Chiefs PFW: Herm's an awful talent evaluator - Page 6

**Dave Lane** · 09-22-2008, 12:16 PM

Very interesting article...

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW...wwhi092208.htm

Down — but definitely out

Chiefs’ rebuilding job is only just beginning

By Dan Arkush
Sept. 22, 2008

With 15 rookies on their 53-man roster and 32 players with three years of experience or less, not too many people realistically expected a Chiefs team that lost its 12th straight regular-season game in Atlanta on Sunday to be anything close to a contending team this season.

That said, we hear there are many league observers who believe the Chiefs should be a lot better than they’ve performed three weeks into the season, including some higher-ups in the team’s organization who just might eventually consider making some changes at the top if the team continues to look so inferior to its competition.

Said one veteran NFL evaluator a few days before the Chiefs’ 38-14 shellacking by the Falcons: “When you are sitting on the five-yard line and you cannot score against New England (in Week One), and then you get whipped by an organization as dysfunctional as Oakland (in Week Two), I don’t know how you could have any hope.

“On paper, it looked like they could be 3-2 through the first five games. After what I’ve seen, I don’t think they could be any better than 0-5, and they are likely looking at the top pick in the draft.”

Should that indeed be the case, don’t be surprised if the Chiefs use that pick on the best quarterback available in 2009. With a lot of major concerns from which to choose, the Chiefs’ QB situation is particularly tenuous, with four different signalcallers getting thrown into the fire in the first three games.

The quarterback currently under center for the Chiefs is Tyler Thigpen, a third-stringer entering the season who made his first start on Sunday, with Brodie Croyle, who has suffered three injuries in his seven pro starts, out with a separated shoulder, and veteran backup Damon Huard sidelined with a sore neck.

Fox insider Jay Glazer’s report Sunday morning that the Chiefs tried to work a trade earlier this week for Browns backup QB Brady Quinn didn’t surprise league insiders, some of whom believe Chiefs GM Carl Peterson could be feeling a real sense of urgency to accelerate the team’s progress and, as a result, solidify his job security.

Don’t be surprised if the Chiefs continue to seriously explore other possible “quick fix” solutions in the coming weeks (Jeff Garcia? Daunte Culpepper?) — to the extent that there might be any feasible help available.

“They need so much at core positions — it’s not just a quarterback,” said one league source. “It’s the offensive line, rush end, cornerback. It’s going to take more than another draft to make them competitive.

“The biggest problem is they do not have a quarterback. And it’s scary to think they were going to pass up a franchise quarterback (Matt Ryan, who scorched the Chiefs on Sunday) last year if he were there at No. 5 (in the 2008 draft).”

Chiefs head coach Herm Edwards continues to put up as good a front as he can in his exchanges with the media.

“We’re building,” Edwards said earlier this week.” I’m going through it with everybody else, and I don’t like it. But it’s the best thing for this organization.”

What might not be the best thing for the organization, according to some sources close to the scene, is for Edwards to have any significant input in the team’s personnel decisions.

“He’s an awful evaluator,” said one veteran pro evaluator with firsthand knowledge of Edwards’ personnel acumen. “First of all, he can’t stay awake long enough to watch the film. He’s one of those guys that can watch 15 snaps and then go off for a half hour about what the guy could or could not do for him in his system.”

tk13 · 09-22-2008, 08:16 PM

Tank Tyler is on pace to have about 85 tackles. That would be insane, especially for an interior linemen with very little outside help.

Hammock Parties · 09-22-2008, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

If you are really arguing the Chiefs and Chargers are even in the same stratosphere do us all a favor and kill yourself.

If they're so much better than us why doesn't it show up when we play them?

Mecca · 09-22-2008, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

What?

THE CHIEFS SUCK.

As you just made a post that inferred the Chiefs and Chargers were the same, uh huh.

Mecca · 09-22-2008, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

If they're so much better than us why doesn't it show up when we play them?

Well hey they've won a playoff game this decade. Stop arguing this stupid point we are the worst team in football they are coming off the AFC championship game.

Hammock Parties · 09-22-2008, 08:17 PM

Nope. I sure didn't.

BTW, I had no idea Tank even had that many tackles. That's amazing. He's going to be awesome.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-22-2008, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

Tank Tyler is on pace to have about 85 tackles. That would be insane, especially for an interior linemen with very little outside help.

OMG, he's Trevor Laws!!1!!11!11!!!11

Someone call findthedouchebag.

Mecca · 09-22-2008, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Simpson hasnt done much either, but still that was the main pick that I was down on that day. I wanted Daniel Manning or Youbty.

Simpsons been a player, he and half the Bills roster got injured last year, his rookie year he made plays.

Mecca · 09-22-2008, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

Nope. I sure didn't.

BTW, I had no idea Tank even had that many tackles. That's amazing. He's going to be awesome.

Yes you did, stop being a douche.

Hammock Parties · 09-22-2008, 08:21 PM

I didn't. My internet has been down for days. I haven't been able to check a box until just now.

**Dave Lane** · 09-23-2008, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

It's amazing how people continue to think Krumie is a shitty coach. He does so much more than just scream. Come to training camp and watch him. Do you think it is by chance that McBride and Tyler are making strides?

Of all the coaches Kumrie deserves the most platitudes. He's an above average coach on a pitiful team

Dave

Mecca · 09-23-2008, 01:43 AM

I still have no idea how he is an above average coach....what has he done?

**Dave Lane** · 09-23-2008, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I still have no idea how he is an above average coach....what has he done?

From what I've seen in River Falls and the fact that the interior D-Line is big plus right now and really about the only bright spot on a Herm infested team I'll give him a C+

Dave

**HemiEd** · 09-23-2008, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Faithful

I don't agree with that article. Yesterday 11 true rookies contributed significantly in that game and they played better than many of the veterans. Dorsey and Albert for example, played a great game. Most of the breakdowns are from players who came to the team via free agency (Pigpen, Darling, McInTOAD, Jones, Williams, Thomas, Edwards). I am very please with the quality of players the Chiefs have drafted the last 3 years.

All of those were Herm Edwards pick ups.

Boris The Great · 09-23-2008, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

All of those were Herm Edwards pick ups.

They were picked up while Herm was here. There is a big difference. Do you think Herm pushed for them to sign Donnie Edwards, just to name one? A LB several years north of 30? Donnie was all about Carl trying to make good on the fact that he let him go in the first place.

There is so much unchecked BS being spewed around this place right now, I need boots.

09-22-2008, 12:16 PM
Dave Lane Space Cadet and Aczabel Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Kanab, UT, USA Casino cash: $9333275 VARSITY	PFW: Herm's an awful talent evaluator Very interesting article... http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW...wwhi092208.htm Down — but definitely out Chiefs’ rebuilding job is only just beginning By Dan Arkush Sept. 22, 2008 With 15 rookies on their 53-man roster and 32 players with three years of experience or less, not too many people realistically expected a Chiefs team that lost its 12th straight regular-season game in Atlanta on Sunday to be anything close to a contending team this season. That said, we hear there are many league observers who believe the Chiefs should be a lot better than they’ve performed three weeks into the season, including some higher-ups in the team’s organization who just might eventually consider making some changes at the top if the team continues to look so inferior to its competition. Said one veteran NFL evaluator a few days before the Chiefs’ 38-14 shellacking by the Falcons: “When you are sitting on the five-yard line and you cannot score against New England (in Week One), and then you get whipped by an organization as dysfunctional as Oakland (in Week Two), I don’t know how you could have any hope. “On paper, it looked like they could be 3-2 through the first five games. After what I’ve seen, I don’t think they could be any better than 0-5, and they are likely looking at the top pick in the draft.” Should that indeed be the case, don’t be surprised if the Chiefs use that pick on the best quarterback available in 2009. With a lot of major concerns from which to choose, the Chiefs’ QB situation is particularly tenuous, with four different signalcallers getting thrown into the fire in the first three games. The quarterback currently under center for the Chiefs is Tyler Thigpen, a third-stringer entering the season who made his first start on Sunday, with Brodie Croyle, who has suffered three injuries in his seven pro starts, out with a separated shoulder, and veteran backup Damon Huard sidelined with a sore neck. Fox insider Jay Glazer’s report Sunday morning that the Chiefs tried to work a trade earlier this week for Browns backup QB Brady Quinn didn’t surprise league insiders, some of whom believe Chiefs GM Carl Peterson could be feeling a real sense of urgency to accelerate the team’s progress and, as a result, solidify his job security. Don’t be surprised if the Chiefs continue to seriously explore other possible “quick fix” solutions in the coming weeks (Jeff Garcia? Daunte Culpepper?) — to the extent that there might be any feasible help available. “They need so much at core positions — it’s not just a quarterback,” said one league source. “It’s the offensive line, rush end, cornerback. It’s going to take more than another draft to make them competitive. “The biggest problem is they do not have a quarterback. And it’s scary to think they were going to pass up a franchise quarterback (Matt Ryan, who scorched the Chiefs on Sunday) last year if he were there at No. 5 (in the 2008 draft).” Chiefs head coach Herm Edwards continues to put up as good a front as he can in his exchanges with the media. “We’re building,” Edwards said earlier this week.” I’m going through it with everybody else, and I don’t like it. But it’s the best thing for this organization.” What might not be the best thing for the organization, according to some sources close to the scene, is for Edwards to have any significant input in the team’s personnel decisions. “He’s an awful evaluator,” said one veteran pro evaluator with firsthand knowledge of Edwards’ personnel acumen. “First of all, he can’t stay awake long enough to watch the film. He’s one of those guys that can watch 15 snaps and then go off for a half hour about what the guy could or could not do for him in his system.”
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