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Old 03-19-2008, 10:27 AM  
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Red Sox Refusing to Take Field and may not Travel to Japan Season Opener
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7930472?MSNHPHMA

Game is delayed and being talked about live on ESPN right now.
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Old 03-19-2008, 02:08 PM   #31
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If someone tries to **** you out of $ they contractually owe you do you just say "o.k., no problem, I already have enough money"?
MLB doesn't contractually owe them sh#t. If anything was on a contract then there wouldn't even be a discussion.

This was something extra that the Red Sox thought was implied, and they are going to try and call MLB's bluff, which apparently has worked.
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Old 03-19-2008, 02:11 PM   #32
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MLB doesn't contractually owe them sh#t. If anything was on a contract then there wouldn't even be a discussion.

This was something extra that the Red Sox thought was implied, and they are going to try and call MLB's bluff, which apparently has worked.
So there was never an agreement to pay the coaches and staff, verbal or written? I must have misunderstood, sorry.

But why would anyone agree to go on a business trip without getting paid for the travel?
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So there was never an agreement to pay the coaches and staff, verbal or written? I must have misunderstood, sorry.

But why would anyone agree to go on a business trip without getting paid for the travel?
You think the coaches were paying for this trip out of their own pocket if they didn't get this money? This was EXTRA money, basically a bonus, for going to Japan to play a few games.
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Old 03-19-2008, 02:19 PM   #34
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Old 03-19-2008, 02:22 PM   #35
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So there was never an agreement to pay the coaches and staff, verbal or written? I must have misunderstood, sorry.

But why would anyone agree to go on a business trip without getting paid for the travel?
That is what the disagreement is about: whether there was such and agreement (verbal or written). The Red Sox players said there was, MLB says there was not, thus a comprise was needed.

It's not about how much money someone has, but that one side thought that contractually they were do money, that the other side didn't. I don't think many people would just walk away from 40k they felt they were contractually owed, but then again others have more money than me.
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Old 03-19-2008, 02:25 PM   #36
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You think the coaches were paying for this trip out of their own pocket if they didn't get this money? This was EXTRA money, basically a bonus, for going to Japan to play a few games.
Yep, and if a client asked me to do extra work I expect extra compensation. I realize as an independent I am a little different than an employee but I have to think guys at the level of MLB Manager can expect some executive comp.
You think international biz travel is fun?
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Us against the world? Sure, you bet, the Red Sox are truly the underdog.

If they don't take the field, they forfeit, plain and simple.
I know its over and resolved, but giving up 2 games is NOTHING for the Red Sox. They are going to be 1-2 in the division and will be heading to the play offs again. No big deal if they were docked 2 games.
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I know its over and resolved, but giving up 2 games is NOTHING for the Red Sox. They are going to be 1-2 in the division and will be heading to the play offs again. No big deal if they were docked 2 games.
resolved how?
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resolved how?
Front page on espn. Says its resolved. Didnt even ready the story yet, but thats the headline.
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Front page on espn. Says its resolved. Didnt even ready the story yet, but thats the headline.
Thanks. Looks like they settled for some cash for all the coaches though it sounds like it is a little less than $40k.

Why would the organization/MLB nickel-and-dime over a lousy half million or so? They pissed away 30x that for that cracked up Mitchell report.
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it is kind of BS that they have to go around the world for a game, unless they signed up for it.
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it is kind of BS that they have to go around the world for a game, unless they signed up for it.

They did sign up for it, based on that extra 40k for 3 weeks in a foreign country. I'm glad they got what they were owed.
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What a cluster-****. Looks like it was the damn PLAYER'S ASSOCIATION that scrweed up. From today's "timeline". The full report is linked below also if you care:

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2:05 p.m. - The Globe's Nick Cafardo posts a blog entry saying that sources have told him the Players' Association, not MLB, was responsible for removing the coaches from the players' revenue pool, and failed to notify Sox players.
http://www.boston.com/sports/basebal..._unity/?page=2
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Different article:



When the Sox players agreed to make the trip to Japan, the Players' Association negotiated a payment of $40,000 to each player. However, the payments to the manager, coaches, and support staff were not included in the written agreement. An MLB source blamed the Players' Association, which does not recognize coaches, except for pensions. The union said it was merely something that fell through the cracks - something that was said during negotiations but not put into writing.

"It wasn't so much the money, it was the fact that these things were promised and then reneged," said Sox third baseman Mike Lowell, who didn't assess blame.

http://www.boston.com/sports/basebal...t_for_coaches/
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