According to Lebo on 810...

[Imon Yourside]

Butch Davis has been spotted at arrowhead today, wtf? NO!

[Calcountry]

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN

Carl got his Dick, then turned Butch! Mass Suicide IS an option I suppose.

Option I, is this going to be some new offense?

[siberian khatru]

Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

It's been years, and I'm going from memory, so bear with me if I'm wrong.

After getting waxed in the 86 playoffs, the players held a meeting at Barbaro's place and, together with Gary Green and (the guy who kicked a lot of meaningless FG's) Nick Lowry, told Lamar that losing Gansz as the coach of the special teams would kill morale. Kill the team.

I know that Ganzs had received an offer, but I can't remember where.

Lamar bought this charade. Why? I have no idea. The team had reached the playoffs for the 1st time since 1971 and the players basically told Lamar that losing Gansz would cause a collapse of the team.

Not withstanding that a team of perrenial losers had just won a playoff spot under Mackovic. Without a real QB. (They rotated Kenny and Blackledge- when one had the hot hand, he stayed in. Mack was not afraid to yank their asses when they screwed up.)

I know I'm missing some details that are essential. So if my memory has failed me, I apologize.

It wasn't Green and Barbaro. They were gone by 86. Lowery was one of them.:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/ins...ight_shooting/

The last time Mackovic's players protested his actions, some 16 years ago, Kansas City Chiefs owner Lamar Hunt sided with the players and fired him.

Hunt probably had had enough of Mackovic, anyhow. But even now, it’s hard overlooking the role of the players and Frank Gansz, an ambitious assistant who ended up with the head job.

I come with the perspective of having been part of the Kansas City newspaper’s coverage of the Chiefs in 1986. That season, which was Mackovic’s fourth in K.C., the Chiefs improved to 10-6 and made their first playoff appearance in 15 years. But days after a playoff loss to the New York Jets, Hunt drove to the home of place-kicker Nick Lowery for a meeting with him and seven other players, including Pro Bowlers Deron Cherry, Art Still and Albert Lewis.

The postseason turmoil erupted when defensive coordinator Walt Corey was offered a job with the Buffalo Bills, followed by the resignation of Gansz, a nonstop yell-leader who oversaw special teams. Within hours of huddling with the players, Hunt fired Mackovic and handed the job to Gansz, whom I later reported had fibbed about his military and coaching background and who himself was gone two seasons later after compiling an 8-22-1 record.

Behind his back, some K.C. coaches referred to Mackovic as Mouse-ovic. They spoke of him as being whiney and unwilling to take blame when the offense, his specialty, faltered.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Thanks Sib kat,

Lowry was the player rep. That's why his name stuck with me.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by Mecca

They both made it once.......not none. Let's also remember the guy was saddled with Tim Couch and being the GM too. Which was most of his problem, he wouldn't have that kind of power here. Not to mention that was a horrible team when he took over.

I just think you guys are overreacting. Gregg Williams was every bit as bad of a head coach as Butch Davis yet people here love him. Hell Butch got in the playoffs once Gregg never did.

Yup. Not that I'd really like to have him, but I wouldn't cry about it. The Browns have little talent compared to KC. Their O-line was shit...

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by siberian khatru

Why is Butch Davis such a zero? He took over a 3-13 team and went 7-9 and then 9-7, made the playoffs and lost by 3 @ Pittsburgh.

Then they promptly went 5-11 and 4-12.

How much of that was Davis' coaching, and how much was his job as GM? Did being GM detract from his coaching? Is there something inherent in his coaching philosophy that reeks?

I don't know, I'm just asking.

We don't watch ANY of these other coaches as intently as we watch Chiefs coaches.

I think coaches playing GM is a bad thing. Look at Seattle. Holmgren gave up his GM duties, look at how successful they became...

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by siberian khatru

Not to dredge up ancient history here, but I was very supportive of the Mackovic firing at that time. I hated his offenses; the only reason we made the playoffs that year was a bunch of fluky special teams plays.

It seemed like we were blocking a FG or a punt every week...

[Dayze]

Lebo is a near-sighted, bald version of KK.

Both, are douche bags.