Am I crazy for not liking the decision to go deep to Hill?
 

I’m on my phone, sorry for the lack of embed [help from a mod would be appreciated], but look at this play design:

https://twitter.com/sethwalder/statu...606545920?s=21

I’m actually not thrilled at that play.

And I think it’s honestly the difference between Mahomes (who’s great) and Brady (who is the greatest).

Brady will take that dump off to Williams 10 times out of 10 until defenses play it honestly. Chew up 7 yards at a time, never take a risk, and control the game. Next time Hill is open, the odds of another defender cheating deep to punish him will be low.

Mahomes is an ambitious predator, always looking for the kill shot. But he did it at the expense of Hill’s health here.

Sometimes the kill shot is there, but the dump off is always there and Brady will always take it. That’s why he’s so consistent in the postseason, where risky behavior can kill you as often as it wins for you.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This play is insane. Patrick Mahomes is moving 5.3 MPH at the time of throw here, per <a href="https://twitter.com/NextGenStats?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NextGenStats</a>.<br><br>Which wouldn&#39;t be that crazy if he weren&#39;t moving 5.3 MPH *to the left* as he threw to the *right*. <a href="https://t.co/sLVnB7cpeC">pic.twitter.com/sLVnB7cpeC</a></p>&mdash; Seth Walder (@SethWalder) <a href="https://twitter.com/SethWalder/status/1470121548606545920?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Nah send it

No. We are a power running team with an elite QB.

That play should have been a run - preferably to one of our slow running backs.

You have to establish the run to open up the deep shots.

****ing whatever dude. That is just ****ing stupid.

It's throws like that which make Mahomes better than Brady.

Those plays open everything else up.

Look at the quick march after Kelce's first reception in traffic busted everything open today.

3 more explosive plays in order and we're in the EZ.

Counterpoint: **** Tom Brady.

The injury thing is just bad hindsight, IMO... it's not like he was throwing a ball over the middle where you could clearly see him hanging out his receiver to get decapitated.

That's an elite, very few people in the world can and will make that throw, kind of throw... and you don't neuter that.

One of Mahomes best throws of his career...but he should have dumped it off for no gain??

I knew someone would complain about Mahomes this week- LOL

:LOL:

Dont ever let people tell you Chiefs fans arent stupid.

We were up big so really don't care. If the game were closer then hell no. That makes it a bad decision and very low completion percentage. Game situation matters on taking chances like that.

Oh dear.

Mods, please delete this thread. It goes against the standards of our community.

And I thought your Marvel takes were bad.

You always take that deep shot if you think you can make the throw. Injury is always a risk. Hill could easily tear his ACL on a jet sweep.

Have you even watched the Chiefs since Mahomes became the starter? Jeeez...you ****ing idiots do not deserve this awesome QB...:spock:

A thread to second guess todays amazing total domination.


What sort of stupid is this shit?

Seriously...some people think of the stupidest shit to be "uncomfortable" with...

You take the good with the bad. Whatever the hell bad is.

You should be marveling over that play.

I've watched years and years and YEARS of ****ing dumpoffs, and checkdowns, and passes parallel to the line.

We have the best quarterback on the planet that can make the most impossible throws, and YOU WANT TO SEE HIM DUMP IT OFF.

Find yourself another quarterback to watch for the next 15 years if that's what you want.

Don't come in here slobbing Bradys knob like you're an adopted son. Just go watch the Bucs and **** off if Bradys play style is what you want to see.

To answer the question, No. You're not crazy.

You're just ****ing stupid.

Wasp is too risky, let's dump it off instead.

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Steve Kerr had a great quote about Steph Curry in a recent article I read that essentially said "Curry throws up shots that coaches are taught to train out of athletes, but with Curry you have to accept that the rules are different for him..and just not accept it, but embrace it".

Patrick is built the same way.

How can you make so much sense here yet so little sense in a Chris Jones evaluation?

You are an enigma, Wallcrawler. And I like it.

Patrick Mahomes as a starter has been to 3 straight AFC title games and back to back superbowls.

Yeah, his risky behavior has really hindered us in the post season during his career.

Awful thread. Mahomes chooses the run and the 1st down in a different game situation and has many times in the past. They were blowing them out at the time, there was nothing wrong with it.

It is amazing how many coaches over the years have ruined athletes because they didn't conform to the average standard.

Heh.

I just said we overpaid for Jones, and would not have martyred myself in the parking lot of Arrowhead if he were traded at the time his deal was up. Nothing more.

When you give one dude enough money to pay 2-3 solid defenders, the guy (in my opinion), better show up and show out every night. 2.7 pressures and all that...miss me.

I'm jaded by the Berry and Houston deals to be sure. I'm glad he's wrecking shit again.

But this Mahomes needs to take what the d gives, stop being a killer out on the field, I just won't ever understand that.

D-Shun is an extreme liberal with extremely conservative football views.

He's over compensating.

A name change is tempting... and not even misDireckshun, but missedDireckshun.

Attention whore thread

I said it's fine because of the game situation but it's not smart to do shit like that in a closer game. It's a very low percentage completion. Mahomes himself has said he did those things too often when he shouldn't have. Lighten up Francis.

Oh for ****s sake....

You're not crazy. You're just being a pretentious douche.

Yes.

That's because Brady isn't even capable of making that throw.

Step away from the computer and have a drink and celebrate KC whipping the shit out of the Raiders.

So Direckshun and Tuckdaddy agree it was dumb. Just need como, JakeF and chiefzilla to come along to prove it was the right move.

He doesn't need to.

All he has to do is throw it in the general direction and a PI flag will appear.

This. So true throughout his career. The no call today sealed the win for him.

:facepalm:

Direck threads giving DeBergs a run for his money

Yes. U are crazy.

Unfortunately, Direckshun, this thread is going to stick with you like an STD.

Even if you treat it thoroughly by apologizing and letting it run its course, you're going to see occasional flare-ups in the future, even if you've allowed enough time to pass and have done your best to live with it in as healthy of a way as possible.

It's okay. We all have scars and infections that pop up from time to time. But just know that you can't just hit these crabs with a little shampoo and have them go away.

Direkshun you ignorant slut....

I think i understand his point. But then I remember why we watch sports and why people pay good money to watch. To see amazing athletes perform at the highest level and hope to see plays that maybe 2-3 people on the planet can make.

Reminds of the the scene in Vision Quest.


https://youtu.be/zzJcAV5xR0U

Long pass plays confuse flatearthers

If this had fallen incomplete, the outrage would have been on par with the shot to Hardman that fell incomplete and Kelce was wide open.

Complete the play, some people still have a stick up their ass about passing up the gimme yardage.

Miss it, and your quarterback is a flash in the pan gimmick whose legitimacy is questioned.

It's hilarious.

It is how most fans are. I have had this debate with Raiders fans. It is not about philosophy for most fans. It is about results. If dink and dunk works, they are happy. If deep passing works, they love it.

Just win and most people are happy.

Obviously, exceptions exist.

I didn't say it was dumb. It was ok to do with the score being what is was.

That decision was fine. There was another, though, where he could have fallen forward for a first down and threw deep to Reek, which resulted in a PI. I'm glad it worked out, but I would have taken the first down in real time.

That was the perfect time for that kind of pass. We were up bigly, he rolled away from pressure and had no one in his face for almost 5 seconds.

Yeah, the idea there was he saw the flag and knew it was holding on the defense so he took the shot. Otherwise, I agree, you run for it there cause he had the 1st down easy.

No

This is an offense that was really struggling with 2nd half scoring

6 vs NYG, 0 vs. GB, 3 vs. Dallas…

Glad to see the offense still being aggressive and looking for opportunities even with a big lead. Very rare from the Reid era Chiefs, but it allows us to bury teams.

Brady throws far more 50/50 balls than Patrick...Of course, he also gets way more DPI on those throws than any QB in NFL history...

Herbert threw some 50/50 balls against Cinci that worked out for him....some could have easily gone the other way but it is what it is.

The fact Patrick took that shot when he did actually felt good. It didn't feel forced or panicked. He had time, he knew he had time and really had 0 to lose on the deal.

I'd rather have a quarterback that doesn't suck face with a 10yo boy even if we never win another Super Bowl.

Wait, so you want Mahomes to not throw the deep ball when it's available because... there's a slight chance the receiver might get hurt?

Am I reading this right?

Man shut the **** up

Yes… You are crazy…

oh, how some chiefs fans crave the days of Alex Smith.

Yes

IIRC, this was a 3rd and long play so this is a little confusing.

You do see #24 lurking there, right? D Will runs like a 4.7.

If Pat dumps that off, Williams might gain 5 yards.

I'm not sure there is another QB that could have done that

This is the moment Kerr learned that. The very moment. It was in Curry's first truly extraordinary year. Watching it live, you went through the same emotions as Kerr, and immediately came to accept that Curry was different.


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For the record, I have thought of this moment many times as we watched Mahomes' ascent.

no it was not dumb. you need to make some of those crazy ass throws once in a while to remind teams that it's still possible. they're a tool for psychological warfare. there's nothing you can do to stop Mahomes. he is not human, he can't be reasoned with or bargained with. he does not feel pity or remorse or fear and he absolutely will not stop, ever.

Has Direckshun even replied to his own thread?

That's always how Deberg does it... post something incredibly stupid and just sit back and watch.

It's actually pretty smart when it comes to being this stupid on purpose, or else you just come off like you're trying way too hard if you keep up the charade by defending yourself over and over.

Kind of hard to pull the Deberg schtick when you've posted similarly stupid shit in the past with complete sincerity and defended the position vehemently.

Also, personal opinion, but the Brady bait was too on the nose. Lost all the subtlety there.

Need a Deberg & Direckshun sub forum that nobody else can see so they can just post their stupid threads in there.

In football you take hits occasionally. It happens.

Brady is the single most overrated player in the history of sports. Always had a great defense when he won.

The play I didn't like was the late Kelce shovel pass. With us up 4 TDs I was hoping we could get some guys out of the game sooner and be less banged up for Thursday night football.

When he went to throw it I was wondering what he was doing going long there, but then saw how wide open Hill was and was just amazed that he threw that ball all the way across the field and laughed and enjoyed it.

Kelce took some hard shots yesterday.

Am I upset that on 3rd and 16 Patrick Mahomes went for the 1st down instead of dumping the ball off for 5 and setting up a punt?

Um...no. Why the hell would I be upset by that?

He made the sort of play that a championship caliber QB makes. This one seems pretty easy.

Amazing how much Direckshun questions the Chiefs and Mahomes.

And no matter how much they clown on him after, he never learns.

There's zero chance Deberg isn't Direckshun's mom

Direkshun, you're trying way too ****ing hard dude. Give it a rest already.

It isn't just Chiefs fans. KC sports fans are just generally stupid. You will see Royals fans post things far more ignorant than this one was.

Reek was wide open. I loved the decision.