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Tribal Warfare 04-10-2007 09:38 AM
The Troubles of Scouting
 
http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW...rock040907.htm

Mr. Laz 04-10-2007 09:53 AM
part of the reason why the Chiefs struggle imo is because Carl puts too much on the coaches.

Just like the article mentions .... coaches have too many "other things" that can influence their perspective on a given player.


Coaches should have input on the player interviews and what type of player is needed for their system. The scouts and personal dept should take over after that.

But imo ... Carl is too afraid to take that responsibility on himself and his scouts so he puts in on the coaches. That way when stuff goes wrong publicly the coaches take the heat ...... then in a couple of years that coach gets fired and Peterson is still safe.

it's why are drafts are weak imo

Frosty 04-10-2007 09:55 AM
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There are other times, personnel executives sometimes find out after the draft, when coaches try to pay back a favor to a coaching buddy in college and will consequently stand on the table for a player his buddy coached, highly recommending him.
Sounds vaguely familiar. :hmmm:

ct 04-10-2007 10:13 AM
great read

ct 04-10-2007 10:35 AM
But but but Herm used to be a scout!

htismaqe 04-10-2007 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Laz
part of the reason why the Chiefs struggle imo is because Carl puts too much on the coaches.

Just like the article mentions .... coaches have too many "other things" that can influence their perspective on a given player.


Coaches should have input on the player interviews and what type of player is needed for their system. The scouts and personal dept should take over after that.

But imo ... Carl is too afraid to take that responsibility on himself and his scouts so he puts in on the coaches. That way when stuff goes wrong publicly the coaches take the heat ...... then in a couple of years that coach gets fired and Peterson is still safe.

it's why are drafts are weak imo
It's why our 1st-day drafts are weak. Our 2nd-day drafts have traditionally been pretty good, for the same reason.

Brock 04-10-2007 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Laz
part of the reason why the Chiefs struggle imo is because Carl puts too much on the coaches.
With Herm on board, good thing, IMO. Clearly it was a bad deal with the previous coaches.

ChiefsCountry 04-10-2007 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Laz
But imo ... Carl is too afraid to take that responsibility on himself and his scouts so he puts in on the coaches. That way when stuff goes wrong publicly the coaches take the heat ...... then in a couple of years that coach gets fired and Peterson is still safe.
When Carl told Vermeil to STFD and picked a player it worked out pretty well for the team.

ct 04-10-2007 03:22 PM
John Bunting is da debil

suds79 04-10-2007 04:25 PM
I'm excited to see what Herm, Carl and the scouts can do.

We know for sure that DV simply could not draft so thank god he's out of the mix.

chief husker 04-10-2007 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by suds79
I'm excited to see what Herm, Carl and the scouts can do.

We know for sure that DV simply could not draft so thank god he's out of the mix.
No shit. Tell me what herm has done wrong. Playoffs. Getting younger. Less complicated. Defense. Bring it on Herminator! (wink and nod to you Husker fans!)

the Talking Can 04-10-2007 05:43 PM
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It was 2001. The Browns were in serious need of a running back. Their leading rusher, Travis Prentice, had rushed for 512 yards the year before, averaging only 3.0 yards per carry. Butch Davis had just taken over, having replaced the expansion franchise’s previous head coach, Chris Palmer. Palmer had fielded a 5-27 record during his two years at the helm, when the Browns came back into existence after the former Art Modell-led Cleveland Browns franchise had packed up and moved to Baltimore.

Davis had full authority to call the shots. According to multiple sources with intimate knowledge of the Browns’ decision-making process, Davis considered LaDainian Tomlinson to be strictly an option back who produced all of his yards after the pitch and did not think he could be successful lining up out of the "I" and running downhill. Davis did not like Deuce McAllister, either. With the third overall pick, Davis opted for Florida DT Gerard Warren, two picks ahead of where San Diego drafted Tomlinson, the premier back in football today.

good article

ct 04-11-2007 07:26 AM
What's even funnier about that bit regarding Butch Davis and the Browns, is Shanny went and scavenged those very same players that Davis evaluated and drafted, making the very same mistakes. Granted, much less costly mistakes, but the same.

Mr. Laz 04-11-2007 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry
When Carl told Vermeil to STFD and picked a player it worked out pretty well for the team.
1 Player .... what about the other hundred?

BigChiefFan 04-11-2007 02:37 PM
I do like Herm in the draft. His scouting skills have already brought in some good players. Let's hope he can find some future Pro Bowlers in this year's draft.


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