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beach tribe 12-15-2009 08:13 AM

I'm joining htismaqe.
This place is nothing but a hate farm.

Chiefnj2 12-15-2009 08:21 AM

Pioli didn't know what he had or didn't have on the roster and who could play and not play the schemes he and Haley were installing.

He used this past year to pretty much see how many of the existing players they could keep. He probably reasoned why spend big money on free agents when someone on the roster can do the job. I'd imagine Clark felt that way too.

jjchieffan 12-15-2009 08:35 AM

I was young, so I have a hard time remembering exactly, but I believe that the hated CP did a much better job of turning this franchise around from year one. I know that Marty came in and won immediately, so why couldn't Scott and Todd? I must say that I am very disappointed in the progress so far. Not as disappointed as my Dad, who has wanted Haley fired since game 3, but nonetheless, I believe that we should expect more than what we got from this team this year.

burt 12-15-2009 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 6348374)
I'm joining htismaqe.
This place is nothing but a hate farm.

see: http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...29#post6345429

OnTheWarpath15 12-15-2009 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6348382)
Pioli didn't know what he had or didn't have on the roster and who could play and not play the schemes he and Haley were installing.

He used this past year to pretty much see how many of the existing players they could keep. He probably reasoned why spend big money on free agents when someone on the roster can do the job. I'd imagine Clark felt that way too.

So again, that precludes him from acquiring talented players?

Chiefnj2 12-15-2009 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6348403)
So again, that precludes him from acquiring talented players?

It might. They spent big money on Dorsey. Don't you think the owner wanted to try him out in the new system rather than immediately bringing in someone else? In some cases (Hali and Dorsey) it may have worked, in others (McBride, Tyler) it didn't.

OnTheWarpath15 12-15-2009 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6348441)
It might. They spent big money on Dorsey. Don't you think the owner wanted to try him out in the new system rather than immediately bringing in someone else? In some cases (Hali and Dorsey) it may have worked, in others (McBride, Tyler) it didn't.

Who were we going to "try out" on the OL?

At WR?

And this isn't an excuse for getting one impact player - a ****ing kicker - in the draft.

notorious 12-15-2009 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by morphius (Post 6348333)
Maybe you could explain how he was going to replace a full scouting staff before a draft, since most scouts contracts don't run out until after the draft. So he couldn't go out and hire people from other teams, and you can't hire people off the street because how many people off the street spend the year flying around to all the different teams and watching tape on players.

I can't explain it or say if it's true or not. It just blows my mind.

chiefzilla1501 12-15-2009 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 6348359)
Pioli didn't hire Ray Farmer he was already here and kept his same position. Just want to clarify that.

Thanks for clarifying. I thought he was hired in 2009.

chiefzilla1501 12-15-2009 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 6348327)
I find it hard to believe that a new GM would hinge the beginning of his career on a bunch of talent scouts that were on a team full of failure.

If he did, then it speaks volumes on Pioli's decision making ability.

No, it is standard practice for almost any organization. You can't afford to fire all your scouts and Personnel guys right in the heart of draft season. Everybody knew that Kuharich, Chuck Cook, and the entire scouting organization was pretty much conducting their last draft ever for the Chiefs. And to nobody's surprise, almost all of them were fired very soon after the draft.

We'll see. I really like the drafts Phil Emery put together in Atlanta and I'd at least like to see what he's capable of. This upcoming draft is going to be a shitload more reflective of what we can expect the next 5 years rather than 2009.

Mojo Jojo 12-15-2009 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 6348327)
I find it hard to believe that a new GM would hinge the beginning of his career on a bunch of talent scouts that were on a team full of failure.

If he did, then it speaks volumes on Pioli's decision making ability.

If you knew much about the business of football...which your post proves you don't...NFL scouts and most other player personnel contracts run from draft to draft usually an April 30/ May 1 date.

Mojo Jojo 12-15-2009 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6348382)
Pioli didn't know what he had or didn't have on the roster and who could play and not play the schemes he and Haley were installing.

He used this past year to pretty much see how many of the existing players they could keep. He probably reasoned why spend big money on free agents when someone on the roster can do the job. I'd imagine Clark felt that way too.


If Pioli was what they say he is...he knew what he had. If he didn't then he had three months at One Arrowhead Drive to figure it out prior to the draft and during free agency.

Pioli's sole job at the Pats was to evaluate talent. He knew who the free agents were going to be...he knew who was in the draft long before he came to KC. Did he just get stupid? He changed over half the roster and continues to make changes. Best bet he is in way over his head.

Hammock Parties 12-15-2009 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mojo Jojo (Post 6350355)
He knew who was in the draft long before he came to KC. Did he just get stupid? He changed over half the roster and continues to make changes. Best bet he is in way over his head.

Occam's razor.

And there was proof of his inept talent evaluation AT NEW ENGLAND, too.

Pioli Zombie 12-15-2009 08:26 PM

Nobody is as disappointed as Chris Berman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hid-n...eature=related

chiefzilla1501 12-15-2009 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mojo Jojo (Post 6350355)
If Pioli was what they say he is...he knew what he had. If he didn't then he had three months at One Arrowhead Drive to figure it out prior to the draft and during free agency.

Pioli's sole job at the Pats was to evaluate talent. He knew who the free agents were going to be...he knew who was in the draft long before he came to KC. Did he just get stupid? He changed over half the roster and continues to make changes. Best bet he is in way over his head.

Yeah, but people here act like when Pioli came into Kansas City, he was 100% devoted to the draft. They forget that he's also the Head of Operations walking into a new team that he knows close to nothing about. Not just w/Chiefs players, but also the operational and coaching staff. You also have to be the face of the organization and do a lot of administrative bullshit. You also have to talk to a lot of people, figure out who's in who's out, build a culture that fits what you want to do, develop a strategy, and then get everyone to buy in and act on your strategic vision. Difficult to bring in players if you're not sure what your 5-year vision for the team is.

I've done a lot of work in change management from organizations changing radically different cultures. It is difficult, difficult stuff. And most of that difficulty comes from old employees who refuse to buy in to what you're selling. Especially true when your former boss worked there for 20+ years.

Most of that change is probably over. Like I said, in 2010 there is no excuse. And you can't give a free pass for 2009. I just think it's a really, really tough expectation to expect a GM to turn around a 20-year culture in just a few months.


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