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OCinBuffalo · 09-17-2012, 02:43 PM

Hey all. I have a couple questions, but first I also have a couple of... clarifications?...that explain why I am asking the questions.

1. The general consensus in Buffalo is that the Jets game was an aberration. We were never going to be as bad as that game. It will be interesting to see how long it takes for the clowns at ESPN to cop to this, because they know it. Think of it this way: at least in KC you don't have to deal with media that are blatant fans of the Jets and Pats, yet massively insecure about the Bills = boogie men of their childhood, running around pretending they are objective. Oh yeah...we have Berman....

But at least you are going to get a fair shake from ESPN...because Chris Mortenson wasn't best buddies with the GM(Tom Donahoe) you, rightfully, fired.

2. As you now know...judging us based on the Jets game is reeruned. To be fair, I have no better standard to judge the Bills by...certainly not the Chiefs game(great googly moogly indeed)

However, the Jets game was a comedy of our errors. But, unless you paid attention to our online radio/message boards, you'd have no way of knowing this. The Jets themselves had little to do with winning that game...and this will become obvious to you in a few weeks.

3. Well you might have known: ask David Decastro(Steelers, our 3rd preseason game) what he thinks about the Bills D line. Ask Big Ben. Wait...don't. According to Ben, it was our turf that blew Decastro back 5 yards into him, not Dareus...and not their RT, who was being blown back by Williams, falling on Decastro's knee = IR.

Given that, and what I've read here over the last week...

1. Do you buy into this "Pats* way" thing?

2. Do you think that, when they won SBs, Belechick was living off of Parcells drafts and getting lucky with Brady? (or do you believe that drafting a HOF Qb in the 6th round was intentional, and just another example of the "genius of the way"?)

3. The reason I ask 1-2, is because Belechik hasn't had a good draft...since Pioli left. (We'll see about this year...but so far? Losing to the Cards, with Kolb as QB?) That's right, check out the last 5 Belechick drafts. Most of them have been D oriented...and they have all been high round bustfests. (Btw, how's that Spiller pick at #5 looking now? But...but...but...we didn't draft the way the Pats do, and took a RB high, so it must be bad, right ESPN?

) Therefore, do you think that the "Pats* way" = The Emporer's New Clothes, or, it is just that the "Pats* way" has been poorly executed in the last few years?

The thing that boggles us...is that from our perspective...Pioli was/is the difference, and he's the reason the Pats* were good. But, you spend 5 minutes on this site, and you see a very different story. I had no idea that Pioli was a big fan of the NSA, and that Whaley thought his phone was tapped.

WTF is all this? I don't even know what to think about it. It's obvious why a guy like Chan Gailey wouldn't fit into this organization. He's too nice, sure, but more importantly, he's far too straightforward.

Not only that...but you have had Weiss, and have Crennel...the other parts of the "Pats* way" and it hasn't done much.

Perhaps the sum of the parts is the only "way", and that by themselves they are awful?

Anyway, if any of you can shed some light on this, I would appreciate it.

**Tribal Warfare** · 09-17-2012, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by OCinBuffalo

2. Do you think that, when they won SBs, Belechick was living off of Parcells drafts and getting lucky with Brady? (or do you believe that drafting a HOF Qb in the 6th round was intentional, and just another example of the "genius of the way"?)

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

The Patriot Way is a farce. Always has been. The Patriot Way is Tom Brady.

This is the nuts and bolts of his Belechick's success, and if anyone tells you different then they have their rosed color glasses welded to their heads while listening the sucking off from the national media.

Hound333 · 09-17-2012, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by OCinBuffalo

Yeah, I should have been more clear:

1. "Drafting Defensive" players, rather than players in general....which is ironic, since you would think a defensive coach would be good at that.

2. When I said "were good", I should have said "were good at drafting".

3. Clearly you don't think the FA moves of the last 5 years...such as Seau, Adalius Thomas

, whatevertheF you were doing with "veteran WRs" this offseason, were any better than the drafts right? What has saved you: the ability to take the right defensive UDFAs off the street, give them something simple to do, and get them to do it well. This is of course made easier by not having to worry about your O that much.

4. Look as far as anyone who wasn't a Pats fan was concerned, we had a very reasonable expectation that Cassel would be good, if you paid attention to ESPN. WTF else were we supposed to think? It seems like Cassel can make the throws. He did against our 2nd teamers...but our 1st team corners were largely still in there....in garbage time. But, throwing is throwing. You can do it, or you can't and Cassle has the arm to do it. Weird. I don't understand why the Chiefs didn't throw it down field more, especially since they were down so big so early...and especially since our corners are still learning. They picked on Gilmore too much...he's the good one, and hopefully now, he's been made better....Williams is the liability. You guys know this, or, at least you do now.

Because our coaches have seen Cassel throw it 20 yards over the guys head way to many times to have him do that often.

Hound333 · 09-17-2012, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by OCinBuffalo

Yeah, I should have been more clear:

1. "Drafting Defensive" players, rather than players in general....which is ironic, since you would think a defensive coach would be good at that.

2. When I said "were good", I should have said "were good at drafting".

3. Clearly you don't think the FA moves of the last 5 years...such as Seau, Adalius Thomas

, whatevertheF you were doing with "veteran WRs" this offseason, were any better than the drafts right? What has saved you: the ability to take the right defensive UDFAs off the street, give them something simple to do, and get them to do it well. This is of course made easier by not having to worry about your O that much.

4. Look as far as anyone who wasn't a Pats fan was concerned, we had a very reasonable expectation that Cassel would be good, if you paid attention to ESPN. WTF else were we supposed to think? It seems like Cassel can make the throws. He did against our 2nd teamers...but our 1st team corners were largely still in there....in garbage time. But, throwing is throwing. You can do it, or you can't and Cassle has the arm to do it. Weird. I don't understand why the Chiefs didn't throw it down field more, especially since they were down so big so early...and especially since our corners are still learning. They picked on Gilmore too much...he's the good one, and hopefully now, he's been made better....Williams is the liability. You guys know this, or, at least you do now.

Needed to address this as well. Because Cassel can only make one read and your coach was smart enough to have your best guy on our first target.

Mama Hip Rockets · 09-17-2012, 04:26 PM

The Bills suck, dude.

Pasta Little Brioni · 09-17-2012, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by KCTitus

All I saw was that had Fitzpatrick not been worse than Cassel the game would have been 56 - 17. He had a least 3 bad misses on wide open receivers that would have most certainly translated into 3 more TD drives.

The Bills, like KC, desperately need a QB.

Yep, he's a complete turd and it's an embarrasment losing that bad to a team like that.

**RealSNR** · 09-17-2012, 04:52 PM

Chiefs suck. Bills suck. Pioli sucks. Pats suck without Brady.

Answer your question?

acesn8s · 09-17-2012, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OCinBuffalo

Hey all. I have a couple questions, but first I also have a couple of... clarifications?...that explain why I am asking the questions.

1. The general consensus in Buffalo is that the Jets game was an aberration. We were never going to be as bad as that game. It will be interesting to see how long it takes for the clowns at ESPN to cop to this, because they know it. Think of it this way: at least in KC you don't have to deal with media that are blatant fans of the Jets and Pats, yet massively insecure about the Bills = boogie men of their childhood, running around pretending they are objective. Oh yeah...we have Berman....

But at least you are going to get a fair shake from ESPN...because Chris Mortenson wasn't best buddies with the GM(Tom Donahoe) you, rightfully, fired.

2. As you now know...judging us based on the Jets game is reeruned. To be fair, I have no better standard to judge the Bills by...certainly not the Chiefs game(great googly moogly indeed)

However, the Jets game was a comedy of our errors. But, unless you paid attention to our online radio/message boards, you'd have no way of knowing this. The Jets themselves had little to do with winning that game...and this will become obvious to you in a few weeks.

3. Well you might have known: ask David Decastro(Steelers, our 3rd preseason game) what he thinks about the Bills D line. Ask Big Ben. Wait...don't. According to Ben, it was our turf that blew Decastro back 5 yards into him, not Dareus...and not their RT, who was being blown back by Williams, falling on Decastro's knee = IR.

Given that, and what I've read here over the last week...

1. Do you buy into this "Pats* way" thing?

2. Do you think that, when they won SBs, Belechick was living off of Parcells drafts and getting lucky with Brady? (or do you believe that drafting a HOF Qb in the 6th round was intentional, and just another example of the "genius of the way"?)

3. The reason I ask 1-2, is because Belechik hasn't had a good draft...since Pioli left. (We'll see about this year...but so far? Losing to the Cards, with Kolb as QB?) That's right, check out the last 5 Belechick drafts. Most of them have been D oriented...and they have all been high round bustfests. (Btw, how's that Spiller pick at #5 looking now? But...but...but...we didn't draft the way the Pats do, and took a RB high, so it must be bad, right ESPN?

) Therefore, do you think that the "Pats* way" = The Emporer's New Clothes, or, it is just that the "Pats* way" has been poorly executed in the last few years?

The thing that boggles us...is that from our perspective...Pioli was/is the difference, and he's the reason the Pats* were good. But, you spend 5 minutes on this site, and you see a very different story. I had no idea that Pioli was a big fan of the NSA, and that Whaley thought his phone was tapped.

WTF is all this? I don't even know what to think about it. It's obvious why a guy like Chan Gailey wouldn't fit into this organization. He's too nice, sure, but more importantly, he's far too straightforward.

Not only that...but you have had Weiss, and have Crennel...the other parts of the "Pats* way" and it hasn't done much.

Perhaps the sum of the parts is the only "way", and that by themselves they are awful?

Anyway, if any of you can shed some light on this, I would appreciate it.

Have a drink of antifreeze on me, buddy.

**RealSNR** · 09-17-2012, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

Generally people on CP are very bitter about Pioli and some of the decisions he has made, especially Matt Cassel, and therefore by simple association have come to hate the Patriots and everything about them. That's on top of the general dislike for the Patriots that many NFL fans as a simple result of too many years of being very successful.

Dude, you've been posting here for HOW long? The entire Pioli regime in Kansas City at least. You've seen his hires. You've heard about the wiretapping crap. The candy wrappers. You've seen first-hand how shitty Matt Cassel is. And most of all, you've seen a man who doesn't just use his connections to his former team as a crutch, he uses his connections because THAT'S THE ONLY ****ING THING HE KNOWS IN THIS BUSINESS-- THE PATRIOTS.

So don't give me this "some of the decisions he has made" bullshit. Pioli is ****ing Matt Millen. He was touted by everybody in the NFL business as a guy you want, who will be building a championship with a team within a few seasons, and he ended up being a complete jackass. The curtain has been torn aside, revealing a fat, bald reerun sucking at the tit of old man Parcells.

By the way, I don't hate teams for their successes. I rooted for the Patriots in the Super Bowl last year. I also like the Ravens, Packers, Giants, 49ers, and a bunch of other teams that really have their shit together. Lots of people don't hate your team because you let your turnip truck guard go command our army. We hate this reeruned concept we were sold called the "Patriot Way" that just so happens to have your name attached to it. The Patriot Way never existed, and even if it did, it ****ing sucks.

NJChiefsFan · 09-17-2012, 05:34 PM

I can't imagine what was said in these four pages but I would imagine a lot of it didn't help.

I didn't read your post because quite honestly I don't care but I will say this, Fitz looked really bad yesterday IMO. A good team would have made you pay for that.

OCinBuffalo · 09-17-2012, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

I can't imagine what was said in these four pages but I would imagine a lot of it didn't help.

Didn't help who? You? Actually this thread has made a lot more sense to me than most of the other threads here.

Quote:

I didn't read your post because quite honestly I don't care but I will say this, Fitz looked really bad yesterday IMO. A good team would have made you pay for that.

If you don't care, you don't post, so spare us the nonsense.

Fitz looked bad...in the 1st quarter...on the first drive...on 1 throw. Then, he looked bad on the first drive of the 3rd qtr. Other than that, he didn't look any worse than any of the other QBs I saw yesterday. He made a few nice throws, and didn't turn it over. A hell of a lot of INTs were thrown yesterday...Fitz didn't throw any, but he sucks? WTF?

Now, since I just noticed you are in Jersey...who's better? Sanchez or Fitz? How did that:

130 minutes of real time/0 completions for Sanchez

yesterday go over with the Jet fans you work with? Not completing a single ball for 2+ hours?

And you guys think Cassle sucks? The only real difference between Mark Sanchez and Matt Cassle? Cassle doesn't have nearly all of ESPN etc. psychologically committed to him being good.

Think about that for a sec. You know I'm right, don't you?

In that you should consider yourselves lucky: at least you don't have Lonesome ESPN Rhodes and his applause machine being turned on for you every time you say "No, actually Matt Cassle is a good QB, it's just that he hasn't had....(insert excuse here)". You could be a Jet fan(or Bill Maher for that matter), and then you'd never know what was real.

According to the turdbots, ESPN and otherwise...one bad game for Fitz means Sanchez is better? Ridiculous. The 2 throws Fitz made to Chandler yesterday alone were as good as any you will see from anybody in this league. You will NOT see them from Sanchez, or Cassle.

So....WTF are you talking about?

Again, I must remember...Jersey.

**RealSNR** · 09-17-2012, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by OCinBuffalo

Fitz looked bad...in the 1st quarter...on the first drive...on 1 throw. Then, he looked bad on the first drive of the 3rd qtr. Other than that, he didn't look any worse than any of the other QBs I saw yesterday. He made a few nice throws, and didn't turn it over. A hell of a lot of INTs were thrown yesterday...Fitz didn't throw any, but he sucks? WTF?

You're a fan of one of the only franchises more depressing than the Chiefs, and you're standing up for your turd of a QB in Fitzpatrick?

Yes, Fitzpatrick sucks. Like the Chiefs, the Bills have a talented enough team to surprise people occasionally. Usually, they're only good enough to go 7-9 or 8-8. They'll be in the discussion for division championship occasionally.

In order to fix that, the Bills need a real QB. Fitzpatrick is Cassel. Cassel is Fitzpatrick. Both will do nothing more than deliver false hopes on overpriced contracts and waste quality years and opportunity of some of the good players on the team.

NWTF · 09-17-2012, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

That's as stupid as slavishly saying 'patriots way only'

Brady didn't shut down the greatest show on turf

Brady didn't turn a WR into an all-pro DB on the fly

Brady didn't coach up one of the game's most clutch kickers in history.

Brady is a very nice cog in the patriots scheme, but the patriots have in a number of different ways done crucial things that others have proven unable to to gain the edge they've enjoyed.

Tuck rule included

Caseyguyrr · 09-17-2012, 07:09 PM

quit reading after the title

**Buehler445** · 09-17-2012, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

The Patriot Way is a farce. Always has been. The Patriot Way is Tom Brady.

This.

And why the **** are you watching ESPN? Stop watching ESPN. Life will be better.

Romeo's Pants · 09-17-2012, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OCinBuffalo

Hey all. I have a couple questions, but first I also have a couple of... clarifications?...that explain why I am asking the questions.

1. The general consensus in Buffalo is that the Jets game was an aberration. We were never going to be as bad as that game. It will be interesting to see how long it takes for the clowns at ESPN to cop to this, because they know it. Think of it this way: at least in KC you don't have to deal with media that are blatant fans of the Jets and Pats, yet massively insecure about the Bills = boogie men of their childhood, running around pretending they are objective. Oh yeah...we have Berman....

But at least you are going to get a fair shake from ESPN...because Chris Mortenson wasn't best buddies with the GM(Tom Donahoe) you, rightfully, fired.

2. As you now know...judging us based on the Jets game is reeruned. To be fair, I have no better standard to judge the Bills by...certainly not the Chiefs game(great googly moogly indeed)

However, the Jets game was a comedy of our errors. But, unless you paid attention to our online radio/message boards, you'd have no way of knowing this. The Jets themselves had little to do with winning that game...and this will become obvious to you in a few weeks.

3. Well you might have known: ask David Decastro(Steelers, our 3rd preseason game) what he thinks about the Bills D line. Ask Big Ben. Wait...don't. According to Ben, it was our turf that blew Decastro back 5 yards into him, not Dareus...and not their RT, who was being blown back by Williams, falling on Decastro's knee = IR.

Given that, and what I've read here over the last week...

1. Do you buy into this "Pats* way" thing?

2. Do you think that, when they won SBs, Belechick was living off of Parcells drafts and getting lucky with Brady? (or do you believe that drafting a HOF Qb in the 6th round was intentional, and just another example of the "genius of the way"?)

3. The reason I ask 1-2, is because Belechik hasn't had a good draft...since Pioli left. (We'll see about this year...but so far? Losing to the Cards, with Kolb as QB?) That's right, check out the last 5 Belechick drafts. Most of them have been D oriented...and they have all been high round bustfests. (Btw, how's that Spiller pick at #5 looking now? But...but...but...we didn't draft the way the Pats do, and took a RB high, so it must be bad, right ESPN?

) Therefore, do you think that the "Pats* way" = The Emporer's New Clothes, or, it is just that the "Pats* way" has been poorly executed in the last few years?

The thing that boggles us...is that from our perspective...Pioli was/is the difference, and he's the reason the Pats* were good. But, you spend 5 minutes on this site, and you see a very different story. I had no idea that Pioli was a big fan of the NSA, and that Whaley thought his phone was tapped.

WTF is all this? I don't even know what to think about it. It's obvious why a guy like Chan Gailey wouldn't fit into this organization. He's too nice, sure, but more importantly, he's far too straightforward.

Not only that...but you have had Weiss, and have Crennel...the other parts of the "Pats* way" and it hasn't done much.

Perhaps the sum of the parts is the only "way", and that by themselves they are awful?

Anyway, if any of you can shed some light on this, I would appreciate it.

TL;DR

(insert vague suggestion about the OP taking a big whiff of some AIDS-scented candles, etc.)

09-17-2012, 02:43 PM
OCinBuffalo Starter Join Date: Sep 2011 Casino cash: $10004970	Serious, non-trolling, questions from a Bills fan Hey all. I have a couple questions, but first I also have a couple of... clarifications?...that explain why I am asking the questions. 1. The general consensus in Buffalo is that the Jets game was an aberration. We were never going to be as bad as that game. It will be interesting to see how long it takes for the clowns at ESPN to cop to this, because they know it. Think of it this way: at least in KC you don't have to deal with media that are blatant fans of the Jets and Pats, yet massively insecure about the Bills = boogie men of their childhood, running around pretending they are objective. Oh yeah...we have Berman.... But at least you are going to get a fair shake from ESPN...because Chris Mortenson wasn't best buddies with the GM(Tom Donahoe) you, rightfully, fired. 2. As you now know...judging us based on the Jets game is reeruned. To be fair, I have no better standard to judge the Bills by...certainly not the Chiefs game(great googly moogly indeed) However, the Jets game was a comedy of our errors. But, unless you paid attention to our online radio/message boards, you'd have no way of knowing this. The Jets themselves had little to do with winning that game...and this will become obvious to you in a few weeks. 3. Well you might have known: ask David Decastro(Steelers, our 3rd preseason game) what he thinks about the Bills D line. Ask Big Ben. Wait...don't. According to Ben, it was our turf that blew Decastro back 5 yards into him, not Dareus...and not their RT, who was being blown back by Williams, falling on Decastro's knee = IR. Given that, and what I've read here over the last week... 1. Do you buy into this "Pats* way" thing? 2. Do you think that, when they won SBs, Belechick was living off of Parcells drafts and getting lucky with Brady? (or do you believe that drafting a HOF Qb in the 6th round was intentional, and just another example of the "genius of the way"?) 3. The reason I ask 1-2, is because Belechik hasn't had a good draft...since Pioli left. (We'll see about this year...but so far? Losing to the Cards, with Kolb as QB?) That's right, check out the last 5 Belechick drafts. Most of them have been D oriented...and they have all been high round bustfests. (Btw, how's that Spiller pick at #5 looking now? But...but...but...we didn't draft the way the Pats do, and took a RB high, so it must be bad, right ESPN? ) Therefore, do you think that the "Pats* way" = The Emporer's New Clothes, or, it is just that the "Pats* way" has been poorly executed in the last few years? The thing that boggles us...is that from our perspective...Pioli was/is the difference, and he's the reason the Pats* were good. But, you spend 5 minutes on this site, and you see a very different story. I had no idea that Pioli was a big fan of the NSA, and that Whaley thought his phone was tapped. WTF is all this? I don't even know what to think about it. It's obvious why a guy like Chan Gailey wouldn't fit into this organization. He's too nice, sure, but more importantly, he's far too straightforward. Not only that...but you have had Weiss, and have Crennel...the other parts of the "Pats* way" and it hasn't done much. Perhaps the sum of the parts is the only "way", and that by themselves they are awful? Anyway, if any of you can shed some light on this, I would appreciate it.
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