According to NFLN KC has had 3 of the top

[Nzoner]

10 motivational head coaches of all-time.Wow,and 1 piece of hardware to show for it.

10.Bum Phillips
09.Sam Wyche
08.Hank Stram
07.Bill Parcells
06.Bill Cowher
05.George Allen
04.Marty Schottenheimer
03.Jon Gruden
02.Dick Vermeil
01.Vince Lombardi

[KcMizzou]

Originally Posted by PastorMikH

I don't want to settle for it, but it is somewhere between where we are and were we want to be. So, IMO, that is at least better than what we have now.

Apologies, Pastor... but we've yet to see what we have now.

Maybe you meant, "What we've had lately."

[Crush]

Originally Posted by splatbass

You need a new dictionary.

Try this one:

www.dictionary.com

me⋅di⋅o⋅cre
  /ˌmidiˈoʊkər/
–adjective
1. of only ordinary or moderate quality; neither good nor bad; barely adequate.
2. rather poor or inferior.


The Chiefs during the Marty era were neither of those.

The Chiefs were actually ****ing terrible during the Marty era.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Admiral Crunch

The Chiefs were actually ****ing terrible during the Marty era.

Spock to infinity.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Whether you hate Whitlock or not, read this article:
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/printthread.php?t=105229
I wish I could also track down an ESPN Insider article years ago that ripped on Stiles big time and called him one of the worst personnel guys in the game. They said he did all of his evaluations through recommendations from college coaches within his network and that he did very limited actual scouting. Case-in-point, this is the same dumb shit who had no idea who Ben Roethlisberger was going into the draft. Can you believe that? How do you not know about a QB as highly rated as Big Ben?

You're basically suggesting that Vermeil deserves a lot of blame for drafting errors, but I will continue to ask why a GM would give a coach that kind of power and why the VP Personnel was so incompetent that he didn't know these guys were going to be failures? And then I'll ask why a Personnel guy, whose main job, by the way, is to make good draft picks and good free agency moves, wasn't fired after a long string of incompetence. It's like this. If you're building a home and your electrician is so incompetent that your carpenter ends up doing all the electrical work, whose fault is it when your electric is all screwed up? I would blame the electrician first for being a dumb shit at what he's supposed to be good at. And I'd blame the contractor who hired the guy in the first place. Why are you going to blame a guy who was doing something that's outside his job description?

Vermeil's job isn't to scout, collect data, and draft players. His job is to provide input so that the Personnel guy, who is supposed to specialize in personnel decisions, can make more informed decisions. If Vermeil had too much power, SHAME on Carl Peterson for giving it to him. In a good organization, a coach wouldn't have that much input for one, and the VP Personnel would have enough information to tell the head coach he was wrong. None of that happened. And so, a coach who was supposed to make INPUT ended up being the guy that made DECISIONS. Does Vermeil deserve some blame? Of course. But in a good organization, he would have been vetoed.

Again, you are making excuses for Dick's poor talent evaluation.
Whether he should have been given that much voice is not the issue.

He made decisions that he was allowed to make, and he made poor ones.

If a carpenter does the electrical work on the house because the electrician is too lazy to do it. I'm going to fire the electrician, the contractor for hiring the electrician, and I'm going to fire the carpenter for being a dumbass.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by splatbass

You need a new dictionary.

Try this one:

www.dictionary.com

me⋅di⋅o⋅cre
  /ˌmidiˈoʊkər/
–adjective
1. of only ordinary or moderate quality; neither good nor bad; barely adequate.
2. rather poor or inferior.


The Chiefs during the Marty era were neither of those.

We've apparently had this conversation before, and I know the definition of mediocre.

The fact that Marty could coach his teams to wins against bottom dwellers and the rest of the mediocre teams on a regular basis only means that the Martyocre Chiefs were the class of mediocrity.

The fact that he couldn't coach those Martyocre Chiefs to wins in the playoffs means that they were mediocre teams that couldn't consistently compete against the better teams.