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Saccopoo 04-14-2009 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyV13 (Post 5668581)
I agree with Mecca on this one. Calvin Johnson is the sort of WR i've never seen. I mean 239 AND runs under 4.4? That's sick.

He's also got rare agility for a guy his size. To put this in perspective, CJ is 239 and Shannon Sharpe went 228.

Add to that, considering that drafting Calvin Johnson essentially allowed Detroit to trade Roy Williams for a 1st, 3rd and 5th round pick, and Calvin Johnson is already the best "drafted" wide receiver of recent history.

He's also the reason why Detroit takes Stafford. You don't piss away talent like that by not having a decent quarterback throwing to him. That is, unless people in Detroit think Drew Stanton can be that guy, and if that's the case, the Chiefs just got a bit more leverage with their #3 pick in a potential trade situation.

Although, as a side note, Detroit drafting Mike Williams was one of the dumbest things I've ever seen a team do in the draft.

Chiefnj2 04-14-2009 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyV13 (Post 5668581)
I agree with Mecca on this one. Calvin Johnson is the sort of WR i've never seen. I mean 239 AND runs under 4.4? That's sick.

He's also got rare agility for a guy his size. To put this in perspective, CJ is 239 and Shannon Sharpe went 228.

I was surprised to see Mecca say you take Johnson over Thomas because he has been a big proponent of various "positional value" arguments. Obviously a LOT is worth more than a WR to 99% of people.

Buehler445 04-14-2009 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5668671)
I was surprised to see Mecca say you take Johnson over Thomas because he has been a big proponent of various "positional value" arguments. Obviously a LOT is worth more than a WR to 99% of people.

Johnson was an amazing prospect. Go back and look at his numbers. And those were with REGGIE ****ING BALL throwing to him
I saw him run a 5 and out and Ball thew a terrible ball low and WAYYY behind him. He was able to stop, change his momentum, dive the OTHER way (back inside) and get the ball off of the ground. That was amazing. I've never seen anything like that.
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B_Ambuehl 04-14-2009 02:19 PM

You guys are missing the scout's point. Shitty teams build their team from the outside in. Good teams build their club from the inside out. He acknowledged Calvin Johnson was the best player in the draft, but for a team like detroit he was a luxury pick....especially when you already had a pro bowl level receiver in Roy Williams. That team had far too many holes...A WR can't do anythign for you unless you have an O-line and QB. As it is he's been there for 2 years and hasn't helped them win any games. If he were that good shouldn't they be able to win 1 freaking game? With Joe Thomas the running game immediately gets better, the QB gets better and the receivers get better. With Pat Willis the defense as a whole would be a lot better. In fact, the front office and coach that drafted him (Johnson) have now been run out of town, proving his point exactly. By the time that ball club gets to a level where CJ can actually help them his contract will be up.


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