Let the controversy begin - Page 4

Sam Hall · 08-15-2008, 05:13 PM

With the first pick in the 2009 NFL draft, Scott Wright, at least for now, thinks the Chiefs will select Matthew Stafford.

I'd like to see how Stafford plays without his left tackle. Remember, Scott Wright had Brian Brohm No. 1 overall at this time last year. He ended up correctly calling Jake Long to the Dolphins.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.php

**Tribal Warfare** · 01-03-2009, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DrRyan

Yes, I have seen him play three or four games this year and a number of games last year. I have watched him underachieve in most all of them.

Underachieve? The kid is making due with the below average WR corps he has, they drop nearly 40% of his passes. The kid has moxy, and the" captain comeback" ability to take his offense on his back and win.

DrRyan · 01-03-2009, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Underachieve? The kid is making due with the below average WR corps he has, they drop nearly 40% of his passes. The kid has moxy, and the" captain comeback" ability to take his offense on his back and win.

Obviously you have made up your mind and that will not be changed. He has Moreno in the backfield(likely first round pick) and Massaquoi out wide(a late second to third rounder). I would absolutely say he underachieved this year. Georgia was up there with USC being picked to play in the title game in the pre-season. Have his WRs dropped passes? Of course, tell me a college QB who does not deal with that. I would love to be proven wrong should the Chiefs draft him at QB, but I am far more confident he turns out to be at best an average NFL QB.

For the life of me I cannot understand the majority of people standing on the ledge ready to jump if the Chiefs don't go QB in the first round. QB is not the biggest need for this team. Is Thigpen going to be a Franchise QB for 10+ years? NO. Is he serviceable? Absolutely. I would be much happier should the Chiefs improve the defense and either take a QB round 3-4 or take one in next years draft. Otherwise, should we plan on another season where the defense collapses in the 4th quarter and give us an improvement of 15 sacks next year.

**Tribal Warfare** · 01-03-2009, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DrRyan

For the life of me I cannot understand the majority of people standing on the ledge ready to jump if the Chiefs don't go QB in the first round. QB is not the biggest need for this team.

Stafford is the BPA, picking for need kills teams

DrRyan · 01-03-2009, 01:42 PM

No he is not, be I guess we will leave it at that. Just remember the "man crush" that you and many others here have on him when he turns out like Russell or Smith.

Here's to me praying I am wrong in this one. Betcha I am not though.

**Tribal Warfare** · 01-03-2009, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DrRyan

Here's to me praying I am wrong in this one. Betcha I am not though.

bowener · 01-03-2009, 04:20 PM

I dont think it is an accurate comparisson between JR and Matt Stafford.

JR was surrounded by 1st round talent. He had Addai the year before he was drafted, he had Bowe and Davis as WR's (both 1st round draft picks). He also had Doucet (3rd rd.). He also had Whitworth on the line (2nd).

All the scouting reports that I have seen compare Stafford to Cutler. I think that is a pretty good one, and that is a good QB to have on your team as well. He has a rocket arm and throws great spirals. His accuract suffers from throwing off his back foot a lot, which come from a combination of pressure and lazily moving his feet. He also throws too hard at times on shorter throws, but these things can be coached away, as can his ability to choose the right audible. I doubt he has to audible a ton in college too. The O he is in is a pro style O so that helps him out as well, but they do not throw a lot of intermediate or short passing routes really, which hurts him stats wise as well. We will have to see how he shows at the combine. It will hinge on if he can throw accurate tight spirals and how he does in his interiews with coaches. Most of the reports say that his upside outweighs his downside. Sounds like a typical QB to me that one would draft in the 1st round.

I am curious to see some of the 'unknowns' though. I would like to see how Rhett Bomar does, as well as the MAC QB's if they come out. Maybe we can find a steal at the top of the 2nd round... who knows!

It also depends on who our coaches are as well. If we end up with the Pats crew, they may like him since he can go deep and they could probably coach him up to his full potential. I would not trust Herm with any QB.

Sam Hall · 01-04-2009, 12:25 AM

Thigpen will end up getting seriously hurt if they continue to let him run so much. I'm not a believer of the spread working in the NFL. We need a pro-style QB like Stafford or Bradford. It'll be another draft where the first couple picks are starters and we can't possibly fill all our needs.

milkman · 01-04-2009, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam Hall

Thigpen will end up getting seriously hurt if they continue to let him run so much. I'm not a believer of the spread working in the NFL. We need a pro-style QB like Stafford or Bradford. It'll be another draft where the first couple picks are starters and we can't possibly fill all our needs.

Uh......When did Bradford become a pro-style QB?

Sam Hall · 01-07-2009, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Uh......When did Bradford become a pro-style QB?

I see your point, but I seriously doubt Bradford would run the option here.

DrRyan · 01-14-2009, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Stafford is the BPA, picking for need kills teams

And missing on a QB with a top 5 pick does as well.

**Tribal Warfare** · 01-14-2009, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DrRyan

And missing on a QB with a top 5 pick does as well.

Like I said before with the new GM and with Pioli as the guy if KC picks a QB in the 1st the kid will most likely be a stud.

Sam Hall · 02-22-2009, 05:48 PM

Valiant · 02-22-2009, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Uh......When did Bradford become a pro-style QB?

There were a couple teams saying that the NFL will be transitioning to shotgun/spread offenses.. Not every team, but a few..

Off the top of my head: KC, Cinci, NE ran tons of plays from shotgun.. I think close to half of the league will be running something other then pro-style by 2010..

It will either die off in a few years or mold into something that has a staying power..

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-22-2009, 09:33 PM

The pro shotgun is not the college spread. The "spread" in the college game is predicated upon the zone-read running play, because it keeps the linebackers and safeties stuck, and the WRs being spread across the field disables the ability for bracketed coverage.

Sam Hall · 02-22-2009, 11:05 PM

I think we have ourselves a full-blown controversy after today's events. Anything seems possible at 3.

08-15-2008, 05:13 PM
Sam Hall UNSTOPPABLE Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: KC area Casino cash: $9895185	Let the controversy begin With the first pick in the 2009 NFL draft, Scott Wright, at least for now, thinks the Chiefs will select Matthew Stafford. I'd like to see how Stafford plays without his left tackle. Remember, Scott Wright had Brian Brohm No. 1 overall at this time last year. He ended up correctly calling Jake Long to the Dolphins. http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.php
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01-03-2009, 01:42 PM	#49
DrRyan Veteran Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: AZ Casino cash: $4501721	No he is not, be I guess we will leave it at that. Just remember the "man crush" that you and many others here have on him when he turns out like Russell or Smith. Here's to me praying I am wrong in this one. Betcha I am not though.
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01-03-2009, 04:20 PM	#51
bowener BAMF! Join Date: Nov 2007 Casino cash: $9549897	I dont think it is an accurate comparisson between JR and Matt Stafford. JR was surrounded by 1st round talent. He had Addai the year before he was drafted, he had Bowe and Davis as WR's (both 1st round draft picks). He also had Doucet (3rd rd.). He also had Whitworth on the line (2nd). All the scouting reports that I have seen compare Stafford to Cutler. I think that is a pretty good one, and that is a good QB to have on your team as well. He has a rocket arm and throws great spirals. His accuract suffers from throwing off his back foot a lot, which come from a combination of pressure and lazily moving his feet. He also throws too hard at times on shorter throws, but these things can be coached away, as can his ability to choose the right audible. I doubt he has to audible a ton in college too. The O he is in is a pro style O so that helps him out as well, but they do not throw a lot of intermediate or short passing routes really, which hurts him stats wise as well. We will have to see how he shows at the combine. It will hinge on if he can throw accurate tight spirals and how he does in his interiews with coaches. Most of the reports say that his upside outweighs his downside. Sounds like a typical QB to me that one would draft in the 1st round. I am curious to see some of the 'unknowns' though. I would like to see how Rhett Bomar does, as well as the MAC QB's if they come out. Maybe we can find a steal at the top of the 2nd round... who knows! It also depends on who our coaches are as well. If we end up with the Pats crew, they may like him since he can go deep and they could probably coach him up to his full potential. I would not trust Herm with any QB. __________________ Main Entry: bowe·ner Pronunciation: \ˈbō-nər\ Function: noun Date: circa 2007
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	The pro shotgun is not the college spread. The "spread" in the college game is predicated upon the zone-read running play, because it keeps the linebackers and safeties stuck, and the WRs being spread across the field disables the ability for bracketed coverage. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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