Let's have a conversation about the job John Dorsey has done thus far.

[BossChief]

In his first year, he drafted a bunch of guys that got hurt and showed nothing as rookies, but luckily he didn't need them because a bunch of guys stepped up. 3 of those players have been quite good in year 2...so far anyway.

Fisher
Davis
Kelce

All 3 have the ability to be good starters and that's an above average draft class if we are being objective.

Commings
Kush
Johnson
Catapano

These guys are all wild cards that can really tip the strength of the overall draft class. I think Kush has the ability to be a solid starter, myself. Who knows about Catapano.

Giving up so much for Alex Smith, but I'll reserve judgement until I see how he performs this year. If he plays well, I think the compensation was decent and also strengthens the overall draft class.

As it sits right now, I have a hard time grading the 2013 draft class lower than a solid B...with a chance to be a B+ or A- as the year goes on and more info is available.

Everybody was thrilled with free agency last year, but the contracts given to these guys were just silly. Especially to Colquitt, Daniel and Fasano. Those contracts are gonna prohibit us from locking up Berry or Houston long term. Watch. We all knew KC would need to overpay to bring free agents in to a bad team in an undesirable market...that's what happened.

The deal for Devito was ok (can't count the Achilles against the signing) but overall free agency can't get graded higher than a D+\C-. Maybe lower.

I don't think it would be fair to judge the 2014 draft class in any way with us only 2 games in, so I won't even touch on it.

Moving on to the 2014 free agent class...

Letting 3 starting quality offensive linemen walk is a tough pill to swallow...especially when the OL looks (early on at least) to be a real weakness on the team. Simply unacceptable. It sucks that we didn't target guys like TJ Ward or got things finalized with Sanders cause those would have helped us BIG TIME. And for similar money we gave to guys like Daniel and Fasano. Very frustrating. Replacing Tyson Jackson with Walker seems like an upgrade and signing Vickerson was solid as well. No way should they have paid Dexter what he got in Tennessee, so that one worked out as well. Letting Demps and Lewis walk were also solid decisions. I think I'd be hard pressed to grade this free agency period higher than a C- and if it weren't for signing Vickerson, it would be a D...at best.

IMO we missed a huge opportunity to upgrade the team here. Hopefully the reasons they have for why they did this are making sure to retain Houston and Berry long termZ if we don't, I want his head on a pike for losing either guy.

Discuss

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by MahiMike

God I wish I lived near you so I could kick the living shit out of your pansy ass!

Seriously, you have simply ruined this board.

Mods? Are you listening?

The Chiefs are 0-2. We're discussing how some of the players suck.

That's ruining the board?

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by MahiMike

God I wish I lived near you so I could kick the living shit out of your pansy ass!

Seriously, you have simply ruined this board.

Mods? Are you listening?

He trolls every thread. The mods let him.

Old news.

[mcaj22]

I don't like Dorsey, here are my reasons by year

2013:
-5 million to Dunta Robinson = Awful reaction move
-Contracts to Sean Smith, Devito, Fasano, Avery, Bowe, Colquitt, etc
-Drafted to replace departing contracts rather than to upgrade the team. He could have upgrade by drafting Sheldon Richardson, Star Lotulelei, pretty much anyone that had clear talent rather than filled a hole.
-Two 2nd round picks for Alex Smith.

2014:
-Punked by Emmanuel Sanders and a division rival in FA
-Marquee signing is of the offseason is Vance Walker who has 1 sack on the year, didn't even play/get any run in the Denver game. Has yet to make any sort of impact or help this team in any way.
-Let a lot of average NFL players walk, managed to replace all them with below average or poor players.
-Continues to draft to replace contracts/departing veterans.
-All his players are based on hope and hype and not actual production, similar to Piolis picks. "Well if this guy pans out...."
-Rookie contracts are 4 years and the Chiefs are still using an outdated approach of developing and hoping guys can produce in year 3 of their 4 year deal. Which makes no ****ing sense whatsoever in this era of the NFL. You need guys that can help from day 1, and we continue to not draft any.
-Has yet to keep a homegrown Chiefs player on their 2nd contract (this may change with Houston or Berry, but he has yet to do it and faces a lot of these decisions in the future, how Dorsey handles them will determine his fate IMO.)
-70 million to Alex Smith. He could have let him play out the year and took that gamble, basically a reverse Joe Flacco, cause if the team played poor (and it was obvious they were gonna) Dorsey could have reset the whole thing, and fans would have praised him for it.


I don't hate Alex Smith, but Alex Smith's situation here verses what Dorsey is doing with the rest of the roster are contradicting moves that go against each other. And because of that I don't like how the roster around Smith is being built, or Alex Smith being used on a young rebuilding roster. It just makes NO sense either way, and that probably falls more on John Dorsey than it does Alex as a player. He doesn't need to be here, he needs a veteran team, we don't have that here. It's that simple.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Bewbies

I wonder if Fisher will end up being bashed by the Sacc wannabee's of the world just like Albert was?

still carrying the torch for Albert


Have you purchased his Dolphin jersey yet?

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by MahiMike

God I wish I lived near you so I could kick the living shit out of your pansy ass!

Seriously, you have simply ruined this board.

Mods? Are you listening?

Goatboy has convinced the Mods that he spurs debate ala Skip Bayless.

Either that or he sucks a mean mod dick ... maybe both.


The more people hate him the better he likes it.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

I don't like Dorsey, here are my reasons by year

2013:
-5 million to Dunta Robinson = Awful reaction move
-Contracts to Sean Smith, Devito, Fasano, Avery, Bowe, Colquitt, etc
-Drafted to replace departing contracts rather than to upgrade the team. He could have upgrade by drafting Sheldon Richardson, Star Lotulelei, pretty much anyone that had clear talent rather than filled a hole.
-Two 2nd round picks for Alex Smith.

2014:
-Punked by Emmanuel Sanders and a division rival in FA
-Marquee signing is of the offseason is Vance Walker who has 1 sack on the year, didn't even play/get any run in the Denver game. Has yet to make any sort of impact or help this team in any way.
-Let a lot of average NFL players walk, managed to replace all them with below average or poor players.
-Continues to draft to replace contracts/departing veterans.
-All his players are based on hope and hype and not actual production, similar to Piolis picks. "Well if this guy pans out...."
-Rookie contracts are 4 years and the Chiefs are still using an outdated approach of developing and hoping guys can produce in year 3 of their 4 year deal. Which makes no ****ing sense whatsoever in this era of the NFL. You need guys that can help from day 1, and we continue to not draft any.
-Has yet to keep a homegrown Chiefs player on their 2nd contract (this may change with Houston or Berry, but he has yet to do it and faces a lot of these decisions in the future, how Dorsey handles them will determine his fate IMO.)
-70 million to Alex Smith. He could have let him play out the year and took that gamble, basically a reverse Joe Flacco, cause if the team played poor (and it was obvious they were gonna) Dorsey could have reset the whole thing, and fans would have praised him for it.


I don't hate Alex Smith, but Alex Smith's situation here verses what Dorsey is doing with the rest of the roster are contradicting moves that go against each other. And because of that I don't like how the roster around Smith is being built, or Alex Smith being used on a young rebuilding roster. It just makes NO sense either way, and that probably falls more on John Dorsey than it does Alex as a player. He doesn't need to be here, he needs a veteran team, we don't have that here. It's that simple.

Wow, while I may not agree with 100% of it... thats a very well thought out indictment.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

I don't like Dorsey, here are my reasons by year

2013:

Agreed on all points

I have a problem with your points below in 2014. Again... much of the approach is solid. It's the talent evaluation and execution that so far is the problem.

-Let a lot of average NFL players walk, managed to replace all them with below average or poor players.

They let low positional value players go. They saved a shitload of money with their replacements. I don't see a problem there. A good GM can get that done. So far, Dorsey's replacements look a little iffy.

-Continues to draft to replace contracts/departing veterans.

-All his players are based on hope and hype and not actual production, similar to Piolis picks. "Well if this guy pans out...."

Drafting Fisher to replace Albert was a terrible move. I see no problem with drafting an OLB and a CB if it was truly BPA. If Ford and Gaines pan out, I seriously have no idea why anybody would care. That is total BS in comparing Dorsey to Pioli if we look at 2014 alone. Pioli went safe every ****ing time except for Poe. I at least like that Ford and Gaines play positions that have risk / reward even if I'm not high on Ford.

-Rookie contracts are 4 years and the Chiefs are still using an outdated approach of developing and hoping guys can produce in year 3 of their 4 year deal. Which makes no ****ing sense whatsoever in this era of the NFL. You need guys that can help from day 1, and we continue to not draft any.

If you expect to do that with anything but a top 15 pick, you are building a recipe for safe picks vs. high ceiling picks. I seriously don't understand why people would rather a low ceiling safe pick in the early rounds vs. a risky pick with higher upside. For the same reason I could never understand people who wanted Terence Cody but despised Dontari Poe.

-70 million to Alex Smith. He could have let him play out the year and took that gamble, basically a reverse Joe Flacco, cause if the team played poor (and it was obvious they were gonna) Dorsey could have reset the whole thing, and fans would have praised him for it.

I don't hate Alex Smith, but Alex Smith's situation here verses what Dorsey is doing with the rest of the roster are contradicting moves that go against each other. And because of that I don't like how the roster around Smith is being built, or Alex Smith being used on a young rebuilding roster. It just makes NO sense either way, and that probably falls more on John Dorsey than it does Alex as a player. He doesn't need to be here, he needs a veteran team, we don't have that here. It's that simple.

The moves work out okay if he is excellent in the draft and they find a QBOTF to replace Smith WHILE SMITH IS HERE. There is nothing wrong with the approach. There is so far something very wrong with talent evaluation.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by MahiMike

God I wish I lived near you so I could kick the living shit out of your pansy ass!

Seriously, you have simply ruined this board.

Mods? Are you listening?

If the Chiefs drafting goal in life is to get "someday he may be a grade above serviceable" out of a 1.1 pick, then I'll gladly pay your plane ticket or bus fare to go kick their pansy asses.

[3rd Quarter 38-10]

Chiefs fans want the Chiefs to be competitive with the best teams in the league. Chiefs fans would like to see a win in a playoff game. These are reasonable expectations. Has Dorsey done anything to move the Chiefs in the direction of competing with the best teams in the league? Do the Chiefs have any chance of winning the division in the foreseeable future? If the answer is no then Dorsey hasn't done enough.

I am very pessimistic about the Chiefs. I don't think the Chiefs organization cares about winning. Their only priority is to make money. They will do just enough to keep the fans interested.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by 3rd Quarter 38-10

Chiefs fans want the Chiefs to be competitive with the best teams in the league. Chiefs fans would like to see a win in a playoff game. These are reasonable expectations. Has Dorsey done anything to move the Chiefs in the direction of competing with the best teams in the league? Do the Chiefs have any chance of winning the division in the foreseeable future? If the answer is no then Dorsey hasn't done enough.

I am very pessimistic about the Chiefs. I don't think the Chiefs organization cares about winning. Their only priority is to make money. They will do just enough to keep the fans interested.

You are the greatest n00b ever, and should be sent a Hickory Farms gift basket immediately.