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Old 03-10-2009, 08:55 AM  
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Chiefs sticking with spread offense?

I am sick of talking about Hali and DJ fitting into the 3-4 and whether the Chiefs are going to draft an ILB, a RT or an injured WR.... so, why not bring up something that will make Mecca's head explode.

First, I am not saying the Chiefs will use the spread offense as extensively as they did last year.

However, if you watched the Cards under Haley last year, they used a ton of the spread.

And, if you watched the Pats, Cassel played his best from the shotgun in the spread offense.

For those of you who don't think the spread has much of a future in the NFL... much of what the Pats have run over the last two years has been based on the spread.

In fact, after further examination, I think Cassel and Thigpen's playing style is more similar than it is different. Cassel is clearly more polished and tended to make quicker better reads, and of course is two inches taller.

But, he was more comfortable in the shotgun, similar to Thigpen. He is also a scrambler, similar to Thigpen. And, he was the most comfortable using the spread formation, simialr to Thigpen.

Could the Chiefs have picked him up BECAUSE he will make a good spread QB?

Gailey and Haley are very similar in that they will not force the issue, they will do what their players do best. I think the spread will be a large part of the offensive package utilized in KC.

What I don't know is why the 'spread' has such a negative conotation. Teams have used versions of this in the NFL for a long time.

I have even come up with a name for the offense that I think we will see this year, the 'West Coast Spread'. I believe they will combine many of the pilosophies of the west coast sytem: Larger receivers, shorter passes, slants, etc. I think they will be a primarily zone running team. And, finally, I think that Cassel will see a larger part of the time in the shotgun spread formation.

Now, that I have laid out what I think will happen..... based on nothing more than what I think the talent on the team will be good at as well as what the coaches have done in the past.... you guys can flame me.

Yes... this is a stab in the dark. No, I am not an insider. But, frankly, I would rather get flamed on something new and interesting than continue to argue whether Hali can be an OLB or whether positional value should outweigh actual player evaluation.
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Old 03-11-2009, 10:51 AM   #151
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That might be why I said "in many ways a spread team" rather than "were a spread team".

I would add that I'd be wary of making sweeping generalizations. Not every iteration of the spread features 3-foot or wider splits and not every iteration has their linemen in two-point stances.

All-in-all, this looks to me like a pretty silly exercise in philosophical masturbation.
All I'm trying to say is that what the Chiefs did on offense was RADICALLY different than what the Cardinals or Patriots did. What the Chiefs did WAS a gimmick, designed to compensate for linemen that couldn't block and a QB that couldn't play in a pro offense. And we STILL won only 2 games.

So suggesting that we're going to do it again is crazy talk. You're going to see 3 and 4-WR sets next year. You're going to see the shotgun. Hell, I'd bet it all we'll see the wildcat a half dozen times.

But you won't see anything like what we did last year.
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Old 03-11-2009, 10:55 AM   #152
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All I'm trying to say is that what the Chiefs did on offense was RADICALLY different than what the Cardinals or Patriots did. What the Chiefs did WAS a gimmick, designed to compensate for linemen that couldn't block and a QB that couldn't play in a pro offense. And we STILL won only 2 games.

So suggesting that we're going to do it again is crazy talk. You're going to see 3 and 4-WR sets next year. You're going to see the shotgun. Hell, I'd bet it all we'll see the wildcat a half dozen times.

But you won't see anything like what we did last year.
I agree completely. Yet you'll still have people come on here and on sports talk radio saying that the Chiefs have stuck with the spread that they installed last season.
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Old 03-11-2009, 11:02 AM   #153
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All I'm trying to say is that what the Chiefs did on offense was RADICALLY different than what the Cardinals or Patriots did. What the Chiefs did WAS a gimmick, designed to compensate for linemen that couldn't block and a QB that couldn't play in a pro offense. And we STILL won only 2 games.

So suggesting that we're going to do it again is crazy talk. You're going to see 3 and 4-WR sets next year. You're going to see the shotgun. Hell, I'd bet it all we'll see the wildcat a half dozen times.

But you won't see anything like what we did last year.
Never said we would. Mainly because I agree. To quote myself a few pages back:
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I'm sure they will use the spread. Probably a lot. I don't think it will be anything like the high school gimmick they ran last year, though. Unless Cassel gets hurt and they end up scrapping everything so they can simplify the scheme for the third stringer again.
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Old 03-11-2009, 11:09 AM   #154
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Never said we would. Mainly because I agree. To quote myself a few pages back:
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Old 03-11-2009, 11:21 AM   #155
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So, does this mean the philosophical masterbation has reached it's climax?
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Old 03-11-2009, 11:29 AM   #156
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Old 03-11-2009, 11:36 AM   #157
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The discussion wasn't ejaculatory enough for you?

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Old 03-11-2009, 11:49 AM   #158
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