Dorsey sucks
 

Plain and simple.

Another bust of a DT:cuss:

JWhit is right about everything he said about Dorsey. I thought he was supposed to be the centerpiece around the DLine? "Supposively" supposed to be that difference maker?

Yeah:rolleyes:

Not even close.

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****Obligatory*****

I think that if we would get some other players around him, he'd improve. It's too early to call him a bust yet. No one else can even get close to the opposing qb.

what part of it takes more than 10 games to develop a DT haven't you read?

Nothing quite as stupid as throwing a rookie under the bus.

What's truly concerning to me is he's not improving as the year goes on.

I know the curve is big, and he'll likely snap out of it, but this guy was said to be the most NFL ready DT since Sapp. We all bought that hype.

I'm not saying he sucks yet, but he has a long, long way to go.

Sims > Dorsey

Yeah i've heard that numerous times. I dont buy it.

some people are idiots

"Why are you so quick to call the other posters dumbasses, 'Hamas'?"

Your and idiot.

DT is one of the toughest positions for a rookie to come in an dominate.
I'm not at all concerned about Dorsey at this point.

while his footwork and conditioning need some work (off season training and hitting the weights can resolve that) he's doing his job atm and drawing doubleteams. its not his fault our Ends cant beat man coverage. i think just like our passing game last year... people knew we couldnt pass so they stacked 8 or 9 guys in the box to stop the run. this year teams know our ends couldnt sack an old lady crossing the street so they jsut clog the middle and let man on man take care of our rush or.... laugh when our guys WHIFF on tackles.

ROFL

Holy Stupid Comment Batman!!!!

Think of the madness that would have gone on if we picked Derrick Harvey or Gholston at 5 and passed on Dorsey.

Sapp's rookie year stat line was 27 tackles, 3 sacks and 1 int.

Through 11 games Dorsey has 30 tackles, 1 sack and 1 FF.

There's probably a reason Buffalo fired Tim Krumrie...

People talk about Dorsey as if hes some sort of project?

WTF? He is a TOP 5 PICK! Came from a great school with a great program, arguable came out as one of the best defensive players in the country, but he needs time?

yeah i aint buying that. youre either good, and you have it, or you don't.

yeah i also want my chiefs finishing shit so they can a top pick again..Dorsey is an example how finishing sh*t can hurt you.

How have other top 5 DTs done their first year? We need a control group.

That said, as bad as our front four is, there should definitely be concern.

So your saying the facts are a myth. It been proven time after time, that DT arent a big impact in their rookie year, just look at the numbers.

You're a top 5 pick, you should be kicking the sh*t out of ppl

You are a dumb ****ing reerun.

Hes also a DT that usually takes at least three years to live up to they hype... Maybe you need to look at other "great" DTs and see how they did their rookie years, because Dorsey is already ahead of most of them.

You should be our new Defensive Line Coach.

I don't know any top five pick that can manhandle 5-7 NFL blockers all by himself.

No im saying that. im looking at how he is doing this year. He isnt making any progress. Like Badguy said, he isn't improving as the season goes on.

Can you strain your mind a bit and go look at how other highly drafted defensive linemen have performed as rookies? Or is that too difficult? He might be Ryan Sims or he might be Warren Sapp. It's stupid to throw him on the trash heap like you're doing at this point.

Granted stats don't tell the whole story but...

Year One
Sapp 26 Tackles 3 sacks
Haynesworth 30 tackles 1 sack

Dorsey 30 tackles 1 sack with 5 games to go.

Moronic. I guess Warren Sapp, Mario Williams and Albert Haynesworth were all busts after 1 year, right?

OMG! Hes already as good as Haynesworth with five games left! Bust!

I'd be interested to know who the 3 starting DLmen around those two players were as well.

When Buffalo had the early drive in the game when they got down to goalline and we stuffed them the first 3 times - Dorsey and Tank were blowing shit up.

I believe in improvement as the season goes on. Is he showing it this year as the season goes? no.

They drafted him to be the centerpiece of the Dline, and the Dline is the worst Ive seen it. Not only the worst but the possibly the worst ever? That says enough right there.

Seriously, people who don't understand how things in the NFL work shouldn't be aloud to create threads.

We would have about 10 to 15 people making football threads then.

I don't think you're qualified to judge his progress.

It generally takes 3 years for even the best DT's to play to their skill level.

shit, I don't know if its even that high :)

It's too early to call Dorsey a bust, but how many of Dorsey's supporters would still want to pick him if we could go back in time?

If we put Albert and Dorsey on the trading block, I'm fairly confident Albert would fetch more.

No way to tell on Dorsey yet. Rookies have to be given a season to adjust.

It's too early to declare him a bust. It isn't too early to say he sucks right now.

For all who say it takes time,

then how do you explain the play of thigpen? hes a qb..but ive heard qb needs time too...how do you explain Flowers? he's a CB...but yet i hear CBs need time too...how do you explain Jared Allen? when he got playing time early in his career, he was getting sacks and blowing plays up...and became allpro in his 3rd, 4th year.

yeah ok Dorsey is a rookie, but he is getting owned 90% of the time he out there. Not even close to doing well. yeah he showed some flashes of blowing plays up...at the rate he is going, i dont see significant progress...he is at best looking like he could be an average player and thats being nice.

People were saying the same thing about Hali in his rookie year...now what?

Oh yeah give him time he'll be ok

I bet you also wanted to shitcan TonyG back in his rookie year because he had trouble catching the ball and was not all that good of a blocker either, right?

Give the kid time.

He has almost no help on the D-Line so the O-Line is free to focus on him.

He could be triple teamed and we still could sack a QB.

Of course he would.

A franchise LT is the 2nd most important position on the field.

Some say it's the most important...

No I had a lot of faith in Tony. He made progress as the season went on.

Dorsey is also being lined up at NT when hes a UT.

I don't think Dorsey is getting worse, and to me he looks a little better than he did the first game.

dorsey is not getting worse, but he aint getting better either

Whos his Dline coach? Whos his DC? Whos his HC? Who else is on our defense? Is our defense bad or just our ROOKIE DT thats already ahead of most great DT's their rookie year?

It probably takes more than that for any position, but especially where he is playing, with poor DEs. If JA was still here, he may be getting some more help.

This place is amazing.

You know I with the Titans were as smart as you so they would have released that bust Haynesworth after his rookie year, because we probably would have been dumb enough to bring him in.

Dorsey was absolutely the correct pick to make.

Someone will have to remember to bump this thread in a couple years.

:clap: nail on head

Redbull is reaching KCJ level of idiocy.

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To throw Dorsey to the curb already is stupidity.

YES, there are some CB's/QB's/RB's that come into the league and play well immediately, that goes without saying. But DLine is the most unappreciated positions to NFL fans. They do NOT get the credit they deserve. It takes talent, technique, power, agility, and intelligence to play DT and DE's.

Why would an offensive line even worry about double teaming our End's. It's like holding a midget at arm's length. One man at DT is not going to stop several other 300+ lb men. It is a team effort in the trenches, more so than at ANY other point on the field, both offensively and defensively.

Comparing Dorsey in college vs. NFL is also apples to oranges. The men across the line of scrimmage in college are probably working at an car dealership right now. The men he faces now are talented, have their technique down to a science, have NFL caliber coaching, are in peak physical condition, and the invaluable asset of experience vs. those simliar in physical ability.

Dorsey is a 24 yr old rookie, playing one of the most physically demanding sports, who is still developing his technique and honing his skillset. And so far, in his rookie year, has outperformed DT greats.

Oh...and Gunther sucks. :)

Who was Jared Allens Dline coach? bob Karmelowiz...Yeah Bob ****n Karmelowiz

Who was JAs DC? Goonther

Who was JAs HC? And Vermeil the man who knows nothing about defense.

IT'S Dorsey. He justs sucks and is what he is a "non-factor". Chief fans I know its tough to swallow, but he is what he is. It's reality.

I blame the coaching. how ANYBODY can thrive under that level of idiocy (only eclipsed by some of the posters here) is beyond me. how the **** did jared allen do well under this coaching staff? who the **** knows.

http://www.aceonsports.com/uploaded_...rds-759888.jpg

Mmmmm. Fig newtons.

come on man, JA came in as an unknown had 9 sacks BUT ONLY 31 TACKLES, thats really "blowing plays up all over the place" 9 sacks was good but come on

It's easier to come right in and contribute at DE.
DT might be the hardest position on defense to transition into from the college ranks.

well played sir

took JA 3 or 4 years to become AP? then STFU until then

is today reeruned Day?

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Completely Agree.

Too many people are focused on the coaching. That's the problem.

they think everything is coaching. yeah coaching is part of it don't get me wrong. Im not a fan of Krumrie, gunther, and Herm.

Of course, and I heard many times, well Brodie Croyle can't succeed with this coaching staff? Yeah well its him too. He can't stay healthy.

ROFL and i love your new avatar, TTC

"I am reminded of a 2nd round pick Oakland had several ago. He was interviewed about his rookie camp he told the story about going against a aging Art Shell. The first time he got up off the ground with a welt on his cheek. He brought up the welt because it returned through out his career when ever he got hit.

He laughed about how humiliated he was being handled by a great but well past his prime LT. He made very little impact for a couple years, many thought he was a reach when drafted and had written him off by the time he started catching on to the game.

He was not a DT he was DE although he made his name playing up and down the line of scrimmage. The guys name is Howie Long. My point is who knows if Dorsey is a bust, a All Pro, or a Hall of Famer. I do know this nobody has a clue what this kid will amount to after a handful of games."

This was my reply to another thread about Dorsey. It is amazing people are ready to call this guy a bust this early.

We need to get a DT through the draft or free agency next year that is for sure. Dorsey is a rotational player at best :clap:

you are aware you're comparing two different positions, yes? I have to make sure, because you're coming across like a complete moron.

Your schtick is played.

i heart you, demonpenz

Your a ****ing idiot. Do us a favor and kill yourself.

wow..almost simultaneous divergent opinions...

ROFL

I have a lot of respect for Howie and thought he was a great football player.

some guys progress faster, some guys progress slower. i should of said mentioned that in my posts. But, and this is my opinion and were all entitled to having one, I really don't think Dorsey will be a good football player. I dont see it.

The season was FedExed to hell, and people are looking for a target to point the finger to.

HOWIE'S son hasn't had his name called once on SportsCenter this year!!

"oh my god, Chris will never be the player his father was. He must be a bust"

We have a sh*tty defense and people are blaming it on Glenn Dorsey because he was the highest pick.