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LaChapelle · 08-30-2010, 11:33 AM

James Harrison says Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton "got what he had coming"

Posted by Mike Florio on August 30, 2010 1:04 PM ET

When a bank robber gets away with the money, the last thing he should do is call the bank the next day, identify himself, and say, "You're damn right I took the money."

A similar concept applies when a football player apparently gets away with a fairly blatant case of unnecessary roughness.

After recovering a fumble, which eventually was ruled not a fumble, in Sunday night's game between the Steelers and the Broncos, linebacker James Harrison encountered Broncos quarterback Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton. Orton, not cognizant of the line between bravery and lunacy, tried to tackle Harrison. So Harrison unloaded on Orton. Hard.

"He was running his mouth and getting in the way of the train," Harrison said after the game, per Mike Klis of the Denver Post. "And the train wasn't coming off the track."

If Harrison had said nothing more, we think he'd be fine. It was a rough play, but no one told Orton to get in the way of the train. But then Harrison added a sentence or two that creates the impression that he was trying to injure Orton.

"He was popping off down there the first time they were about to score," Harrison said. "So you run your mouth, expect to get something. Everything's between the lines, so he got what he had coming."

Even though Orton wasn't throwing the ball or otherwise within the protections that apply to quarterbacks, the rules prevent specific instances of unnecessary roughness. Despite the fact that no flag was thrown, Harrison's word could be enough to trigger a letter from the league office informing him that he's getting what he has coming, as in money coming out of his check

**Bane** · 08-30-2010, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by kitten_mittons

It was a dirty hit, but it was not an illegal hit.

Ok lets hear it.How was it dirty?Other than a Bronco player getn his ass handed to him like a newspaper.How was it dirty?

Mile High Mania · 08-30-2010, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bane_58

I get what you're saying but it was a good,solid football hit.No one on the Broncos side seemed to have a problem with it.I'm sure they would have jumped in and backed Orton up if they had felt that it was dirty.It's all is a wash to me anyway,Orton instigated the contact with Harrison IMO.He could have chosen not to tackle a sledge hammer with a cotton ball but he didn't.He decided to go head to head with a much larger player and took a hit.Harrison simply stated that's what you get in that scenario.

Agreed - especially in preseason, if you're a starting QB ... you don't make that type of contact. And, the only reason that Harrison would be walking a fine line is because he said Orton essentially disrespected him earlier, he didn't like it and that hit is what he had coming to him.

So, you could easily read that he was intending to do something to Orton the whole time and he was just waiting for his opportunity. Again - I don't think it was a bad hit, but players just need to watch what they say and how they say it.

**Bane** · 08-30-2010, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Agreed - especially in preseason, if you're a starting QB ... you don't make that type of contact. And, the only reason that Harrison would be walking a fine line is because he said Orton essentially disrespected him earlier, he didn't like it and that hit is what he had coming to him.

So, you could easily read that he was intending to do something to Orton the whole time and he was just waiting for his opportunity. Again - I don't think it was a bad hit, but players just need to watch what they say and how they say it.

Well I doubt Harrison will care if they do fine him.I have to believe as a defender,if he really felt "disrespected" then the $$$ was well spent in his opinion.I just wish they'd go ahead and make the rule where the QB is off limits all together and we can move on.It's probably right around the corner anyway.

kitten_mittons · 08-30-2010, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by bane_58

Ok lets hear it.How was it dirty?Other than a Bronco player getn his ass handed to him like a newspaper.How was it dirty?

well at first I was fine with it and thought orton was an idiot for attempting the tackle (which I still think was stupid). But when I saw the replay, you see Orton go to the ground to take out Harrison's feet, then Harrison dives to the ground and basically goes out of the way to hit orton with his shoulder. If orton makes the tackle the way he did he should've only got hit by harrison's legs below the knees. He was on the ground and got hit with harrison's shoulder.

**Bane** · 08-30-2010, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kitten_mittons

well at first I was fine with it and thought orton was an idiot for attempting the tackle (which I still think was stupid). But when I saw the replay, you see Orton go to the ground to take out Harrison's feet, then Harrison dives to the ground and basically goes out of the way to hit orton with his shoulder. If orton makes the tackle the way he did he should've only got hit by harrison's legs below the knees. He was on the ground and got hit with harrison's shoulder.

Ok.I see exactly what you are saying,but Harrison lowered his shoulder just like a RB (offensive player) with the ball and plowed Orton into the ground.If they make that a dirty/illegal hit,you may as well quit running the football all together.

Mile High Mania · 08-30-2010, 12:31 PM

Yeah, I saw the hit and thought "Damn, he was intentionally trying to lay a hard hit"... but, it's football. If you don't want to get hit (esp preseason), don't put yourself in that position.

**DaFace** · 08-30-2010, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by kitten_mittons

well at first I was fine with it and thought orton was an idiot for attempting the tackle (which I still think was stupid). But when I saw the replay, you see Orton go to the ground to take out Harrison's feet, then Harrison dives to the ground and basically goes out of the way to hit orton with his shoulder. If orton makes the tackle the way he did he should've only got hit by harrison's legs below the knees. He was on the ground and got hit with harrison's shoulder.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Harrison embellished on what was really required there. Like you said, not illegal, but likely dirty.

That said, Orton needs to learn that diving with your back to the oncoming ball carrier is not an effective means of making a tackle.

kitten_mittons · 08-30-2010, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bane_58

Ok.I see exactly what you are saying,but Harrison lowered his shoulder just like a RB (offensive player) with the ball and plowed Orton into the ground.If they make that a dirty/illegal hit,you may as well quit running the football all together.

No, man. Orton was already on the ground when harrison dove into him. If orton wasn't there and harrison did that move he would have just dove onto the ground. He didn't just lower his shoulder, but I'm not really complaining since orton's dumbass shouldn't have been there in the first place. But the hit was still dirty.

**Bane** · 08-30-2010, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kitten_mittons

No, man. Orton was already on the ground when harrison dove into him. If orton wasn't there and harrison did that move he would have just dove onto the ground. He didn't just lower his shoulder, but I'm not really complaining since orton's dumbass shouldn't have been there in the first place. But the hit was still dirty.

Maybe he learned his lesson.

kitten_mittons · 08-30-2010, 12:52 PM

I hope so!

Garcia Bronco · 08-30-2010, 12:58 PM

It's a dirty hit because its preseason. If it's the regular season it's gravey on a fumble recovery. Of course none of it should have happened because it was clearly incomplete in real time.

ToxSocks · 08-30-2010, 01:01 PM

Damn, where can I find a clip of this?

08-30-2010, 11:33 AM
LaChapelle Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Casino cash: $10004900	:poke: Orton has some Cutler in him :poke: James Harrison says Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton "got what he had coming" Posted by Mike Florio on August 30, 2010 1:04 PM ET When a bank robber gets away with the money, the last thing he should do is call the bank the next day, identify himself, and say, "You're damn right I took the money." A similar concept applies when a football player apparently gets away with a fairly blatant case of unnecessary roughness. After recovering a fumble, which eventually was ruled not a fumble, in Sunday night's game between the Steelers and the Broncos, linebacker James Harrison encountered Broncos quarterback Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton. Orton, not cognizant of the line between bravery and lunacy, tried to tackle Harrison. So Harrison unloaded on Orton. Hard. "He was running his mouth and getting in the way of the train," Harrison said after the game, per Mike Klis of the Denver Post. "And the train wasn't coming off the track." If Harrison had said nothing more, we think he'd be fine. It was a rough play, but no one told Orton to get in the way of the train. But then Harrison added a sentence or two that creates the impression that he was trying to injure Orton. "He was popping off down there the first time they were about to score," Harrison said. "So you run your mouth, expect to get something. Everything's between the lines, so he got what he had coming." Even though Orton wasn't throwing the ball or otherwise within the protections that apply to quarterbacks, the rules prevent specific instances of unnecessary roughness. Despite the fact that no flag was thrown, Harrison's word could be enough to trigger a letter from the league office informing him that he's getting what he has coming, as in money coming out of his check
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Mile High Mania #triggering Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Tejas Casino cash: $917229	Yeah, I saw the hit and thought "Damn, he was intentionally trying to lay a hard hit"... but, it's football. If you don't want to get hit (esp preseason), don't put yourself in that position. __________________
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kitten_mittons Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Casino cash: $10004900	I hope so!
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Garcia Bronco No Keys, No Problem Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Denver Casino cash: $1693136	It's a dirty hit because its preseason. If it's the regular season it's gravey on a fumble recovery. Of course none of it should have happened because it was clearly incomplete in real time.
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08-30-2010, 01:01 PM	#27
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