Would you have Drafted differently? - Page 5

Direckshun · 04-29-2008, 01:33 PM

I'm not necessarily saying I'd do things differently, but here's an idea I thought I'd float out there:

Assuming the rest of the Draft played out the way it did...

1. DT Glenn Dorsey
1. OT Jeff Otah (no trade up)
2. DE Quentin Groves
3. MLB Dan Connor
3. WR Early Doucet
3. DB Tyvon Branch
4. C Kory Lichtensteiger
5. OG Roy Schuening
5. QB Josh Johnson
6. OT Barry Richardson
6. DE Chris Harrington
7. CB Wilroy Fontenot
7. RB Allen Patrick

1 QB
1 RB
1 WR
4 OL
3 DL
1 LB
2 CB

*scratches head* It's really hard to complain about the Draft we ended up with.

milkman · 05-04-2008, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Connor can play outside, too, but the entire point is, he can play the 4-3. Here's more proof that Mecca is FOS on this and just can't admit it...
Dan Connor, LB, Carolina Panthers: The key to the Panthers defense hinges on the play of the linebackers, and Connor gives them a playmaker to offset the loss of oft-injured Dan Morgan in the middle. Although Connor's position has yet to be defined, his ability to play inside or outside gives defensive coordinator Mike Trgovac the option of sliding Jon Beason over to weak-side linebacker in their base defense. With Connor in the middle flanked by Thomas Davis and Beason on the edges, the Panthers have the speed to clog up running lanes in their 4-3 defense.

That isn't contrary to anything mecca has ever said about Connor.

I believe he even said Connar is a good fit for the Panthers.

He just doesn't believe that Connar is a good fit in the Chiefs cover two.

ILChief · 05-04-2008, 07:15 PM

Our first and second rounds were exactly as I would have done. I would have taken Early Doucet and maybe Carl Nicks with Charles in round 2. I think we could have gotten Cottam in round 4. Other than that I don't think they could have done any better.

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-04-2008, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ILChief

Our first and second rounds were exactly as I would have done. I would have taken Early Doucet and maybe Carl Nicks with Charles in round 2. I think we could have gotten Cottam in round 4. Other than that I don't think they could have done any better.

I think you mean round 3, not round 2.

Additionally, Nicks went in round 5 so why would you give up a three for him? That's the same kind of ass-backwards logic that led to the Chiefs talent-depleted roster in the first place. On top of that, the Chiefs were never interested in him at any spot.

Too many character issues.

Regardless, Richardson in the 6 will prove to be a steal.

BigChiefFan · 05-04-2008, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

That isn't contrary to anything mecca has ever said about Connor.

I believe he even said Connar is a good fit for the Panthers.

He just doesn't believe that Connar is a good fit in the Chiefs cover two.

Sorry, but the cover two is part of a 4-3 base defense. Mecca is flat-out wrong about Connor, saying he can't play in the scheme-it's proven that he can. No big deal, just want to set the record straight.

milkman · 05-04-2008, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Sorry, but the cover two is part of a 4-3 base defense. Mecca is flat-out wrong about Connor, saying he can't play in the scheme-it's proven that he can. No big deal, just want to set the record straight.

Yes, a cover two can be part of the 4-3 package, but it is not the base defense for the Panthers.

The 4-3 is the base defense for the Chiefs.

ChiefsCountry · 05-04-2008, 08:45 PM

I think you are getting some things mixed up BigChieffan. 4-3 just means 4 down lineman and 3 backers. Cover 2 is a coverage term. For a middle linebacker, you have to have the ability to drop deep into coverage. While at the same time have the speed to reconize the run. Ideally you want a Derrick Brooks, Jonathan Vilma, EJ Henderson type.

penchief · 05-05-2008, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Yes, a cover two can be part of the 4-3 package, but it is not the base defense for the Panthers.

The 4-3 is the base defense for the Chiefs.

I wonder where the chiefs were projecting him to play when they were considering him at 73, inside or outside? It would be interesting to find that out.

Just wondering.

BigChiefFan · 05-05-2008, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

I think you are getting some things mixed up BigChieffan. 4-3 just means 4 down lineman and 3 backers. Cover 2 is a coverage term. For a middle linebacker, you have to have the ability to drop deep into coverage. While at the same time have the speed to reconize the run. Ideally you want a Derrick Brooks, Jonathan Vilma, EJ Henderson type.

This is what I said...Sorry, but the cover two is part of a 4-3 base defense.

I don't know how you get that I'm confused on the matter, I'm not. Connor played in the 4-3, will play in the 4-3 for Carolina and all Mecca told us was he wouldn't work in that scheme-he obviously WILL, so I pointed it out.

veist · 05-05-2008, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

This is what I said...Sorry, but the cover two is part of a 4-3 base defense.

I don't know how you get that I'm confused on the matter, I'm not. Connor played in the 4-3, will play in the 4-3 for Carolina and all Mecca told us was he wouldn't work in that scheme-he obviously WILL, so I pointed it out.

Just because a 4-3 and the Tampa two both employ 4 down linemen and 3 backers doesn't mean they have the same responsibilities in both looks. What Mecca and others have tried to tell you and you have ignored is that in the Tampa two the mike backer is responsible for a lot more ground in coverage than in a 4-3 so that the safeties can more effectively cover the soft spots behind the CBs zones. So he needs to be able to turn and run in coverage because the safeties are going to be split out from the middle. And that is exactly the weak part in his game, in a normal 4-3 the safeties are going to be for that middle ground in coverage.

Chiefmanwillcatch · 05-07-2008, 11:22 AM

I still don't know about the other Dtackle spot. I didn't see enough.

Espn raved about Washington redskins pick of OT in the 3rd round.

04-29-2008, 01:33 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	Would you have Drafted differently? I'm not necessarily saying I'd do things differently, but here's an idea I thought I'd float out there: Assuming the rest of the Draft played out the way it did... 1. DT Glenn Dorsey 1. OT Jeff Otah (no trade up) 2. DE Quentin Groves 3. MLB Dan Connor 3. WR Early Doucet 3. DB Tyvon Branch 4. C Kory Lichtensteiger 5. OG Roy Schuening 5. QB Josh Johnson 6. OT Barry Richardson 6. DE Chris Harrington 7. CB Wilroy Fontenot 7. RB Allen Patrick 1 QB 1 RB 1 WR 4 OL 3 DL 1 LB 2 CB scratches head It's really hard to complain about the Draft we ended up with.
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05-04-2008, 07:15 PM	#62
ILChief MVP Join Date: Jan 2001 Casino cash: $7764831	Our first and second rounds were exactly as I would have done. I would have taken Early Doucet and maybe Carl Nicks with Charles in round 2. I think we could have gotten Cottam in round 4. Other than that I don't think they could have done any better.
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05-04-2008, 08:45 PM	#66
ChiefsCountry The Insider Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lake of the Ozarks Casino cash: $-1601248	I think you are getting some things mixed up BigChieffan. 4-3 just means 4 down lineman and 3 backers. Cover 2 is a coverage term. For a middle linebacker, you have to have the ability to drop deep into coverage. While at the same time have the speed to reconize the run. Ideally you want a Derrick Brooks, Jonathan Vilma, EJ Henderson type.
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05-07-2008, 11:22 AM	#70
Chiefmanwillcatch Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: KC Casino cash: $10004900	I still don't know about the other Dtackle spot. I didn't see enough. Espn raved about Washington redskins pick of OT in the 3rd round.
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