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Old 06-23-2013, 03:43 PM  
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Old 06-23-2013, 08:23 PM   #136
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You made the trade with intentions of winning. If you don't win then it's a failure. Myers will be evaluated in a couple years because he's a top young prospect he'll take time to develop. You only got Shields for 2 years, so if in 2 years you don't make the playoffs and finish in 3rd or 4th place then yes it's a failure.
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Old 06-23-2013, 08:24 PM   #137
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Old 06-23-2013, 08:28 PM   #138
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you haven't been to the playoffs since '85 and last winning season was '03 with 83 wins. **** off douche
Hell, the White Sox lasting image is 2 meth-head white trash morons running on the field and assaulting some 80 year old first base coach ohh and the fact the 2 got their asses kicked by Neifi Perez is just hilarious, by the way the pussy White Sox players stood there scared.
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Old 06-23-2013, 08:35 PM   #139
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Hell, the White Sox lasting image is 2 meth-head white trash morons running on the field and assaulting some 80 year old first base coach ohh and the fact the 2 got their asses kicked by Neifi Perez is just hilarious, by the way the pussy White Sox players stood there scared.
Ya, 2 idiotic fans are enough to lump all the Sox fans into one category. Kinda like those fans "booing" Cassels injury is enough to lump us in one category right? **** off

I beg to differ. Our lasting image is
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Old 06-23-2013, 08:36 PM   #140
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Hell, the White Sox lasting image is 2 meth-head white trash morons running on the field and assaulting some 80 year old first base coach ohh and the fact the 2 got their asses kicked by Neifi Perez is just hilarious, by the way the pussy White Sox players stood there scared.
I'm pretty sure they were just in awe over it. Easy to say they stood there scared. You don't know what they were thinking.
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Old 06-23-2013, 08:38 PM   #141
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Old 06-23-2013, 08:53 PM   #142
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You made the trade with intentions of winning. If you don't win then it's a failure. Myers will be evaluated in a couple years because he's a top young prospect he'll take time to develop. You only got Shields for 2 years, so if in 2 years you don't make the playoffs and finish in 3rd or 4th place then yes it's a failure.
You do the trade because prospects are just that, prospects. You had other young prospects who you hoped would be producing NOW (they aren't), so you go out and get an ace to win in 1-2 years. I don't see how anyone can't see prospects as anything more than a gamble and a huge gamble at that. Look at the "can't miss prospects" who have bombed or at least not lived up to the hype. If Myers becomes a stud in 4 years, who knows what the rest of you roster will be like by that time. We are small market, we can't just bring in players fill out a roster every year. And if Myers turns into a stud, the percentages that he would be average or bust were much higher....see 2013 KC Royals.

And as of now, you surely can't evaluate that trade. Shields is pitching lights out. Myers in this lineup right now wouldn't mean shit to us winning and it wouldn't mean shit to us winning next year either.
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Old 06-23-2013, 08:55 PM   #143
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You do the trade because prospects are just that, prospects. You had other young prospects who you hoped would be producing NOW (they aren't), so you go out and get an ace to win in 1-2 years. I don't see how anyone can't see prospects as anything more than a gamble and a huge gamble at that. Look at the "can't miss prospects" who have bombed or at least not lived up to the hype. If Myers becomes a stud in 4 years, who knows what the rest of you roster will be like by that time. We are small market, we can't just bring in players fill out a roster every year. And if Myers turns into a stud, the percentages that he would be average or bust were much higher....see 2013 KC Royals.

And as of now, you surely can't evaluate that trade. Shields is pitching lights out. Myers in this lineup right now wouldn't mean shit to us winning and it wouldn't mean shit to us winning next year either.
Yes I agree. I, though a Sox fan, was on the fence with the trade because your other prospects aren't producing. On the other hand, you make the trade because you get a borderline ace. I just wasn't keen on trading Myers for a pitcher you have control of for only 2 years.
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Old 06-23-2013, 09:01 PM   #144
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Yes I agree. I, though a Sox fan, was on the fence with the trade because your other prospects aren't producing. On the other hand, you make the trade because you get a borderline ace. I just wasn't keen on trading Myers for a pitcher you have control of for only 2 years.
You didn't know our current prospects wouldn't be producing at the time of the trade. You can't analyze it that way.

And having control over pitchers for long periods of time is usually a poor strategy in today's baseball, apart from the few and far between young aces.
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Old 06-23-2013, 09:18 PM   #145
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You didn't know our current prospects wouldn't be producing at the time of the trade. You can't analyze it that way.

And having control over pitchers for long periods of time is usually a poor strategy in today's baseball, apart from the few and far between young aces.
When you say Prospects do you mean Hosmer and Moustakas ? If so why cant you analyze it?

2012 Hosmer .232 Avg .304 OBP .359SLG 14HR 60 RBI 124 Hits 152 games played.

2012 Moustakas .242Avg .296 OBP .412 SLG 20HR 73 RBI 136 Hits 149 Games played

That's not gonna cut it in the AL for a 1st and 3rd baseman. Your GM had to know you needed O at the time of trade.
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Old 06-23-2013, 09:26 PM   #146
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You didn't know our current prospects wouldn't be producing at the time of the trade. You can't analyze it that way.

And having control over pitchers for long periods of time is usually a poor strategy in today's baseball, apart from the few and far between young aces.
I would add that locking up frontline starters isn't something we can afford even if we wanted to. It's a big reason Tampa even traded him in the first place, and will likely trade Price
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