4 NFL Scouts Rate The Players

Chiefnj2 · 04-13-2009, 09:22 AM

http://spartannation.com/?p=6083

Four of my friends who are NFL scouts (or personnel people) agreed to give me their top twenty players at this point of the off-season process leading up to the draft. They represent four different teams.

I will keep each of their identities confidential as you can imagine that their respective teams wouldn’t appreciate their participation in this endeavor. All I asked from them was that they give me their personal top twenty and why they like them. I weighed all four lists and put them in the appropriate order.

This list is not the order that I think they will be drafted, it is simply four men who get paid to do this for a living and who they think are the best twenty. I will also post early in the week something that we have never had before. We will have a list of the top three players at all positions other than the special teams.

I will also have them all give me a mock first round draft for each team, as the draft gets closer. Obviously they know other teams better than any of us, so I have asked each for their mock draft and why they think each team does what. As with this list, I will weigh each of their picks and see if there is consensus on what they think. I will (as similar to this list) post at least one of their comments about each pick.

One scout had an interesting take last year that I want to share with all of you about the draft process. He said, “The way we draft is what do we need and who on the board at the time we pick fits a need the best. For example, Calvin Johnson was the best player in the draft on our board last year but had we been Detroit we wouldn’t have taken him. With the huge needs at offensive tackle and middle backer, we would have taken Joe Thomas or Patrick Willis. Both had Pro Bowl seasons. Now some pundits would have said those guys would have been too high of picks for the money (and we would have tried trading down) but would the Lions have been better off with either those two than Calvin? I sure think so. We draft (and have been successful) at picking guys that meet needs with priority given to lineman if we have a need there. I based my list on who best fits needs.”

Here are some interesting stats about the list. All four scouts say that they place a high importance on a pure franchise QB (of which none listed any QB as a top notch franchise pick such as Peyton Manning) and on offensive and defensive lines. Cornerback was also a position of high value. Something I learned was that offensive tackles, defensive tackles, defensive ends and cornerbacks all had a higher point of value (other than a sure fire franchise QB) to all four of our contributors.

Although I may not agree with this list, but over the years we have posted them, they have been extremely accurate and correct. I thank each of the men in advance.

Here is how the top twenty broke down as far as position.

Defensive Line 7
Offensive Line 4
Defensive Back 1
Running Back 1
Line Backer 3
Quarterback 0
Wide Receiver 3
Tight End 1

Click the link to see the top 20 players.

DTLB58 · 04-13-2009, 09:34 AM

A TE at #6?

And ahead of Crabtree, Interesting.

Chiefnj2 · 04-13-2009, 10:04 AM

Lots of guys from the 15-20 range with off-field concerns/risks.

kcbubb · 04-13-2009, 10:12 AM

how do 4 different guys have one list?

philfree · 04-13-2009, 10:16 AM

Thanks Chiefnj, that's the kind of stuff I come to Chiefs Planet for. Makes me wonder if we're are misjudging Orakpo because he plays at Texas. Although it was mentioned I think he just moved up my draft board so to speak.

PhilFree

philfree · 04-13-2009, 10:21 AM

Imagine an NFL scout saying that Curry can play all the LB possition in a 4-3 or a 3-4 defense. I know, I know people on the chiefs planet who live in there parents basements know better.

PhilFree

**dirk digler** · 04-13-2009, 10:26 AM

Interesting information thanks.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-13-2009, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcbubb

how do 4 different guys have one list?

It's a secret.

CoMoChief · 04-13-2009, 10:28 AM

Hmm, wonder why no Qb's were scouted by this goup? Maybe because it's a down year for Qb's?

philfree · 04-13-2009, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CatLuvinChief

Hmm, wonder why no Qb's were scouted by this goup? Maybe because it's a down year for Qb's?

I think they scouted them they just don't see them as top 20 prspects.

Quote:

Most people will notice that there are no QB’s in the top twenty according to these four gentlemen. Last year they only had one listed and he did well: Matt Ryan. I asked them to let me know why none of the QB’s made there top twenty, specifically Stafford and Sanchez and I selected one each for them.

Matt Stafford QB Georgia Scouts Take: “Stafford sure looks the part, but when you watch him he took steps back against better competition. With Ryan last year you saw that the guys around him struggled against better teams, but he didn’t. Stafford takes a step back and although he looks the part, so did Joey Harrington.”

Mark Sanchez QB USC Scouts Take: “We like Sanchez better than Stafford. He has all the tools and although we still don’t see him as a first round guy, we think he has much more upside over Stafford. At SC he was always on the field with superior talent. Can he make the reads and plays when he is on the field with essentially equal talent? Won’t be able to force throws against better competition.”

PhilFree

Chiefnj2 · 04-13-2009, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

It's a secret.

Or he averaged together the lists:

"I weighed all four lists and put them in the appropriate order."

Duck Dog · 04-13-2009, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CatLuvinChief

Hmm, wonder why no Qb's were scouted by this goup? Maybe because it's a down year for Qb's?

They were scouted they just didn't make the top 20.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-13-2009, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philfree

Imagine an NFL scout saying that Curry can play all the LB possition in a 4-3 or a 3-4 defense. I know, I know people on the chiefs planet who live in there parents basements know better.

PhilFree

You're a dick

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-13-2009, 10:52 AM

How can this be possible?

No Clay Mathews, Jr. on the list.

CupidStunt · 04-13-2009, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philfree

Imagine an NFL scout saying that Curry can play all the LB possition in a 4-3 or a 3-4 defense. I know, I know people on the chiefs planet who live in there parents basements know better.

PhilFree

04-13-2009, 09:22 AM
Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6654388	4 NFL Scouts Rate The Players http://spartannation.com/?p=6083 Four of my friends who are NFL scouts (or personnel people) agreed to give me their top twenty players at this point of the off-season process leading up to the draft. They represent four different teams. I will keep each of their identities confidential as you can imagine that their respective teams wouldn’t appreciate their participation in this endeavor. All I asked from them was that they give me their personal top twenty and why they like them. I weighed all four lists and put them in the appropriate order. This list is not the order that I think they will be drafted, it is simply four men who get paid to do this for a living and who they think are the best twenty. I will also post early in the week something that we have never had before. We will have a list of the top three players at all positions other than the special teams. I will also have them all give me a mock first round draft for each team, as the draft gets closer. Obviously they know other teams better than any of us, so I have asked each for their mock draft and why they think each team does what. As with this list, I will weigh each of their picks and see if there is consensus on what they think. I will (as similar to this list) post at least one of their comments about each pick. One scout had an interesting take last year that I want to share with all of you about the draft process. He said, “The way we draft is what do we need and who on the board at the time we pick fits a need the best. For example, Calvin Johnson was the best player in the draft on our board last year but had we been Detroit we wouldn’t have taken him. With the huge needs at offensive tackle and middle backer, we would have taken Joe Thomas or Patrick Willis. Both had Pro Bowl seasons. Now some pundits would have said those guys would have been too high of picks for the money (and we would have tried trading down) but would the Lions have been better off with either those two than Calvin? I sure think so. We draft (and have been successful) at picking guys that meet needs with priority given to lineman if we have a need there. I based my list on who best fits needs.” Here are some interesting stats about the list. All four scouts say that they place a high importance on a pure franchise QB (of which none listed any QB as a top notch franchise pick such as Peyton Manning) and on offensive and defensive lines. Cornerback was also a position of high value. Something I learned was that offensive tackles, defensive tackles, defensive ends and cornerbacks all had a higher point of value (other than a sure fire franchise QB) to all four of our contributors. Although I may not agree with this list, but over the years we have posted them, they have been extremely accurate and correct. I thank each of the men in advance. Here is how the top twenty broke down as far as position. Defensive Line 7 Offensive Line 4 Defensive Back 1 Running Back 1 Line Backer 3 Quarterback 0 Wide Receiver 3 Tight End 1 Click the link to see the top 20 players.
Posts: 22,541

04-13-2009, 09:34 AM	#2
DTLB58 DT CARD COLLECTOR Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: ManCave Casino cash: $10005837	A TE at #6? And ahead of Crabtree, Interesting. __________________ 667 Different DT cards and counting
Posts: 7,574

04-13-2009, 10:04 AM	#3
Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6654388	Lots of guys from the 15-20 range with off-field concerns/risks. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
Posts: 22,541

04-13-2009, 10:12 AM	#4
kcbubb Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $4986719	how do 4 different guys have one list?
Posts: 2,558

04-13-2009, 10:16 AM	#5
philfree Indian Twitter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Free Agency Casino cash: $-2223802	Thanks Chiefnj, that's the kind of stuff I come to Chiefs Planet for. Makes me wonder if we're are misjudging Orakpo because he plays at Texas. Although it was mentioned I think he just moved up my draft board so to speak. PhilFree __________________ [/SIGPIC]
Posts: 16,155

04-13-2009, 10:21 AM	#6
philfree Indian Twitter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Free Agency Casino cash: $-2223802	Imagine an NFL scout saying that Curry can play all the LB possition in a 4-3 or a 3-4 defense. I know, I know people on the chiefs planet who live in there parents basements know better. PhilFree __________________ [/SIGPIC]
Posts: 16,155

04-13-2009, 10:26 AM	#7
dirk digler Please squeeze Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Clinton, MO Casino cash: $114644	Interesting information thanks.
Posts: 67,118

04-13-2009, 10:28 AM	#9
CoMoChief Mahomes Dynasty Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $7672254	Hmm, wonder why no Qb's were scouted by this goup? Maybe because it's a down year for Qb's?
Posts: 39,245

04-13-2009, 10:52 AM	#14
DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	How can this be possible? No Clay Mathews, Jr. on the list.
Posts: 88,960