Chiefs WHITLOCK - Herm is innocent, Carl is evil - Page 9

Hammock Parties · 10-14-2008, 11:00 PM

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...ry/841754.html

In the minutes after the Chiefs failed to unload unhappy tight end Tony Gonzalez, Herm Edwards sent a clear, concise, fair and accurate message Tuesday afternoon:

The aborted fire sale and current mess at Arrowhead Stadium are not his creation or a reflection of his coaching methods.

When asked by radio reporter Rhonda Moss what Gonzalez’s trade request said about Carl Peterson, the Chiefs organization and its current head coach, Edwards — perhaps unintentionally — summarized his position on the whole affair.

“It doesn’t say anything about me,” Edwards responded. “It doesn’t say one thing about me. It has nothing to do with me. You need to ask the player that. That’s not for me to answer. I’m not going to answer for a football player. I don’t have to do that. I answer for the decisions that I make, what comes out of my mouth.”

Edwards couldn’t have been more transparent.

Kansas City’s inability to retrieve reasonable compensation for Gonzalez is not Herm’s fault. Larry Johnson’s third assault case and possible suspension (by the league or the Chiefs) are not Herm’s fault. The lack of league-wide interest in the services of Damon Huard, Patrick Surtain and Donnie Edwards is not Herm’s fault.

You can blame Herm for Kansas City’s 5-16 record over the past two seasons, but it is unfair to make him culpable for the sad reality that things are likely to get worse before they get significantly better for the Chiefs.

Carl Peterson is responsible for that.

Much will be made of Herm’s apparently smug and dismissive tone at Tuesday’s news conference. He said he hadn’t spoken to Gonzalez about the situation and probably wouldn’t. Edwards said he hadn’t spoken to Larry Johnson about his latest off-field mishap. With his team sitting at 1-4 and reeling from an embarrassing loss at Carolina, Edwards is focused on controlling what he can control and leaving the rest in God’s hands or the people responsible for the problem.

It’s a prudent approach, if you believe the truth will set you free.

It’s no secret that the Chiefs are an organization burning in flames, and Edwards seems to be getting more and more comfortable letting everyone see the gas, matches and electric fans sitting on Carl Peterson’s desk.

Let’s look at this objectively, shall we? Peterson has run this ballclub like a private fraternity. His special pledges — Gonzalez, Johnson, Priest Holmes and, to a lesser degree, Donnie Edwards — have been rewarded with contracts that haven’t necessarily been in the best interest of the football team.

•Peterson misread Gonzalez’s ability to deal with a rebuilding process.

•Peterson misread Johnson’s ability to handle success, money, leadership and a 400-carry season.

•Peterson misread Holmes’ desire to continue playing football after recovering from a hip injury by any means necessary.

•Peterson misread Donnie Edwards’ ability to remain healthy after more than a decade of being injury free.

•And most damaging, Peterson miscalculated by a year the right time to blow up the roster and usher in a youth movement.

All of that misreading, miscalculating and special friendship with players who have never won the Chiefs a single playoff game created the chaos that has turned the franchise into a laughingstock.

Look, if the Patriots give Tom Brady and Tedy Bruschi one contract extension too many, I’ll understand it and totally forgive Bill Belichick. If the Colts let Peyton Manning and Marvin Harrison overstay their usefulness, it’s defensible. Those players won championships for their franchises.

But the NFL is the league that dumps Joe Montana and Jerry Rice, runs Brett Favre to New York and lets Joe Namath hobble around Los Angeles and O.J. Simpson limp across San Francisco’s Golden Gate Bridge.

Meanwhile, Carl Peterson tosses golden parachutes to his favorite draft picks and free-agent signings over drinks at the Capital Grille.

It’s unprofessional. It’s irresponsible. It’s a good-old-boy network in a league that requires a ruthless disloyalty when it comes to money.

You know what used to irritate Marty Schottenheimer? Every time he tried to take a hard-line disciplinary stance with Derrick Thomas, the Golden Child would run to his adopted father (Peterson) for protection.

Gonzalez has spent the last two weeks upset that he didn’t get to break the tight-end record at home against the Broncos. He had his family in town. The Chiefs were going to stop the game and have a quick ceremony.

Who do you think planned the on-field party, Herm or Carl? Who do you think raised Tony’s expectations for a hey-look-at-me moment and set up potential conflict between star player and head coach, Herm or Carl?

The way the club is currently managed, a coaching staff filled with Vince Lombardi, Tom Landry, Bill Parcells, Bill Walsh, Don Shula and Hank Stram couldn’t lead the Chiefs to .500.

**HemiEd** · 10-15-2008, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I'm sorry, but Marty is a terrible talent evaluator.

Give him talent to work with, and he's a good teacher, but no way in hell do I ever want that dumbass picking players in the draft.

I thought the GM is supposed to pick who the HC/Scouts determine is the best on the board?

Just looking at the sample product in the last 20 years, Carl has remained the constant.

The HC has been the difference, and I really enjoyed this team until Marty became desperate at the end. The band of thugs was brought in towards the end of his tenure, in an act of desperation, the way I saw it.

milkman · 10-15-2008, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

I thought the GM is supposed to pick who the HC/Scouts determine is the best on the board?

Just looking at the sample product in the last 20 years, Carl has remained the constant.

The HC has been the difference, and I really enjoyed this team until Marty became desperate at the end. The band of thugs was brought in towards the end of his tenure, in an act of desperation, the way I saw it.

As Dane has pointed out elsewhere, much of the talent that Marty worked with was already here.

There were some good draft picks along the way, but it's been pretty well documented how poorly this franchise drafted through the 90s, and while Carl has the final say, it's also pretty well documented that Carl selects based on his coach's voice.

And this team only remained competitive through free agency, and that isn't the way you build championship teams.

**MahiMike** · 10-15-2008, 04:41 PM

My God, can't we get term limits on GM's? Even Dubya's tyranny only lasted 8 years!

milkman · 10-15-2008, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by hung lo

I wrote about this in my blog. Check it out at KCSportsRant.com

How about we don't.

**Tribal Warfare** · 10-15-2008, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by hung lo

I wrote about this in my blog. Check it out at KCSportsRant.com

Dude, who gives a **** you can write about the same stuff on this very site with others responding. Hence the purpose of internet BB's in general.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-15-2008, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by hung lo

I wrote about this in my blog. Check it out at KCSportsRant.com

How 'bout you go **** yourself and we say we did?

**cdcox** · 10-15-2008, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Eh - Clark was already very well respected around the league before Lamar passed away.

Because of his dad. He's gone. RIP

Everyone has to make their way. Everyone.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-15-2008, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Eh - Clark was already very well respected around the league before Lamar passed away.

Says who?

**Buehler445** · 10-15-2008, 10:00 PM

This was my official thought on the TG thing and I stand by it. If anything it should be the other way around. Despite Carl being a useless piece of trash, this is on Herm.

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

If this happens, this deal is squarely on Squirmin Herman ****ing Sack of Shit Edwards. Prior to the Dungver game, TG is talking about sticking for at least this year and next year. Then that worthless sack of **** Edwards says, "We were only up by one score. You can't throw the ball when you are only up by one score." He can't throw your best player and the best TE to ever play the game a ****ing bone. That's when TG changed his tone. If TG is unhappy it is squarely on that pussy.

If he's wanting to leave, it is a bad deal for KC. Like OTW and Mic along with some others were saying, the value that KC would get for him isn't worth it to THIS team. He's the only goddamn gamer we have. The only one.

**** Herman ****ing Edwards.

Reerun_KC · 10-15-2008, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buehler445

This was my official thought on the TG thing and I stand by it. If anything it should be the other way around. Despite Carl being a useless piece of trash, this is on Herm.

Tell us how you really feel Little B....

**Buehler445** · 10-15-2008, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Tell us how you really feel Little B....

I could write a novel....

Gravedigger · 10-15-2008, 10:30 PM

HERM IS NEVER INNOCENT!!!!

10-14-2008, 11:00 PM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $840478	WHITLOCK - Herm is innocent, Carl is evil http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...ry/841754.html In the minutes after the Chiefs failed to unload unhappy tight end Tony Gonzalez, Herm Edwards sent a clear, concise, fair and accurate message Tuesday afternoon: The aborted fire sale and current mess at Arrowhead Stadium are not his creation or a reflection of his coaching methods. When asked by radio reporter Rhonda Moss what Gonzalez’s trade request said about Carl Peterson, the Chiefs organization and its current head coach, Edwards — perhaps unintentionally — summarized his position on the whole affair. “It doesn’t say anything about me,” Edwards responded. “It doesn’t say one thing about me. It has nothing to do with me. You need to ask the player that. That’s not for me to answer. I’m not going to answer for a football player. I don’t have to do that. I answer for the decisions that I make, what comes out of my mouth.” Edwards couldn’t have been more transparent. Kansas City’s inability to retrieve reasonable compensation for Gonzalez is not Herm’s fault. Larry Johnson’s third assault case and possible suspension (by the league or the Chiefs) are not Herm’s fault. The lack of league-wide interest in the services of Damon Huard, Patrick Surtain and Donnie Edwards is not Herm’s fault. You can blame Herm for Kansas City’s 5-16 record over the past two seasons, but it is unfair to make him culpable for the sad reality that things are likely to get worse before they get significantly better for the Chiefs. Carl Peterson is responsible for that. Much will be made of Herm’s apparently smug and dismissive tone at Tuesday’s news conference. He said he hadn’t spoken to Gonzalez about the situation and probably wouldn’t. Edwards said he hadn’t spoken to Larry Johnson about his latest off-field mishap. With his team sitting at 1-4 and reeling from an embarrassing loss at Carolina, Edwards is focused on controlling what he can control and leaving the rest in God’s hands or the people responsible for the problem. It’s a prudent approach, if you believe the truth will set you free. It’s no secret that the Chiefs are an organization burning in flames, and Edwards seems to be getting more and more comfortable letting everyone see the gas, matches and electric fans sitting on Carl Peterson’s desk. Let’s look at this objectively, shall we? Peterson has run this ballclub like a private fraternity. His special pledges — Gonzalez, Johnson, Priest Holmes and, to a lesser degree, Donnie Edwards — have been rewarded with contracts that haven’t necessarily been in the best interest of the football team. •Peterson misread Gonzalez’s ability to deal with a rebuilding process. •Peterson misread Johnson’s ability to handle success, money, leadership and a 400-carry season. •Peterson misread Holmes’ desire to continue playing football after recovering from a hip injury by any means necessary. •Peterson misread Donnie Edwards’ ability to remain healthy after more than a decade of being injury free. •And most damaging, Peterson miscalculated by a year the right time to blow up the roster and usher in a youth movement. All of that misreading, miscalculating and special friendship with players who have never won the Chiefs a single playoff game created the chaos that has turned the franchise into a laughingstock. Look, if the Patriots give Tom Brady and Tedy Bruschi one contract extension too many, I’ll understand it and totally forgive Bill Belichick. If the Colts let Peyton Manning and Marvin Harrison overstay their usefulness, it’s defensible. Those players won championships for their franchises. But the NFL is the league that dumps Joe Montana and Jerry Rice, runs Brett Favre to New York and lets Joe Namath hobble around Los Angeles and O.J. Simpson limp across San Francisco’s Golden Gate Bridge. Meanwhile, Carl Peterson tosses golden parachutes to his favorite draft picks and free-agent signings over drinks at the Capital Grille. It’s unprofessional. It’s irresponsible. It’s a good-old-boy network in a league that requires a ruthless disloyalty when it comes to money. You know what used to irritate Marty Schottenheimer? Every time he tried to take a hard-line disciplinary stance with Derrick Thomas, the Golden Child would run to his adopted father (Peterson) for protection. Gonzalez has spent the last two weeks upset that he didn’t get to break the tight-end record at home against the Broncos. He had his family in town. The Chiefs were going to stop the game and have a quick ceremony. Who do you think planned the on-field party, Herm or Carl? Who do you think raised Tony’s expectations for a hey-look-at-me moment and set up potential conflict between star player and head coach, Herm or Carl? The way the club is currently managed, a coaching staff filled with Vince Lombardi, Tom Landry, Bill Parcells, Bill Walsh, Don Shula and Hank Stram couldn’t lead the Chiefs to .500.
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