The Pope John Paul II - Page 22

Jenson71 · 01:12 AM

Today I listened to a talk about the Catholic religion and part of it dealed with the Pope - John Paul II. Isn't he amazing? The Pope is one of my heroes. He's so unbelievably good. This thread is a tribute thread to the living saint.

Brock · 01-27-2005, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jenson71

What makes you different? These religions claim to have answers. Are you smarter than Mother Teresa or...the Pope? What about Gandhi? A lot of brilliant people who changed the world had some religious belief. What's up with you?

I think Clint probably was boofooed by a priest when he was a kid, leading to his contempt for anyone's religious beliefs.

Jenson71 · 01-27-2005, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ZachKC

He doesn't believe the same thing that you folks do...what the big deal...

The way you are framing these questions to him is strange.

Dude, I'm not being harsh with him. I'm just trying to get a better understanding. You don't think I'm really interested? I am. I don't want to start some holy war. I'm honestly interested in his thoughts and ideas and his view. I struggle with this religion stuff...Am I on or am I off? Never easy to tell...

|Zach| · 01-27-2005, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jenson71

Dude, I'm not being harsh with him. I'm just trying to get a better understanding. You don't think I'm really interested? I am. I don't want to start some holy war. I'm honestly interested in his thoughts and ideas and his view. I struggle with this religion stuff...Am I on or am I off? Never easy to tell...

I personally feel like a less extreme version of him.

I have jumped between lutheran and methodist churches for a good deal of my life. I have no problem with the actual religions. I have a problem with the application of them and the way they are hijacked...I also have trouble with the tendencey for some parts of scripture to be glossed over and some parts used to tell others how they should live their lives.

The book is writting in Hebrew...that is translated into the Latin Vulgate. Alot of the English versions of the Bible through time have been tranlsated from the Latin Vulgate. I just have trouble not believing so much of it has been construed by the people holding the pens even if they had good intentions.

Have you ever written a poem translated from one language to another?

There are a lot of amazing people I have met through churches. Alot of people that do a lot of great things. Thats why I tend to not just slam churches as a whole but I wish would be view in a different manner. To me, a relationship with Christ (or a spiritual relationsip) is one of the most personal ones you can have. I wish church was seen more so as a tool in that journey and not the end all everything in place magic box of religion.

Some organizations just don't seem to do it right IMO. I wish I could find better words to describe it but I don't like it when a religious groups when they convey their message "like they want to win."

Anyway thats just a few of my thoughts...

Clint in Wichita · 01-27-2005, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jenson71

What makes you different? These religions claim to have answers. Are you smarter than Mother Teresa or...the Pope? What about Gandhi? A lot of brilliant people who changed the world had some religious belief. What's up with you?

Anyone who tells you they know what happens after death is a liar, including the Pope, Mother Teresa, and Ghandi. No matter how strongly they believe, or how much faith they have, they have no better idea about life after death than anyone else.

Jenson71 · 01-27-2005, 04:21 PM

That's true. I don't disagree.

Clint in Wichita · 01-27-2005, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock Landers

I think Clint probably was boofooed by a priest when he was a kid, leading to his contempt for anyone's religious beliefs.

Gee, I don't think that's a very Christian-like attitude.

Then again, yes it is.

Jenson71 · 01-27-2005, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Clint in Wichita

Gee, I don't think that's a very Christian-like attitude.

Then again, yes it is.

No it's not. We all know Brock Landers. The guy is a little rough with words. That's why we love him though.

C-Mac · 01-27-2005, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Clint in Wichita

1. Carbon dating isn't perfectly accurate with any items, but it is accurate enough when you're talking about millions of years.

Agreed

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Originally Posted by Clint in Wichita

2. Whole life forms? As opposed to what? Obviously we haven't found every type of fossil yet. Even if life did "suddenly" spring up, it's not evidence of creation by a supreme being...let alone the same being featured in the Bible.

Let me rephrase, of the fossils records that HAVE been found so far, whole life forms do suddenly appear, thats scientific/fossil findings. Since there obviously appears to be no room for the evolution time table, then tell me how they got there?

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I'll let the scientists decipher the fossil record & leave the twisted interpretations to the religious.

What "twisted" interpretation have I presented to you?

C-Mac · 01-27-2005, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Clint in Wichita

Anyone who tells you they know what happens after death is a liar, including the Pope, Mother Teresa, and Ghandi. No matter how strongly they believe, or how much faith they have, they have no better idea about life after death than anyone else.

....so when I die, I will retain total conscieness.

C-Mac · 01-27-2005, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Iowanian

yeah.....those bastard Churchies and their Pope insist on giving huge amounts of that money to charities and illconcieved causes like buying people out of Slavery in Sudan, feeding and sheltering homeless, giving supplies and assistance to areas of Crisis with petty things like Civil war, earthquakes, famine, disease. Silly Christians, your money would be better spent buying Clint the Newest LeisureSuit Larry.

Out of respect.....I will reluctantly bite my tongne.

Abba-Dabba · 01-27-2005, 08:07 PM

I really like Pope John Paul II. Good man. Crossed alot of barriers.

InChiefsHeaven · 01-27-2005, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Clint in Wichita

1. Politicians/Leaders of some sort, who sought power/control over the then ignorant masses.

Ok, but this is something that you just think, right? I mean, you've never read that anywhere. Just curious.

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2. It's been pieced together, added to, and abridged over many centuries, but I think the oldest parts probably have their roots in text originally written about 2,000 years ago.

But the Old Testament is much older than 2000 years according to the Jewish religion. Is it your contention that those tomes were written by Gentiles sometime in the last 2000 years?

I guess I know that you can't be convinced of God's existence on a web forum, but the historical text known as the Bible has a well documented history, which you seem to be ignoring if you think it was written simply to goof everybody. It seems like you might view Christianity as Judaism 2.0 or something. Judaism existed before Christianity, and Christians subscribe to the Jewish text as well, so when did the farce begin?

InChiefsHeaven · 01-27-2005, 11:06 PM

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....so when I die, I will retain total conscieness.

...so dat's nice. I got dat goin for me...

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