Belichick has 6 Super Bowl rings. Only one other coach has more than 3.

And if Belichick decides to continue coaching, he will probably retire as the all-time leader in wins. He needs ~25 more wins.

Calling him "overrated" would entail saying he isn't one of the greatest head coaches of all time and there's no argument that can be made for that. It's patently absurd to say he isn't, and it's hard to claim he isn't #1 when he outranks (or likely will outrank) everyone else in wins, titles, etc.

You can try to downgrade him by saying "but he had the best QB ever", but that doesn't wash because no one has ever won more than 4 with the same QB. He exceeds everyone else there too.

And 3 of the top 4 SB winning QBs are Terry Bradshaw and Troy Aikman, it's clearly not just about who your QB is.

Brady OWNS everything, not just rings. He has had THREE first ballot hall of game careers.


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I agree with the premise of this thread. Bill is not the GOAT HC. He is a clown without Brady as his GOAT QB.

My vote would be for Joe Gibbs, winning three SBs with very average QBs in the span of 6 years.

If you want to argue that point then cool. The rings one doesn’t work for me.

Part of me wants to say Walsh, part of me wants to disqualify everyone who coached prior to the salary cap and free agency.

Back when Brady was chasing Montana, it wasn't just about rings then either IMO. The rings are eye popping because Brady almost doubled Montana BUT Brady had a MUCH better career statically then Montana, a higher win percentage both regular season and post-season and also played longer by 8 seasons.

I get this. The cap/FA is so MUCH harder to win over a longer period of time. The Niners were basically the Yankees with how much money they spend vs all other teams.

Loaded? The Bucs were 7-9 before Brady arrived and had not been to the playoffs since 2008 ... they were also the losingest franchise in NFL history. Most people laughed at Brady for going there and pairing up with Arians who is a clown.

Old geezer sighting; I would go:

1. George Halas
2. Don Shula
3. Vince Lombardi

:p

It is much more likely Brady gets to 6 rings without Bill than Bill even sniffs a SB without Brady. Imagine if Brady had been paired with Tom Coughlin or Mike Shanahan or even Cowher or your guy Reid?

Brady is the most accomplished and had the most longevity, but IMO he wasn't the best QB in the NFL at any given time with the possible exception of 2011.

Brady doesn't win a Superbowl there without that defensive line. That and our group of 3rd string offensive lineman won that game. Not to mention Brady led the league in DPI calls

Have they all been rampant cheaters?

People act like their sophisticated system of cheating didn’t make a difference. It did. Btw, after they were busted for Spygate, they didn’t win a single playoff game in the next three seasons.

Imagine if he didn’t get every call in every big game.

Hard to imagine, I know.

Eh.

Brady developed from a game manager to the 'GOAT' under BB. Say what you want about Belichick, but that deserves mentioning. Half of BB's Super Bowls (still more than Andy has) came with Brady being along for the ride. Hell, some of the later era ones did as well. It was BBs defense that were primarily responsible for what, 4 of those 6?

I don't think Reid wins 6 rings with Brady over that same period of time. And why does Walsh get more credit for 3 rings with Montana than BB gets for 6 rings with Brady? That doesn't make a ton of sense to me.

Nah - this is still Belichick, IMO. I just don't think you can argue with the resume. As to the end game - well, everything ends badly or else it wouldn't end. Not a lot of guys get to walk away on their own terms - that doesn't discount what they did prior to that.

If Andy can get to 4 rings and probably 300 career wins - I think we can talk then. But until then, you can't discount the gap in resumes.