and values TEs quite a bit. And he likes TEs with the versatility to block and receive, so he can be deceptive in his sets.


Not drafting a Nose Tackle surprises me. But again, you draft the guy you think is BPA. You don't draft a guy because he's there. A lot of scouts seemed to really dislike Cody. You have guys like Sergio Kindle who dropped b/c of concerns about microfractures in his leg. And you have no idea what these coaches value. Charlie Weis builds his entire offense around versatility. Go ahead and look up any site about how he runs his offense. When I heard we hired Weis, I knew Sproles was about as dangerous of a weapon they could find and I think there's definitely potential for McCluster to play a similar role. If he's returning kicks, lining up on 3rd downs, lining up on 4-5 receiver sets, and getting a carry or two, the guy's going to be a full-time player playing specialized roles.
you don't draft a nickle cb in the 2nd round of s draft that loaded with talent when your entire lb core sucks ass and you don't have a NT...

it's that simple

the rest is just lame rationalizing

we choked on a dick in the 2nd round....meanwhile the Ravens, who know something about 3-4 defense took kindle and cody and laughed all the way home

OleMissCub 04-24-2010 12:24 AM
so I'm new to the Chiefs and aren't really aware of your depth at RB. I know of Charles obviously, but don't know about any other guys back there (well, Thomas Jones of course). However, I'm curious as to why they wouldn't just try and use McCluster in the backfield (he could run out of the slot as well at times). I know with the Saints we are constantly using Pierre Thomas and Reggie Bush back there, often at the same time.

Rausch 04-24-2010 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6708070)
And as for the Barber comparison, he did coach him AND saw Arenas play in high school in Tampa. You can take that as a negative if you'd like but I'd prefer to go the opposite direction until proven otherwise.
I have clearly woken up in bizarro world or in the middle of some Vanilla Sky bad dream.

TECH SUPPORT!1!:cuss:

Mecca 04-24-2010 12:25 AM
I hope all our CB's and Berry have fun tackling because we're gonna get ripped on running plays.

chiefzilla1501 04-24-2010 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6708056)
Ask the Ole Miss fan who's sucking him off how many times McCluster lined up in the slot and ran a route.

Then come back and tell me the kid should walk right in, at the position known for being the hardest to adjust to from college to the pros - when he's never played it - and "be fine."
The slot is not nearly as difficult as playing an x or a y.

Nickel backs typically play a little bit off, so there isn't nearly the importance of getting off bumps. That's why slot receivers tend to be smaller. And a lot of them will line up based on mismatches. There's something to be said for a guy in your backfield who can motion to a slot, based on the matchup.

The Chiefs say he'll be a receiver, but I'd be shocked if that was the case. It's hard to put a label on it. He's going to be on the field quite a bit and he's going to play whatever position on the field Weis thinks is appropriate for a given situation.

OnTheWarpath15 04-24-2010 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6708073)
Carr is 6' tall, and Flowers is the same size but his rating coming out of college was higher than Arenas.

I would've just rather gone in a different direction. Charles can return kicks. McCluster can return kicks. We have genuine needs that we could've filled rather than drafting another nickel back and our 3rd kick returner.
We should just back down, praise every move Pioli makes, no matter how foolish, and just accept the fact that we are going to draft a nickle CB, a KR and a TE every year.

I'm dumbfounded as to how people can defend using high picks on positions we used draft picks on just last year.

Reaper16 04-24-2010 12:27 AM
Welp, if I've learned anything from day 2 its that a 2nd round pick doesn't have the same expectations associated with it that it used to.

kcpasco 04-24-2010 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by OleMissCUb (Post 6708075)
so I'm new to the Chiefs and aren't really aware of your depth at RB. I know of Charles obviously, but don't know about any other guys back there (well, Thomas Jones of course). However, I'm curious as to why they wouldn't just try and use McCluster in the backfield (he could run out of the slot as well at times). I know with the Saints we are constantly using Pierre Thomas and Reggie Bush back there, often at the same time.
because people want Cassel to have to throw the ball 50 yards so we can laugh at him

Epic Fail 007 04-24-2010 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6705064)
Philly was going to take him with the following pick from what I heard.
thats what i heard also

KCrockaholic 04-24-2010 12:28 AM
He would have been a sweet fit with Philly. I'm glad we got him instead.

OleMissCub 04-24-2010 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by kcpasco (Post 6708086)
because people want Cassel to have to throw the ball 50 yards so we can laugh at him
lol

I take it you guys aren't too pleased with your "franchise" quarterback.

chiefzilla1501 04-24-2010 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by OleMissCUb (Post 6708075)
so I'm new to the Chiefs and aren't really aware of your depth at RB. I know of Charles obviously, but don't know about any other guys back there (well, Thomas Jones of course). However, I'm curious as to why they wouldn't just try and use McCluster in the backfield (he could run out of the slot as well at times). I know with the Saints we are constantly using Pierre Thomas and Reggie Bush back there, often at the same time.
I think people are overreacting because they hear he's going to be moved to receiver.

I'm sure with Thomas Jones, he's "moving to receiver" in the short-term while Jones/Charles split carries. I'm sure in the long-term, the vision is an LT/Sproles tandem, which I'm fine with.

I imagine he'll play a lot more slot this season than he's used to. But in the end, guarantee that in 2-3 years especially after they bulk him up a bit, he's basically a second back for Charles.

|Zach| 04-24-2010 12:30 AM
The draft doesn't matter...how well the team plays doesn't matter.

It is just information for people to adjust too. People are locked in, and that is ok.

All we heard was how Pioli would be to ****ing stupid...didn't know about value...and would go with the safe pick and not big a real game changer like Claus or Berry.

Meanwhile the ND pick just tumbles. Tumbles into ****ing oblivion. 32 teams pass him AT LEAST once. At least 8 with pressing QB needs passed him at least once. His own coach passed him twice.

Then...Pioli drafts Berry.

We got one of the guys you wanted and the whole NFL made your need to get him at 6 look clownish.

You guys would have picked him at 6.

Yet everyone else is always reeruned...I think this is all hilarious. I have enjoyed this process today.

Meanwhile it is obvious it doesn't actually matter what happens, it is just information to adjust too...we get one of the guys you folks wanted and this is the thread that gets made.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=227147

He was too stupid to pick Berry and now the FG posts move.

Just a small example. Maybe...just maybe things are not as good as you think they are or as bad as you think they are.

Mecca 04-24-2010 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 6708085)
Welp, if I've learned anything from day 2 its that a 2nd round pick doesn't have the same expectations associated with it that it used to.
I know how dare we expect more than 1 good pick.


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