Spinoff Thread: J. Charles trade value - Page 3

Dante84 · 04-08-2010, 11:55 AM

In the Lounge there is a discussion about a hypothetical situation where we trade Charles for draft picks; and then draft Spiller with the 5th overall.

Keep in mind about Charles:
- He is very cheap for this year.
- He had a shoulder injury last year. (most likely healed).
- He had a ridiculous break out season.
- RB's are a dime a dozen, but a playmaker like him is hard to come by.

Keep in mind about Spiller:
- He projects to be incredible
- He projects to be a game changer at multiple positions (RB, WR, KR, PR)
- RB's are a dime a dozen, but a projected playmaker like him is hard to come by.

Keep in mind about the Chiefs:
- Pioli doesn't like sexy picks
- Pioli is not afraid to trade around on draft day
- Thomas Jones is a starting caliber RB, even if he's not a top 10 -15 RB

Question A: What is Charles worth? (top 10 draft pick? mid-late 1st? 2nd?)
Question B: What teams would realistically trade for him?
Question C: What would you do with this hypothetical earned pick?

Hootie · 04-09-2010, 11:33 PM

(not to mention the fact Charles is dirt ****ing cheap right now so if we want to extend him we have all of the leverage since RB's have such short shelf life and are eager to make money before they blow out both of their knees)...

Just ask Chris Johnson.

If I were Chris Johnson I wouldn't play another down until I was paid...sure he'd have to take less than market value...but he should at least get a knew contract...

**** that bullshit about him signing a rookie contract...he outplayed it...two years in a row...and now he should be paid like a top 5 running back...the Titans ought to tear that contract up and give him the average of the top 3 backs for the next three years and tell him "hey, we have the leverage, but we'll reward you...take it or leave it..." and I bet he'd probably take it.

lostcause · 04-10-2010, 04:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsMan

this is idiotic. GTFO

this.

lostcause · 04-10-2010, 04:45 AM

Honestly, the hypothetical of trading charles now for two #1s is grossly similar to trading Allen when we did. All of a sudden we have a superstar talent - now on offense - and then we ship him for draft picks. It's ok when they're old... i.e. tg. It's dumb when they're young and up and coming... i.e. allen and charles.

edit: two top 5's in consecutive years. Would you trade Jared Allen for Dorsey and Jackson and assume those contracts?

Nightfyre · 04-10-2010, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostcause

Honestly, the hypothetical of trading charles now for two #1s is grossly similar to trading Allen when we did. All of a sudden we have a superstar talent - now on offense - and then we ship him for draft picks. It's ok when they're old... i.e. tg. It's dumb when they're young and up and coming... i.e. allen and charles.

edit: two top 5's in consecutive years. Would you trade Jared Allen for Dorsey and Jackson and assume those contracts?

If I was changing to the 3-4, yes. It would be a no-brainer really.

Mecca · 04-10-2010, 01:18 PM

No RB in the league is untouchable, a RB is easily replaceable.

If your teams best player is it's RB, you're ****ed.

Nightfyre · 04-10-2010, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

No RB in the league is untouchable, a RB is easily replaceable.

If your teams best player is it's RB, you're ****ed.

Or at least, you had better plan for the fact that he won't be your best player for much longer than a couple years more.

Mecca · 04-10-2010, 01:26 PM

This team has signed RB's to 2nd contracts 2 straight times now and been burned, you'd think this fan base would get it.

If anyone offers you something stupid for your RB, you take it every time. RB is an easy position to replace and you never want a guy not on a rookie contract.

Hootie · 04-10-2010, 02:27 PM

wake me up when Jamaal Charles isn't 23 and Mecca is actually making sense...

Your team is ****ed if you don't have a good QB...everyone knows that...

Elway couldn't win a Super Bowl until he had Terrell Davis.

Pasta Little Brioni · 04-10-2010, 03:44 PM

Trade Charles, Bowe, Albert, Flowers, Hali, and Dorsey for draft picks!!! Then in a few years trade the players we got for them for even more picks!!!

04-08-2010, 11:55 AM
Dante84 Tossed Salad & Scrambled Eggs Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: ATX & OPKS Casino cash: $-2038004 VARSITY	Spinoff Thread: J. Charles trade value In the Lounge there is a discussion about a hypothetical situation where we trade Charles for draft picks; and then draft Spiller with the 5th overall. Keep in mind about Charles: - He is very cheap for this year. - He had a shoulder injury last year. (most likely healed). - He had a ridiculous break out season. - RB's are a dime a dozen, but a playmaker like him is hard to come by. Keep in mind about Spiller: - He projects to be incredible - He projects to be a game changer at multiple positions (RB, WR, KR, PR) - RB's are a dime a dozen, but a projected playmaker like him is hard to come by. Keep in mind about the Chiefs: - Pioli doesn't like sexy picks - Pioli is not afraid to trade around on draft day - Thomas Jones is a starting caliber RB, even if he's not a top 10 -15 RB Question A: What is Charles worth? (top 10 draft pick? mid-late 1st? 2nd?) Question B: What teams would realistically trade for him? Question C: What would you do with this hypothetical earned pick?
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04-09-2010, 11:33 PM	#31
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	(not to mention the fact Charles is dirt **ing cheap right now so if we want to extend him we have all of the leverage since RB's have such short shelf life and are eager to make money before they blow out both of their knees)... Just ask Chris Johnson. If I were Chris Johnson I wouldn't play another down until I was paid...sure he'd have to take less than market value...but he should at least get a knew contract... ** that bullshit about him signing a rookie contract...he outplayed it...two years in a row...and now he should be paid like a top 5 running back...the Titans ought to tear that contract up and give him the average of the top 3 backs for the next three years and tell him "hey, we have the leverage, but we'll reward you...take it or leave it..." and I bet he'd probably take it.
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04-10-2010, 04:45 AM	#33
lostcause Veteran Join Date: Apr 2009 Casino cash: $9609965	Honestly, the hypothetical of trading charles now for two #1s is grossly similar to trading Allen when we did. All of a sudden we have a superstar talent - now on offense - and then we ship him for draft picks. It's ok when they're old... i.e. tg. It's dumb when they're young and up and coming... i.e. allen and charles. edit: two top 5's in consecutive years. Would you trade Jared Allen for Dorsey and Jackson and assume those contracts?
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04-10-2010, 01:18 PM	#35
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-712950	No RB in the league is untouchable, a RB is easily replaceable. If your teams best player is it's RB, you're ****ed.
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04-10-2010, 01:26 PM	#37
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-712950	This team has signed RB's to 2nd contracts 2 straight times now and been burned, you'd think this fan base would get it. If anyone offers you something stupid for your RB, you take it every time. RB is an easy position to replace and you never want a guy not on a rookie contract.
Posts: 115,380

04-10-2010, 02:27 PM	#38
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	wake me up when Jamaal Charles isn't 23 and Mecca is actually making sense... Your team is ****ed if you don't have a good QB...everyone knows that... Elway couldn't win a Super Bowl until he had Terrell Davis.
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04-10-2010, 03:44 PM	#39
Pasta Little Brioni Consuming CP souls Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: U.S.A. Casino cash: $168880	Trade Charles, Bowe, Albert, Flowers, Hali, and Dorsey for draft picks!!! Then in a few years trade the players we got for them for even more picks!!!
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