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Old 02-08-2011, 09:38 PM  
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Neil Smith in Springfield this Saturday
At Bair's Sports Bar and Grill on the corner of Primrose and Campbell (where Wheat State Pizza used to be). He will be signing autographs starting at 2:00pm.
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Old 02-13-2011, 10:21 AM   #61
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The draft is a crap shoot, George.

If you hit on 33% of your 1st round picks, then you are hitting at just about the average.
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Old 02-13-2011, 10:25 AM   #62
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The harsh reality is, a player's career is measured by how much they contribute to winning championships. Milkie, you ought to go work for the Chiefs. They don't seem to measure greatness by winning either.

Nitschke was a champion, as was Namath and Dawson.
Taylor and Swann were both Champions, but Swann more so.
You are making an entirely different argument.

Are you telling me that Albert Lewis wasn't a great player?

How about Deron Cherry?

I'm not going to rely on some arbitrary political voting process by a select few with an agenda to determine indiviual excellence.

Are you going to tell me that Chris Hanberger actually belongs in the HoF?
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Old 02-13-2011, 10:38 AM   #63
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You are making an entirely different argument.

Are you telling me that Albert Lewis wasn't a great player?

How about Deron Cherry?

I'm not going to rely on some arbitrary political voting process by a select few with an agenda to determine indiviual excellence.

Are you going to tell me that Chris Hanberger actually belongs in the HoF?
Albert Lewis and Deron Cherry were good players. So far, according to the jury of sportswriters who nominate players for the HOF, they were not among the greatest. Part of that may be because they didn't make enough of a difference to get their teams to a championship game. Lewis never made it with either the Chiefs or Raiders. Chris Hanburger played in the Super Bowl. He helped his team become NFC champions.

I guess we should tell Dawson, Bell, Lanier and the rest of the Canton Enshrined Chiefs that being chosen for the HOF really means squat. It's all just politics.
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Old 02-13-2011, 10:43 AM   #64
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Albert Lewis and Deron Cherry were good players. So far, according to the jury of sportswriters who nominate players for the HOF, they were not among the greatest. Part of that may be because they didn't make enough of a difference to get their teams to a championship game. Lewis never made it with either the Chiefs or Raiders. Chris Hanburger played in the Super Bowl. He helped his team become NFC champions.

I guess we should tell Dawson, Bell, Lanier and the rest of the Canton Enshrined Chiefs that being chosen for the HOF really means squat. It's all just politics.
Quite frankly, I don't believe that Dawson does belong in the HoF.

He was a very good QB, but as I said earlier, he wasn't as good as John Hadl.

He, and the Chiefs, won the SB because of a great defense that should be considered among the top 5 all time.

I don't need others to tell me when a player is great.

I can see it with my own eyes.

The Hall can be used as a measuring stick, but it should not be the only measuring stick.
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Dawson belongs. He was an essential figure in the success of the AFL. And when he retired, was among the all time leaders in many offensive QB categories including total yardage and completion percentage. The league going up to a 16-game season has skewed many of the passing stats from years past. But if you judge a player in the time that he played, Dawson was among the best. So was Otis Taylor. His exclusion from the HOF is a crime. They'll probably go Buck O'Neil on him and elect him after he dies.

But let's go back to the original reason for this thread.

Neil Smith is a traitorous, Bronco Scumbag.

Can we at least agree on that?
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Dawson belongs. He was an essential figure in the success of the AFL. And when he retired, was among the all time leaders in many offensive QB categories including total yardage and completion percentage. The league going up to a 16-game season has skewed many of the passing stats from years past. But if you judge a player in the time that he played, Dawson was among the best. So was Otis Taylor. His exclusion from the HOF is a crime. They'll probably go Buck O'Neil on him and elect him after he dies.

But let's go back to the original reason for this thread.

Neil Smith is a traitorous, Bronco Scumbag.

Can we at least agree on that?
I respect your knowledge George, and have enjoyed the debate, and yes, we can agree that Smith is a traitorous, Donkey scumbag.
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Quite frankly, I don't believe that Dawson does belong in the HoF.
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