If Berry is there and we pass

['Hamas' Jenkins]

For either

A) Okung
B) McClain
C) B5TA
D) Joe Haden
E) Dez White
F) Sam Bradford (but not Clausen)
G) Dan Williams (think of picking a guy 15 spots above where he was projected)

How does that affect your view of this regime, if at all?

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by mylittlepony

Are you seriously trying to convince me that the Rams 1999 defense was a big part in them winning the Superbowl?

That defense was a product of their offense. Maby if teams werent playing catchup they wouldnt be first against the run and in sacks. Look at their time of possetion.

And the rams 1999 defense compared to what Giunta did elsewhere is your basis for saying that good teams aren't better at developing talent? Come on man you are reaching...

It was defense alone that won that playoff game against Tampa.

The offense made some clutch plays at the end, but other than that, it was all defense. That's something none of Vermeil's Chiefs teams could have hoped to have done. Maybe 2005, but that's it.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by mylittlepony

Are you seriously trying to convince me that the Rams 1999 defense was a big part in them winning the Superbowl?

How many games did they hold their opposition under 20 points?

Was it the defense that ended the Super Bowl with a tackle on the 1 yard line?

[RustShack]

mylittlepony is one of those fans who only watches one team so he has no idea what hes talking about.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Jesus, what a dumb mother****er.

[mylittlepony]

Originally Posted by SNR

It was defense alone that won that playoff game against Tampa.

The offense made some clutch plays at the end, but other than that, it was all defense. That's something none of Vermeil's Chiefs teams could have hoped to have done. Maybe 2005, but that's it.

The 28th ranked offense. Tampa bay hadnt scored 30+ point more then once. They scored less then 2 TDs at 5 separate games. I know this might sound arena league to some people... it must have taken alot of talent (drafted talent I might add) to be able to keep up with this juggernaugh.

Also this is the biggest strawman argument ever. Because the Rams 99 defense were better then 03 chiefs defense that means that talent is drafted and not developed how exactly?

[ChiefGator]

Originally Posted by RustShack

mylittlepony is one of those fans who only watches one team so he has no idea what hes talking about.

Well, if the one team is the Chiefs he should no something about what a record setting offense and no defense can get you. Assuming he is older than 12.

St. Louis Rams offense is probably one of the best, most disrespected defenses on the super bowl winners. Noone remembers them in the least.

They were sixth AND they had to defend against teams throwing the ball all over the field to try to keep up with that crazy offense.

[mylittlepony]

Originally Posted by RustShack

mylittlepony is one of those fans who only watches one team so he has no idea what hes talking about.

Even if I did I would have seen for example Fujita, Mitchel, Tynes and Pollard go on to other teams to do well. How come if you draft talent; these players were so bad in KC? Yet good in other teams.

[RustShack]

They didn't do better, their teams did better. Pollard is the only won who actually performed better, and thats because he was surrounded by talent unlike here.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by RustShack

They didn't do better, their teams did better. Pollard is the only won who actually performed better, and thats because he was surrounded by talent unlike here.

He's also more suited to a 4-3 defense.

And Fujita led the Chiefs in tackles for two straight seasons. He was good when he played here.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by ILChief

How great would it be if I suddenly found Drain-O crystals delicious beyond all imagining and sprinkled them liberally on my corn flakes tomorrow morning?

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Our head coach has a litany of experience as both a player (ironically used against posters in the past) and a coach. Fortunately, through hard work and dedication he was able to get a foothold in this league, unlike some other nincompoop that was the beneficiary of nepotism, like Rex Ryan.

But...but...it was all Mangina's drafting!

[BigChiefFan]

Out of your list, only Williams and B5TA(WhoTFIT?) would upset me in the top 5.

[Sully]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Expand and develop.

I'm sorry, I never returned to this thread, so I never saw your question.

If that were to happen, my opinion of Pioli wouldn't change. I would imagine a large number of Pioli's top picks are going to be head-scratchers. If I recall correctly, the Pats, when Pioli was there, were one of 4 teams who didn't use a scouting service, and only did their own scouting. With that, I assume the Chiefs will do the same thing.
So, keeping that in mind, I can imagine that, while how a service ranks players and an individual team ranks players may be close, there may be some big discrepancies in some players, as well.
I don't like the Jackson pick in the first round last year. But I'm gonna guess there won't be many drafts we have where we sit around on Monday patting each other on the backs for an A+ draft, either. I think it boils down to this...
It is what it is. Pioli and his people are going to value things differently than draft sites, fans, and other teams do. It's going to be hit and miss, just like draft sites, fans, and other teams. I'll judge Pioli's drafts to be good or bad after I see how they work out over the long haul, rather than short-term.