Chiefs LB/DE Dontay Moch clocks fastest 40 ever for NFL scouts - Page 3

Hammock Parties · 01-13-2011, 12:34 PM

Where is this guy gonna go? 2nd? I'd love to see the Chiefs take him.

6-1 245, which is less than ideal size for 3-4 OLB, I suppose...

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Has anyone watched this guy play? I've been reading up on him, and what I'm reading doesn't sound possible,let alone plausible, but I'm seeing this reported in multiple places on the net and nothing written to challenge it or refute it. What's more, the player himself confirms it. (video)

Dontay Moch, who plays DE in Nevada's four man line but is projected as an OLB in an NFL 3-4 defense...could be the fastest player in the history of the NFL draft this April. It's reported all over the web, which is why I don't know why we haven't been talking about him, but he reportedly ran a 4.18 forty for NFL scouts, followed by an insane 4.08 and then a 4.2 done back-to-back-to-back. That's not a typo, the scouts who timed him claim they timed him three times because they didn't believe their own eyes or their instruments, and they insist those were his times. They took the slowest of them and reported an offical 4.2.

By way of comparison, Bo Jackson's 4.19 I believe was the combine's fastest time ever recorded till now. I think Deon Sanders clocked close to 4.2 or something. Despite what we frequently hear, the number of guys who run in the 4.3 and below range is very rare. The fastest linebackers rarely break below 4.5. Patrick Peterson's reportedly clocked 4.3 flat and ran a laser timed 4.37 for scouts before last season. Nobody in the history of the NFL has ever clocked a 4.08 or 4.18. Certainly no linebacker has ever done anything remotely close to that. A 245 pound man running that fast is probably akin to a 325 pound nose tackle covering 40 yards in 4.5 seconds. That simply doesn't happen.

Now looking at his production...42 TFL the last two seasons, 63 for his career, which is the 6th highest total in NCAA history, 21 1/2 sacks his last two years, mostly while being double teamed. WAC Defensive Player of the Year. So far the few projections I've seen show him going in the 2nd or 3rd round. With that kind of speed and production, how could he possibly not go in the first round? If he's there at #36 and certainly at #46, how could we pas on him?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-14-2011, 08:35 AM

His speed has been a Bill Brasky type rumor for the last year or so. I'll admit I don't even remember him from when Mizzou played at Nevada in '09 and Gabbert broke his dick off in the Wolfpack defense to the tune of 400+ and 3 TDs.

mcan · 01-14-2011, 08:45 AM

Rushing the passer isn't about your 40 time. Its about technique and quickness. Obviously the guy must be insanely quick off the line to get that time though. The one great thing about making hi? A linebacker is that he has defensive back-like speed. Last week was a painful reminder that we are NOT fast enough at LB nor Safety. Constantly getting burned by underneath crossing patterns.

CrazyHorse · 01-14-2011, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by mcan

Rushing the passer isn't about your 40 time. Its about technique and quickness. Obviously the guy must be insanely quick off the line to get that time though. The one great thing about making hi? A linebacker is that he has defensive back-like speed. Last week was a painful reminder that we are NOT fast enough at LB nor Safety. Constantly getting burned by underneath crossing patterns.

We're fast enough at LBer. Just not good enough at LBer. We definately have sideline to sideline speed. But we use Hali for an ever down pass rusher. He would struggle to cover a TE anyway. He's definately not fast. But as a group overal we are pretty fast.

This guy definately fits the bill though as far as the type of LBer we could use on this team. Especially if he was double teamed and got over 20 sacks as they say.

If they project him in the second round though, there must be a part of his game that isnt tight.

Frankie · 01-14-2011, 11:54 AM

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Good first post, cool!!! Welcome to Chiefs Planet

You forgot to say, "... Now eat shit and die, n00b!" This is the Chiefs Planet, man.

(Sorry californ. Just joking. Welcome aboard.)

eazyb81 · 01-14-2011, 12:06 PM

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Pretty damn fast. But the two questions I wonder are: 1) what is his 3-cone; 2) is he anything more than Hali's replacement? Because we probably don't want a speed guy coming off the left side. On that side of the ball, we need strength a lot more than we need speed.

Yep, especially for the system Crennel runs that emphasizes larger LBs that are stout at the point of attack.

suzzer99 · 01-14-2011, 01:18 PM

I'm starting to wonder if Crennel's system doesn't rely heavily on a stellar offense to keep the pressure off the defense. Whatever SD, Pit and Balt are doing - I'd like to go with that as much as possible.

**Bowser** · 01-14-2011, 01:19 PM

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-14-2011, 01:21 PM

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Yep, especially for the system Crennel runs that emphasizes larger LBs that are stout at the point of attack.

Which is why it's pretty fortunate that we fell ass over teakettle into Hali becoming an elite edge rushing OLB, because no one from the Belichick tree has run that system and ever drafted an edge rusher who was worth a damn.

Parcells hit with McGinest and Ware, but BB has mixed and matched his OLBs, or looked to FA with varying success.

**Tribal Warfare** · 01-14-2011, 02:05 PM

Bullet Bob Hayes way back when would still smoke him. I bet he never ran a sub 9.0 in the 100 meters like Bob did

ChiefaRoo · 01-14-2011, 02:07 PM

I heard this Moch kid ran down a Cheetah, bitch slapped it and then took it's freshly killed Gazelle.

milkman · 01-14-2011, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Bullet Bob Hayes way back when would still smoke him. I bet he never ran a sub 9.0 in the 100 meters like Bob did

Chief Chief · 01-14-2011, 02:44 PM

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I heard this Moch kid ran down a Cheetah, bitch slapped it and then took it's freshly killed Gazelle.

What was Josh McDaniels doing with a dead gazelle in the first place?

bowener · 01-14-2011, 05:22 PM

If this kid drops 10 pounds do you think it would make him faster? I realize he probably can't cover for shit, but have him drop his weight to 235, and play one fast ****ing blitzing safety.

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What kind of sucks about the Raiders trading away their 1st round pick is that they won't be able to draft this LBer in the 1st, and instead use their 2nd on him, and save themselves some money and some embarrassment.

Mi_chief_fan · 01-14-2011, 07:26 PM

"I think Deon Sanders clocked close to 4.2 or something."

Wow, he's nearly as fast as Deion Sanders.

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