2013 Chiefs QBOTF Watch

[chiefzilla1501]

Update
Anyone I'm forgetting?

Underclassman watch
The way Murray is playing, I think he can and will declare. I would imagine he'd declare if he knew he could be a #1 pick. And I think he could absolutely be a #1 pick over Barkley or Smith.

I know some people are high on Logan Thomas as a potential non top 10 pick. I'm not. I don't like QB converts. Doubt he declares and even when he does, not a real big fan of him.

Already in conversation
Geno Smith's stock is rising - could be a consensus #1 pick, which might go to the Browns. Barkley's stock is falling and this will be very interesting to monitor. He won't drop as Clausen did, but I could easily see him drop significantly. Landry Jones' stock is plummeting too. Tyler Wilson's stock is dropping some. I think the season could be shaping up where the Chiefs can take a stock dropper like Barkley or Wilson either without moving or making a pretty unaggressive trade up.

Sleepers
EJ Manuel is having a terrific season. Very talented QB, but can he run an NFL offense? Doubtful, but it's not a bad gamble depending on where his value ends up.

Tajh Boyd. This might be a guy to keep an eye on. Again, anything but a top shelf prospect, but a guy with some potential upside.

Ryan Nassib - not a franchise guy, but why not look at him to compete with Stanzi for QB depth


Out of contention
Tyler Bray seems to be playing his way out of serious draft pick contention. I don't think he has the mental toughness you'd want in a QB late in the game. He's obviously got a lot of work to do. I can't imagine he declares this year and, if he does, he's probably going to drop.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Heart of a cowardly lion? The guy has won three bowl games, including a BCS, a conference championship and owns nearly every Sooner passing record.



Holy hell...did you really just type that? Clausen's skill set wasn't good. It's why I hated the guy.



You don't take a chance. You get the guy who you know fits the system and can take the team to that next level. Jones' skill set and physical attributes are damn near ideal for the offense that Daboll runs and he's not a Cassel clone. This guy has been pimped as a legit first rounder for two years now. Cassel was a seventh round pick for a reason. Jones has superb mechanics, a nice arm, is athletic, etc.

You may not like him because you think he's a "cowardly lion" (which I have no idea what that means, so you'll have to extrapolate a bit on that concept for me), but the guy has all the tools you look for in a NFL QB.



When you gamble, more often than not, you lose. It's why they can continue to build billion dollar hotels in the middle of the Nevada desert. You don't take a guy at a position just to take the position. How would you like Jimmy Clausen as your current Chiefs QB? There were a shit ton of idiots around here that were perfectly happy taking that gamble.

Your analogy is incorrect. You call drafting the wrong QB a "gamble." It's not a gamble, because the stakes for not gambling at all are worse. I love the Eric Berry pick, but a Safety isn't going to resurrect a team with no QB.

As for Landry Jones, he's inconsistent and he is a mess when the pocket collapses. It took him 4 years to really get the hint that he needs to be more disciplined about his conditioning and training -- I don't want a QB that needs to be pushed to do those things. And I don't want a QB who has to be taken out of red zone situations.

[Saccopoo]

[QUOTE=milkman;8891093]

I've been defending Jovan Belcher here for 3 years.

I know you have. We clash a bit on some issues, but you do know your football. You are able to look a little more deeply into a guy's performance than a lot of people around here and give a pretty objective analysis on it.

I never liked Clausen.

See above.

Landry Jones is a QB, like Matt Cassel, who needs players around him to raise his level of play.

I want a QB who raises the level of play around him.

The thing is, it's hard to fully establish that type of concept in a college system. Take a look at two Matt's: Leinart versus Stafford. Stafford never really excelled at Georgia despite a good offense and his immense talents. Leinart was the epitome of success at the college level but now seems to be a product of a system versus being a guy who can inspire and lead a team.

Jones is a solid person, already married, is a consummate team player in terms of his interaction with other players and coaches (as far as I can ascertain in reading about him), etc. And he's got all the tools, especially when you consider this system.

Personally, I think that he and Smith and Barkley and Wilson are all pretty much interchangable in terms of what they bring to the game. All are very solid QB prospects who would work well for this team. I like the four seniors (five if you count Mike Glennon of NC State, who I also think is a very good QB prospect, though not as polished as those first four) better than the three prospective first round juniors.

I just don't get the "Jones is horrible" stuff being bandied about here. He's not. He's a really good QB prospect and if you look at what he's asked to do in the system, especially looking back to what Bradford did in the system, I think that a lot of what people see as negatives in his game are actually things inherent in the OU offensive system. But then, that's asking people to be a bit more analytical and objective than what they are capable of.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

You said no one called him a qbotf, then said you were includes in the group that called him a qbotf.


Drinking this morning?
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I said pretty clearly that Clausen was viewed widely as "worth the gamble as a POTENTIAL QBOTF" vs. Luck/RGIII which were widely viewed as pretty surefire QBOTFs.

I don't remember anyone touting Clausen like he would be the next Peyton Manning or Aaron Rodgers.

[qabbaan]

Cassel will be our QB next year. Sorry

[rico]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The reason I'm opening up this conversation is that I don't think we have to "suck" on purpose to get a good QB. Last year, it was all in for RGIII and Andrew Luck. I'm sorry, but Tannehill is NOT a guy I want to drain a top 10 pick on. I think you'll find by year end a lot of QBs who are equal or better to Tannehill. Even if the Chiefs end up in the top 25, I think they could potentially stay put and get a decent QB prospect or trade up fairly unaggressively to get a good QB prospect.

This....this....this.

Tannehill sucks... by reaching on Tannehill, Miami potentially could have just "given in" to their demanding, QBOTF-impatient fanbase who were receiving national media attention for wanting a QBOTF so badly..

Tannehill....the randomly ordained #3 QB prospect after Barkley didn't declare for draft. I was so sick of hearing about him and I am eager to watch him fail.

Bray and Smith are the prospects who intrigue me the most. Even moreso than Barkley.

[milkman]

[quote=Saccopoo;8891244]

Originally Posted by milkman

I know you have. We clash a bit on some issues, but you do know your football. You are able to look a little more deeply into a guy's performance than a lot of people around here and give a pretty objective analysis on it.



See above.




The thing is, it's hard to fully establish that type of concept in a college system. Take a look at two Matt's: Leinart versus Stafford. Stafford never really excelled at Georgia despite a good offense and his immense talents. Leinart was the epitome of success at the college level but now seems to be a product of a system versus being a guy who can inspire and lead a team.

Jones is a solid person, already married, is a consummate team player in terms of his interaction with other players and coaches (as far as I can ascertain in reading about him), etc. And he's got all the tools, especially when you consider this system.

Personally, I think that he and Smith and Barkley and Wilson are all pretty much interchangable in terms of what they bring to the game. All are very solid QB prospects who would work well for this team. I like the four seniors (five if you count Mike Glennon of NC State, who I also think is a very good QB prospect, though not as polished as those first four) better than the three prospective first round juniors.

I just don't get the "Jones is horrible" stuff being bandied about here. He's not. He's a really good QB prospect and if you look at what he's asked to do in the system, especially looking back to what Bradford did in the system, I think that a lot of what people see as negatives in his game are actually things inherent in the OU offensive system. But then, that's asking people to be a bit more analytical and objective than what they are capable of.

When I watch Jones, I don't see a leader that inspires.

I thought that Bradford was a QB who would excel in the right system in the NFL.

I don't see that with Jones.

When a QB's performance drops as dramatically Jones did because of the loss of one guy, even if that guy is his #1 weapon, that raises a red flag.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

You said no one called him a qbotf, then said you were includes in the group that called him a qbotf.


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By the way, for the record, I was an avid supporter of Clausen. While I think it's way too soon to judge his career, I also am fine owning up to the fact that he's become more of a longshot. But I don't think it's bad to lose on a gamble at QB because it's better than not gambling at all.

And I still stand by the point that while Clausen was widely hyped as a pick we needed to make, it was largely because people believed we needed to take a chance on a QB. Not because he was any surefire QBOTF. And yes, I was a supporter of Clausen and not of Tannehill's. I get that that prediction may not look good today, but I'll own up to it.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

1. To the front office, yes. To any knowledgeable football mind, the Chiefs should draft a QB no matter what. Especially since any Chiefs' success will likely be due to the successes of our running game and defense, not the QB.

2. I disagree. Barkley is a good QB, but he's no Andrew Luck. Murray and Bray could declare because they could catapult Barkley. If either of these guys project to be top 5 picks, and I think that's a very distinct possibility, then there's no reason for them to stay another year.

3. I disagree. I think there is quite a bit more stability at the QB position and unlike last year, I don't think there's going to be a desperation grab that it's either the top 2 guys, or the 3rd guy we're "meh" about, and then... "oh shit, who now?"

I will wait and see on that one. What if Palmer bombs? How about Ponder? Gabbert? Freeman? Sanchez? Buffalo could be looking at QB as could AZ as could Houston if Schaub gets injured again. Alex Smith could have a bad season and could force SF to look at a QB. Anything can happen and to believe there is more stability at the QB position this year than last is a stretch.

[DeezNutz]

I believe that Murray has the skill set to become a very good NFL QB. Probably not elite, but he might be in that next tier of guys.

If Pioli is too stubborn/scared/whatever to pull the trigger on a QB in the first, Murray in the second would be an OK consolation prize.

[chiefzilla1501]

Update
Anyone I'm forgetting?

Underclassman watch
The way Murray is playing, I think he can and will declare. I would imagine he'd declare if he knew he could be a #1 pick. And I think he could absolutely be a #1 pick over Barkley or Smith.

I know some people are high on Logan Thomas as a potential non top 10 pick. I'm not. I don't like QB converts. Doubt he declares and even when he does, not a real big fan of him.

Already in conversation
Geno Smith's stock is rising - could be a consensus #1 pick, which might go to the Browns. Barkley's stock is falling and this will be very interesting to monitor. He won't drop as Clausen did, but I could easily see him drop significantly. Landry Jones' stock is plummeting too. Tyler Wilson's stock is dropping some. I think the season could be shaping up where the Chiefs can take a stock dropper like Barkley or Wilson either without moving or making a pretty unaggressive trade up.

Sleepers
EJ Manuel is having a terrific season. Very talented QB, but can he run an NFL offense? Doubtful, but it's not a bad gamble depending on where his value ends up.

Tajh Boyd. This might be a guy to keep an eye on. Again, anything but a top shelf prospect, but a guy with some potential upside.

Ryan Nassib - not a franchise guy, but why not look at him to compete with Stanzi for QB depth


Out of contention
Tyler Bray seems to be playing his way out of serious draft pick contention. I don't think he has the mental toughness you'd want in a QB late in the game. He's obviously got a lot of work to do. I can't imagine he declares this year and, if he does, he's probably going to drop.

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