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Old 12-19-2005, 05:44 PM  
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Do you want Gunther retained as defensive coordinator?
I have seen both opinions on this issue lately. Myself and a few others have thrown Gunther from the train.

What say you?
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Old 12-20-2005, 04:17 PM   #91
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My point is you can't get rid of him because of a few bad weeks.
Bad weeks -

@Denver
Philadelphia
San Diego
Denver
@Dallas
@New York Giants

Mediocre weeks -

@Oakland
Washington

Good weeks -

New York Jets
@Miami
Oakland
@Buffalo
@Houston
New England

Gunther's defense only plays well against bottom feeders. New England being the exception (even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes).
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Old 12-20-2005, 04:20 PM   #92
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Look at that.

Gunther's D sucks arse when he runs into a good team with a decent offense or better.

Sounds like Greg Robinson. Remember 2003?
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Old 12-20-2005, 04:21 PM   #93
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My point is you can't get rid of him because of a few bad weeks.
WTF? His combined overall rankings for these two years are dead last. It's more than a few bad weeks...it's a few horrendous years.
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Old 12-20-2005, 04:23 PM   #94
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He has made our defense better.We lose a game and everyone is ready to fire every coach and start over.Its stupid,you dont fire a coach that has allowed one-100 yard rusher in like 16 games our something like that.We all know he has made our defense better,no need to get rid of him.
No, in fact he made our defense worse. Yardage rankings are virtually identical to Robinson, and Gun gets less turnovers, and allows more points scored. Here's a novel suggestion: why don't you look at the numbers instead of going on blind faith that Gunther is a stud.
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Old 12-20-2005, 04:34 PM   #95
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Gunther can kiss my a$$. He's never been a solid defensive coordinator, he's never been a fundamentally sound defensive coordinator. He's always been an aggressive defensive coordinator. Sure you give him experienced vets like he had in '95 and they can play fundamentally sound because they've been around the block, but we've seen from him ever since just an overly aggressive attack defense, which works well if you can get to the QB consistently and create turnovers, but doesn't work so well when you're playing against a sound football team who can pass protect and run the ball. His D has always been about bend but stiffen up around the goal line and cause the big turnover, never about 3 and outs. He was the wrong man for the job in the first place and I'm shocked so many people keep wanting to make excuses for him, he's done nothing to warrant it...
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Old 12-29-2005, 09:11 PM   #96
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Has anyone's opinion changed after the San Diego game?
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Old 12-29-2005, 09:14 PM   #97
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No still want him and his coaching staff gone, also DV, and the special teams coaches. I would be fine with the OC and coaches going to but do not feel it is mandatory for future success.
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Old 12-29-2005, 10:07 PM   #98
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Gunther's popularity mystifies me. Gunther was not my first choice to replace Greg Robinson, but after awhile I bought into the Gunther hype too, thinking he could turn things around. I was wrong.

The statistics are unambiguous. His combined two year rankings are the worst in the league, and think how many bad teams there are. There is just no rational basis to conclude that Gunther is better than Robinson. It's a cult of personality thing with Gunther.

Regarding talent, perhaps it is a talent deficiency as to why *both* Robinson and Gunther sucked, but you can't give Gun a free ride and demonize Robinson. It makes no sense. Additionally, Gun is more responsible than Robinson, as Carl took Gun on a shopping spree last offseason. Evidently, Gun did not choose wisely.

I am a DV supporter, but there is a silver lining to his forced retirement. If DV goes, I'd assume Gun goes to. If Gun were to be DC going into 2006, it'd be real hard to have high expectations for the season. (Unless Gun was a DC for someone like Williams, who would be the brains, and Gun could be just the fire. He might excel in a role like that.)
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Old 12-29-2005, 10:12 PM   #99
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Gunther's popularity mystifies me. Gunther was not my first choice to replace Greg Robinson, but after awhile I bought into the Gunther hype too, thinking he could turn things around. I was wrong.

The statistics are unambiguous. His combined two year rankings are the worst in the league, and think how many bad teams there are. There is just no rational basis to conclude that Gunther is better than Robinson. It's a cult of personality thing with Gunther.

Regarding talent, perhaps it is a talent deficiency as to why *both* Robinson and Gunther sucked, but you can't give Gun a free ride and demonize Robinson. It makes no sense. Additionally, Gun is more responsible than Robinson, as Carl took Gun on a shopping spree last offseason. Evidently, Gun did not choose wisely.

I am a DV supporter, but there is a silver lining to his forced retirement. If DV goes, I'd assume Gun goes to. If Gun were to be DC going into 2006, it'd be real hard to have high expectations for the season. (Unless Gun was a DC for someone like Williams, who would be the brains, and Gun could be just the fire. He might excel in a role like that.)

No, no, no, you just don't get it. Peter Giunta is the anchor on Gun's greatness. Cut him loose and Gun will fly like an eagle, with the D. Fly like an eagle, watch his brilliance lift the D. Oh, Lord through the revolution.
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i can't stand the fact that pat surtain is not on the other teams top wideout everyweek. all opponents do is move thier top wideout into the slot and they have a nickle corner or linebacker on them. so i'll say it's time for a change.
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i can't stand the fact that pat surtain is not on the other teams top wideout everyweek. all opponents do is move thier top wideout into the slot and they have a nickle corner or linebacker on them. so i'll say it's time for a change.
I couldn't have said it better myself.
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I'm with Stevieray on this one... Gunther needs to stay.
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