We are not taking a QB in the first round

[TheGuardian]

Just the official thread stating it. I'm not sure why some of you are already blowing this horn.

Just keep reading the title of this thread until it ****ing sinks in.

And I'm not even a Cassel fan, but he's going to be given more than 1 season to show he is or is not the guy.

I know all the bullshit arguments that will come forth.

"He's not a rookie, he's a seasoned vet" blah blah ****ing blah. I don't give a shit. I'm talking about reality. They gave him 60 mil. Even if Cassel never improves on this season (which I actually think he will, even if I'm not a fan), GM's don't admit to failures that quickly. Pioli will give him every chance to prove that he's right. He drafted him, he signed him to a 60 million dollar contract. Those of you you think that Pioli is going to turn right around and draft a QB with our first pick are ****ing morons. Yes, you are. It's ENTIRELY out of the question so please stop wasting discussion time with it.

Thank you and have a nice new years day.

[wild1]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Good post. I would add Crabtree to that short list of guys that would have been worth the pick.

"toilet brush"

"toilet brusher" - new term for "sure-miss" players that become impact players

[Mecca]

I absolutely hated Maybin even more than Orakpo, Maybin produced for 1 year, is 20 years old and is extremely light.

My argument of why I didn't like Crabtree 3 was there wasn't enough separating him from the other WR's, Hakeem Nicks went in the late 20's and as players there is very little separating them to justify that difference in picks and contracts.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by wild1

"toilet brusher" - new term for "sure-miss" players that become impact players

You do realize that when you discuss the draft you're going to be wrong quite often if you hit 50% you're doing an awesome job.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Mecca

You do realize that when you discuss the draft you're going to be wrong quite often if you hit 50% you're doing an awesome job.

Which is why it's a little nuts to get so caught up in certain players.

[Sweet Dick Willy]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Dude, we're going to have to agree to disagree about Sanchez.

He may end up being a piece of trash, but nothing has been proven, yet. And, you'll think this is crazy, but I'd still rather have him than Cassel.

"The Jets will easily go 500 this year".

"The Jets will never go 500 this year".

And-a 1, 2, 3, 4:

One of these an-swers is-the right one,
One of these an-swers is full-o FAIL"...


Sweet Diiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiick!

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Which is why it's a little nuts to get so caught up in certain players.

Yup, or talk about you're going to fix everything with a draft.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Gholston wasn't my reasoning for being down on him, I don't like to do player comparisons like that I think it's unfair to both players.

I was down on Orakpo because of the long history of highly drafted Mack Brown Texas players that have absolutely fizzled.

with all due respect, how can you say you dont like to compare players because its not fair... then say you didnt want Orakpo because he was from Texas?

Orakpo had about every indicator of an elite pass rusher (and specifically a 3-4 rushbacker type) because of his speed and ability in coverage that Wash is utilizing by playing him at lb on 1st and 2nd down, not to mention his ability to be a elite pass rusher...and was just written off here because....wait for it..."he was from Texas"

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Sanchez was overhyped and that much has been proven. Even if you take him it's not like he's Eli where he has the value to be traded to someone else. No one else was going to buy into that.

LOL I am seeing eye to eye with you more and more.

NY only having to spend peanuts to move all the way from 17 to 5 should tell you all you need to know.

The kid has a long way to go, time will tell if he has the heart to develop into a all pro, or if he regresses.

[Brock]

Mecca hates big 12 players, it goes way back.

[BossChief]

OMG think if we had drafted Orakpo and Mauluaga last year and Suh this year!

That would SURELY have helped to key a championship caliber defense.

Someone say something about "corner stones"?

[wild1]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Which is why it's a little nuts to get so caught up in certain players.

When you say you'd rather take it up the ass than draft a player, it's more than just a 50/50 miss. You are not only saying that your "expertise" tells you this guy is a chump, but you're also telling us what your degree of certainty is for that. If you just said "I'd rather take a couple of other guys" that's one thing. Saying it the way he said it tells us how certain he was that this guy was a sure bust. Which in turn tells you why some people are working in football evaluating talent and others are sitting in their mom's basement.

I think it's just popular on the internet to bash Big 12 players on defense, so the bandwagon effect comes into play. Someone who reads all over the internet about one topic can fall victim to that.

In my profession this is common too. Without any real expertise you come to think X because you read X on the internet. EVERYONE (on the internet) knows X, X is obvious... but really you are only getting the opinion of people who post on the internet and those who are very loud about it get more attention than they ought to get. So you end up with a skewed opinion - again, lacking anything else to rely on.

[TheGuardian]

Big12 defensive players generally suck. Mainly because the big12 is a pussy conference with too many spread offenses and not enough big dick I formation "let's find out who the men are" football.